m********5
发帖数: 17667 | 1 首先植物基因会通过土壤中的病毒或者细菌跳转到别的植物。因此除草剂基因改造会导
致抗glyphosate基因扩散。导致杂草产生部分抗性。
如果作物都基本有抗glyphosate基因，那么农户就倾向于过量喷洒glyphosate, 导致
glyphosate在作物中聚集，这个对食物来说是非常有害的。而抗除草剂基因的扩散又导
致杂草耐性提高，导致农户进一步提高glyphosate的剂量。这是一个恶性循环。而且种
过抗除草剂基因的地再种没有改造过的作物就不可能了，因为他们对抗不过周围的杂草。
只要持续种几年抗glyphosate的作物，以后就只用永远种下去。 | l****p
发帖数: 27354 | 2 这个理论推导成立，有 super weed 大量出现的事实了吗？
草。
【在 m********5 的大作中提到】
: 首先植物基因会通过土壤中的病毒或者细菌跳转到别的植物。因此除草剂基因改造会导
: 致抗glyphosate基因扩散。导致杂草产生部分抗性。
: 如果作物都基本有抗glyphosate基因，那么农户就倾向于过量喷洒glyphosate, 导致
: glyphosate在作物中聚集，这个对食物来说是非常有害的。而抗除草剂基因的扩散又导
: 致杂草耐性提高，导致农户进一步提高glyphosate的剂量。这是一个恶性循环。而且种
: 过抗除草剂基因的地再种没有改造过的作物就不可能了，因为他们对抗不过周围的杂草。
: 只要持续种几年抗glyphosate的作物，以后就只用永远种下去。
| b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 3 Monsato has fucked the world food supply with all its GMO shit
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Military/44475077.html | c****g
发帖数: 37081 | 4 “植物基因会通过土壤中的病毒或者细菌跳转到别的植物”很容易吗？杂草也会由自身
基因突变产生抗性。要是后者速率〉〉前者，lz的论证不是扯蛋吗？ | l****p
发帖数: 27354 | 5 自身突变抗性不容易，有现成的基因可以拿来更容易。
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: “植物基因会通过土壤中的病毒或者细菌跳转到别的植物”很容易吗？杂草也会由自身
: 基因突变产生抗性。要是后者速率〉〉前者，lz的论证不是扯蛋吗？
| g***t
发帖数: 7544 | 6 抗除草剂基因与耐青霉素基因一样，没有持续施用除草剂的情况下，很快就会被自然淘
汰。 | f*******e
发帖数: 995 | 7 楼主一方面预言杂草可以变得不怕除草剂，另一方面预言作物不经基因改造就无法在有
残留的除草剂的土壤中生存。
如果土壤里残留除草剂成为了问题，可以把种子在除草剂中培育几代，然后就不怕除草
剂了么？ | f*****9
发帖数: 6768 | | C******y
发帖数: 3249 | 9 轮子最大的金主是孟三都
【在 f*****9 的大作中提到】
: 植物学千老猥琐男暴露帖， 呵呵
| C******y
发帖数: 3249 | 10 孟三都的力量有多大呢？你一夜之间发现所有的汽油站都贴上了10% ethanol 的牌子，
就是孟三都干的。美国毁掉一半的良田，搞什么生物燃料，就是孟三都干的。
老子亲身体会，在ABC ，CNN 网站碰到孟三都的网络特务，那个封杀的速度，那个犹奸
带领党卫军，在清脆的一听就知道是德国的冲锋枪声中砸你门的野蛮，让老子印象深刻
。当代对舆论控制最野蛮的两个势力，一个是孟三都，一个是李嘉诚的地产党。这两个
是有着严格特务系统，纳粹纪律，行动得力的法西斯组织。
在5000年的历史长河中，从没有一个企业象孟三都这个章鱼的爪子一样，牢牢的插在
美国政府的脑子里。正如刘亚洲上将，贺福初上将指出，这是一个不折不扣的生物战总
装备部，它的董事会成员，不但有美国现任国务卿希拉里克林顿，前国防部长，还有现
任 Lockheed－Martin 这样
的头号军火商。
here are a list of all the ways Monsanto has hijacked our government.
monsanto if yoiu are unaware, is a company that has destroyed the
agriculture of our country, driven thousands of farmers into bankruptcy, and
poisoned our food supply with genetically enhanced vegetables, and
poisonous chemicals. most of these people should be thrown in jail for the
things they've done.
David Beier
MONSANTO POSITION: Head of Government Affairs for Genetech, (Now Monsanto)
FEDERAL POSITION: Chief Domestic Policy Advisor to Vice President Gore
William Conlon:
MONSANTO POSITION: Worked for Monsanto’s Legal Team
FEDERAL POSITION: Department of Justice
Sam Skinner:
MONSANTO POSITION: Worked on Monsanto’s Legal Team
FEDERAL POSITION: Department of Justice
Robert Fraley:
MONSANTO POSITION: Executive Vice President and Chief Technology Officer
FEDERAL POSITION: Serves as advisor in public agencies, including the USDA,
among others
Michael A. Friedman:
MONSANTO POSITION: Senior Vice President for Clinical Affairs at G.D. Searle
&Co. (Merged with Monsanto)
FEDERAL POSITION: Acting Commissioner of the FDA
Marcia Hale:
MONSANTO POSITION: Director of International Government Affairs
FEDERAL POSITION: Assistant to President Clinton and Director of Government
Affairs
Arthur Hull Hayes:
MONSANTO POSITION: Consultant to Searle’s (merged with Monsanto) Public
Relations Firm
FEDERAL POSITION: Previously was FDA Commissioner
John L. Henshaw:
MONSANTO POSITION: Director of ESH Quality & Compliance
FEDERAL POSITION: Senior Advisor to U.S. Secretary of Labor
Rob Horsch:
MONSANTO POSITION: Vice President of Product and Technology Cooperation
FEDERAL POSITION: Advisor to the National Science Foundation and the
Department of Energy
Michael Kantor:
MONSANTO POSITION: Board of Directors, also represented Monsanto as a lawyer
FEDERAL POSITION: U.S. Secretary of Commerce
Gwendolyn S. King:
MONSANTO POSITION: Monsanto Board Member
FEDERAL POSITION: Commissioner of SSA 1989-1992
Richard J. Mahoney:
MONSANTO POSITION: CEO of Monsanto for 14 years
FEDERAL POSITION: Serves as Director of U.S. Soviet, Japanese and Korean
Trade Councils, a Member of the U.S. Government Policy Committee
Margaret Miller:
MONSANTO POSITION: Oversaw the Approval of rBGH, was a top Monsanto
scientist
FEDERAL POSITION: In, 1991, Margaret was appointed Deputy Director of the
FDA
George Poste:
MONSANTO POSITION: Sits on Monsanto’s Board of Directors, previously a
Monsanto Animal Specialist
FEDERAL POSITION: In 2002, Poste was appointed head of Bioterrorism division
of Homeland Security
William D. Ruckelshaus:
MONSANTO POSITION: Member of the Monsanto Board of Directors
FEDERAL POSITION: In 1970, he was the first Chief Administrator for the EPA,
later the acting director of the FBI, then Deputy U.S. Attorney General
Donald Rumsfeld:
MONSANTO POSITION: Previous CEO of Searle (merged with Monsanto), he
successfully had ASPARTAME legalized while in that position.
FEDERAL POSITION: Appointed to Secretary of Defense in 1975, then appointed
to Secretary of Defense again in 2002
Suzanne Sechen:
MONSANTO POSITION: Worked on Monsanto-funded rGBH in connection with her
graduate work at Cornell University
FEDERAL POSITION: FDA Reviewer on Scientific Data
Robert B. Shapiro:
MONSANTO POSITION: Previously the President and CEO of Monsanto, Chairman
and CEO of Nutrasweet, and Chairman and CEO of Monsanto
FEDERAL POSITION: Previously Served as President’s Advisory Committee on
Trade Policy and on the White House Domestic Policy Review of Industrial
Innovation
Islam Siddiqui:
MONSANTO POSITION: Former Vice President of CropLife America, which
represented Monsanto
FEDERAL POSITION: Chief Agricultural Negotiator for the Office of the Trade
Representative
Michael Taylor:
MONSANTO POSITION: Former Attorney for Monsanto for seven years, previous h
Head of the Monsanto Washington D.C. Office
FEDERAL POSITION: Former FDA Deputy Commission for Policy. In 2010,
appointed by the FDA as a senior advisor of the FDA Commissioner
Dr. Charles Thomas:
MONSANTO POSITION: Previous Monsanto Researcher in charge of the Manhattan
Project, creating the atomic bomb. Later, became Monsanto’s Chairman of the
board.
FEDERAL POSITION: Previously Served as a consultant to the National Security
Council and as a U.S. Representative of the United Nations’ Atomic Energy
Commission
Clarence Thomas:
MONSANTO POSITION: Former lawyer for Monsanto, a notorious chemical polluter
. Thomas would later cast the decisive vote in 2000 on the Supreme Court,
ratifying the stolen election that put George W. Bush Jr. into office
FEDERAL POSITION: In 1991, was appointed to the U.S. Supreme Court
Anne Veneman:
MONSANTO POSITION: Previously served on the Board of Directors of Calgene, a
Monsanto Biotech subsidiary
FEDERAL POSITION: In 2001, was appointed Head of the USDA
Jack Watson:
MONSANTO POSITION: Former Staff Lawyer with Monsanto in Washington D.C.
FEDERAL POSITION: Chief of Staff to President Carter
Seth Waxman:
MONSANTO POSITION: Hired by Monsanto to prosecute two Farmers who fought
against Monsanto’s Seed Policies in 2002
FEDERAL POSITION: Former U.S. Solicitor General
Dr. Virginia Weldon:
MONSANTO POSITION: Retired Senior Vice President for Public Policy at
Monsanto
FEDERAL POSITION: Previously, was a member of the FDA’s Metabolism &
Endocrine Advisory Committee
Rufus Yerxa:
MONSANTO POSITION: Former Chief Counsel at Monsanto
FEDERAL POSITION: In 1993, was nominated as U.S. Deputy to the World Trade
Organization
Toby Moffett:
MONSANTO POSITION: Monsanto Consultant
FEDERAL POSITION: U.S. Congressman (D)
Dennis DeConcini:
MONSANTO POSITION: Monsanto Legal Counsel
FEDERAL POSITION: U.S. Senator (D)
Josh King:
MONSANTO POSITION: Director, International Government Affairs
FEDERAL POSITION: White House Communications (Clinton)
Carol Tucker-Forman:
MONSANTO POSITION: Monsanto Lobbyist
FEDERAL POSITION: White House Appointed Consumer Advisor (Clinton)
Linda Fisher:
MONSANTO POSITION: Vice President, Government & Public Affairs
FEDERAL POSITION: Deputy Administrator EPA (Clinton, Bush)
Lidia Watrud:
MONSANTO POSITION: Manger, New Technologies
FEDERAL POSITION: USDA, EPA (Clinton, Bush, Obama)
Hillary Clinton:
MONSANTO POSITION: Rose Law Firm, Monsanto Counsel
FEDERAL POSITION: U.S. Senator (D), Secretary of State (Obama)
Roger Beachy:
MONSANTO POSITION: Director, Monsanto Danforth Center
FEDERAL POSITION: Director USDA, NIFA (Obama) | | | l****p
发帖数: 27354 | 11 你这个对于某些抗药微生物是这样，比如抗药疟原虫，但对于另外一些不是，比如抗抗
生素的葡萄球菌，可以从用药的病人转移到从未用药的人，而且存在下去。
【在 g***t 的大作中提到】
: 抗除草剂基因与耐青霉素基因一样，没有持续施用除草剂的情况下，很快就会被自然淘
: 汰。
| b********n
发帖数: 38600 | 12 ”这是一个不折不扣的生物战总装备部“
有道理， 孟三都就是个私人公开的基因武器公司。
【在 C******y 的大作中提到】
: 孟三都的力量有多大呢？你一夜之间发现所有的汽油站都贴上了10% ethanol 的牌子，
: 就是孟三都干的。美国毁掉一半的良田，搞什么生物燃料，就是孟三都干的。
: 老子亲身体会，在ABC ，CNN 网站碰到孟三都的网络特务，那个封杀的速度，那个犹奸
: 带领党卫军，在清脆的一听就知道是德国的冲锋枪声中砸你门的野蛮，让老子印象深刻
: 。当代对舆论控制最野蛮的两个势力，一个是孟三都，一个是李嘉诚的地产党。这两个
: 是有着严格特务系统，纳粹纪律，行动得力的法西斯组织。
: 在5000年的历史长河中，从没有一个企业象孟三都这个章鱼的爪子一样，牢牢的插在
: 美国政府的脑子里。正如刘亚洲上将，贺福初上将指出，这是一个不折不扣的生物战总
: 装备部，它的董事会成员，不但有美国现任国务卿希拉里克林顿，前国防部长，还有现
: 任 Lockheed－Martin 这样
| l****p
发帖数: 27354 | 13 把你放在炼钢炉里面100年，是不是你就儿孙满堂，个个抗高温啊？如果你觉得人的适
应环境能力靠自己变化非常有限，那么同样可以想到，种子不是万能的，没有外力干预
（转基因），靠自己在非常残酷的环境里自己突变产生抗性亚种的能力其实也及其有限
。这就是为啥世界上很多物种会消失，而不是随环境不断进化。
【在 f*******e 的大作中提到】
: 楼主一方面预言杂草可以变得不怕除草剂，另一方面预言作物不经基因改造就无法在有
: 残留的除草剂的土壤中生存。
: 如果土壤里残留除草剂成为了问题，可以把种子在除草剂中培育几代，然后就不怕除草
: 剂了么？
| h********e
发帖数: 131 | | g***t
发帖数: 7544 | 15 别扯淡了。汽油添加乙醇是为了提高标号。不加乙醇也可以，要么多付钱，添加辛烷；
要么添加四乙基铅。
【在 C******y 的大作中提到】
: 孟三都的力量有多大呢？你一夜之间发现所有的汽油站都贴上了10% ethanol 的牌子，
: 就是孟三都干的。美国毁掉一半的良田，搞什么生物燃料，就是孟三都干的。
: 老子亲身体会，在ABC ，CNN 网站碰到孟三都的网络特务，那个封杀的速度，那个犹奸
: 带领党卫军，在清脆的一听就知道是德国的冲锋枪声中砸你门的野蛮，让老子印象深刻
: 。当代对舆论控制最野蛮的两个势力，一个是孟三都，一个是李嘉诚的地产党。这两个
: 是有着严格特务系统，纳粹纪律，行动得力的法西斯组织。
: 在5000年的历史长河中，从没有一个企业象孟三都这个章鱼的爪子一样，牢牢的插在
: 美国政府的脑子里。正如刘亚洲上将，贺福初上将指出，这是一个不折不扣的生物战总
: 装备部，它的董事会成员，不但有美国现任国务卿希拉里克林顿，前国防部长，还有现
: 任 Lockheed－Martin 这样
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