P********r
发帖数: 92 | 1 周末灌个水：版上不少attendings，想问大家是如何看待美国民间和媒体对 ’Ascian
Americans'的‘边缘化’和stereotype的问题。医生－无论是否在obamacare下会不会
‘broke'，从职业上都是令人尊重的。至少我的体会是这样的。不知道各attendings在
自己事业爬升中，是否还有心想‘无聊’的有关对亚男的Stereotype的问题。
CNN---Is Hollywood 'whitewashing' Asian roles? （大意吧，正派硬汉角色从不选
’Ascian Americans'，即便故事是‘功夫’或‘karote'等影片）
http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/13/is-hollywood-whitewas
扫了下流言，一边倒的认为亚男不行，还有好心人问为啥大惊小怪难道不知道'black
women and Ascian men are not popular'. 更有一redneck ’Natalie' wrote，‘
what kind of woman would marry Chinese'.
我想大家辛勤努力也希望孩子有更大的上升空间，可似乎Ascian Americans，的上升的
’环境‘很差呀。
Attendings们，在Occupy的眼中都不是 99％了（虽然我不认同啊）。仓廪实的在美行
医的Chinese医生们，what’s next？Anything you would potentially do to change
美乌合之众对大家的五毒？ 也欢迎统计教授的input／comments啊，为什么会pension＋
income 多的都稀里哗啦的往外掉了会没有老婆啊。。。 |
c**********m
发帖数: 2088 | 2 Personally I treat every student equally.
I agree with what you have said.
with tenure, I am in a safe stage, nobody can discriminate against me. With
this confidence, I do not fear any discrimination.
Ascian
选
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: 周末灌个水：版上不少attendings，想问大家是如何看待美国民间和媒体对 ’Ascian
: Americans'的‘边缘化’和stereotype的问题。医生－无论是否在obamacare下会不会
: ‘broke'，从职业上都是令人尊重的。至少我的体会是这样的。不知道各attendings在
: 自己事业爬升中，是否还有心想‘无聊’的有关对亚男的Stereotype的问题。
: CNN---Is Hollywood 'whitewashing' Asian roles? （大意吧，正派硬汉角色从不选
: ’Ascian Americans'，即便故事是‘功夫’或‘karote'等影片）
: http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/13/is-hollywood-whitewas
: 扫了下流言，一边倒的认为亚男不行，还有好心人问为啥大惊小怪难道不知道'black
: women and Ascian men are not popular'. 更有一redneck ’Natalie' wrote，‘
: what kind of woman would marry Chinese'.
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 3 很好的问题。
首先我们要面对现实， 白人是多数， Asian是少数， 太少了。 一些商业产品那么做
是有它的道理的。 如果葛优能让Hollywood的票房大增， 葛优照样可以当头牌。
其次， 任何民族都有redneck， 看看中国人歧视黑人，朝鲜人， 还有日本人的帖子，
那些网络语言又算什么呢？
任何人对陌生人都有警觉的本能， 不同种人之间的防范更是理所当然。 所以我不觉得
我会为这个而困扰。到中国， 我可能也会做同样的事。
但是我本人觉得美国是一个相对公平和宽松的国家， 我们大多数中国人在美国应该得
到了很多， 否则不会有这么多人在美国居留。
整体上， 中国人的形象是靠中国人自己来建立的。
论个人， 就是靠本事吃饭，所以我喜欢private practice。 做自己的主人， 不用看
别人的脸色。 而且， 作为医生来说， 尽管责任重大， 但感觉You are very needed
确实很好。
Ascian
选
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: 周末灌个水：版上不少attendings，想问大家是如何看待美国民间和媒体对 ’Ascian
: Americans'的‘边缘化’和stereotype的问题。医生－无论是否在obamacare下会不会
: ‘broke'，从职业上都是令人尊重的。至少我的体会是这样的。不知道各attendings在
: 自己事业爬升中，是否还有心想‘无聊’的有关对亚男的Stereotype的问题。
: CNN---Is Hollywood 'whitewashing' Asian roles? （大意吧，正派硬汉角色从不选
: ’Ascian Americans'，即便故事是‘功夫’或‘karote'等影片）
: http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/13/is-hollywood-whitewas
: 扫了下流言，一边倒的认为亚男不行，还有好心人问为啥大惊小怪难道不知道'black
: women and Ascian men are not popular'. 更有一redneck ’Natalie' wrote，‘
: what kind of woman would marry Chinese'.
|
c**********m
发帖数: 2088 | 4 中国人在美国，最好是tenure. 这是保证全家衣食无忧的关键，也能极大的提高自己的
自信。
当然，中国人自身的过硬的本领是充分条件是立足之本。。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 很好的问题。
: 首先我们要面对现实， 白人是多数， Asian是少数， 太少了。 一些商业产品那么做
: 是有它的道理的。 如果葛优能让Hollywood的票房大增， 葛优照样可以当头牌。
: 其次， 任何民族都有redneck， 看看中国人歧视黑人，朝鲜人， 还有日本人的帖子，
: 那些网络语言又算什么呢？
: 任何人对陌生人都有警觉的本能， 不同种人之间的防范更是理所当然。 所以我不觉得
: 我会为这个而困扰。到中国， 我可能也会做同样的事。
: 但是我本人觉得美国是一个相对公平和宽松的国家， 我们大多数中国人在美国应该得
: 到了很多， 否则不会有这么多人在美国居留。
: 整体上， 中国人的形象是靠中国人自己来建立的。
|
c**********m
发帖数: 2088 | 5 中国人有了tenure, 解雇其他白人也是轻松的事情。 |
P********r
发帖数: 92 | 6 I believe majority of people on this board are very skilled, competent and
good at what they are trained to do. I doubt if any get 'discriminated' or
left feeling uncomfortable at work place due to being a Chinese.
How about in other places where you r mingled with the everyday Joes, who do
not know if you r a doctor or a professor, tenured or not. After all
it is a bit too cheap to show your Title not to say to further attach the
info with 'tenured or not', say in a grocery store. :-)
How about 'outside the box'?
Here are some examples of things I've experienced that left some sort of bad
tastes even years later: 1.When I was in grad school, a close friend (white
girl) told me 'you are not like Chinese AT ALL'; 2. I went to public
library, a friendly caucasian lady after chatted with me, warmed up and
asked me if I am 'Japanese' and insisted that I do not like Chinese after I
told her where I originally came from. She even insisted she could tell 'the
differences between Chinese, Jap and Korens' after I told her I could not
tell based on 'judging from the cover'. I do not think in either cases I was
'discriminated' directly, but I do feel the deep 'Stereotype' toward
Chinese. 3. Girls were exchanging info on new guys, then one said she
recently hang out with a Chinese guy. The other girls made faces and giggled
'why?'
Individual wise, I guess even the 'internet rednecks' acknowledged 'Ascian'
and 'Chinese' (Many times I found seems inter-changable to lots of people)
good at science and tech, but then spin it into a negative comment.
It could be the approaching of MLK day that made me thought way too much.
Anyhow, happy Martin L King's weekend. :-) |
l***o
发帖数: 578 | 7 My rule is very simple: just be yourself, and hold your dignity.
I never want to hide my Chinese background. My skin color and accent clearly
show my ethnicity background. I just want to be myself. I told my patient
very candidly that I graduated from the medical school in China if they
asked.If they like me, just come to see me. If they dislike me or
discriminate me, just go to see anyone else. I DON'T CARE since I still have
other patients. As doctors, we must have the confidence about our clinical
skills as well as ourselves.
If anyone treats me unfairly just because of my ethnicity background, I am
going to fight back promptly. After so many years' life experience, we must
know how to fight back in American way. Don't give up or be nice. If you
fight up when it happens in the first time, I can gurantee it is not going
to happen again.
We must know our shortcoming and try to have self-improvement everyday.
I think that Asian Americans are getting stronger and stronger now. Whenever
facing any discrimination, we must stop it immediately. For example, when
the professor in UC Riverside left some inappropriate message about Chinese
in his website, we SHOULD NOT accept the final explanation of website
manager mistake from School investigation.
I think that some american is scared by stronger China and successful
Chinese in US.
I don't care how Hollywood distorts the Asian. I just let them know that I
am a Chinese and Licensed Physician in US. So What?
Ascian
选
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: 周末灌个水：版上不少attendings，想问大家是如何看待美国民间和媒体对 ’Ascian
: Americans'的‘边缘化’和stereotype的问题。医生－无论是否在obamacare下会不会
: ‘broke'，从职业上都是令人尊重的。至少我的体会是这样的。不知道各attendings在
: 自己事业爬升中，是否还有心想‘无聊’的有关对亚男的Stereotype的问题。
: CNN---Is Hollywood 'whitewashing' Asian roles? （大意吧，正派硬汉角色从不选
: ’Ascian Americans'，即便故事是‘功夫’或‘karote'等影片）
: http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/13/is-hollywood-whitewas
: 扫了下流言，一边倒的认为亚男不行，还有好心人问为啥大惊小怪难道不知道'black
: women and Ascian men are not popular'. 更有一redneck ’Natalie' wrote，‘
: what kind of woman would marry Chinese'.
|
m******r
发帖数: 1904 | 8 这个说得胎好了。向您致敬。
clearly
have
clinical
must
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: My rule is very simple: just be yourself, and hold your dignity.
: I never want to hide my Chinese background. My skin color and accent clearly
: show my ethnicity background. I just want to be myself. I told my patient
: very candidly that I graduated from the medical school in China if they
: asked.If they like me, just come to see me. If they dislike me or
: discriminate me, just go to see anyone else. I DON'T CARE since I still have
: other patients. As doctors, we must have the confidence about our clinical
: skills as well as ourselves.
: If anyone treats me unfairly just because of my ethnicity background, I am
: going to fight back promptly. After so many years' life experience, we must
|
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 9 被主流媒体洗脑的蠢女人你娶来干什么？就为了让自己孩子智商向下平均吗？
Ascian
选
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: 周末灌个水：版上不少attendings，想问大家是如何看待美国民间和媒体对 ’Ascian
: Americans'的‘边缘化’和stereotype的问题。医生－无论是否在obamacare下会不会
: ‘broke'，从职业上都是令人尊重的。至少我的体会是这样的。不知道各attendings在
: 自己事业爬升中，是否还有心想‘无聊’的有关对亚男的Stereotype的问题。
: CNN---Is Hollywood 'whitewashing' Asian roles? （大意吧，正派硬汉角色从不选
: ’Ascian Americans'，即便故事是‘功夫’或‘karote'等影片）
: http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/13/is-hollywood-whitewas
: 扫了下流言，一边倒的认为亚男不行，还有好心人问为啥大惊小怪难道不知道'black
: women and Ascian men are not popular'. 更有一redneck ’Natalie' wrote，‘
: what kind of woman would marry Chinese'.
|
c**********m
发帖数: 2088 | 10 To many men, they marry pretty faces of women.
Professors like smart brains of women.
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 被主流媒体洗脑的蠢女人你娶来干什么？就为了让自己孩子智商向下平均吗？
:
: Ascian
: 选
|
|
|
h**i
发帖数: 414 | 11 太赞同了！能不能展开谈谈在不同的情景中如何fight back? 我经常在应该fight
back 的时候大脑僵化，无语以对。
clearly
have
clinical
must
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: My rule is very simple: just be yourself, and hold your dignity.
: I never want to hide my Chinese background. My skin color and accent clearly
: show my ethnicity background. I just want to be myself. I told my patient
: very candidly that I graduated from the medical school in China if they
: asked.If they like me, just come to see me. If they dislike me or
: discriminate me, just go to see anyone else. I DON'T CARE since I still have
: other patients. As doctors, we must have the confidence about our clinical
: skills as well as ourselves.
: If anyone treats me unfairly just because of my ethnicity background, I am
: going to fight back promptly. After so many years' life experience, we must
|
l***o
发帖数: 578 | 12 It is not hard to fight back in American way.
First of all, you must know what happened. You have to ask around. No rush,
no angry. Calm down first.
Then you must to know the policies of hospital.
If you can find alliances to fight with you at the same time, it will be
perfect.
Before you fight, you have to know whom you are dealing with. It is a
Chairman, Nurse manager, nurse, or Attending? What is his/her role in the
hospital? What are you fighting for? What is his/her shortcoming?
Making a strategy for each step. The key point is that you have the hospital
policy or law to back you up for each step.
Controlling you mood. Don't speak aloud. Don't have any phyisical assault.
Don't mention racial discrimination. It is too sensitive. Everyone know it
in his/her deep mind.
If you don't want to talk too much with that person, you may end the
conversation like this:" I don't it is appropriate to discuss this issue now
. Could we talk about later?"
If you decide to fight back, you must make him/her feel the pain. Don't be
nice. If you initiate the process, you have no way to stop in the middle.
Sending memmo or email to your and your opponent's superviser about each
step. |
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 13 Well said but not easy to do.
Fighting is an art not simply being loud. :)
,
hospital
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: It is not hard to fight back in American way.
: First of all, you must know what happened. You have to ask around. No rush,
: no angry. Calm down first.
: Then you must to know the policies of hospital.
: If you can find alliances to fight with you at the same time, it will be
: perfect.
: Before you fight, you have to know whom you are dealing with. It is a
: Chairman, Nurse manager, nurse, or Attending? What is his/her role in the
: hospital? What are you fighting for? What is his/her shortcoming?
: Making a strategy for each step. The key point is that you have the hospital
|
z**n
发帖数: 22303 | 14 看到中国姑娘对各色人种慷慨的献出身体甚至为他们贩毒牺牲生命，我不得不说你这个
中国人对不同种人的防范也是一样的结论是完全错误的。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 很好的问题。
: 首先我们要面对现实， 白人是多数， Asian是少数， 太少了。 一些商业产品那么做
: 是有它的道理的。 如果葛优能让Hollywood的票房大增， 葛优照样可以当头牌。
: 其次， 任何民族都有redneck， 看看中国人歧视黑人，朝鲜人， 还有日本人的帖子，
: 那些网络语言又算什么呢？
: 任何人对陌生人都有警觉的本能， 不同种人之间的防范更是理所当然。 所以我不觉得
: 我会为这个而困扰。到中国， 我可能也会做同样的事。
: 但是我本人觉得美国是一个相对公平和宽松的国家， 我们大多数中国人在美国应该得
: 到了很多， 否则不会有这么多人在美国居留。
: 整体上， 中国人的形象是靠中国人自己来建立的。
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 15 中国人要团结， 要积极参与社会活动， 包括选举。 中国医生要有自己的组织， 服务
社区， 服务大众， etc
显然这些都是大道理， 但古人都知道仓廪实而知美德，所以中国医生做到这些只是时
间问题。
我们是第一代移民，但愿我们的下一代会做得更好。
Attendings们，在Occupy的眼中都不是 99％了（虽然我不认同啊）。仓廪实的在美行
医的Chinese医生们，what’s next？Anything you would potentially do to change
美乌合之众对大家的五毒？ 也欢迎统计教授的input／comments啊，为什么会pension＋
income 多的都稀里哗啦的往外掉了会没有老婆啊。。。
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: I believe majority of people on this board are very skilled, competent and
: good at what they are trained to do. I doubt if any get 'discriminated' or
: left feeling uncomfortable at work place due to being a Chinese.
: How about in other places where you r mingled with the everyday Joes, who do
: not know if you r a doctor or a professor, tenured or not. After all
: it is a bit too cheap to show your Title not to say to further attach the
: info with 'tenured or not', say in a grocery store. :-)
: How about 'outside the box'?
: Here are some examples of things I've experienced that left some sort of bad
: tastes even years later: 1.When I was in grad school, a close friend (white
|
a********n
发帖数: 182 | 16 An interesting topic.
说说我朋友遭遇到的歧视吧。她是国内名校毕业的女生，两年前做完住院医。去年夏天
换了一新工作，工资是比前一份工作高了不少，很高兴地走马上任。她的GROUP对她那
是没得说，接待安排都挺好。问题是医院。ORIENTATION的时候，和另外一亚裔男但是
AMG一起，都是一个科室，按说在SECTION开会的时候，应该是同时介绍吧，人家
MEDICAL STAFF OFFICE的头却不，只介绍了那个AMG 男医生，把她放到OTHER BUSINESS
里，说某某在某日加入MEDICAL STAFF. 这也就算了，她当时也没有计较太多，关键是
也没有反应过来。接下来发生的事情就让她忍无可忍了。
先是两次在她不ON CALL 的时候，医院在半夜叫她收病人，ATTENDING C/S,她当然拒绝
了，告诉医院她不ON CALL,叫他们找ON CALL 的医生，她还天真的以为以为这事就过去
了。没想到MEDICAL STAFF OFFICE召集会议讨论,说这是个INCIDENT,护士告的，当时把
她气蒙了，就说要RESIGN,联想起以前的遭遇，说他们DISCRIMINATION。可恨没有人承
认呐。
再往后，医院更是拿放大镜对她，说她这个PROCEDURE没做好，那个没做好，要她签字
承认自己需要进一步的TRAINING.她拒接了，因为根本就没有问题。在这个时候医院联
合她的GROUP，GROUP的CEO提出给她3个月的工资，要把她解雇。
大家过来评一评，她有没有可能告这个医院DISCRIMINATION呢？还是拿3个月的工资走
人，这口气就忍了，MOVE ON.
看了李永告雷神的DESCRIMINATION一案，她感觉要告倒医院也不容易的啊。 |
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 17 你老兄走极端了。
【在 z**n 的大作中提到】
: 看到中国姑娘对各色人种慷慨的献出身体甚至为他们贩毒牺牲生命，我不得不说你这个
: 中国人对不同种人的防范也是一样的结论是完全错误的。
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 18 与医院的纠葛， 任何医生都有。 一个老美说的好， 医院只不过对某些医生偏爱一些
， 其他医生就是被F了。 医院不是医生的朋友。
但处理问题的方法， 我们可以尽可能地艺术一些。 比方说半夜oncall的事， 如果是
我，既然我answer了这个page， 我可能会了解一下是什么问题， 而不是简单的告诉ER
我不oncall， 毕竟我也可能搞错了， 而且病人总得有人收吧？ 没人收， 我会去收，
第二天去搞清楚谁的责任。 如果是他人的错， 你在group的形象就提高了。
在resident training时， PD最厌烦那些接了page而不管事的resident， 最后都是
chief resident/PD的事. 我对此现在还是记忆犹新。
BUSINESS
【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: An interesting topic.
: 说说我朋友遭遇到的歧视吧。她是国内名校毕业的女生，两年前做完住院医。去年夏天
: 换了一新工作，工资是比前一份工作高了不少，很高兴地走马上任。她的GROUP对她那
: 是没得说，接待安排都挺好。问题是医院。ORIENTATION的时候，和另外一亚裔男但是
: AMG一起，都是一个科室，按说在SECTION开会的时候，应该是同时介绍吧，人家
: MEDICAL STAFF OFFICE的头却不，只介绍了那个AMG 男医生，把她放到OTHER BUSINESS
: 里，说某某在某日加入MEDICAL STAFF. 这也就算了，她当时也没有计较太多，关键是
: 也没有反应过来。接下来发生的事情就让她忍无可忍了。
: 先是两次在她不ON CALL 的时候，医院在半夜叫她收病人，ATTENDING C/S,她当然拒绝
: 了，告诉医院她不ON CALL,叫他们找ON CALL 的医生，她还天真的以为以为这事就过去
|
a********n
发帖数: 182 | 19 谢谢回复。
这个事我怎么看也是医院的不对喔。关键是医院当时也找到ON CALL 的医生了，人家也
去了。她们是Q3的ON CALL,第二天下午也没得休息的哟。
医院这种对新来的医生一个下马威的方法真让人寒心呐。 |
k********n
发帖数: 756 | 20 She has to talk and handle the conflicts in the Americanized nice and
professional way.
【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢回复。
: 这个事我怎么看也是医院的不对喔。关键是医院当时也找到ON CALL 的医生了，人家也
: 去了。她们是Q3的ON CALL,第二天下午也没得休息的哟。
: 医院这种对新来的医生一个下马威的方法真让人寒心呐。
|
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a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 21 这种he say she say 的事情，外人很难作评，有时候理都在你这里，但是一句话说得
人家不爱听，你就都没理了。
这个老中老外都一样的，区别是老中有时候英文不好，说话直愣愣吃了亏。
BUSINESS
【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: An interesting topic.
: 说说我朋友遭遇到的歧视吧。她是国内名校毕业的女生，两年前做完住院医。去年夏天
: 换了一新工作，工资是比前一份工作高了不少，很高兴地走马上任。她的GROUP对她那
: 是没得说，接待安排都挺好。问题是医院。ORIENTATION的时候，和另外一亚裔男但是
: AMG一起，都是一个科室，按说在SECTION开会的时候，应该是同时介绍吧，人家
: MEDICAL STAFF OFFICE的头却不，只介绍了那个AMG 男医生，把她放到OTHER BUSINESS
: 里，说某某在某日加入MEDICAL STAFF. 这也就算了，她当时也没有计较太多，关键是
: 也没有反应过来。接下来发生的事情就让她忍无可忍了。
: 先是两次在她不ON CALL 的时候，医院在半夜叫她收病人，ATTENDING C/S,她当然拒绝
: 了，告诉医院她不ON CALL,叫他们找ON CALL 的医生，她还天真的以为以为这事就过去
|
a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 22 其实这种话题没啥好说得，混得好的，在那里都混得好，跟肤色没关系，实力说话。那
种评论里不要嫁给中国人的白女，说实话我看这里的中国医生还未必看得上呢。
在国内大学医院实习作住院的时候，大家难道都忘记了，外地来的进修医生，连护士都
颐指气使，大家还都是黄皮肤的呢。但是如果那个进修医生考了研，镀了金，留下来作
了副主任，谁还敢说个不字。
在人家地盘上，抢了人家的食，还是好食，自然要多花点功夫，自己有了气场，人家就
不敢明着把你怎么样，暗地里心理怎么不痛快，那时他的事情。
Ascian
选
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: 周末灌个水：版上不少attendings，想问大家是如何看待美国民间和媒体对 ’Ascian
: Americans'的‘边缘化’和stereotype的问题。医生－无论是否在obamacare下会不会
: ‘broke'，从职业上都是令人尊重的。至少我的体会是这样的。不知道各attendings在
: 自己事业爬升中，是否还有心想‘无聊’的有关对亚男的Stereotype的问题。
: CNN---Is Hollywood 'whitewashing' Asian roles? （大意吧，正派硬汉角色从不选
: ’Ascian Americans'，即便故事是‘功夫’或‘karote'等影片）
: http://inamerica.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/13/is-hollywood-whitewas
: 扫了下流言，一边倒的认为亚男不行，还有好心人问为啥大惊小怪难道不知道'black
: women and Ascian men are not popular'. 更有一redneck ’Natalie' wrote，‘
: what kind of woman would marry Chinese'.
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l********o
发帖数: 4272 | 23 good point!!
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 很好的问题。
: 首先我们要面对现实， 白人是多数， Asian是少数， 太少了。 一些商业产品那么做
: 是有它的道理的。 如果葛优能让Hollywood的票房大增， 葛优照样可以当头牌。
: 其次， 任何民族都有redneck， 看看中国人歧视黑人，朝鲜人， 还有日本人的帖子，
: 那些网络语言又算什么呢？
: 任何人对陌生人都有警觉的本能， 不同种人之间的防范更是理所当然。 所以我不觉得
: 我会为这个而困扰。到中国， 我可能也会做同样的事。
: 但是我本人觉得美国是一个相对公平和宽松的国家， 我们大多数中国人在美国应该得
: 到了很多， 否则不会有这么多人在美国居留。
: 整体上， 中国人的形象是靠中国人自己来建立的。
|
P********r
发帖数: 92 | 24 讲的真好，读着都特受鼓励。：－）也谢谢分享策略。希望有更多的事业有成的
Chinese象您一样，不是自扫门前血。不知道ＵC Riverside 的事， 但ＵC SD 的那个
化学教授对Chinese歧视的的事好似当时mit也相当不平静了一段。似乎也不了了之了。
。。
也特赞同不能always be nice. :-)
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: My rule is very simple: just be yourself, and hold your dignity.
: I never want to hide my Chinese background. My skin color and accent clearly
: show my ethnicity background. I just want to be myself. I told my patient
: very candidly that I graduated from the medical school in China if they
: asked.If they like me, just come to see me. If they dislike me or
: discriminate me, just go to see anyone else. I DON'T CARE since I still have
: other patients. As doctors, we must have the confidence about our clinical
: skills as well as ourselves.
: If anyone treats me unfairly just because of my ethnicity background, I am
: going to fight back promptly. After so many years' life experience, we must
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P********r
发帖数: 92 | 25 不赞同个体化的’强人在那都强‘在 Discrimination 中的分量。李小龙强，很多白垃
圾都在当年极度的对亚裔男的丑化的Stereotype的状况下敬重他；可我想他恐也是 强
烈体验 Discrimination 而 正面 Discrimination 和 stereotype 的强人。弱者或心
里素质不强的我以为会deny Discrimination 的存在吧。
早年我还grad student问过Chinese resident or Professors，或postdoc，大多是：1
。多想无异，好好学习曾进实力是硬道理；2。这比中国强多了，当年我到北京，被嘲
笑口音都不敢开口说话，你看我，谁笑话我的英语呀，美国学生一样教呀；3。除了精
英，大多数美国人就是乌合之众，你有钱了，他们就尊敬你；总之好好学习。：－）
一晃在美国这么多年了。我想我越来越不认为1。你强就没人Discrimination 你；2。
你有钱就有尊敬
***我那时在grad school，几个白MM不是 Ph.D candidates 就是 MD.PH.D// If they
are white trash, I may not even bother to be shocked.
【在 a*********d 的大作中提到】
: 其实这种话题没啥好说得，混得好的，在那里都混得好，跟肤色没关系，实力说话。那
: 种评论里不要嫁给中国人的白女，说实话我看这里的中国医生还未必看得上呢。
: 在国内大学医院实习作住院的时候，大家难道都忘记了，外地来的进修医生，连护士都
: 颐指气使，大家还都是黄皮肤的呢。但是如果那个进修医生考了研，镀了金，留下来作
: 了副主任，谁还敢说个不字。
: 在人家地盘上，抢了人家的食，还是好食，自然要多花点功夫，自己有了气场，人家就
: 不敢明着把你怎么样，暗地里心理怎么不痛快，那时他的事情。
:
: Ascian
: 选
|
P********r
发帖数: 92 | 26 一晃在美国这么多年了。我想我越来越不认为1。你强就没人Discrimination 你；2。
你有钱就有尊敬
This happened after Obama was elected (so, it is not an ancient story). I
was selected to host an event where the dean of xxx school of medicine was
invited for visiting and give talks in both an open seminar and small groups
meetings. xxx school of medicine is one of the top US med schools. Several
things struck me and I suspected they might have caused my brain damage
which has not recovered to date. I would like to share with you today:
1. An African American fellow asked Q following open seminar, saying it's
hard for him to land a job, sth like that. I was shocked since I thought it'
s inappropriate Q. He, however, extremely sympathy, in front of all the
audience, asked quick Qs of that guy's back ground (like asking a pt's
history); What surprised me more was he told this fellow, 'please come to
see me after this, I'd like to make sure to have your contact. I can help' ---- I was
shocked since I wondered what would be happening if this is a Chinese Dean
and a Chinese fellow or postdoc; Or what if I was him standing on the podium
and a Chinese fellow asked me.. (You may know by now, that this Dean is an
Afro himself... )
2. After a dinner, I was one of several escorted him back to hotel. He said
how he was called 'nig**' at at a store while waiting to check out several
months ago. He went ahead told that panic mom 'maybe you should not scold
your kid, scold yourself.' ----- that story from this Dean's mouth changed
my mindset of 强人在那都强; 被歧视的都是’弱者‘。Rather, it could be you
are pre-labeled as 'Inferior‘ to be discriminated before you'd have a chance
to blur out 'tenured professor', 'prominent doctor', or '我爸是李刚’。
3. It's also him, who told me how Chinese researchers were 'discriminated'
in their med school. Full time Postdocs were having barely $20,000 yearly
income. He made the policy to make sure these Chinese postdocs were treated equally.
He, so I have heard, won some prestigous award side by side with President
Obama.
He is a soft speaker with strong message. His voice was so soft that I
wonder if the percussion in my brain is ever curable. He might long forgot a
small potato like me, but he did make a deep impression in me. And making
me did lots of reflections on this coming Martin L Kings day... |
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 27 its not "NOT SIMPLY BEING LOUD", rather you can't be loud. If you raise
your voice, you loose.
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Well said but not easy to do.
: Fighting is an art not simply being loud. :)
:
: ,
: hospital
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P********r
发帖数: 92 | 28 Hum, I agree Hollywood is profit-driven. It's OK to feature white actors if
they 'believe' that's part of the selling points.
But if the 'ugly' little, evil, babaric Ascian men is also part to make
profit, it's sad. Why Ascians, even 帅叔如李连节 is always the most skilled,
cold-blooded ugly killer...
Actually I was glad to read that CNN 'whitewashing' story, it shows up in
CNN per se, is already a big improvement, isn't it?!
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 很好的问题。
: 首先我们要面对现实， 白人是多数， Asian是少数， 太少了。 一些商业产品那么做
: 是有它的道理的。 如果葛优能让Hollywood的票房大增， 葛优照样可以当头牌。
: 其次， 任何民族都有redneck， 看看中国人歧视黑人，朝鲜人， 还有日本人的帖子，
: 那些网络语言又算什么呢？
: 任何人对陌生人都有警觉的本能， 不同种人之间的防范更是理所当然。 所以我不觉得
: 我会为这个而困扰。到中国， 我可能也会做同样的事。
: 但是我本人觉得美国是一个相对公平和宽松的国家， 我们大多数中国人在美国应该得
: 到了很多， 否则不会有这么多人在美国居留。
: 整体上， 中国人的形象是靠中国人自己来建立的。
|
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 29 这个要说discriminate, 也是discriminate FMG吧， 跟楼上探讨的discriminate
against Asian又复杂了一些。
sounds like your friend is having a rough time at the new job.
Unfortunately. this is actually typical how politics works at hospital. She
had somehow, someway stepped on someones toe without knowing it...the key to
do now is plan well ahead - leave this place on a good term, don't let it
spill over to your next job. learn something from the experience: people
who smile sweetly in front of you not necessarily do that behind you. Income
is important, but believe me, happy working environment is way more
important.
BUSINESS
【在 a********n 的大作中提到】
: An interesting topic.
: 说说我朋友遭遇到的歧视吧。她是国内名校毕业的女生，两年前做完住院医。去年夏天
: 换了一新工作，工资是比前一份工作高了不少，很高兴地走马上任。她的GROUP对她那
: 是没得说，接待安排都挺好。问题是医院。ORIENTATION的时候，和另外一亚裔男但是
: AMG一起，都是一个科室，按说在SECTION开会的时候，应该是同时介绍吧，人家
: MEDICAL STAFF OFFICE的头却不，只介绍了那个AMG 男医生，把她放到OTHER BUSINESS
: 里，说某某在某日加入MEDICAL STAFF. 这也就算了，她当时也没有计较太多，关键是
: 也没有反应过来。接下来发生的事情就让她忍无可忍了。
: 先是两次在她不ON CALL 的时候，医院在半夜叫她收病人，ATTENDING C/S,她当然拒绝
: 了，告诉医院她不ON CALL,叫他们找ON CALL 的医生，她还天真的以为以为这事就过去
|
a**2
发帖数: 47 | 30 This is a very good topic. |
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 31 1. 历史原因， 中国人就是来自红色中国， 现在中国还是communist， 你想让美国人
怎么对你？ 我觉得大部分美国人的胸怀应该是很宽阔了， 如果位置倒过来， 经济强
大的中国对一穷二白的美国留学生什么态度， 根本都不用我说。 我在clinic经常被问
到问题之一是你是从哪个国家来的， 一说是中国， 要么不做声， 要么说二次世界大
战我到过中国， 没有一句恭维的。 这就是现实。
2. 中国是美国的假想敌从另一方面说明中国强大了， 可以做美国的对手了。 这是值
得中国人骄傲的。 Hollywood怎么宣传， 我不觉得怎么样。 有一点大家要明白， 共
产党的中国不是美国帝国主义的朋友， 顶多贸易伙伴而已。
if
skilled,
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: Hum, I agree Hollywood is profit-driven. It's OK to feature white actors if
: they 'believe' that's part of the selling points.
: But if the 'ugly' little, evil, babaric Ascian men is also part to make
: profit, it's sad. Why Ascians, even 帅叔如李连节 is always the most skilled,
: cold-blooded ugly killer...
: Actually I was glad to read that CNN 'whitewashing' story, it shows up in
: CNN per se, is already a big improvement, isn't it?!
|
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 32 well, the stereotype is there, well before you and i came. and it's not
because of hollywood: hollywood caters to the audience, they don't lead,
rather just follow what they perceive the public would like to see.
i didn't particularly get your point in your example of the fellow in your
med school dean story. Maybe you want to indicate that the black guy dare to
ask a personal question in a public setting? I personally don't think it's
the best way, and don't think it will change the stereotype any bit even if
everyone of us start doing that in the future :-)
if
skilled,
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: Hum, I agree Hollywood is profit-driven. It's OK to feature white actors if
: they 'believe' that's part of the selling points.
: But if the 'ugly' little, evil, babaric Ascian men is also part to make
: profit, it's sad. Why Ascians, even 帅叔如李连节 is always the most skilled,
: cold-blooded ugly killer...
: Actually I was glad to read that CNN 'whitewashing' story, it shows up in
: CNN per se, is already a big improvement, isn't it?!
|
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 33 我只是打个比方。 ：）
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: its not "NOT SIMPLY BEING LOUD", rather you can't be loud. If you raise
: your voice, you loose.
|
c**********m
发帖数: 2088 | 34 my rule is simple. Get your tenure. that's it. |
A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 35 别说是医生， 就是AP也看不上。 一个朋友的大哥在一个community college做faculty
， 离婚后， 一个白女找上门，一定要嫁给他， 据说是撵都撵不走，最后叫了警察。
后来他找了个中国人。
【在 a*********d 的大作中提到】
: 其实这种话题没啥好说得，混得好的，在那里都混得好，跟肤色没关系，实力说话。那
: 种评论里不要嫁给中国人的白女，说实话我看这里的中国医生还未必看得上呢。
: 在国内大学医院实习作住院的时候，大家难道都忘记了，外地来的进修医生，连护士都
: 颐指气使，大家还都是黄皮肤的呢。但是如果那个进修医生考了研，镀了金，留下来作
: 了副主任，谁还敢说个不字。
: 在人家地盘上，抢了人家的食，还是好食，自然要多花点功夫，自己有了气场，人家就
: 不敢明着把你怎么样，暗地里心理怎么不痛快，那时他的事情。
:
: Ascian
: 选
|
c**********m
发帖数: 2088 | 36 第一次听到这样的美事，呵呵
我显然比那个AP要优秀一些， 呵呵
faculty
。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 别说是医生， 就是AP也看不上。 一个朋友的大哥在一个community college做faculty
: ， 离婚后， 一个白女找上门，一定要嫁给他， 据说是撵都撵不走，最后叫了警察。
: 后来他找了个中国人。
|
a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 37 回帖之前，我实在忍不住说一句，我每次看您的帖子，都觉得自己英文中文好差，看了半天，都不能
直接看到你的point，兜半天。
来了美国多久了到现在还没想清楚么，不就是过日子了么，要是真的这么在乎存在感，那早几年求着
人要来的时候倒没说你们歧视我，我不爱来。是不是这几年有钱有闲了，觉得社会地位没有跟上您的
经济地位了，觉着苦日子终于到头了，该受点尊重了？问题是人家WASP几代白人下来，比您早来好几
百年，审美感早就形成了，您硬要人家好莱坞们都跟韩国日本靠拢，欣赏您的亚洲脸，不觉
得有点强人所难么？
那种放个亚洲丑角的电影，从来不是什么严肃电影，一本正经看了心里一肚子气又要跑来说歧视，那
些talk show里被嘲笑的政客明星们都不用活了。
：1
they
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: 不赞同个体化的’强人在那都强‘在 Discrimination 中的分量。李小龙强，很多白垃
: 圾都在当年极度的对亚裔男的丑化的Stereotype的状况下敬重他；可我想他恐也是 强
: 烈体验 Discrimination 而 正面 Discrimination 和 stereotype 的强人。弱者或心
: 里素质不强的我以为会deny Discrimination 的存在吧。
: 早年我还grad student问过Chinese resident or Professors，或postdoc，大多是：1
: 。多想无异，好好学习曾进实力是硬道理；2。这比中国强多了，当年我到北京，被嘲
: 笑口音都不敢开口说话，你看我，谁笑话我的英语呀，美国学生一样教呀；3。除了精
: 英，大多数美国人就是乌合之众，你有钱了，他们就尊敬你；总之好好学习。：－）
: 一晃在美国这么多年了。我想我越来越不认为1。你强就没人Discrimination 你；2。
: 你有钱就有尊敬
|
P********r
发帖数: 92 | 38 Sorry that I didn't not make it clear. He asked that guy's professional
training, not that personal Qs. :-) PS: I could be sleep-deprived those days
and v dumb---- his skin color is not even "BLACK", it's much lighter than
the President and all the Ascians that I know. I wasn't sure if I should ask
him on that issue, therefore I did not. Later I figured it was like that TV
soap named 女奴 that I saw when I was little, and that 女奴 is totally '
White' in skin color.
Apology for jotting down things without thinking of the flow or editing, I
should have put that point to the last part since I believe it is 'things'
people can do to 'help and change' the situation for the next generation?
i didn't particularly get your point in your example of the fellow in your
med school dean story. Maybe you want to indicate that the black guy dare to
ask a personal question in a public setting? I personally don't think it's
the best way, and don't think it will change the stereotype any bit even if
everyone of us start doing that in the future :-)
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: well, the stereotype is there, well before you and i came. and it's not
: because of hollywood: hollywood caters to the audience, they don't lead,
: rather just follow what they perceive the public would like to see.
: i didn't particularly get your point in your example of the fellow in your
: med school dean story. Maybe you want to indicate that the black guy dare to
: ask a personal question in a public setting? I personally don't think it's
: the best way, and don't think it will change the stereotype any bit even if
: everyone of us start doing that in the future :-)
:
: if
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 39 嗯， 换位思考。
了半天，都不能
，那早几年求着
位没有跟上您的
，比您早来好几
，不觉
跑来说歧视，那
【在 a*********d 的大作中提到】
: 回帖之前，我实在忍不住说一句，我每次看您的帖子，都觉得自己英文中文好差，看了半天，都不能
: 直接看到你的point，兜半天。
: 来了美国多久了到现在还没想清楚么，不就是过日子了么，要是真的这么在乎存在感，那早几年求着
: 人要来的时候倒没说你们歧视我，我不爱来。是不是这几年有钱有闲了，觉得社会地位没有跟上您的
: 经济地位了，觉着苦日子终于到头了，该受点尊重了？问题是人家WASP几代白人下来，比您早来好几
: 百年，审美感早就形成了，您硬要人家好莱坞们都跟韩国日本靠拢，欣赏您的亚洲脸，不觉
: 得有点强人所难么？
: 那种放个亚洲丑角的电影，从来不是什么严肃电影，一本正经看了心里一肚子气又要跑来说歧视，那
: 些talk show里被嘲笑的政客明星们都不用活了。
:
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P********r
发帖数: 92 | 40 斑竹 sounds rather soft and trying to help the White to justify the '
Stereotype'? :-/
If your argument holds water, why is there no Jap heros (OK, there is the
Pearl Harbor...), how about Philipinos :-) Or just any Ascian American GUY..
...
@Lexian, it seems like it's doomed since it's passed down from early
generations of Chinese before we even learned to write ABCs...
************
Is the message that we should accept the fact of Chinese/Ascian Guy's
Stereotype and Live With it? Anything could be done pro-actively or we
should wait and let the evolution take the cause, and wish the best for our
Next Generation BOYS?
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 1. 历史原因， 中国人就是来自红色中国， 现在中国还是communist， 你想让美国人
: 怎么对你？ 我觉得大部分美国人的胸怀应该是很宽阔了， 如果位置倒过来， 经济强
: 大的中国对一穷二白的美国留学生什么态度， 根本都不用我说。 我在clinic经常被问
: 到问题之一是你是从哪个国家来的， 一说是中国， 要么不做声， 要么说二次世界大
: 战我到过中国， 没有一句恭维的。 这就是现实。
: 2. 中国是美国的假想敌从另一方面说明中国强大了， 可以做美国的对手了。 这是值
: 得中国人骄傲的。 Hollywood怎么宣传， 我不觉得怎么样。 有一点大家要明白， 共
: 产党的中国不是美国帝国主义的朋友， 顶多贸易伙伴而已。
:
: if
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P********r
发帖数: 92 | 41 1。Re：我每次看您的帖子，都觉得自己英文中文好差--- 不好意思，是我自己英文中
文都不好。很少发帖，也没经验
2。I respectfully disagree with you on the 'rise of China' part. I doubt wether
the status of Asian Americans has anything to do with the 'rise or down' of
China or any other country in Asia?!
3. 我没‘硬要人家好莱坞们都跟韩国日本靠拢，欣赏亚洲脸，也没想强人所难’。我只是
在CNN主页上看到了，读了，还没事又扫了留言。我一直‘学院派’的。真的在象牙塔
里没功夫抬头的也没读过／经历这么直白的对‘Ascian American guys’的五毒的。正
逢MLK day，我一时好奇，事业有成的大家是咋想的，才起了题。
4。也不同意您‘来了美国多久了到现在还没想清楚么，不就是过日子了么，要是真的
这么在乎存在感，那早几年求着人要来的时候倒没说你们歧视我，我不爱来’。我以为
来美国的很多中国人正是因为‘在乎存在感’才来到这个‘自由世界’的。也正是‘在乎存在感’
才千辛万苦考boards，还要fellowship后才在美国行医的吧。但不是说这里就没有可提
高的余地了，一说怎么可以更好就被质问那为嘛来，还赖在这干什么。你说捏？
5。政客明星，celebrities，公众人物，想咋 trash 咋来吧；弱势的有吗？
话涝了，打中文太慢了。
了半天，都不能
，那早几年求着
位没有跟上您的
，比您早来好几
，不觉
跑来说歧视，那
【在 a*********d 的大作中提到】
: 回帖之前，我实在忍不住说一句，我每次看您的帖子，都觉得自己英文中文好差，看了半天，都不能
: 直接看到你的point，兜半天。
: 来了美国多久了到现在还没想清楚么，不就是过日子了么，要是真的这么在乎存在感，那早几年求着
: 人要来的时候倒没说你们歧视我，我不爱来。是不是这几年有钱有闲了，觉得社会地位没有跟上您的
: 经济地位了，觉着苦日子终于到头了，该受点尊重了？问题是人家WASP几代白人下来，比您早来好几
: 百年，审美感早就形成了，您硬要人家好莱坞们都跟韩国日本靠拢，欣赏您的亚洲脸，不觉
: 得有点强人所难么？
: 那种放个亚洲丑角的电影，从来不是什么严肃电影，一本正经看了心里一肚子气又要跑来说歧视，那
: 些talk show里被嘲笑的政客明星们都不用活了。
:
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P********r
发帖数: 92 | 42 Re这个，咋没看到哈。嗯，希望只是时间问题。
也祝各位医生和准医生的家里都人丁兴旺。
以中国医生做到这些只是时
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 中国人要团结， 要积极参与社会活动， 包括选举。 中国医生要有自己的组织， 服务
: 社区， 服务大众， etc
: 显然这些都是大道理， 但古人都知道仓廪实而知美德，所以中国医生做到这些只是时
: 间问题。
: 我们是第一代移民，但愿我们的下一代会做得更好。
:
: Attendings们，在Occupy的眼中都不是 99％了（虽然我不认同啊）。仓廪实的在美行
: 医的Chinese医生们，what’s next？Anything you would potentially do to change
: 美乌合之众对大家的五毒？ 也欢迎统计教授的input／comments啊，为什么会pension＋
: income 多的都稀里哗啦的往外掉了会没有老婆啊。。。
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 43 你看到刘莉莉的非你莫属了吧？ 你觉得主持人对海归的stereotype跟美国人对Asian的
stereotype那个更不能接受呢？
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: Re这个，咋没看到哈。嗯，希望只是时间问题。
: 也祝各位医生和准医生的家里都人丁兴旺。
:
: 以中国医生做到这些只是时
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P********r
发帖数: 92 | 44 我当然是更不接受后者。
‘我们这儿’是个让人爱也让人伤心的地方。以主持人为代表的对’平等，尊重’的无
知和自以为是的让人找不找北呀。我脚的他或是一时丢了面子才让羡慕，嫉妒，恨燃烧
在了舞台上。海龟在‘我们这儿’要低调，’入乡随俗‘，奴才主子的大环境下， 表
张显个性＋新派作风。
在美国，也’入乡随俗‘，为什么一个推崇‘平等自由’的国度，对Asian 就不讲九了
？且似乎咱自己作为Asian Americans， 或Chinese-Americans的爹妈们也‘不care’
，似乎还大有要帮助自己人及下一代来理解被歧视的’逻辑’和试着‘换位思考‘。。。
前几天我挺高兴看到CNN上对两个Chinese American 士兵虐待致死的后继报道。留言中
，some Ascian IDs carry the same old tone （也难怪人对亚男的xxx）, sth like
’who cares，我自己干的好，就 blahblah'。 －－the same thing as some left
following hollywood white-washing report.
I was amused to see a very active CNN ID wrote back sth like ' At the mean
time, other Asia-Americans were discriminated, bullied and xx, yet you were
too busy to care... Impressed.' ----- This ID is a 'White' since I've read
quite some of his stuff in the varies reports on the republican primary.
哎，在美国有儿子的烦恼大了去了。上次从首叶误入宝宝版，见一群中国大小妈们为’
生儿子可以回中国农村拉风‘一说讲了不同意见，无端连累了只有女宝的妈们。人都不
带答理我的，直接打骂mit 上 女宝的妈们内心阴暗嫉妒使然。真希望老虎妈妈们能把
彪悍传下去呀。
主持人对海归的stereotype又如何那，这的，我乡没几个想让自己的娃海龟的吧。
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: 你看到刘莉莉的非你莫属了吧？ 你觉得主持人对海归的stereotype跟美国人对Asian的
: stereotype那个更不能接受呢？
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 45 I respectively disagree with you. lol
Neither one of these stereotype is acceptable. Maybe you care more about
the latter which matters to you more. But they are basicly same. To me, I
feel I am more respected here than in China. This has nothing to do with my
achivement. I believe the most of Seaweeds feel same way as I do. This is
why so many Chinese ppl from mainland stay here, even with the booming of
Chinese economy.
The stereotype against us in the U.S will change. But I am not so sure about the change in China. In fact, it will only get worse, believe it or not. :)
。。
like
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: 我当然是更不接受后者。
: ‘我们这儿’是个让人爱也让人伤心的地方。以主持人为代表的对’平等，尊重’的无
: 知和自以为是的让人找不找北呀。我脚的他或是一时丢了面子才让羡慕，嫉妒，恨燃烧
: 在了舞台上。海龟在‘我们这儿’要低调，’入乡随俗‘，奴才主子的大环境下， 表
: 张显个性＋新派作风。
: 在美国，也’入乡随俗‘，为什么一个推崇‘平等自由’的国度，对Asian 就不讲九了
: ？且似乎咱自己作为Asian Americans， 或Chinese-Americans的爹妈们也‘不care’
: ，似乎还大有要帮助自己人及下一代来理解被歧视的’逻辑’和试着‘换位思考‘。。。
: 前几天我挺高兴看到CNN上对两个Chinese American 士兵虐待致死的后继报道。留言中
: ，some Ascian IDs carry the same old tone （也难怪人对亚男的xxx）, sth like
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m********4
发帖数: 607 | 46 看了你这个贴，不由地想起了我到美国的第一个老板。大陆来的， 在美国拿了个phd,
加入了美国籍。当时在同一楼层还有一个从大陆来的老板，但还没有入籍。每到投票选
举时，我的老板经常与大家讨论他的政治观点。那个没入籍的就觉得很难理解。曾经对
我说：“至于这样吗？”
我的老板在美国有了第二个孩子，我来美国那年已经上小学了，不会说几句中文，更不
用说写中文了。第一次见我，就以蔑视的态度对我，被老板批评了。这样的纯美国孩子
，在学校会遇到怎样的待遇？
还记得老板抱怨儿子学校的老师的话：“老师经常叮嘱我儿子的同桌帮助他，因为老师
担心他听不懂。他是在美国出生的，同美国孩子一样的成长过程，他连中文都不会说，
怎么能听不懂英语呐？这显然是歧视吗！”
你也一定是入了籍的美国人，也许你的儿子很幸运，从来没有遇到我老板儿子在学校所
遇到的情形。
I
my
is
about the change in China. In fact, it will only get worse, believe it or
not. :)
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: I respectively disagree with you. lol
: Neither one of these stereotype is acceptable. Maybe you care more about
: the latter which matters to you more. But they are basicly same. To me, I
: feel I am more respected here than in China. This has nothing to do with my
: achivement. I believe the most of Seaweeds feel same way as I do. This is
: why so many Chinese ppl from mainland stay here, even with the booming of
: Chinese economy.
: The stereotype against us in the U.S will change. But I am not so sure about the change in China. In fact, it will only get worse, believe it or not. :)
:
: 。。
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P********r
发帖数: 92 | 47 Let's agree the respectively disagree. lol
在中国，海龟是‘掉了毛的凤凰’，但还是有优势呀。我没决的是歧视。而且海龟越来
越难定义了。我朋友还在’我们这儿的‘ 全都出国过，最差的也打破头的公派出个把
月。哈哈，所以海龟要有’换位思考‘的气量。理解万岁。lol 嗯，随着出国不在是个
槛了，海不海的，土不土的也消停了。
在美国，亚 ／华裔，尤其男士（泛指啊），真的是弱势，也真的有很强的 inferior
stereotype要跨越。感慨一下儿子们在没出生时就继承的stereotype。还是老佩服犹太
人的。
I
my
is
about the change in China. In fact, it will only get worse, believe it or
not. :)
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: I respectively disagree with you. lol
: Neither one of these stereotype is acceptable. Maybe you care more about
: the latter which matters to you more. But they are basicly same. To me, I
: feel I am more respected here than in China. This has nothing to do with my
: achivement. I believe the most of Seaweeds feel same way as I do. This is
: why so many Chinese ppl from mainland stay here, even with the booming of
: Chinese economy.
: The stereotype against us in the U.S will change. But I am not so sure about the change in China. In fact, it will only get worse, believe it or not. :)
:
: 。。
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P********r
发帖数: 92 | 48 A friend told me when register for school, there is sth like 'langues used
at home other than English'. For that, do not put down Chinese, or else,
they'd just send the kids directly to 'ESL'. 歧视 not sure since they want
to make sure to offer the best to the kids so that they learn well, but
stereotype might be? :-)
---Although that concern in English might be totally well intended...
,
【在 m********4 的大作中提到】
: 看了你这个贴，不由地想起了我到美国的第一个老板。大陆来的， 在美国拿了个phd,
: 加入了美国籍。当时在同一楼层还有一个从大陆来的老板，但还没有入籍。每到投票选
: 举时，我的老板经常与大家讨论他的政治观点。那个没入籍的就觉得很难理解。曾经对
: 我说：“至于这样吗？”
: 我的老板在美国有了第二个孩子，我来美国那年已经上小学了，不会说几句中文，更不
: 用说写中文了。第一次见我，就以蔑视的态度对我，被老板批评了。这样的纯美国孩子
: ，在学校会遇到怎样的待遇？
: 还记得老板抱怨儿子学校的老师的话：“老师经常叮嘱我儿子的同桌帮助他，因为老师
: 担心他听不懂。他是在美国出生的，同美国孩子一样的成长过程，他连中文都不会说，
: 怎么能听不懂英语呐？这显然是歧视吗！”
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 49 stereotype哪里都有， 越是层次低， 没文化， 就越是狭隘，越是势利。 我想这应该
没什么争论。
记得很小的时候， 上海人管外地人叫阿乡，就是乡巴佬的意思。 江南人被上海人歧视
， 居然对上海人服服帖帖， 转身歧视起苏北人来。 为什么？ 贫富差距的问题。 台
湾人为什么看不起大陆人？ 穷就是一个字。 美国redneck为什么歧视外国人？ 本质上
还是一样的。 中国人在美国的名声是什么？ 中餐馆， 唐人街， 李小龙？ 好像就这
些。
人的本性就是这么丑陋， 中国人的形象绝不是靠几个政客或者几个抗议就可以解决问
题的。 我们要靠大家共同的努力， 在美国各个层面上树立中国人的新形象， 这需要
几代人的努力。 第一代移民是最最辛苦的， 这是我刚到美国就听到了。
大家尽管拍砖。
【在 P********r 的大作中提到】
: Let's agree the respectively disagree. lol
: 在中国，海龟是‘掉了毛的凤凰’，但还是有优势呀。我没决的是歧视。而且海龟越来
: 越难定义了。我朋友还在’我们这儿的‘ 全都出国过，最差的也打破头的公派出个把
: 月。哈哈，所以海龟要有’换位思考‘的气量。理解万岁。lol 嗯，随着出国不在是个
: 槛了，海不海的，土不土的也消停了。
: 在美国，亚 ／华裔，尤其男士（泛指啊），真的是弱势，也真的有很强的 inferior
: stereotype要跨越。感慨一下儿子们在没出生时就继承的stereotype。还是老佩服犹太
: 人的。
:
: I
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a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 50 没什么拍的，只要自己身边没有这种人就好了
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: stereotype哪里都有， 越是层次低， 没文化， 就越是狭隘，越是势利。 我想这应该
: 没什么争论。
: 记得很小的时候， 上海人管外地人叫阿乡，就是乡巴佬的意思。 江南人被上海人歧视
: ， 居然对上海人服服帖帖， 转身歧视起苏北人来。 为什么？ 贫富差距的问题。 台
: 湾人为什么看不起大陆人？ 穷就是一个字。 美国redneck为什么歧视外国人？ 本质上
: 还是一样的。 中国人在美国的名声是什么？ 中餐馆， 唐人街， 李小龙？ 好像就这
: 些。
: 人的本性就是这么丑陋， 中国人的形象绝不是靠几个政客或者几个抗议就可以解决问
: 题的。 我们要靠大家共同的努力， 在美国各个层面上树立中国人的新形象， 这需要
: 几代人的努力。 第一代移民是最最辛苦的， 这是我刚到美国就听到了。
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L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 51 说得太好了， “穷就是一个字”， 这是个整体的概念， 不是一个人或几个人富了就
能改变了的事。 黑兄弟们有很多很有钱， 社会地位也很高, 种族歧视在这里成为No.1
的political incorrectness很大因素也是他们不断的努力， 可是他们还是被歧视，
原因很简单， 他们聚居的地方学校就是差， 治安就是乱， 环境就是脏。 老中们从20
年前被人俯视到现在被平视(某些地方甚至有少许仰视)已经很大的变化了。每个人能够
做好自己就不错， 在这个基础上能帮别人当然就更好了。 that's why we are here.
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: stereotype哪里都有， 越是层次低， 没文化， 就越是狭隘，越是势利。 我想这应该
: 没什么争论。
: 记得很小的时候， 上海人管外地人叫阿乡，就是乡巴佬的意思。 江南人被上海人歧视
: ， 居然对上海人服服帖帖， 转身歧视起苏北人来。 为什么？ 贫富差距的问题。 台
: 湾人为什么看不起大陆人？ 穷就是一个字。 美国redneck为什么歧视外国人？ 本质上
: 还是一样的。 中国人在美国的名声是什么？ 中餐馆， 唐人街， 李小龙？ 好像就这
: 些。
: 人的本性就是这么丑陋， 中国人的形象绝不是靠几个政客或者几个抗议就可以解决问
: 题的。 我们要靠大家共同的努力， 在美国各个层面上树立中国人的新形象， 这需要
: 几代人的努力。 第一代移民是最最辛苦的， 这是我刚到美国就听到了。
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L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 52 Linsanity is probably the best answer to your question, LOL
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http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7574087/overlooking-jeremy-l
It's bumper-to-bumper on the Jeremy Lin Bypass these days. Every single NBA
team and every single Division I college coach who gives hoops scholarships
passed on SuperAsian point guard Jeremy Shu-How Lin of the New York Knicks.
And now they're paying the toll.
"Don't remind me," UCLA coach Ben Howland says.
Lin had a lower interest rate than CDs. He went unoffered coming out of high
school and undrafted out of Harvard. Now the kid is Lin-fuego.
Flung from the end of the bench into the Knicks' starting lineup, Lin has
had at least 20 points and seven assists in five straight games, all Knicks
wins. He's been a one-man typhoon into the Knicks' sagging sails. His jersey
is the fastest-selling in the NBA this week. Is anybody at Disney listening?
How could so many be so blind? How could they not see a Tiffany diamond at
Goodwill prices? What was he? Linvisible?
Apparently, yes.
For instance, Stanford is literally across a boulevard from Palo Alto High
School, where Lin led the Vikings to a 32-1 record and the CIF state
championship as a senior. Yet then-Stanford coach Trent Johnson wouldn't
walk across the street to sign him.
"We knew all about him," admits Johnson, now the coach at LSU. "But nobody
in the Bay Area saw then what we're seeing now. … It wasn't like there was
pressure on me to recruit him. There was zero pressure. None."
Across the bay lies Cal, where Lin desperately wanted to play. But Bears
coach Ben Braun was Lindifferent. He passed.
"But hey, I passed on Steve Nash, too," concedes Braun, now the coach at
Rice. "We just didn't extend Jeremy a scholarship. I love the kid, but we
just didn't. … I don't feel too bad. At least I'm not the only one."
Jesse Evans does feel bad. He did the Jeremy Jilt when he was the coach at
the University of San Francisco. Two years later, he was fired.
"Maybe I could've kept my job if I had Jeremy," laughs Evans, who's now a
scout. "I thought he was a very good player; we just didn't quite pull the
trigger. Wish we had."
Doesn't anybody go to Pearl Vision Center anymore?
Players this good don't just become. They are.
Linsanity began at Harvard, where he energized a Crimson program that is now
nationally ranked. That's like a mule qualifying for the Kentucky Derby.
Doesn't anybody remember Lin lighting UConn's Kemba Walker up for 30 points
and nine rebounds on the road? Hello?
"It's the Asian thing," says former NBA player Rex Walters, who's Japanese-
American and wound up with Evans' job at USF. "People who don't think
stereotypes exist are crazy. If he's white, he's either a good shooter or
heady. If he's Asian, he's good at math. We're not taking him."
The other trouble is the way Lin plays. Like James Joyce, you don't get him
in one read.
"He's one of those kids who makes the right play time after time after time,
" Walters says. "But it takes time to see that. It takes patience to see
that. That's not how recruiting works. If the [recruiting] services don't
have him in the top 100, the majors won't recruit him."
[+] EnlargeJeremy Lin
Brace Hemmelgarn/US PresswireJeremy Lin's quiet consistency has always been
there. But now the whole country sees it.
But what happened in the NBA? Why did nobody take him in a draft from which
23 of the 60 players are now flushed out? Why was he cut by Golden State and
Houston this season? Why did he languish with four NBA Development League
teams?
They were clueless then and clueless now.
"We should have kept [Lin]," tweeted Rockets GM Daryl Morey this week. "Did
not know he was this good. Anyone who says they knew misleading U."
This weekend, Knicks UberFan Spike Lee texted new Warriors coach Mark
Jackson his thanks for cutting Lin. But it wasn't Jackson's fault. It was
Warriors GM Larry Riley's, who was trying to free up cap space in a failed
run at Clippers dunker DeAndre Jordan.
Riley admitted to The New York Times "I have egg on my face."
We could start a Denny's.
Then again, the Knicks had this Nash play-alike under their feet and used
him to warm seat cushions. Mike D'Antoni left him on the bench for 13 of his
first 22 games this season. Shouldn't somebody be telling D'Antoni what
time practice is?
Of course, nobody at the Knicks seemed to recognize genius when he or she
saw it. Earlier this season, Lin tweeted, "Everytime I try to get into
Madison Square Garden, the security guards ask me if I'm a trainer LOL."
There's more joy in this kid's story than a box of puppies. Millionaire
execs being wrong. Harvard -- a place that has produced more presidents (8)
than NBA players (4) -- being right. Asian stereotypes going bust. As the
father of an Asian-American daughter, I love it.
But the best part is that Lin is a hoop hopes machine now. He gives every
kid at the end of every high school bench, every college scrub who never
gets a minute, every 13th man in the NBA … faith. Faith that someday, if he
can finally get his chance, he can Shu them How.
Fortune lies in front of Lin like a golden highway now. And it should. He
paved it. Congrats to him. Without his will and effort, the poor kid
probably would be stuck running Goldman Sachs by now. |
b******a
发帖数: 704 | 53 "Across the bay lies Cal, where Lin desperately wanted to play. But Bears
coach Ben Braun was Lindifferent. He passed. "But hey, I passed on Steve
Nash, too," concedes Braun, now the coach at Rice. "We just didn't extend
Jeremy a scholarship. I love the kid, but we just didn't. … I don't feel
too bad. At least I'm not the only one." Poor guy, LOL.
NBA
scholarships
.
high
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Linsanity is probably the best answer to your question, LOL
: -------------------ZT
: http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7574087/overlooking-jeremy-l
: It's bumper-to-bumper on the Jeremy Lin Bypass these days. Every single NBA
: team and every single Division I college coach who gives hoops scholarships
: passed on SuperAsian point guard Jeremy Shu-How Lin of the New York Knicks.
: And now they're paying the toll.
: "Don't remind me," UCLA coach Ben Howland says.
: Lin had a lower interest rate than CDs. He went unoffered coming out of high
: school and undrafted out of Harvard. Now the kid is Lin-fuego.
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A*******s
发帖数: 9638 | 54 Do you think linsanity will change this year's CMG match? Yesterday we had
a bussiness dinner meeting. A senior director asked me about Lin. He said
everyone is talking about him, is he really from Harvard.?
Hey, I hope some PDs are reconsidering their ranking lists, lol!
NBA
scholarships
.
high
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Linsanity is probably the best answer to your question, LOL
: -------------------ZT
: http://espn.go.com/espn/story/_/id/7574087/overlooking-jeremy-l
: It's bumper-to-bumper on the Jeremy Lin Bypass these days. Every single NBA
: team and every single Division I college coach who gives hoops scholarships
: passed on SuperAsian point guard Jeremy Shu-How Lin of the New York Knicks.
: And now they're paying the toll.
: "Don't remind me," UCLA coach Ben Howland says.
: Lin had a lower interest rate than CDs. He went unoffered coming out of high
: school and undrafted out of Harvard. Now the kid is Lin-fuego.
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h*******l
发帖数: 1542 | 55 亚洲女人在美国最吃相，特别是漂亮的亚洲女人。
亚洲男人在美国最难混，哪怕是英俊的亚洲男人。 |
L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 56 He definitely changed this stereotype more than anyone in the history.
had
said
【在 A*******s 的大作中提到】
: Do you think linsanity will change this year's CMG match? Yesterday we had
: a bussiness dinner meeting. A senior director asked me about Lin. He said
: everyone is talking about him, is he really from Harvard.?
: Hey, I hope some PDs are reconsidering their ranking lists, lol!
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: NBA
: scholarships
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