B****u
发帖数: 79 | 1 这是跳过residency，直接做fellowship的途径。American Board机构那边对这种途径
描述的很少。很多医院也没操作过，经验不多。从其中一个医院得到一条反馈是要求申
请者有跟美国住院医相当的住院医training，说是中国的不行。Board机构那边没这么
规定，有谁知道这确实不对中国开放吗？ |
T*******O
发帖数: 179 | |
l*******8
发帖数: 1745 | 3 我们医院外科雇佣了两个外科医生，都没做过住院医，直接在美国做的transplant,
thoracic surgery fellowship.给他俩的工资就是我们住院医的工资。
我们central line都喊他们来做，不用白不用阿。
两个人都曾试着找categorical surgery residency after fellowship,可惜还是找不
到。
fellowship结束后如果没有connection,根本找不到academia的工作。
所以直接进了fellowship一定要再接再厉为找下家做准备。希望是有的。别象我们医院
这两个外科的还被内科住院医喊来做central line,混的好惨啊。
【在 T*******O 的大作中提到】
: it seems possible. If you read this:
: http://bug-online.blog.sohu.com/177950846.html
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M********3
发帖数: 269 | 4
这两个是ATTENDING TITLE吗？
【在 l*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我们医院外科雇佣了两个外科医生，都没做过住院医，直接在美国做的transplant,
: thoracic surgery fellowship.给他俩的工资就是我们住院医的工资。
: 我们central line都喊他们来做，不用白不用阿。
: 两个人都曾试着找categorical surgery residency after fellowship,可惜还是找不
: 到。
: fellowship结束后如果没有connection,根本找不到academia的工作。
: 所以直接进了fellowship一定要再接再厉为找下家做准备。希望是有的。别象我们医院
: 这两个外科的还被内科住院医喊来做central line,混的好惨啊。
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T*******O
发帖数: 179 | 5 Thanks for the information.
【在 l*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我们医院外科雇佣了两个外科医生，都没做过住院医，直接在美国做的transplant,
: thoracic surgery fellowship.给他俩的工资就是我们住院医的工资。
: 我们central line都喊他们来做，不用白不用阿。
: 两个人都曾试着找categorical surgery residency after fellowship,可惜还是找不
: 到。
: fellowship结束后如果没有connection,根本找不到academia的工作。
: 所以直接进了fellowship一定要再接再厉为找下家做准备。希望是有的。别象我们医院
: 这两个外科的还被内科住院医喊来做central line,混的好惨啊。
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B****u
发帖数: 79 | 6 不知道我说的是否跟上面的fellowship不同。常规的fellowship绝大部分要美国
residency为前提。我所说的是专门给外国医生的，要4年，在最后一年可以参加专科
Board考试。在4年期间对临床要求不高，最低限度是1天/周，应该要做research。 |
M********3
发帖数: 269 | 7
没听说过，是病理 或血液吗？
【在 B****u 的大作中提到】
: 不知道我说的是否跟上面的fellowship不同。常规的fellowship绝大部分要美国
: residency为前提。我所说的是专门给外国医生的，要4年，在最后一年可以参加专科
: Board考试。在4年期间对临床要求不高，最低限度是1天/周，应该要做research。
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z**********4
发帖数: 467 | 8 If you are a radiologist in China, you are in luck. You could enter
fellowship directly with board scores. |
z**********4
发帖数: 467 | 9 There is a paradox. Usually surgeons with very rich surgical experience in
China could not speak English very well and communicate much less
efficiently. In my view, learning certain techniques is not very difficult
in US. I never run into any troubles learning any specific techniques. It
is not b/c I am smart. It is b/c Americans are open to teach you certain
techniques. In this aspect, Chinese are more conservative. The biggest
hindrance is communication. It is the bottleneck for those who want to
succeed in America. |
c*******y
发帖数: 329 | 10 It is possible. But after fellowship, the license is limited. |
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z**********4
发帖数: 467 | 11 God is fair to everyone. Some are good at hands which make them a great
surgeon. But they are much slower at picking up English and adapting to
cultures. Some are good at communications among Chinese. But they attach too
much to Chinese ways of communications and reluctant to accept American
values and cultures. Some are super at learning language and have fantastic
language gift. But they are slow at learning techniques and dumb at exams.
Effective communications are more comprehensive skills than learning
language acqisition skill itself though the latter is an essential part of
it. Communcation also includes manners, willingness to listen and
communicate, and familarity with foriegn culture and value system. A lot of
introvert people are very good at English but they are not effective
communicators. On the other hand, a case in point is Premier Zhou, who was
not good at foreign languages, but his communication skills were super and
regarded as the master of international relations.
In short, I myself used to be a surgeon. It is essential for a surgeon to
perform surgery well. But What is much more important is effective
communication in this country. Surgeon's strong egos as well as their
hesitance to accept American values and slowness to pick up English are
absolutely a hamper to adapt to US society, which might severely limit their
career advancement |
a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 12 就算医院肯了（其实就是像乖乖虎说的，赚你几年廉价劳动力），你以后去开业执照都
会很麻烦，而且specialty和subspecialty board都不能考，因为都要求有accredited
residency training的证明，你end up还是要找地方做住院医生。我知道有骨科走这条
路，但是执业很局限。
奉劝一句，可能我老古董，该怎么走还是怎么走，不过就是多花几年时间，但是long
run你会得益很多，否则后面一辈子都要纠结在这个上面，得不偿失。当然你是特别牛
人撑腰，那什么路都是有可能的，但是我想这样的话你也不会来发这个帖子了。 |
B****u
发帖数: 79 | 13 这本身就个specialty的program。目的是让外国医生进入美国的academia medicine。
不存在廉价劳动力的事，因为临床的时间不用很多。因为面向academia，所以是clinic
和research兼顾。很多欧洲人这么做了。还真没打听到license有多大程度的限制。 |
m****t
发帖数: 138 | 14 哥们英语真好，你match不上实在太打击我这样的鼠辈了。
too
fantastic
of
【在 z**********4 的大作中提到】
: God is fair to everyone. Some are good at hands which make them a great
: surgeon. But they are much slower at picking up English and adapting to
: cultures. Some are good at communications among Chinese. But they attach too
: much to Chinese ways of communications and reluctant to accept American
: values and cultures. Some are super at learning language and have fantastic
: language gift. But they are slow at learning techniques and dumb at exams.
: Effective communications are more comprehensive skills than learning
: language acqisition skill itself though the latter is an essential part of
: it. Communcation also includes manners, willingness to listen and
: communicate, and familarity with foriegn culture and value system. A lot of
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a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 15 我们这里就有，没什么奇怪的。就不是board certified，和州license是两回事情。你
先搞明白这两个区别再仔细想想。我们住院医生case考试的时候，这些医生都不能监考
，因为没有board certification，还得有另外的attending签字才行。这样的医生都是
脾气，人品超级好，其实我们巴不得让他们监考
clinic
【在 B****u 的大作中提到】
: 这本身就个specialty的program。目的是让外国医生进入美国的academia medicine。
: 不存在廉价劳动力的事，因为临床的时间不用很多。因为面向academia，所以是clinic
: 和research兼顾。很多欧洲人这么做了。还真没打听到license有多大程度的限制。
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l*******8
发帖数: 1745 | 16 如果脾气人品不超好的话，一朝君子一朝臣，新chair上台解雇几个后，就完蛋了，下
家都不好找。
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: 我们这里就有，没什么奇怪的。就不是board certified，和州license是两回事情。你
: 先搞明白这两个区别再仔细想想。我们住院医生case考试的时候，这些医生都不能监考
: ，因为没有board certification，还得有另外的attending签字才行。这样的医生都是
: 脾气，人品超级好，其实我们巴不得让他们监考
:
: clinic
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a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 17 出来以后，不能board certificated，没有保险公司或者雇用单位，只能在局限的
academic center里做局限的工作，处处被动，那就是廉价劳动力么。
随便google了一下，找到这个
http://www.usmletomd.com/tips4match/2007/09/fellowship-without-
好奇一下，为什么一定要走这条路呢？虽然前面省了几年，后面的限制这么多，如果
research做得不顺利，或者那个academic center呆得不开心，就很被动了么。
clinic
【在 B****u 的大作中提到】
: 这本身就个specialty的program。目的是让外国医生进入美国的academia medicine。
: 不存在廉价劳动力的事，因为临床的时间不用很多。因为面向academia，所以是clinic
: 和research兼顾。很多欧洲人这么做了。还真没打听到license有多大程度的限制。
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B****u
发帖数: 79 | 18 这很明确是board certified program。 我想知道通过fellowship然后board
certified，没有residency,最终在license上到底有多大的区别。谁能给个链接。谢谢
。 |
l*******8
发帖数: 1745 | 19 board certified program是指这个program是board certified的。 并没有说every
fellow graduated from our program is eligible for board test.你不做住院医，
从这个board certified program里做fellow出来后还是没有资格去考那个board的。
【在 B****u 的大作中提到】
: 这很明确是board certified program。 我想知道通过fellowship然后board
: certified，没有residency,最终在license上到底有多大的区别。谁能给个链接。谢谢
: 。
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B****u
发帖数: 79 | 20 我说这跟常规的fellowship不一样。这个program在最后一年就是让每个fellow有资格
参加专科的board考试，然后board certified出来。有谁知道这样的board certified
在以后的license上有啥限制。或者我可以给board电话问清楚。我也是准备 residency
match的。只是有这样的interview机会，想多了解清楚些。谢谢大家的讨论，给了不
少信息。 |
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f****b
发帖数: 2410 | 21 大多数类似的情况都是这种结果把，这类漏洞如果真有的话，还轮得到这里的小字倍来
钻，也太小看美国人的智商了把，
【在 l*******8 的大作中提到】
: 我们医院外科雇佣了两个外科医生，都没做过住院医，直接在美国做的transplant,
: thoracic surgery fellowship.给他俩的工资就是我们住院医的工资。
: 我们central line都喊他们来做，不用白不用阿。
: 两个人都曾试着找categorical surgery residency after fellowship,可惜还是找不
: 到。
: fellowship结束后如果没有connection,根本找不到academia的工作。
: 所以直接进了fellowship一定要再接再厉为找下家做准备。希望是有的。别象我们医院
: 这两个外科的还被内科住院医喊来做central line,混的好惨啊。
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f********9
发帖数: 54 | 22 医学和牙医不一样吗？幸好的学的是牙医。我们牙医specialty毕业是可以考specialty
执照的，可以在美国七个州行医，五年后可以转到外州行医。但是只可以做专科。如
果有钱在去读个IDP就做什么都没限制了。 |
n*****8
发帖数: 406 | 23 Hi, what that mean? For example, if someone has been a radiologist in China.
If he passed exam, he can be fellowship and take the board exam directly? |
a**e
发帖数: 5094 | 24 this is the track specifically for radiology:
pass usmle step1,2,3
find a place willing to take you as a fellow AND a faculty
pass radiology board after you graduate from the fellowship
stay in the SAME institution for SIX years
get board certification
final step: FREEDOM, no more low pay job
w1978 (nmw) 的大作中提到: 】
China. |
z**********4
发帖数: 467 | 25 Yes, it is a route. Why not try? The more, the merrier though. |
n*****8
发帖数: 406 | 26 Just ask a fellow,
He has passed Step 1 and 2, at least to be fellowship for 4 year in same
institute, then you can take the board test with the support of the
institute. I think it is same with the residence. Nothing special, still
need at least 4 years.
【在 a**e 的大作中提到】
: this is the track specifically for radiology:
: pass usmle step1,2,3
: find a place willing to take you as a fellow AND a faculty
: pass radiology board after you graduate from the fellowship
: stay in the SAME institution for SIX years
: get board certification
: final step: FREEDOM, no more low pay job
: w1978 (nmw) 的大作中提到: 】
: China.
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y**********a
发帖数: 481 | 27 请问这样的fellowship除了外科和放射线科， 别的科有这种机会吗？比如，内科，儿
科，或病理什么的？
我觉得这种fellowship适合match不上住院医，国内有很多临床经验的，做过fellow再
match可能容易一些？个人看法，可能不对。 |
m****8
发帖数: 419 | 28 it says it is doable for surgery and radiology. |
o****g
发帖数: 43 | 29 I think you might mean Alternate Entry Pathway given by ABA. In fact I have
studied this for a long time. Please be advised:
1. AEP gives you a chance for taking Part 1 board examination, not garantee
a borad certificate.
2. To be board certificate, you need at least one state medical license.
3. To be licensed by one US state, you need to have at least one year of
ACGME accreditated residency training.
4. To get the training, you have to take part in the match again.
I do not know if there is another alternate pathway to avoid the match. It
seems a cycle. May this is the reason why not many people take the AEP. Just
suggestion for your reference. |
