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中国年轻父母追捧的雅培奶粉竟然完全不符合国际标准，也未达到中国国家标准。昨天
，第三方机构香港CERResearch公司发布报告称，其送检了从中国市场购买的六个品牌
的婴幼儿配方奶粉，检测结果均不合格，雅培样品是最差的。
□检测结果
六品牌均不合格雅培喜康宝最差
CERResearch从事中国市场的调查和研究，公司 CEO Graham Earnshaw(晏格文)昨
天接受记者采访时称，公司日前从上海和香港购买了六个品牌的婴幼儿配方奶粉，邮寄
到德国一个世界一流的专业检测食品安全的实验室进行成分检测和分析。
“目前，这些样品的检测数据都出来了，我们将这些数据提供给专家，由他们做出
判断”，晏格文表示，目前专家的态度是，检测的6个样品中，没有一个符合中国国家
标准。其中，雅培的样品被检测出是送检样品中最差的一个，完全不符合国际标准，也
未达中国新国标。
>>雅培样品问题
酪蛋白太高疑高温处理
报告指出，根据中国标准，婴幼儿配方奶粉中乳清蛋白与酪蛋白的最低比例不能低
于60%，而雅培的喜康宝一段的最终检测结果为41%，与标准相差甚远。检测结果还表明
，雅培的产品可能经过高温处理。
婴儿食用过多的酪蛋白被证实会导致肠道出血、营养不良、腹泻，并对肾脏功能造
成很大压力。报告称，法国国家农业研究协会的下属机构INRA的研究总监Dr.
DidierDupont是牛奶和鸡蛋的营养学专家，他对雅培的实验结果进行了检查，并评论说
样品中乳清蛋白对酪蛋白的比例很低，完全不符合标准，并且变性的程度很高。
>>专家
一致负面评价
美国最知名的乳品研究机构之一，威斯康星大学麦迪逊分校食品科学系的主席
ScottRankin博士称，雅培的样品在乳清蛋白/酪蛋白比例方面，不符合中国国家卫生标
准。样品可能经过超高温处理。在营养价值方面，它应当被排在送检样品中的最后一位
。
“这6个样品中，雅培样品的乳清蛋白对酪蛋白比例是最低的。”新西兰基督城奥
塔哥大学儿科系系主任兼教授AndrewSDay博士表示。
报告还引述了拒绝透露姓名的一位参与制定国家食品安全标准GB10765-2010(其中
包含婴幼儿配方奶粉标准)的专家说法称：雅培的样品没有达到国家食品安全标准。
□雅培回应
检测产品未在内地销售
昨天，雅培中国公司发布声明强调，雅培婴幼儿配方奶粉均是根据产品销售所在国
家和市场规定的产品标准而进行生产的。CER报告中提到的雅培产品并未在中国内地销
售，该被检测产品和中国国家标准有不同是不可避免的。
雅培声明还表示“严重质疑这篇报告的科学性、客观性和公平性”。
雅培指出，报告没有公布其他五个产品样本的任何相关信息或检验结果；报告中也
没有信息表明是受谁委托发布该报告的；同样重要的是，我们无法从这篇报告中找到
CER用于获得检验结果的检测方法。
“我们不会容忍任何恶意损害我们同消费者之间信任关系的行为，并将采取一切必
要的法律手段来维护公司的合法权益。”声明这样强调。
□CER反驳
雅培不符国际和中国双标准
昨天晚间，CER对雅培的声明迅速做出反驳，称CER并非科研机构，也并未就奶粉的
检测给出独立观点，检测结果由海外知名第三方实验机构得出，并由多名专家进行评价
。“为了确保报告内容的‘公平性’，我们已尽力和雅培取得联系，但遭到雅培的回绝
。”
针对雅培的受检奶粉“不是为中国内地市场而生产和销售的”，因此不必满足中国
国家标准的要求的说法，CER表示，根据检测结果和专家意见，雅培产品的样品在关键
指标上同时不符合国际标准和中国标准。
对于雅培指责未公布其他样品的数据，CER称，我们是先公布雅培的检测结果，随
后会公布其他品牌。
“我们绝对不是蓄意损坏雅培的名声，他们可以采取相关的行动，但是这个报告是
经过实验检测且是专家的决定。”晏格文表示，“对于雅培企图将注意力从产品质量这
一核心问题转移到这一不相干的事实上，我们感到很震惊。但是，为了避免任何误解的
产生，我们还是想说，本次送检的中国品牌产品里，并没有主流品牌。”CER表示。
□事件进展
产品暂未下架已举报到沪粤质监局
记者昨天在家乐福、沃尔玛、红孩子等卖场和母婴网购店发现，国内配方的雅培一
段喜康宝仍有销售，销售人员称并不知道上述调查报告结果。
CER称，已电话联系美国医药雅培公司位于香港的办公室，要求就产品质量问题与
负责质量监控的经理和其他管理人员通话。但前台接线员均以需要实名制转接为由拒绝
了联系要求。CER表示，公司应当义不容辞地接受消费者关于产品质量的任何询问，但
雅培拒绝此类请求，反映出其在中国市场上存在监管不力的问题。
“我们已于本月把测试结果及报告结论分别递交上海市和广东省的质量技术监督局
”，晏格文告诉记者，双方均确认收到测试结果和报告结论，并表示正准备对此做进一
步的调查。
记者昨天下午联系上海质监局新闻处，但一直无人接听电话；广东质监局新闻处王
先生表示，目前该局对此事在调查过程中。
□专家意见
支持该检测政府部门应介入调查
“CER抽6个品牌产品到国外进行公证检测，我非常赞同支持这个做法”，乳业专家
王丁棉对记者表示，国际上关于婴儿奶粉乳清蛋白和酪蛋白的比例推荐标准是6：4到7
：3，母乳的比例达到8：2，而我国国标却选择了国际标准中的最低值，雅培此次的抽
查比例却只有4.1：5.9，连国际标准的最低档都未达到。
王丁棉表示，至于为什么中国标准选择了国际标准的最下限，其中一个重要原因就
是，乳清蛋白成本高，要求奶源也高档。而中国的标准很多都是由企业去主导参与，标
准定得低企业就可少支出成本。
“我认为这个报告是可信的”。王丁棉表示，没有第三方检测数据是不敢乱说的，
“该事件曝光，首先雅培应该加强检测，如果严重的话，主张先下架，否则对消费者极
其不公平”，王丁棉表示，作为政府部门，也应介入此事的调查。
CER Research Report
March 22, 2012
(Download full report here)
Abbott Laboratories Similac Stage 1; A First Step Towards Malnutrition
Overview
We tested foreign providers of infant Milk Powder to China. Abbott Labs
(NYSE:ABT) tested as the worst foreign provider, well below accepted
international and Chinese standards
CER Research recently looked into the quality of foreign providers of
infant milk powder in the China market.
We sent samples of six infant formula products bought in Shanghai and
Hong Kong to a professional food testing laboratory in Germany for
analysis. We planned to use one of the brands as a benchmark for quality,
on the assumption that it would top the results. This product was Similac
Stage 1, produced by Abbott Laboratories (ABT.NYSE), bought in Hong Kong
on December 16, 2011.
To our surprise, the Abbott product tested the worst of the six samples
provided, and well below accepted international and even China standards.
China requires infant formula to have a minimum whey to casein protein
ratio of at least 60%. Abbott Similac Stage 1 failed to meet the standard
by a wide margin. The tests also showed the Abbott product to have a very
high heat treatment intensity. These are both significant negative
factors with regard to infant formula.
High intake of casein protein has been shown to cause intestinal
bleeding, malnutrition, diarrhea and kidney stress in infants.
Abbott’s total mainland China revenues for 2011 are estimated to have
been between US$0.95 billion - US$1.10 billion, based on CER Research’s
investigations.
The Research Director of INRA, the French National Institute for
Agricultural Research, specializing in milk and egg research, Dr Didier
Dupont, examined the Abbott sample test results and said that the
whey/casein ratio was below accepted standards and the level of
denaturation was “extremely high”.
“Personally, I would not give this formula to my children,” Dr Dupont
said. (Full comments and analysis below).
Dr Scott Rankin, Chair of the Food Science Department, University of
Wisconsin-Madison, one of the best known dairy research institutions in
the United States, said the Abbott sample did not meet Chinese health
standards for the key whey/casein ratio test. “It probably has the
highest degree of thermal treatment (of the samples),” said Dr Rankin,
adding that “it would rank near the lowest in terms of nutritional
value.”
Dr. Andrew S Day, Professor and Head of Pediatrics Department at the
University of Otago, Christchurch, New Zealand, commenting on the
whey/casein ratio, said: “I would agree that none of the six samples fall
within the China National Standard and Sample 3 (Abbott) is the lowest.”
A Chinese expert who participated in the drafting of the National Food
Safety Standard GB 10765-2010 which pertains to infant formula, confirmed
the Abbott sample did not meet Chinese food safety standards, but
declined to be identified due to the sensitivities surrounding infant
formula in China.
CER Research has submitted the test results and report findings to the
relevant food quality assessment government organizations in Shanghai and
Guangdong province – the Shanghai Municipal Bureau of Quality and
Technical Supervision and the Administration of Quality and Technology
Supervision of Guangdong Province. Both confirmed receipt and said they
are looking into the case.
CER Research called Abbott Laboratories Hong Kong office and asked to
speak to the quality control manager about a product quality issue and
the receptionist declined to transfer the call without a specific name
being offered. We asked to be connected to a senior manager of the
company to discuss a matter of product quality, and received the same
answer.
Abbott receptionist: “It is company policy. If you cannot give me a name
I cannot transfer.”
CER research: “But to be clear, this is with regard to an important issue
of product quality.”
Receptionist: “I have to follow company policy.”
The view of CER Research would be that a company selling milk powder and
other similar consumer products should be willing to take calls with
regard to product quality for consumers. The fact Abbott is not willing
to do so is another indication that the company has a problem in terms of
quality control in the China market.
Testing methodology
The sample of Abbott Similac Stage 1 infant formula (for 0~6 month-old
babies) was sent to the food testing laboratory Muva Kempten in Allgäu,
Germany, consider to be one of the top food testing centers in the world.
The analysis conducted included a total protein test using the Kjeidahl
method, a whey/casein ratio test using electrophoretic method, and a test
of denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin using the electrophoretic method.
The detailed results of this analysis are provided below.
The tests showed a very low level of whey/casein and a very high heat
treatment intensity, both of them significant negative factors with
regard to infant formula.
CER Research sent the sample test results to several experts around the
world for comments. We also sent the Abbott sample for tests to a second
laboratory in Australia, which confirmed the low quality results of the
Abbott product.
Laboratories that participated in the project
Muva Kempten
Website: http://www.muva.de
A laboratory in Allgäu in Germany specializing in analyzing foods
DTS Food Laboratories
Website: http://www.dairytech.com.au
Dairy Technical Services (DTS) has provided testing facilities to the
Australian Food Industry for 50 years, particularly for the Dairy
Industry.
Results of laboratory tests on Abbott Similac Stage 1
(Original lab report can be found in the appendix)
Test Abbott Intl Standard China Standard
Protein (TN*6.38) 0.52g/100KJ1 0.45g-0.7g/100KJ 0.45g-
0.70g/100KJ
Whey/casein ratio 41%:59% - 60%: 40%
Grade of denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin 93% - -
Whey Protein Nitrogen Index2 0.6mg/g ISO 11814 classification3
(see below) -
Alpha-lactalbumin / beta-lactoglobulin ratio 33%: 67% - -
1 Derived from test results by Muva Kempten. The calculation steps are as
follows:
2 Test run by DTS Food Laboratories in Australia
Calculation Steps
Nutrition composition table on the Similac 1 package Total energy is
2147 KJ/100g
Testing result from Muva Kempten Protein (TN*6.38) is 11.09%=
(11.09g/100g)
Hence, the protein level (g/kj) is 11.09/2147=0.0051653g/KJ
That equals to 0.52g/100KJ
Or
According to the package label 1000ML liquid formulas contains 131.7g
Similac milk powders
That means 100ML liquid formulas contains 13.17g Similac milk
powders
Testing result from Muva Kempten Protein (TN*6.38) is 11.09%=
(11.09g/100g)
Protein (TN*6.38) is 11.09%=(11.09g/100g)
13.17g*11.09%=1.461g/100ml
Nutrition composition table on the Similac 1 package Total energy is
283kj/100ml
Hence, the protein level (g/kj) is 1.461/283=0.0051625g/kj
That equals to 0.52g/100kj
3 ISO 11814 classification
ISO 11814 classification of heat treatment intensity of milk powders
Undernatured whey protein index (WPNI, mg/g)
High heat (HH) <1.4
Middle high heat (MHH) 1.5 - 4.4
Middle heat (MH) 4.5 - 5.9
Low heat (LH) > 6.0
Extremely low heat (ELH) -----------------------
Intl Standard IDF 162-2002/ISO 11814
Significance of each test
Protein (TN*6.38): Protein requirements for infants are based on the
concentrations of amino acids in mature human milk. Several guidelines
and experts have made recommendations for the protein level in infant
formulas, which generally agree on a minimum value. EU COMMISSION
DIRECTIVE 2006/141/EC on infant formulae and follow-on formulae and
amending Directive 1999/21/EC recommend a range of 0.44-0.70g/100kj. The
committee on nutrition of the American Academy of Pediatrics and the
United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) recommend a range of
0.435 -1.076g/100kj. The Codex Alimentarius Commission, part of both the
Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (FAO) and the
World Health Organization, recommend a 0.45-0.70g/100kj, and China
National Food Safety Standard (GB10765-2010) recommends a range of 0.45-
0.70g/100kj.
Whey/casein ratio: Cow's milk is the basis of almost all infant formula,
but plain cow's milk is unsuitable for infants because of its high casein
content and low whey content, which may put a strain on an infant's
immature kidneys. For this reason, untreated cow's milk is not
recommended before the age of 12 months. The infant intestine is not
properly equipped to digest non-human milk, and this may often result in
diarrhea, intestinal bleeding and malnutrition. To reduce the negative
effect on the infant's digestive system, cow's milk used for formula
undergoes processing to be made into infant formula. This includes steps
to make protein more easily digestible and alter the whey/casein protein
balance to one closer to human milk. The China National Food Safety
Standard on Infant Formulas GB 10765-2010 specifies that the percentage
of whey protein in the total protein should be equal to or higher than 60
percent.
Grade of denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin: Beta-lactoglobulin is the
major protein in whey, making up about 50-60% of the total whey protein
and is not exist in human milk. The conformation of the protein is pH
dependent and heat sensitive. Internationally manufacturers use grade of
denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin to measure the heat treatment
intensity of milk powders. A higher grade of denaturation means higher
heat treatment intensity which has a negative impact on the nutritional
function of milk powder.
Alpha-lactalbumin / beta-lactoglobulin ratio: Alpha-lactalbumin, a
protein found in the milk of all mammals and is a major protein in human
milk. Beta-lactoglobulin is absent from human milk. The protein content
of bovine whey contains about 50% to 55% of beta-lactoglobulin and about
18% of alpha-lactalbumin. The ratio of beta-lactoglobulin to alpha-
lactalbumin in bovine whey ranges between 2.5:1 and 4:1.
Expert Analysis on Abbott Similac Stage 1
1. Dr. Didier Dupont
Research Director of INRA, the French National Institute for Agricultural
Research (specializing in milk and egg research)
Protein level: Protein level is a bit low
Whey/casein ratio: There is enough evidence to prove that a 60:40 whey
proteins (WP)/casein (CN) is mandatory for 0-6 months infants. Given the
test result, the whey/casein ratio for this sample is not adapted for 0-6
month-old infants.
Grade of denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin: the 93% of denaturation is
extremely high and could be the result of successive heat treatments.
Alpha-lactalbumin / beta-lactoglobulin ratio: It reveals too much Alpha-
lactalbumin compared to beta-lactoglobulin. This is probably due to an
intense heat-denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin (93% of denaturation is
extremely high).
Conclusion on quality of infant formula: “Personally, I would not give
this formula to my children.”
2. Dr Scott Rankin
Chair of Food Science Department, University of Wisconsin-Madison
Protein level: Abbott has an intermediate protein level among the six
samples (not a great variation amongst all samples)
Whey/casein ratio: Abbott has the lowest whey/casein ratio. Regardless of
the intention of the manufacturer, a product that does not meet the
Chinese standard is in violation. Such a violation on any required
component could result in a substantial recall process.
Grade of denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin: Abbott probably has the
highest degree of thermal treatment
Alpha-lactalbumin / beta-lactoglobulin ratio: the alpha-lac/beta-lac
ratio is in alignment with what the literature reports.
Conclusion on quality of infant formula: Abbott fails the Chinese
National Food standard in terms of a minimum 60:40 ratio of whey to
casein. The thermal treatment is high in Brand 3, it would rank near the
lowest in terms of nutritional value. Yet, once a standard is set,
manufacturers are required to strictly follow those standards – there is
really no allowance for deviation, strict or otherwise, from the
standards, regardless of the nutritional or functional advantage
determined by the company.
3. China expert
The expert is a former VP of a Provincial Dairy Products Association who
participated in the drafting of the relevant National Food Safety
Standard GB 10765-2010. He declined to be identified due to the
sensitivities surrounding infant formula in China.
Protein level: This total protein level is a reasonable figure and fits
the requirement of the National Standard.
Whey/casein ratio: This ratio fails to follow the Chinese National Food
Safety Standard by large. Newborn babies need not only sufficient protein
but also the right whey and casein composition of protein in infant
formulas to prevent food safety incidents.
Grade of denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin: Abbott’s grade of
denaturation of beta-lactoglobulin is the worst among six samples. And
the WPNI result has shown that the infant formulas has been heated by
high level of heat treatment intensity according to the classification of
the International Standard IDF 162:2002/ ISO 11814. The recent research
development has uncovered that heat treatment would hurt the nutrition
structure of dairy protein. High-level heating would undermine the
nutritional function of the infant formulas substantially and may lead to
some unknown food safety issues.
Alpha-lactalbumin / beta-lactoglobulin ratio: China National Standard
doesn’t specify this ratio. However this ratio is adopted to measure the
milk source of the infant formulas.
Conclusion on quality of infant formula: After a series of food safety
incidents in infant formulas sector Chinese specialists have got the
common knowledge that new-born babies need not only sufficient protein
but also the composition of the protein should be as close to
breastfeeding as possible to ensure their food safety of babies. I feel
disappointed and don’t know why Abbott as a renowned international brand
would fail to follow the basic requirement in China’s National Food
Safety Standards.
4. Dr Andrew S Day
Professor and Head of Pediatrics Department at the University of Otago,
Christchurch, New Zealand
Whey/casein ratio: I would agree that none of the six samples fall within
the China National Standard. Abbott (Sample 3) is the lowest.
5. Professor Chen Yuming
Pediatric expert at the Public Health and Nutrition College of Zhongshan
University in Guangzhou and the Vice President of the Guangdong Nutrition
Association.
“The nutrition composition of infant formulas for 0-6 month-old babies
should be as close as possible to that of human breastfeeding 60:40 ratio
to avoid any food safety incidents. Too much casein is difficult for
newborn babies to digest as their gut system is not mature enough. A
roughly 40 percent whey protein is unacceptable for newborn babies and
may cause digestion problems. The newborn baby may suffer from protein
related malnutrition if taking this kind of infant formula for a long
period. A high degree of heat treatment would hurt the functionality of
the infant formulas nutrition level and lead to malnutrition as well.”
6. Professor Feng Xiang
A pediatric expert at the Public Health and Nutrition College of
Zhongshan University, Guangzhou.
“If the infant formulas fail to follow China’s National Food Safety
Standard, then it should not be sold to the consumers. Infant formulas
should be treated with analytical tests according to the National
Standards to ensure its food safety. If the whey protein level (of the
total protein) is lower than 60 percent, the infant formulas would lead
to nutrition deficiency to newborn babies who have been fed with
disqualified infant formula for a long time.”
7. Dr. Liu Jing, a researcher at the Department of Nutrition and Food
Safety at China Disease Prevention and Control Center.
China’s National Food Safety Standard towards whey/casein ratio specified
that the whey percentage should be at least 60 percent. This required
ratio is mandatory especially for 0-6 months babies as whey protein is
easier for babies to digest. If the whey protein percentage is only about
40 percent, babies who take it for a long time may suffer from protein
malnutrition because they could not digest too much casein. Hence,
manufacturers should follow this requirement strictly. Overly high heat
treatment intensity on milk would impede the functionality of some
nutrients in the infant formulas as well.
The Company
Abbott Laboratories (ABT.NYSE), headquartered in Chicago, Illinois. It
operates several offices, manufacturing facilities and R&D centers in
China. Abbott produces a wide range of products for the China market.
The Product
Abbott sells infant formula in the Hong Kong and China markets under the
Similac brand. The Similac Stage 1 product is manufactured especially for
babies aged from 0-6 months. Abbott is viewed as a top quality brand and
is highly sought-after by Chinese mainland parents who travel to Hong
Kong to buy in bulk and carry back home. The product is made in Ireland.
Abbott in the China Market
As of 2010, Abbott controlled about 7% of the total milk powder market in
China, the fourth largest provider after Dumex and MeadJohnson. Abbott’s
sales in China have climbed as a share of its total revenue from 2.1% in
2009 to 2.5% in 2010. Abbott’s total estimated mainland China revenues
for 2011 were between US$950 and US$1,100 million, based on CER
Research’s investigations.
Product Recalls
Since 1984, Abbott infant formula have subject to several recalls in the
US due to a series of quality issues. The most recent occurred in
September 2010 when beetle parts and beetle larvae found in the powder
led to a recall of 5 million tins of Similac-brand infant formula powder.
Some of this tainted powder was purchased by Chinese customers through
purchasing agents in the United States.
Appendix
The samples were bought at Auchan Supermarket, Lotus Supermarket,
Carrefour in Shanghai on Dec 21, 2011 and City Super and Watsons in Hong
Kong on Dec 16, 2011 and Dec 19, 2011, respectively.
We bought the Abbott Similac Stage 1 infant formula sample at Watsons,
Shop B20, Commercial Podium of Provident Center, 21-53 Wharf Road, North
Point, Hong Kong on Dec 16, 2011 (see purchase receipt below).
The samples were first sent to a respected laboratory in Shanghai,
Intertek, for registration in a sterile environment. Intertek then
shipped the samples directly to the German laboratory.
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发帖数: 836 | 6 it says similac advance is the worst. my twins are still having it after 1
year
【在 m********y 的大作中提到】
: ?! Similac?? Seriously?
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l****o
发帖数: 640 | 7 是中国市场的不合格吧？外国人总是把最差的东西卖到中国。反正母乳是最好的，没的
作假。 |
N******u
发帖数: 11939 | 8 就跟日本产品一样，卖到中国的都是三流质量二流服务一流价格。 |
q******i
发帖数: 3123 | 9 啊？我们家一直喝Similac。那二段的还要不要喝了啊 |
z***u
发帖数: 501 | 10 这边卖的similiac 和国内卖的雅培不一样吧？我看包装就完全不一样。
不要吓我，我女儿一直都吃similiac的。 |
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Y**a
发帖数: 681 | 11 如果不是假文章的话，这句是关键：
针对雅培的受检奶粉“不是为中国内地市场而生产和销售的”，因此不必满足中国
国家标准的要求的说法，CER表示，根据检测结果和专家意见，雅培产品的样品在关键
指标上同时不符合国际标准和中国标准。
【在 c**********0 的大作中提到】
: it says similac advance is the worst. my twins are still having it after 1
: year
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az
发帖数: 16686 | 12 那美国啥标准啊
【在 Y**a 的大作中提到】
: 如果不是假文章的话，这句是关键：
: 针对雅培的受检奶粉“不是为中国内地市场而生产和销售的”，因此不必满足中国
: 国家标准的要求的说法，CER表示，根据检测结果和专家意见，雅培产品的样品在关键
: 指标上同时不符合国际标准和中国标准。
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O******e
发帖数: 1623 | |
L*******7
发帖数: 14902 | 14 嗯，说不定三鹿的董事长是这个香港公司的股东
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 这个，这个，疑点太多了，感觉有阴谋。
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O******e
发帖数: 1623 | 15 Re, 俺很想知道另5个是啥牌子。
【在 L*******7 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，说不定三鹿的董事长是这个香港公司的股东
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i*****r
发帖数: 1812 | 16 不信。要是有问题的话美国这边早听说问题了，儿医那里也给sample，医院里面都是给
新生儿准备的这个。 |
Y**a
发帖数: 681 | 17 我有个顿悟，奶粉有国际标准吗？谁定的国际标准？貌似不大可能吧
【在 az 的大作中提到】
: 那美国啥标准啊
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c**********0
发帖数: 836 | 18 the link is:
http://finance.sina.com.cn/consume/puguangtai/20120324/02201166
【在 Y**a 的大作中提到】
: 如果不是假文章的话，这句是关键：
: 针对雅培的受检奶粉“不是为中国内地市场而生产和销售的”，因此不必满足中国
: 国家标准的要求的说法，CER表示，根据检测结果和专家意见，雅培产品的样品在关键
: 指标上同时不符合国际标准和中国标准。
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c**********0
发帖数: 836 | |
c**********0
发帖数: 836 | 20 I added the english report
http://www.cerresearch.com/node/11
Scott rankin's website. he is one of the people who tested similac.
http://foodsci.wisc.edu/faculty/rankin/
【在 c**********0 的大作中提到】
: Update: added English report link
: 中国年轻父母追捧的雅培奶粉竟然完全不符合国际标准，也未达到中国国家标准。昨天
: ，第三方机构香港CERResearch公司发布报告称，其送检了从中国市场购买的六个品牌
: 的婴幼儿配方奶粉，检测结果均不合格，雅培样品是最差的。
: □检测结果
: 六品牌均不合格雅培喜康宝最差
: CERResearch从事中国市场的调查和研究，公司 CEO Graham Earnshaw(晏格文)昨
: 天接受记者采访时称，公司日前从上海和香港购买了六个品牌的婴幼儿配方奶粉，邮寄
: 到德国一个世界一流的专业检测食品安全的实验室进行成分检测和分析。
: “目前，这些样品的检测数据都出来了，我们将这些数据提供给专家，由他们做出
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t*******2
发帖数: 2152 | 21 这次出问题的雅培是丹麦产的好像，根本跟美国的没关系的。。。 |
s*******t
发帖数: 2896 | 22 奉老婆命search了一下，小辟一下谣。
http://finance.chinanews.com/cj/2012/03-24/3769880.shtml
末段贴上来，供妈妈们参考
雅培奶粉“质量门”引发口水战 或引发退货潮
....
营养学教授称“被恶意利用”
但是，就在舆论“一面倒”地指责雅培奶粉时，事情发生了意外变化。在CER调查
报告第一段中，曾援引广东中山大学公共卫生学院教授陈裕明的言论，试图证明雅培喜
康宝奶粉存在质量缺陷。但陈裕明昨晚在微博发布声明称，自己“是在打着咨询幌子下
被恶意利用的所谓专家之一，这家调查公司不管其结论如何，手段过于卑劣！”
而一位乳业专家则向记者解释了关于配方奶粉的“标准”问题。“2010年中国发布
的婴儿配方食品国家标准中明确规定，乳清蛋白比例应该大于等于60%。而国际食品法
典委员会和欧盟标准都没有对这个比例进行规定。从这个角度来说，国标更严格一些。
”该专家表示，CER报告所调查的奶粉购自香港，香港采用的是国际食品法典委员会的
标准，因此该奶粉在香港出售并无不合规定之处。
那么，高酪蛋白是否可能造成婴儿肠道出血？该专家表示，家长不必对此过于恐慌
。“如果婴儿对牛奶中的酪蛋白过敏，进而引发了过敏性结肠炎的时候，高酪蛋白含量
的奶粉的确会引发肠道出血。但在这种情况下就不是调整‘比例’的问题，而是需要立
即停用任何含有牛奶酪蛋白的配方奶粉，换用深度水解配方的奶粉。” (记者窦媛媛) |
c**********0
发帖数: 836 | 23 I searched for English report this morning (as given in the previous post)
and found that the English report is not fully consistent with Chinese news
-- 60% is not international standard, it's chinese standard. My LG thinks
the company may be paid to destroy similac's reputation. But he also just
read a report in US that many brands put sugar in milk -- enfamil put the
least sugar (and it uses lactus as sugar), similac organic put most sugar.
We have been using similac for long time and just ordered 6-week similac
advance.
【在 s*******t 的大作中提到】
: 奉老婆命search了一下，小辟一下谣。
: http://finance.chinanews.com/cj/2012/03-24/3769880.shtml
: 末段贴上来，供妈妈们参考
: 雅培奶粉“质量门”引发口水战 或引发退货潮
: ....
: 营养学教授称“被恶意利用”
: 但是，就在舆论“一面倒”地指责雅培奶粉时，事情发生了意外变化。在CER调查
: 报告第一段中，曾援引广东中山大学公共卫生学院教授陈裕明的言论，试图证明雅培喜
: 康宝奶粉存在质量缺陷。但陈裕明昨晚在微博发布声明称，自己“是在打着咨询幌子下
: 被恶意利用的所谓专家之一，这家调查公司不管其结论如何，手段过于卑劣！”
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c**********0
发帖数: 836 | 24 好像是新西兰
【在 t*******2 的大作中提到】
: 这次出问题的雅培是丹麦产的好像，根本跟美国的没关系的。。。
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x****r
发帖数: 310 | 25 同意哈。
【在 L*******7 的大作中提到】
: 嗯，说不定三鹿的董事长是这个香港公司的股东
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m*****8
发帖数: 4059 | 26 民科！不要信。科学松鼠会已经出辟谣文章了。有兴趣的可以去搜来看下。
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【在 c**********0 的大作中提到】
: Update: added English report link
: 中国年轻父母追捧的雅培奶粉竟然完全不符合国际标准，也未达到中国国家标准。昨天
: ，第三方机构香港CERResearch公司发布报告称，其送检了从中国市场购买的六个品牌
: 的婴幼儿配方奶粉，检测结果均不合格，雅培样品是最差的。
: □检测结果
: 六品牌均不合格雅培喜康宝最差
: CERResearch从事中国市场的调查和研究，公司 CEO Graham Earnshaw(晏格文)昨
: 天接受记者采访时称，公司日前从上海和香港购买了六个品牌的婴幼儿配方奶粉，邮寄
: 到德国一个世界一流的专业检测食品安全的实验室进行成分检测和分析。
: “目前，这些样品的检测数据都出来了，我们将这些数据提供给专家，由他们做出
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az
发帖数: 16686 | 27 科学松鼠会是啥啊
【在 m*****8 的大作中提到】
: 民科！不要信。科学松鼠会已经出辟谣文章了。有兴趣的可以去搜来看下。
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c*****t
发帖数: 729 | |
r**3
发帖数: 1779 | 29 这个德国验证的东东不可靠的吧。
不是说里面的已经大部分专家否认，要求该报道撤消自己的名字么？ |
L********n
发帖数: 2097 | 30 前几天看电视，国内的新闻，说有人在雅培罐子里发现避孕套，而且好像还是用过的。
。。 |
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p******t
发帖数: 3764 | 31 国内有收购用完的进口奶粉盒子的，80块一个，自己发挥想象吧
【在 L********n 的大作中提到】
: 前几天看电视，国内的新闻，说有人在雅培罐子里发现避孕套，而且好像还是用过的。
: 。。
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n*****e
发帖数: 1214 | 32 啊，太没良心了吧
【在 p******t 的大作中提到】
: 国内有收购用完的进口奶粉盒子的，80块一个，自己发挥想象吧
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L********n
发帖数: 2097 | 33 新闻里说是国产的雅培，上面写的中文，今天又看到这个，我在想，难道国内的雅培
惹了谁了？
【在 p******t 的大作中提到】
: 国内有收购用完的进口奶粉盒子的，80块一个，自己发挥想象吧
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p******t
发帖数: 3764 | 34 大家都喝三鹿就消停了
【在 L********n 的大作中提到】
: 新闻里说是国产的雅培，上面写的中文，今天又看到这个，我在想，难道国内的雅培
: 惹了谁了？
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m*******8
发帖数: 7852 | |
x**********3
发帖数: 177 | 36 我完全不相信～～～真有啥问题。。那美国人还不站出来闹了。。。。 |
