m*********7
发帖数: 6 | 1 Did someone complain of your dictation because she/he cannot understand it
due to your accent? How you guys handle this issue?
While you are talking to someone, if she/he cannot get it, they will give
you feedback immediately. But the dication???
Any tips are more than welcome! |
a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 2 1. talk slowly while you dicate. this is the key point.
2. when you first start and not used to this system, try to write down the
most stuff before you dictate, so you can talk fluently while you read it.
3. when you have problem pronouncing some words, just spell it out,
especially for medications and disease names.
4.at the begining of your intern year, try to avoid using those big words or
complicated sentences. the goal of your dictation is not to look like a
literature, but to document eve |
a*a
发帖数: 1295 | |
s**********9
发帖数: 54 | 4 Anybody using "Voice Recorder Software"?
It seems to take longer to dictate at the beginning, but at least nobody
complains. |
f******l
发帖数: 455 | 5 In our program, residents dictate and interns write H&P. The bad thing is we
cannot revise what we dictate. We have to dictate very slowly to avoid
errors. |
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 6 are used to.
write down most of the stuff.
a problem or problems
a word, spell it out. some words, spell them out.
beginning.
literature. not a literature.
every aspects of your work.
Just a quick glance.
or
【在 a*********d 的大作中提到】
: 1. talk slowly while you dicate. this is the key point.
: 2. when you first start and not used to this system, try to write down the
: most stuff before you dictate, so you can talk fluently while you read it.
: 3. when you have problem pronouncing some words, just spell it out,
: especially for medications and disease names.
: 4.at the begining of your intern year, try to avoid using those big words or
: complicated sentences. the goal of your dictation is not to look like a
: literature, but to document eve
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 7 Touche.
or
【在 a*********d 的大作中提到】
: 1. talk slowly while you dicate. this is the key point.
: 2. when you first start and not used to this system, try to write down the
: most stuff before you dictate, so you can talk fluently while you read it.
: 3. when you have problem pronouncing some words, just spell it out,
: especially for medications and disease names.
: 4.at the begining of your intern year, try to avoid using those big words or
: complicated sentences. the goal of your dictation is not to look like a
: literature, but to document eve
|
m********e
发帖数: 212 | 8 太无聊了，没注意到大家都不爱理你了吗？
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: are used to.
: write down most of the stuff.
: a problem or problems
: a word, spell it out. some words, spell them out.
: beginning.
: literature. not a literature.
: every aspects of your work.
: Just a quick glance.
:
: or
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 9 bite me.
【在 m********e 的大作中提到】
: 太无聊了，没注意到大家都不爱理你了吗？
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u*********6
发帖数: 119 | 10 无聊至极！就你那水平也配在逆风姐的文章中挑刺，要显摆你的英文到其他版去，不要
脏了这个版面的风气！
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: are used to.
: write down most of the stuff.
: a problem or problems
: a word, spell it out. some words, spell them out.
: beginning.
: literature. not a literature.
: every aspects of your work.
: Just a quick glance.
:
: or
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 11 She is the poster child that you dont need to speak/write good English to be a fellow. No wonder Americans dont want to see IMGs.
This board is littered with garbage. People write with fingers not brains.
【在 u*********6 的大作中提到】
: 无聊至极！就你那水平也配在逆风姐的文章中挑刺，要显摆你的英文到其他版去，不要
: 脏了这个版面的风气！
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l*******d
发帖数: 449 | 12 "No wonder Americans dont want to see IMGs. " finally you show your
darkside of your mind. |
L*****r
发帖数: 722 | 13 久违了。风前辈悠然驾鹤而来，忙中有闲啊？
我本来写了一段要发的，可上来一看，竟是在这座五指山里翻腾---都包在这段里面了
，到底是前辈，姜还是老的辣---嫩姜更辣！只是白费我大半小时功夫。不过转念一想
，能和风前辈撞车，悠然暗合，当真自己都很看得起自己。
好在还想得起几点引申和发挥，缘故是以我的烂英文，开始时想必比风前辈困难得多，
所以也多些教训：
1.Talk not only slowly, but loudly and clearly; speak in this way not only
when dictating, but also in every working situation, including presenting a
case!
2.What I do is to print out all my H/P and progress notes, and use my last
sign out as an outline.
3.That's the key!
4.That's the key, 2! Furthermore, use dictation as |
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 14 Truth hurts.
【在 l*******d 的大作中提到】
: "No wonder Americans dont want to see IMGs. " finally you show your
: darkside of your mind.
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L*****r
发帖数: 722 | 15 我觉得这样讨论讨论英文，还是挺难得的。
- 口语里条件状语从句，经常略掉“are ”
- most stuff 没错啊？就好比说“most people”
- “have problem”是口语常用词组, 如“Do you have problem in ...?”
- “spell it out”，也是口语，譬如“check it out”, “find it out”,好像没听
见过说them 的？ 无论前面是单数还是复数。
- 对， wrong spelling.
- Maybe, I don't know
- point是个非常重要的概念，我觉得还是原文用的“point”更好。
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: are used to.
: write down most of the stuff.
: a problem or problems
: a word, spell it out. some words, spell them out.
: beginning.
: literature. not a literature.
: every aspects of your work.
: Just a quick glance.
:
: or
|
a*********d
发帖数: 2763 | 16 thanks for pointing out those mistakes, but if we listen to AMG physicians
talking, i am sure we can always find something to pick on, especially when
we are just chatting.
it's a good thing that you pay attention to details and bring this up for
discussion, it's one of the good qualities as a physician.
but please don't attack each other in the forum, especially using my case to
stereotype all other IMGs, i am sure there are lots of chinese physicians
speak much better english than i do.:)
back |
L*****r
发帖数: 722 | 17
Dr. Xiaoxiao,
很愿意和你进一步讨论。你的英文的确很好，很sophisticated, 很书面。我有个感觉,
就是在医院里呆长了，英文不知不觉就口语化，缘故是大家主要交流都靠口说，而写
病历浮皮潦草、读病历一目十行，没人在意书面语的语法。这对以后要写英文文章的人
，呵呵，的确需要注意。
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Truth hurts.
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 18 - 口语里条件状语从句，经常略掉“are ”
He used to go to the gym.
He is used to be abused.
The meanings are miles apart. Middle school English.
- most stuff 没错啊？就好比说“most people”
The most stuff is wrong. Most stuff is awkward.
- “have problem”是口语常用词组, 如“Do you have problem?”
When Americans speak, words get connected. Gotta, Hav'a. You dont hear it. It doesnt mean it is not there.
Beat him up is spoken like beaD'imup. Btw, it you speak like this, your American friends are going to be impressed. Another e |
L*****r
发帖数: 722 | 19 Thank you for comments. My gut feeling, you are still too 书面。For sure
many attendings asked me hundruds of times: "Do you have problem in doing...
?" They know I will have many problemS, but they just ignore 单/复数;
Also whenever an attending finished rounding with me, they knew they
assigned me 10 different tasts, but they just finalized with saying "Go
check it out!". No one said "check'em out".
Maybe attendings had made mistaks too, maybe I was wrong in listening,
anyway I'll pay more attention
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: - 口语里条件状语从句，经常略掉“are ”
: He used to go to the gym.
: He is used to be abused.
: The meanings are miles apart. Middle school English.
: - most stuff 没错啊？就好比说“most people”
: The most stuff is wrong. Most stuff is awkward.
: - “have problem”是口语常用词组, 如“Do you have problem?”
: When Americans speak, words get connected. Gotta, Hav'a. You dont hear it. It doesnt mean it is not there.
: Beat him up is spoken like beaD'imup. Btw, it you speak like this, your American friends are going to be impressed. Another e
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D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 20 There are 10 posters. Lets check'em out.
If you dont say there are 10 posters, you could just say lets check it out.
Sorry for being a grammar freak. I am just a natural.
..
on.
【在 L*****r 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for comments. My gut feeling, you are still too 书面。For sure
: many attendings asked me hundruds of times: "Do you have problem in doing...
: ?" They know I will have many problemS, but they just ignore 单/复数;
: Also whenever an attending finished rounding with me, they knew they
: assigned me 10 different tasts, but they just finalized with saying "Go
: check it out!". No one said "check'em out".
: Maybe attendings had made mistaks too, maybe I was wrong in listening,
: anyway I'll pay more attention
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f******l
发帖数: 455 | 21 Actually, English is quite informal even in those case reports, I
mean, compared to basic science articles.
觉,
【在 L*****r 的大作中提到】
: Thank you for comments. My gut feeling, you are still too 书面。For sure
: many attendings asked me hundruds of times: "Do you have problem in doing...
: ?" They know I will have many problemS, but they just ignore 单/复数;
: Also whenever an attending finished rounding with me, they knew they
: assigned me 10 different tasts, but they just finalized with saying "Go
: check it out!". No one said "check'em out".
: Maybe attendings had made mistaks too, maybe I was wrong in listening,
: anyway I'll pay more attention
|
D******e
发帖数: 1085 | 22 Middle school English.
Compare with vs compare to.
Americans dont use them interchangeably even in an informal setting.
http://gmat-grammar.blogspot.com/2006/09/compare-to-vs-compare-with.html
I
【在 f******l 的大作中提到】
: Actually, English is quite informal even in those case reports, I
: mean, compared to basic science articles.
:
: 觉,
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r*********s
发帖数: 1027 | 23 你到底在不在医院里做医生？
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】
: Middle school English.
: Compare with vs compare to.
: Americans dont use them interchangeably even in an informal setting.
: http://gmat-grammar.blogspot.com/2006/09/compare-to-vs-compare-with.html
:
: I
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j***p
发帖数: 46 | 24 I think it is important to know what is correct (at least). I am happy to
see someone is solidly trained and spend time here to help us
improve English. |
d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 25 Dr. Newbie 的英文确实很好。以后在这给大家多多指教。 |
s*******w
发帖数: 1879 | |
d****y
发帖数: 2180 | 27 这个compare to Vs compare with的比较，很好。谢谢啊 |
L*****r
发帖数: 722 | 28
or
今天请两个信得过的美国住院医（一男一女）分别看了上面的段子。
先给他们看风前辈的段子，问他们能挑出什么问题。结果他们两人都说，作为口语很不
错啊，只有一个地方，就是not used to this system前面没有are”，的确是个问题，
但是问题在于are used to 如果省略掉are ，变成used to，恰巧有了另外的含义，这
是个特例；一般情况下，如果用别的形容词，把“are”省略掉，往往反而更顺，就譬
如说：When you first start and not familiar with this system, 就比When you
first start and ARE not familiar with this system 听起来更顺耳。
然后我就把 Dr Xiaoxiao 的修正案给他们看，他们都笑说 These are great,but more
used in formal occasion and written English. 他们仍坚持说风前辈的那些原文
are good for informal chatting。
【在 a*********d 的大作中提到】
: 1. talk slowly while you dicate. this is the key point.
: 2. when you first start and not used to this system, try to write down the
: most stuff before you dictate, so you can talk fluently while you read it.
: 3. when you have problem pronouncing some words, just spell it out,
: especially for medications and disease names.
: 4.at the begining of your intern year, try to avoid using those big words or
: complicated sentences. the goal of your dictation is not to look like a
: literature, but to document eve
|
L*****r
发帖数: 722 | 29 我也问了我那个应该是spell it out, find it out, check it out, 还是spell’em
out, find’em out, check’em out的问题，他们好像都没注意过这个问题，最后的意
见都是spell it out, find it out, check it out, etc 里面的it，好像已经成了固
定用法，说起来很顺嘴，不一定是指代前面的名词，当然也无所谓单复数了；
另外，虽然to document every aspect of your work 比to document every point of
your work常用，但是具体到医学领域，很强调point的概念，譬如说 key point,
learning point, directly go to the point, did you get my point?等等。我个人
认为，按照Knockingdown 前辈“抓主要矛盾”的原则，在听写时候，点点（every
point）俱到比面面（every aspect）俱到重要得多，所以还是用every point更胜过 |
a******0
发帖数: 238 | 30 Someday, If Drnewbie happen to be an intern, first of all, never forget, is
to correct the American residents and attending’s English error, show them
your real English. |
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L******R
发帖数: 23 | 31 I appreciate anyone picking on my English. I used to say"she" and"he" a lot
on the same person and nobody really cared(attending, senior,ms). Last week,
one attending told me with a serious stare"it's he" when I presented to him
a case about a 69 yo female. I think I'm doing much better since then.
Sometimes, you just need some little notches to push you through the painful
transition. |
