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[美国JRs之声]武器库对比，威少更刚猛，哈登万金油，库里惨遭调戏！
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[OC] 18/50: Comparing the scoring versatility of Westbrook, Harden, and
Curry (i.imgur.com)
对威少、哈登和库里各种得分手段进行的比较。
【注】图中纵轴为进攻方式的每回合得分，横轴各项从左至右依次分别是：混合进攻、
作为持球人发动挡拆、单打、背身、手递手、无球掩护、定点投篮、补篮、转换进攻、
空切。
Notes
All data from NBA.com.
Data is from the 2016-17 regular season.
I included all play types except P&R Roll Man because none of them have many
possessions of that type.
Each of the light dots is another player that met the minimum number of
possessions for that play type.
说明：
所有的数据都来自于NBA官网。
数据取自2016-2017赛季的常规赛。
我在图中包含了除“作为掩护球员进行挡拆”之外的所有的进攻方式，因为他们三个人
作为掩护球员执行挡拆的次数都不是太多。
每个浅色的圆点，都代表一位达到了使用该种进攻方式最低次数的球员。
Observations
Similar to the situation in my last post (with Kawhi, LeBron, and KD), all
three of these guys are above-average iso players, but its still a
relatively inefficient play for them.
Overall, it looks like Harden and Curry are equally versatile with Westbrook
just behind. Again, teammates probably have an effect on this (i.e. Curry
is surrounded by the best teammates, so his efficiency may be a bit inflated
).
The graph doesn't count plays where someone passes it out. For example, if
Harden is posting up then passes it out to a teammate who shoots a 3, the
possession counts as a spot up 3 for the teammate, not a post up for Harden.
However, if Harden passes it out and turns it over, that does count against
Harden in this graph.
观察结论：
与我上一篇帖子里（对伦纳德、詹姆斯和杜兰特的分析）的情况类似，这三名球员都有
着平均水平以上的单挑能力，但对他们来说，单挑仍然是一种相对低效的进攻方式。
总的来说，似乎哈登和库里都是同样的全能，而威少则要稍微弱一点。
再次重审一遍，队友（的水平）可能会对这个图中的数据产生影响（比如说，库里身边
有着最出色的队友，因此他的效率可能会有点虚高）。
这个图中并没有包括球员把球传出去的情况。比如说，如果哈登正在低位背打，之后把
球传给了队友，队友投了一记三分，这种情况下算作是队友的一次定点三分出手，而不
是哈登的一次背打。然而，如果哈登在传球的时候失误了，这样则是会对哈登在这张图
里的表现造成不利影响的。
[–]Dhiblow 361 指標 17小時前
Curry confirmed as terrible putback dunker.
库里真是一个糟糕的补扣选手。
【注】此处为调侃库里以前一个多次补扣不进的视频。
[–]zliplus 95 指標 16小時前
Still above 1 PPP and only a bit below average. What he's really terrible at
are post-ups!
然而他每次补篮还是能得到一分以上的，而这只比平均水平低一点。背打才是他真正惨
不忍睹的一点！
[–]Rocketsjmlinden7 79 指標 16小時前
Not enough booty
屁股还是不够大啊。
[–]WarriorsAir_Ball 90 指標 18小時前
surprised stephs scoring off cuts isn't much more, id imagine it was much
greater last season. The Bogut feeding out of the post was a staple play.
震惊！原来库里的空切得分并没有那么多，我能够想象到上赛季他的空切会更好一些，
看来博古特从低位把球喂出来给库里已经是一种成熟的战术了。
[–][WAS] Kelly Oubrestarrybubble 64 指標 16小時前
No. KD took all the cuts..
不不不，现在是杜兰特包办了所有的空切。
[–]New Orleans HornetsGood_NewsEveryone 41 指標 14小時前
This year Curry had 87 cut possessions on 1.17 points per play. Last year he
had 120 possessions on 1.32 ppp.
For reference Harden has 23 possessions this year and 39 last year. And
Westbrook 26, 38.
So Curry still gets significantly more possessions that way.
今年库里一共有87次空切，每次空切能够得到1.17分，去年他有120次空切，每次得到1
.32分。
作为参考，哈登今年有23次空切，去年则有39次，而威少今年有26次，去年有38次。
所以库里空切的次数还是明显要更多一些的。
[–]Sunstreytakzona 107 指標 18小時前
After seeing this chart, I just want to know who's first in handoffs (far
ahead of the rest) and cuts (only one above Harden).
在看了这个图以后，我只想知道每回合手递手得分最高（远远高于其他人）和每回合空
切得分最高（只有他高于哈登）的人都是谁。
[–]New Orleans HornetsGood_NewsEveryone 82 指標 18小時前
Looks like Anthony Davis for hand offs. Aaron Gordon for cuts.
好像每回合手递手得分最高的那个是浓眉，而每回合空切得分最高的是阿龙-戈登。
[–]RocketsRecycledThrowAway324 151 指標 18小時前
Just as we all expected.
正如我们所料。
[–]Raptorspresident_axolotl 42 指標 17小時前
I'm honestly shocked that westbrook and harden rank so lowly in transition
relative to everyone else. Great stuff OP!
我真的震惊了，相比于其他所有人来说，威少和哈登在转换进攻中的排名（每回合得分
）居然这么低。楼主，干得不错！
[–]RocketsNondairy_wizard 61 指標 16小時前
I'd guess it would be due to the fact that they are usually the ones running
the transition play rather than the ones finishing it, and when they do
finish it it is coast to coast through traffic.
我想这是因为实际上，他们通常都是发动转换进攻的人，而不是终结转换进攻的人，而
当他们要自己完成进攻时，就需要从后场一条龙在对方球员中过五关斩六将。
[–]RocketsThe_Rejected_Stone 2 指標 11小時前
Makes sense based on the change in the Rocket's offense last season. Harden
was setting people up off transition a lot more than taking it himself.
基于上赛季火箭队在进攻端的变化，楼上说的还是有道理的。哈登更多的是让队友舒服
的完成转换进攻，而不是自己来进行终结。
[–][HOU] Tracy McGradyDreadSilver 11 指標 17小時前
Westbrook has a lot of pull up 2s compared to Steph's pull up 3s in
transition.
在转换进攻中，相比于库里的干拔三分，威少的干拔两分投得更多。
[–][OKC] Russell Westbrookrickety3828 5 指標 11小時前
There's some truth to this, nba.com doesn't filter out transition 3s and 2s,
but they do post FG% and eFG%.
So with a little algebra I got:
Russ: FG%: 50.9% eFG%: 54.1% So that's 147 two pointers, 21 three pointers,
with 330 shots in transition
Steph: FG%: 51.7% eFG: 65.5% So that's 75 two pointers, 85 three pointers,
with 309 shots in transition
Harden: FG% 52.8% eFG%: 62.3% So that's 72 two pointers, 40 three pointers,
with 212 shots in transition
I don't think two point jumpers make up a huge portion of Russ' shots though
. I think Russ' shots are more drives to the basket with the ball in his
hands and Steph is getting kick out passes and then he shoots the three.
关于这一点有些事实要注意一下，NBA官网并没有区分开转换三分和转换两分，但官网
上确实贴出了投篮命中率和有效命中率。
在我稍微算了一下之后，我得到了这样的结果：
威少：投篮命中率50.9%，有效命中率54.1%，在330次转换出手中，投进了147个两分和
21个三分。
库里：投篮命中率51.7%，有效命中率65.5%，在309次转换出手中，投进了75个两分和
85个三分。
哈登：投篮命中率52.8%，有效命中率62.3%，在212次转换出手中，投进了72个两分和
40个三分。
然而我并不觉得在威少的转换出手中，很大一部分是两分跳投。我认为威少在转换中的
出手，更多的是抱着球直杀篮下，而库里则是接到分出来的球之后出手三分。
【注】有效命中率，是将三分球按照1.5个两分球进行计算后得到的命中率，计算公式
为：有效命中率=（投进的两分球个数+0.5*投进的三分球个数）/总的出手数
[–]NBAcheapazn 18 指標 17小時前
Volume could be important to factor in here
在这个图里，每种进攻方式的样本数量是很重要的影响因素。
[–]WarriorsRampanTThirteen 45 指標 18小時前
What are misc plays?
混合进攻是个啥？
[–]BeardedAsian 58 指標 17小時前
Idk but rockets should keep running them!
我不知道，但是火箭应该一直这么打！
[–]RocketsNondairy_wizard 8 指標 17小時前
everything else that can't be classified into one of those categories.
所有不属于上述任何一种进攻方式的其他进攻方式。
[–]RocketsNondairy_wizard 27 指標 16小時前
heaves or other late shot clock non-structured plays as well
也包括超远出手，以及其他24秒快到时的胡乱出手。
[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonard-917- 70 指標 18小時前
Russ is not terribly good at many of these
在这些进攻手段中，威少有许多不是很擅长啊。
[–]WarriorsDerangedLoofah 47 指標 16小時前
Not terribly bad either
然而也并没有特别糟的啊。
[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonard-917- 11 指標 16小時前
Yeah kind of middle of the pack (of league)
没错，在这些人（联盟）里基本属于中游水平吧。
[–]WeRallGOATS 23 指標 14小時前
It's the usage vs efficiency curve. There's still a benefit to someone like
Westbrook taking on a larger load and not dropping off that much in
efficiency vs having another guy take on more of a load and dropping off
much more. He basically vacuumed up a lot of possessions Ibaka and Durant
used to use because there was no one else left to use them better. His
efficiency will go back up this year as George takes off some of the load.
这是条反映使用率—效率的曲线。像威少这种承担更多重任，而在效率上没有太多下降
的球员，相比于那些使用率上升后效率大幅下降的球员来说，对球队还是有利的。伊巴
卡和杜兰特过去所占有的使用率，基本上有一大部分被威少占用了，因为队里没人能更
高效的利用这些球权。威少今年的效率会再次上升的，因为乔治的加盟能够为威少分担
一些压力。
[–]Hawksatad123 8 指標 15小時前
It's funny how his most effective play seems to be spotting up and cutting,
both of which require him to not have the ball in his hands. Not taking
anything away from Russ though he's a great player.
很有趣的一点是，威少效率最高的进攻方式似乎是定点跳投和空切，而这两种方式都需
要球不在他的手里。我并不是在说威少任何的不好，他是个伟大的球员。
[–][LAL] Kobe BryantJMD__ 160 指標 19小時前
"harden & cp3 can't co-exist"
wow would you look at that scoring off cuts to the basket..
“哈登和保罗不能共存。”
哇，你们不能去看看空切篮下这项的得分吗？
[–]New Orleans HornetsGood_NewsEveryone 259 指標 19小時前
And then you realize that dot represents 23 plays on the entire season. Or 1
% or Harden's scoring possessions.
I'm not saying they can't coexsist but that cut ppp isn't that significant
然后你就会意识到，那个点所代表的是整个赛季里只有23次的空切，在哈登所有的得分
方式里或许只占到1%。
我不是说哈登和保罗不能共存，而是这个“每回合空切得分”并没有那么重要。
[–]LakersMrKoontar 77 指標 18小時前
So what you're saying is, his cut plays will sky rocket this year because he
has a PG
所以你的意思是说，今年哈登的空切得分会大幅上涨，因为他身边有了一个控卫？
[–]Warriorsatmosphere325 20 指標 16小時前
Harden has a high BBIQ, has already retooled his game several times, and
doesn't seem to have much of an ego, so I hardly see any issues playing next
to CP3. I'd have much more concerns if CP3 and WB played together,
especially playing off of the ball.
哈登的篮球智商很高，他已经好几次改变他的比赛方式了，而且看起来他也并不是非常
的自负，因此我几乎不觉得他和保罗一起打球会有什么问题。如果保罗是和威少一起打
球的话，我会更关心一些，尤其是他们该怎么打无球。 |
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