l*****7 发帖数: 8463 | 1 希腊历害,要求三千亿美元二战赔偿!!!
按这个方法计算甲午, 一战, 二战,日寇应该赔偿中国多少?
http://fortune.com/2015/04/07/greece-war-reparations-germany/
Greece wants $300 billion for WWII reparations. Germany calls it ‘stupid’
APRIL 7, 2015, 1:54 PM
Economy minister says Greece wants to squeeze a bit of leeway out of its
euro zone partners to help Athens overcome its debt crisis.
Germany’s economy minister branded Greece’s demand for 278.7 billion euros
(or roughly $300 billion) in reparations from World War Two as “stupid”
on Tuesday, while the German opposition said Berlin should repay a forced
loan dating from the Nazi occupation.
Greek Deputy Finance Minister Dimitris Mardas made the demand on Monday,
seizing on an emotional issue in a country where many blame Germany, their
biggest creditor, for the tough austerity measures and record high
unemployment connected with two international bailouts totaling 240 billion
euros.
Sigmar Gabriel, who is economy minister and German vice chancellor, called
the demand “stupid,” saying Greece ultimately had an interest in squeezing
a bit of leeway out of its euro zone partners to help Athens overcome its
debt crisis.
“And this leeway has absolutely nothing to do with World War Two or
reparation payments,” said Gabriel, who leads the Social Democrats (SPD),
junior partner in the ruling coalition with Chancellor Angela Merkel’s
conservatives.
Berlin is keen to draw a line under the reparations issue and officials have
previously argued that Germany has honored its obligations, including a 115
-million deutsche mark payment made to Greece in 1960.
A spokeswoman for the finance ministry said on Tuesday that the government’
s position was unchanged.
Eckhardt Rehberg, a budget expert for the conservatives, accused Athens of
deliberately mixing the debt crisis and reform requirements imposed by
Greece’s international creditors with the issue of reparations and
compensation.
“For me the figure of 278.7 billion euros of supposed war debts is neither
comprehensible nor sound,” he told Reuters.
“The issue of reparations has, for us, been dealt with both from a
political and a legal perspective.”
Left and Greens: Berlin should pay
But Greece’s demand for Germany to repay a forced wartime loan amounting to
10.3 billion euros found support from the German opposition, with members
of the Greens and the far-left Linke party saying Berlin should cough up.
Both Manuel Sarrazin, a European policy expert for the Greens, and Annette
Groth, a member of the leftist Linke party and chairman of a German-Greek
parliamentary group, told Reuters that Berlin should repay a so-called
occupation loan that Nazi Germany forced the Bank of Greece to make in 1942.
Berlin and Athens should “jointly and amicably” take any other claims to
the International Court of Justice, Sarrazin said.
Groth went further, saying: “If you look at Greece’s debt and the European
Central Bank’s bond purchases every month, it puts the figure of 278.7
billion euros into perspective.”
She said the German government should, at the very least, talk to Athens
about how it came up with that figure.
“The German government’s categorical ‘Nein’ certainly cannot be allowed
to stand. That’s disgraceful 70 years after the end of the war,” Groth
said.
Gabriel did say that Germany needed to keep asking itself whether it had
done enough in connection with World War Two.
He said that while the “Treaty on the Final Settlement with respect to
Germany” signed in September 1990 by the then-West Germany and East Germany
with the four World War Two allies had put a “formal end” to the
reparations debate, Germany could not – for the foreseeable future — draw
a line under its responsibilities that arise from World War Two. | w****r 发帖数: 15252 | | t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 3 常校长放弃的,你总不能让老毛过几十年再去要回来。就算要,人家也不给啊,参考这
次希腊
【在 w****r 的大作中提到】 : 老毛子放弃了,现在没法要了
| w****r 发帖数: 15252 | 4 国民党政府不合法,不承认
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : 常校长放弃的,你总不能让老毛过几十年再去要回来。就算要,人家也不给啊,参考这 : 次希腊
| t*******y 发帖数: 21396 | 5 http://blog.boxun.com/freethinking/freetxt/lishi/ls032.htm
二、日本对中国的战争赔偿问题
1945年8月15日日本宣布无条件投降后,蒋介石当即发表了中国对日本“以德报
怨”的著名讲话。蒋介石虽然没有提到战争赔款一事,但确定了中国对日本宽大处理的
方针。1949年菲律宾派特使访问蒋介石,商讨共同对日索取赔款之事。蒋介石却说∶“
要对这次战争负责任的是日本军阀,而不是日本人民。要求日本人民负担战争赔偿的作
法是不公平的”。这初步表明蒋介石有放弃日本战争赔款的意思。1946年国民政府发表
的抗战期间的损失是∶军人死伤321万,财产损失133亿美元。
日本在旧金山讲和会议以后,在究竟与哪个中国政府打交道问题上踌躇不定。北
京和台北也私下活动,劝说日本和自己谈判将可以获得更宽大的处理。但美国却要求日
本和台湾的国府谈判,在美国的督促下,日本和台湾国府在1952年2月开始谈判,4月28
日结束,签订了“华日和平条约”。在华日和平条约中表明中华民国政府放弃要求日本
进行战争赔款的权力。
台湾的国府之所以放弃日本的战争赔款,其原因主要有三个∶第一是蒋介石的“
以德报怨” 对日政策;第二是国府退居台湾后国际地位大大降低,希望以放弃战争
赔款为代价换取日本对台湾在政治经济上的支持;第三是大中华思想的影响,别的大国
都放弃了日本的战争赔款,中国人也应该有个大国的样子,不应该象小国那样斤斤计较
战争赔款。
现在有一些文章说台湾的国府是在美国的压力下放弃战争赔款,这是不符合历史情
况的。当 然向日本索取几百亿美元的天文数字战争赔款美国当然不会同意,不过向
印尼、菲律宾那样索取10亿美元左右的战争赔款是没有太大问题的。不过日本人还是比
较感激蒋介石的“以德报怨”政策,不时有人撰文对蒋介石表示感谢。在附录中付上
1999年7月日本一份大报上登载的一个日本人写的感谢蒋介石的文章以及另一个日本人
的读后感。
【在 w****r 的大作中提到】 : 国民党政府不合法,不承认
| g***t 发帖数: 7544 | 6 甲午中国是战败国,一战日本是战胜国。
只有二战中国还能说说。
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【在 l*****7 的大作中提到】 : 希腊历害,要求三千亿美元二战赔偿!!! : 按这个方法计算甲午, 一战, 二战,日寇应该赔偿中国多少? : http://fortune.com/2015/04/07/greece-war-reparations-germany/ : Greece wants $300 billion for WWII reparations. Germany calls it ‘stupid’ : APRIL 7, 2015, 1:54 PM : Economy minister says Greece wants to squeeze a bit of leeway out of its : euro zone partners to help Athens overcome its debt crisis. : Germany’s economy minister branded Greece’s demand for 278.7 billion euros : (or roughly $300 billion) in reparations from World War Two as “stupid” : on Tuesday, while the German opposition said Berlin should repay a forced
| l*********u 发帖数: 19053 | 7 中国放弃赔偿了。。。结果,小日本连说声对不起都不愿意,民选首相还把Hitler级的
战犯,当神拜。
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【在 l*****7 的大作中提到】 : 希腊历害,要求三千亿美元二战赔偿!!! : 按这个方法计算甲午, 一战, 二战,日寇应该赔偿中国多少? : http://fortune.com/2015/04/07/greece-war-reparations-germany/ : Greece wants $300 billion for WWII reparations. Germany calls it ‘stupid’ : APRIL 7, 2015, 1:54 PM : Economy minister says Greece wants to squeeze a bit of leeway out of its : euro zone partners to help Athens overcome its debt crisis. : Germany’s economy minister branded Greece’s demand for 278.7 billion euros : (or roughly $300 billion) in reparations from World War Two as “stupid” : on Tuesday, while the German opposition said Berlin should repay a forced
| w*********e 发帖数: 241 | 8 http://dddnibelungen.blogspot.com/2015/03/blog-post_31.html
客观评价日本的战后赔偿
黎蜗藤
听闻童增被推荐为诺贝尔奖候选人,这里恭喜他。童增作为民间对日索偿第一人,做的
事情是很有意义的。
就此,也讨论一下日本对中国的赔偿问题。中国常说日本没有对中国进行赔偿,但其实
并不完全如此。
从战争结束一开始,盟军就讨论日本的赔偿问题。盟军把日本的赔偿形式分为三类:中
间赔偿,即把日本国内的工厂设备拆卸抵当赔偿金;海外资产赔偿,即把日本的海外资
产当作赔偿金;以现金和劳务形式的直接赔偿。
中国所谓的日本没有赔偿,其实仅仅是指第三项,即没有如同对东南亚各国一样,用现
金或劳务对中国进行赔偿。 | L**W 发帖数: 2277 | | c****x 发帖数: 6601 | 10 汉人为了自己那派上台,内斗是出了名的厉害。国共内斗,民进党斗国民党,到最后都
是倒贴嫖资便宜美国日本。
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : http://blog.boxun.com/freethinking/freetxt/lishi/ls032.htm : 二、日本对中国的战争赔偿问题 : 1945年8月15日日本宣布无条件投降后,蒋介石当即发表了中国对日本“以德报 : 怨”的著名讲话。蒋介石虽然没有提到战争赔款一事,但确定了中国对日本宽大处理的 : 方针。1949年菲律宾派特使访问蒋介石,商讨共同对日索取赔款之事。蒋介石却说∶“ : 要对这次战争负责任的是日本军阀,而不是日本人民。要求日本人民负担战争赔偿的作 : 法是不公平的”。这初步表明蒋介石有放弃日本战争赔款的意思。1946年国民政府发表 : 的抗战期间的损失是∶军人死伤321万,财产损失133亿美元。 : 日本在旧金山讲和会议以后,在究竟与哪个中国政府打交道问题上踌躇不定。北 : 京和台北也私下活动,劝说日本和自己谈判将可以获得更宽大的处理。但美国却要求日
| c****x 发帖数: 6601 | 11 汉人为了自己那派上台,内斗是出了名的厉害。国共内斗,民进党斗国民党,到最后都
是倒贴嫖资便宜美国日本。
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】 : http://blog.boxun.com/freethinking/freetxt/lishi/ls032.htm : 二、日本对中国的战争赔偿问题 : 1945年8月15日日本宣布无条件投降后,蒋介石当即发表了中国对日本“以德报 : 怨”的著名讲话。蒋介石虽然没有提到战争赔款一事,但确定了中国对日本宽大处理的 : 方针。1949年菲律宾派特使访问蒋介石,商讨共同对日索取赔款之事。蒋介石却说∶“ : 要对这次战争负责任的是日本军阀,而不是日本人民。要求日本人民负担战争赔偿的作 : 法是不公平的”。这初步表明蒋介石有放弃日本战争赔款的意思。1946年国民政府发表 : 的抗战期间的损失是∶军人死伤321万,财产损失133亿美元。 : 日本在旧金山讲和会议以后,在究竟与哪个中国政府打交道问题上踌躇不定。北 : 京和台北也私下活动,劝说日本和自己谈判将可以获得更宽大的处理。但美国却要求日
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