g****a 发帖数: 1520 | 1 全文见
Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun
September 19, 2013
http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF
部分摘录
Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this
document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority
and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many
contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have
avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
seems now that this is the course we have to take in order to document the
facts. In addition, this seems to us the responsible action to take and one
we owe to our colleagues, especially those affected by these developments.
---------
In sum, our fundamental objections to Tian’s claim over the partial C^0
estimate are:
– It seems to us highly improbable that Tian independently came on the
proof, involving exactly the same ideas, in the short time interval (roughly
April-June 2012) in question. Here we have in mind that, as noted above,
the techniques which underpin the proof have been available for ten years or
more.
– Even given that it is not impossible that such a coincidence occurred, we
have clear priority in the presentation of both outline and detailed proofs.
– Even after 15 months from the appearance of Donaldson and Sun's paper [2]
to the date of this writing, Tian has not produced a convincing complete
proof of this result.
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Our fundamental objections to Tian's claims with respect to Yau's conjecture
are:
• that we feel that there is no evidence that Tian was in possession
of anything approaching a complete proof at the time of his announcement [6]
in Stony Brook;
• that both arXiv versions [11], [12] of his paper have serious gaps
and
mistakes;
• that, insofar as these gaps and mistakes have been partially filled
and corrected (in comparing [11], [12], [13]), many of the changes and
additions made reproduce ideas and techniques that we had previously
introduced in our publicly available work [7], [8], [9], 10], without any
kind of acknowledgement. We will not attempt to take up every single gap and
mistake that we see in Tian's proposed proofs (including the necessity of
checking carefully the relevant results of Jeffres, Mazzeo and Rubinstein,
noted above), but concentrate on three points in the subsections 3.1,3.2,3.3
below.
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These assertions are blatant copying without attribution. This is almost
half a year since the appearance of our third paper [10], in which the
detailed proof of the reductivity is provided, based on the uniqueness
theorems proved by Berndtsson and Berman-Boucksom-Essydieux-Guedj-Zeriahi,
and the technical difficulty in extending the usual proof of the Matsushima
theorem is pointed out. |
g****i 发帖数: 30 | 2 田刚有够无耻的,转载lz的文章到科学网bbs,结果不到一个钟头被封ip了。
对不起,你的 IP 地址不在被允许的范围内,或你的账号被禁用,无法访问本站点。
have
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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R**********n 发帖数: 523 | 3 上次田说Yau是他老师,儒家传统尊师,所以不能反驳。
这次不知道田要怎么反驳
have
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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Z*********g 发帖数: 68 | 4 田在北大组织讨论班教学生怎么抄袭别人的工作,lol
【在 R**********n 的大作中提到】 : 上次田说Yau是他老师,儒家传统尊师,所以不能反驳。 : 这次不知道田要怎么反驳 : : have
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h********0 发帖数: 12056 | |
s*******t 发帖数: 66 | 6 现在看这段,是不是比较搞笑。
2012年,田刚教授取得重大突破,率先解决了Yau-Tian-Donaldson 猜想。田刚教授先
后受邀在法国巴黎 IHP,美国 Stony Brook 大学,北京国际数学中心等地报告自己的
学术成果,引起了强烈关注和极大反响。其证明综合应用了众多理论,涉及到很多数学
分支,比如微分几何 (Kodaira 嵌入定理),代数几何(positivity,GIT稳定性),偏微
分方程(复 Monge-Ampere 方程),多复分析(Hormander 估计),度量几何(黎曼度量的
紧性理论)等等。特别是其证明将这些领域完美的联系在一起,完善并推动了这些学科
的发展。 Yau-Tian-Donaldson 猜想的解决也给数学家们提供了一种通过代数几何的方
法来研究Kahler-Einstein度量模空间结构的方法。Yau-Tian-Donaldson 猜想的解决建
立了连接代数几何和微分几何的桥梁,并将推动这两个学科的发展,可以肯定的是这将
会在几何领域的发展史上留下光辉灿烂的一页。
【在 h********0 的大作中提到】 : 这回算是给抓现行了吧。 : 田刚太不仗义了。
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t**********o 发帖数: 26 | |
n***a 发帖数: 18 | 8 CDS很nice啊,如果早一个月放出来,北大数院的百年庆典就该泡汤了,田刚也没机会
按风火球了。哈哈 |
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t*****n 发帖数: 1589 | 9 u guys are pathetic.
so what, plagiarism?
Tian is still and will remain a big name and powerful.
u guys are only anonymous nobody that no one would ever care. |
r******k 发帖数: 97 | 10 Donaldson放在自己网页上,我觉得比arxiv更加震撼啊
CSD的文章应该还在审稿中,目前来看没有明显问题。
反之,田刚动用关系,投稿第二天就接收自己的文章。
[5] Partial C0-estimate for Kahler-Einstein metrics
G. Tian Commun. Mat. Stat. I, 105-113
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40304-013-0011-9
The published data in the journal states that it was received on May 21st,
2013 and accepted on May 22nd, 2013.
While one us (Chen)serves on the editorial board of CMS as probably one of
the main experts in complex geometry, he was completely unaware of the
handling of this paper [5] until he was informed by others that it had been
published. |
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r******k 发帖数: 97 | 11 在Donaldson主页上
A document concerning recent developments in Kahler-Einstein geometry
就是了
google搜索头条 |
m*********a 发帖数: 2000 | 12 kind of shocking. Tian is really a thief?
have
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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y****i 发帖数: 70 | 13
有这种想法的人才pathetic呢
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】 : u guys are pathetic. : so what, plagiarism? : Tian is still and will remain a big name and powerful. : u guys are only anonymous nobody that no one would ever care.
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L*********s 发帖数: 3063 | 14 thief太多了, Ma的导师赤裸裸的剽窃学生,联合师祖一起迫害Ma,还不是拿他们没辙
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】 : kind of shocking. Tian is really a thief? : : have
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 15 炮弹啊
have
one
roughly
or
we
proofs.
2]
conjecture
6]
filled
and
.3
Matsushima
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 16 这是什么节奏?
The published data in the journal states that it was received on May 21st,
2013 and accepted on May 22nd, 2013.
老田为啥这样呢,按理说院士也上了,fields/wolf也不可能了,还这么热衷于抢
credit,何必呢
have
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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L*********s 发帖数: 3063 | 17 看了下新语丝的网站,方先生还没来摘桃子,国内压下来了?
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8 |
M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 18 方舟子这个烂货,自家网站上全是骂韩寒、老罗、崔永元、肖传国的
【在 L*********s 的大作中提到】 : 看了下新语丝的网站,方先生还没来摘桃子,国内压下来了? : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 19 是的,我一贯支持田,这次有点看不懂了。希望有知情的人说说内幕
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】 : : 有这种想法的人才pathetic呢
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m****m 发帖数: 2211 | 20 耐心,方舟子是反对田刚的,估计会写点什么
【在 M****o 的大作中提到】 : 方舟子这个烂货,自家网站上全是骂韩寒、老罗、崔永元、肖传国的
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b*****d 发帖数: 7166 | 21 唐纳森不能把田刚怎么样,他能做的只是证明田刚独立完成证明的概率是0.1,0.001,
。。。
但终究不能证明是0. |
m*********a 发帖数: 2000 | 22 now everybody knows that Tian Gang is confirmed trash
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 唐纳森不能把田刚怎么样,他能做的只是证明田刚独立完成证明的概率是0.1,0.001, : 。。。 : 但终究不能证明是0.
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m****m 发帖数: 2211 | 23 不过一天论文就被接受显然违背学术规范啊
这个得严查
爱因斯坦的论文还得被审稿呢
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 唐纳森不能把田刚怎么样,他能做的只是证明田刚独立完成证明的概率是0.1,0.001, : 。。。 : 但终究不能证明是0.
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q*d 发帖数: 22178 | 24 田刚再烂也是个学数学的,
方先生的智商也就在文科生面前显示一下优越感,
反田刚太吃力了吧.
【在 m****m 的大作中提到】 : 耐心,方舟子是反对田刚的,估计会写点什么
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b*********e 发帖数: 2642 | 25 这是和他老师丘成桐学的吧,上次丘也是赶时间三天内通过曹朱的论文抢credit。
【在 m****m 的大作中提到】 : 不过一天论文就被接受显然违背学术规范啊 : 这个得严查 : 爱因斯坦的论文还得被审稿呢
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 26 在美国,T已经是个笑话了。一次是纽约的教授讲到Einstein度量,slides里面有CDS的
工作。下面的人就问T的工作。教授很开心,一边说一边大笑:T的第一个版本有gap和
错误,第二个版本还是没有改过来。第二次是听一个加州的教授讲的:D去他们学校给
talk,没有提T的工作。报告后有人问T的工作,D说T的工作有错误。这就是CDS的docu
里面的“在过去的15个月没有公开的反对T”。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】 : now everybody knows that Tian Gang is confirmed trash
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l********e 发帖数: 413 | 27 如果分部副主编能够看懂文章,觉得很好很重要,和其他几个副主编商量一下,大家意
见一致,可以直接接收。
爱因斯坦的论文,编辑可能看不懂,要送到外面评审。
【在 m****m 的大作中提到】 : 不过一天论文就被接受显然违背学术规范啊 : 这个得严查 : 爱因斯坦的论文还得被审稿呢
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 28 重点是T的文章是在DS的arxiv的preprint出来之后。
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】 : 如果分部副主编能够看懂文章,觉得很好很重要,和其他几个副主编商量一下,大家意 : 见一致,可以直接接收。 : 爱因斯坦的论文,编辑可能看不懂,要送到外面评审。
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 29 建议看一下文章再来胡扯:
http://intlpress.com/site/pub/files/_fulltext/journals/ajm/2006
Received December 12, 2005; accepted for publication April 16, 2006。
【在 b*********e 的大作中提到】 : 这是和他老师丘成桐学的吧,上次丘也是赶时间三天内通过曹朱的论文抢credit。
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 30 arXiv是贴(准备投jounal的)文章的。
【在 r******k 的大作中提到】 : Donaldson放在自己网页上,我觉得比arxiv更加震撼啊 : CSD的文章应该还在审稿中,目前来看没有明显问题。 : 反之,田刚动用关系,投稿第二天就接收自己的文章。 : [5] Partial C0-estimate for Kahler-Einstein metrics : G. Tian Commun. Mat. Stat. I, 105-113 : http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40304-013-0011-9 : The published data in the journal states that it was received on May 21st, : 2013 and accepted on May 22nd, 2013. : While one us (Chen)serves on the editorial board of CMS as probably one of : the main experts in complex geometry, he was completely unaware of the
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 31 一个更有效办法是,C邀请D到中科院数学所给个学术报告。
【在 L*********s 的大作中提到】 : 看了下新语丝的网站,方先生还没来摘桃子,国内压下来了? : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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p***p 发帖数: 161 | 32 爱因斯坦那个年代本来就是不审稿的
审稿制度是之后发展起来的
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】 : 如果分部副主编能够看懂文章,觉得很好很重要,和其他几个副主编商量一下,大家意 : 见一致,可以直接接收。 : 爱因斯坦的论文,编辑可能看不懂,要送到外面评审。
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r******k 发帖数: 97 | 33 田看过donaldson在2012年4月的一个报告视频,然后在2012年9月宣布的。 |
b*********e 发帖数: 2642 | 34 这事我就有个印象,上次热闹时候看到的,胡扯也不是我胡扯,呵呵
http://www.xys.org/xys/ebooks/others/science/dajia7/beida166.tx
【在 u**e 的大作中提到】 : 建议看一下文章再来胡扯: : http://intlpress.com/site/pub/files/_fulltext/journals/ajm/2006 : Received December 12, 2005; accepted for publication April 16, 2006。
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 35 善意的推测是:Yau在05年12月收到了CZ的文章,找了人审稿,审稿意见是强烈推荐发
表。06年4月的email是让整个board投票(一般的情况是handing editor推荐发表的,
board都会通过,因为handing editor是该方向的专家。board通过的时间一般不会拉的
太长)。Yau不希望泄密,因为在和Clay的人竞争。
【在 b*********e 的大作中提到】 : 这事我就有个印象,上次热闹时候看到的,胡扯也不是我胡扯,呵呵 : http://www.xys.org/xys/ebooks/others/science/dajia7/beida166.tx
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i****g 发帖数: 3896 | 36 这文章可是9月份就出来了啊
【在 n***a 的大作中提到】 : CDS很nice啊,如果早一个月放出来,北大数院的百年庆典就该泡汤了,田刚也没机会 : 按风火球了。哈哈
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r******k 发帖数: 97 | 37 最近几天才放到网上
【在 i****g 的大作中提到】 : 这文章可是9月份就出来了啊
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t******s 发帖数: 281 | 38 ma的事情内情并非如此,说他老板受他想法影响可能,但并不是剽窃。ma后来回国后也
说过这事,有人听过,也觉得不是完全剽窃。
【在 L*********s 的大作中提到】 : thief太多了, Ma的导师赤裸裸的剽窃学生,联合师祖一起迫害Ma,还不是拿他们没辙 : : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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R******o 发帖数: 1572 | 39 自己偷偷把学生在做的课题发了文章,还不告诉学生,然后说自己是innocent的?
洗地不是这么洗得
【在 t******s 的大作中提到】 : ma的事情内情并非如此,说他老板受他想法影响可能,但并不是剽窃。ma后来回国后也 : 说过这事,有人听过,也觉得不是完全剽窃。
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h********0 发帖数: 12056 | 40 剽窃80% 70% 也不行。
【在 t******s 的大作中提到】 : ma的事情内情并非如此,说他老板受他想法影响可能,但并不是剽窃。ma后来回国后也 : 说过这事,有人听过,也觉得不是完全剽窃。
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w***s 发帖数: 2658 | |
t******s 发帖数: 281 | 42 话分两头说,我无意替谁洗地,只不过ma的事情我知道一些,ma后来在国内和该领域的
人聊起这件事,大家最后心里都大概有个数。
【在 R******o 的大作中提到】 : 自己偷偷把学生在做的课题发了文章,还不告诉学生,然后说自己是innocent的? : 洗地不是这么洗得
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g****a 发帖数: 1520 | 43 全文见
Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun
September 19, 2013
http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF
部分摘录
Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this
document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority
and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many
contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have
avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
seems now that this is the course we have to take in order to document the
facts. In addition, this seems to us the responsible action to take and one
we owe to our colleagues, especially those affected by these developments.
---------
In sum, our fundamental objections to Tian’s claim over the partial C^0
estimate are:
– It seems to us highly improbable that Tian independently came on the
proof, involving exactly the same ideas, in the short time interval (roughly
April-June 2012) in question. Here we have in mind that, as noted above,
the techniques which underpin the proof have been available for ten years or
more.
– Even given that it is not impossible that such a coincidence occurred, we
have clear priority in the presentation of both outline and detailed proofs.
– Even after 15 months from the appearance of Donaldson and Sun's paper [2]
to the date of this writing, Tian has not produced a convincing complete
proof of this result.
-----------
Our fundamental objections to Tian's claims with respect to Yau's conjecture
are:
• that we feel that there is no evidence that Tian was in possession
of anything approaching a complete proof at the time of his announcement [6]
in Stony Brook;
• that both arXiv versions [11], [12] of his paper have serious gaps
and
mistakes;
• that, insofar as these gaps and mistakes have been partially filled
and corrected (in comparing [11], [12], [13]), many of the changes and
additions made reproduce ideas and techniques that we had previously
introduced in our publicly available work [7], [8], [9], 10], without any
kind of acknowledgement. We will not attempt to take up every single gap and
mistake that we see in Tian's proposed proofs (including the necessity of
checking carefully the relevant results of Jeffres, Mazzeo and Rubinstein,
noted above), but concentrate on three points in the subsections 3.1,3.2,3.3
below.
--------------
These assertions are blatant copying without attribution. This is almost
half a year since the appearance of our third paper [10], in which the
detailed proof of the reductivity is provided, based on the uniqueness
theorems proved by Berndtsson and Berman-Boucksom-Essydieux-Guedj-Zeriahi,
and the technical difficulty in extending the usual proof of the Matsushima
theorem is pointed out. |
g****i 发帖数: 30 | 44 田刚有够无耻的,转载lz的文章到科学网bbs,结果不到一个钟头被封ip了。
对不起,你的 IP 地址不在被允许的范围内,或你的账号被禁用,无法访问本站点。
have
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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Z*********g 发帖数: 68 | 45 田在北大组织讨论班教学生怎么抄袭别人的工作,lol
【在 R**********n 的大作中提到】 : 上次田说Yau是他老师,儒家传统尊师,所以不能反驳。 : 这次不知道田要怎么反驳 : : have
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s*******t 发帖数: 66 | 47 现在看这段,是不是比较搞笑。
2012年,田刚教授取得重大突破,率先解决了Yau-Tian-Donaldson 猜想。田刚教授先
后受邀在法国巴黎 IHP,美国 Stony Brook 大学,北京国际数学中心等地报告自己的
学术成果,引起了强烈关注和极大反响。其证明综合应用了众多理论,涉及到很多数学
分支,比如微分几何 (Kodaira 嵌入定理),代数几何(positivity,GIT稳定性),偏微
分方程(复 Monge-Ampere 方程),多复分析(Hormander 估计),度量几何(黎曼度量的
紧性理论)等等。特别是其证明将这些领域完美的联系在一起,完善并推动了这些学科
的发展。 Yau-Tian-Donaldson 猜想的解决也给数学家们提供了一种通过代数几何的方
法来研究Kahler-Einstein度量模空间结构的方法。Yau-Tian-Donaldson 猜想的解决建
立了连接代数几何和微分几何的桥梁,并将推动这两个学科的发展,可以肯定的是这将
会在几何领域的发展史上留下光辉灿烂的一页。
【在 h********0 的大作中提到】 : 这回算是给抓现行了吧。 : 田刚太不仗义了。
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n***a 发帖数: 18 | 49 CDS很nice啊,如果早一个月放出来,北大数院的百年庆典就该泡汤了,田刚也没机会
按风火球了。哈哈 |
t*****n 发帖数: 1589 | 50 u guys are pathetic.
so what, plagiarism?
Tian is still and will remain a big name and powerful.
u guys are only anonymous nobody that no one would ever care. |
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r******k 发帖数: 97 | 51 Donaldson放在自己网页上,我觉得比arxiv更加震撼啊
CSD的文章应该还在审稿中,目前来看没有明显问题。
反之,田刚动用关系,投稿第二天就接收自己的文章。
[5] Partial C0-estimate for Kahler-Einstein metrics
G. Tian Commun. Mat. Stat. I, 105-113
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40304-013-0011-9
The published data in the journal states that it was received on May 21st,
2013 and accepted on May 22nd, 2013.
While one us (Chen)serves on the editorial board of CMS as probably one of
the main experts in complex geometry, he was completely unaware of the
handling of this paper [5] until he was informed by others that it had been
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r******k 发帖数: 97 | 52 在Donaldson主页上
A document concerning recent developments in Kahler-Einstein geometry
就是了
google搜索头条 |
m*********a 发帖数: 2000 | 53 kind of shocking. Tian is really a thief?
have
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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y****i 发帖数: 70 | 54
有这种想法的人才pathetic呢
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】 : u guys are pathetic. : so what, plagiarism? : Tian is still and will remain a big name and powerful. : u guys are only anonymous nobody that no one would ever care.
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L*********s 发帖数: 3063 | 55 thief太多了, Ma的导师赤裸裸的剽窃学生,联合师祖一起迫害Ma,还不是拿他们没辙
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】 : kind of shocking. Tian is really a thief? : : have
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 56 炮弹啊
have
one
roughly
or
we
proofs.
2]
conjecture
6]
filled
and
.3
Matsushima
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 57 这是什么节奏?
The published data in the journal states that it was received on May 21st,
2013 and accepted on May 22nd, 2013.
老田为啥这样呢,按理说院士也上了,fields/wolf也不可能了,还这么热衷于抢
credit,何必呢
have
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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L*********s 发帖数: 3063 | 58 看了下新语丝的网站,方先生还没来摘桃子,国内压下来了?
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 59 方舟子这个烂货,自家网站上全是骂韩寒、老罗、崔永元、肖传国的
【在 L*********s 的大作中提到】 : 看了下新语丝的网站,方先生还没来摘桃子,国内压下来了? : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 60 是的,我一贯支持田,这次有点看不懂了。希望有知情的人说说内幕
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】 : : 有这种想法的人才pathetic呢
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m****m 发帖数: 2211 | 61 耐心,方舟子是反对田刚的,估计会写点什么
【在 M****o 的大作中提到】 : 方舟子这个烂货,自家网站上全是骂韩寒、老罗、崔永元、肖传国的
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b*****d 发帖数: 7166 | 62 唐纳森不能把田刚怎么样,他能做的只是证明田刚独立完成证明的概率是0.1,0.001,
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m*********a 发帖数: 2000 | 63 now everybody knows that Tian Gang is confirmed trash
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 唐纳森不能把田刚怎么样,他能做的只是证明田刚独立完成证明的概率是0.1,0.001, : 。。。 : 但终究不能证明是0.
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m****m 发帖数: 2211 | 64 不过一天论文就被接受显然违背学术规范啊
这个得严查
爱因斯坦的论文还得被审稿呢
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 唐纳森不能把田刚怎么样,他能做的只是证明田刚独立完成证明的概率是0.1,0.001, : 。。。 : 但终究不能证明是0.
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q*d 发帖数: 22178 | 65 田刚再烂也是个学数学的,
方先生的智商也就在文科生面前显示一下优越感,
反田刚太吃力了吧.
【在 m****m 的大作中提到】 : 耐心,方舟子是反对田刚的,估计会写点什么
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b*********e 发帖数: 2642 | 66 这是和他老师丘成桐学的吧,上次丘也是赶时间三天内通过曹朱的论文抢credit。
【在 m****m 的大作中提到】 : 不过一天论文就被接受显然违背学术规范啊 : 这个得严查 : 爱因斯坦的论文还得被审稿呢
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 67 在美国,T已经是个笑话了。一次是纽约的教授讲到Einstein度量,slides里面有CDS的
工作。下面的人就问T的工作。教授很开心,一边说一边大笑:T的第一个版本有gap和
错误,第二个版本还是没有改过来。第二次是听一个加州的教授讲的:D去他们学校给
talk,没有提T的工作。报告后有人问T的工作,D说T的工作有错误。这就是CDS的docu
里面的“在过去的15个月没有公开的反对T”。
【在 m*********a 的大作中提到】 : now everybody knows that Tian Gang is confirmed trash
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l********e 发帖数: 413 | 68 如果分部副主编能够看懂文章,觉得很好很重要,和其他几个副主编商量一下,大家意
见一致,可以直接接收。
爱因斯坦的论文,编辑可能看不懂,要送到外面评审。
【在 m****m 的大作中提到】 : 不过一天论文就被接受显然违背学术规范啊 : 这个得严查 : 爱因斯坦的论文还得被审稿呢
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 69 重点是T的文章是在DS的arxiv的preprint出来之后。
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】 : 如果分部副主编能够看懂文章,觉得很好很重要,和其他几个副主编商量一下,大家意 : 见一致,可以直接接收。 : 爱因斯坦的论文,编辑可能看不懂,要送到外面评审。
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 70 建议看一下文章再来胡扯:
http://intlpress.com/site/pub/files/_fulltext/journals/ajm/2006
Received December 12, 2005; accepted for publication April 16, 2006。
【在 b*********e 的大作中提到】 : 这是和他老师丘成桐学的吧,上次丘也是赶时间三天内通过曹朱的论文抢credit。
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 71 arXiv是贴(准备投jounal的)文章的。
【在 r******k 的大作中提到】 : Donaldson放在自己网页上,我觉得比arxiv更加震撼啊 : CSD的文章应该还在审稿中,目前来看没有明显问题。 : 反之,田刚动用关系,投稿第二天就接收自己的文章。 : [5] Partial C0-estimate for Kahler-Einstein metrics : G. Tian Commun. Mat. Stat. I, 105-113 : http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s40304-013-0011-9 : The published data in the journal states that it was received on May 21st, : 2013 and accepted on May 22nd, 2013. : While one us (Chen)serves on the editorial board of CMS as probably one of : the main experts in complex geometry, he was completely unaware of the
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 72 一个更有效办法是,C邀请D到中科院数学所给个学术报告。
【在 L*********s 的大作中提到】 : 看了下新语丝的网站,方先生还没来摘桃子,国内压下来了? : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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p***p 发帖数: 161 | 73 爱因斯坦那个年代本来就是不审稿的
审稿制度是之后发展起来的
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】 : 如果分部副主编能够看懂文章,觉得很好很重要,和其他几个副主编商量一下,大家意 : 见一致,可以直接接收。 : 爱因斯坦的论文,编辑可能看不懂,要送到外面评审。
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r******k 发帖数: 97 | 74 田看过donaldson在2012年4月的一个报告视频,然后在2012年9月宣布的。 |
b*********e 发帖数: 2642 | 75 这事我就有个印象,上次热闹时候看到的,胡扯也不是我胡扯,呵呵
http://www.xys.org/xys/ebooks/others/science/dajia7/beida166.tx
【在 u**e 的大作中提到】 : 建议看一下文章再来胡扯: : http://intlpress.com/site/pub/files/_fulltext/journals/ajm/2006 : Received December 12, 2005; accepted for publication April 16, 2006。
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u**e 发帖数: 44 | 76 善意的推测是:Yau在05年12月收到了CZ的文章,找了人审稿,审稿意见是强烈推荐发
表。06年4月的email是让整个board投票(一般的情况是handing editor推荐发表的,
board都会通过,因为handing editor是该方向的专家。board通过的时间一般不会拉的
太长)。Yau不希望泄密,因为在和Clay的人竞争。
【在 b*********e 的大作中提到】 : 这事我就有个印象,上次热闹时候看到的,胡扯也不是我胡扯,呵呵 : http://www.xys.org/xys/ebooks/others/science/dajia7/beida166.tx
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i****g 发帖数: 3896 | 77 这文章可是9月份就出来了啊
【在 n***a 的大作中提到】 : CDS很nice啊,如果早一个月放出来,北大数院的百年庆典就该泡汤了,田刚也没机会 : 按风火球了。哈哈
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r******k 发帖数: 97 | 78 最近几天才放到网上
【在 i****g 的大作中提到】 : 这文章可是9月份就出来了啊
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t******s 发帖数: 281 | 79 ma的事情内情并非如此,说他老板受他想法影响可能,但并不是剽窃。ma后来回国后也
说过这事,有人听过,也觉得不是完全剽窃。
【在 L*********s 的大作中提到】 : thief太多了, Ma的导师赤裸裸的剽窃学生,联合师祖一起迫害Ma,还不是拿他们没辙 : : ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8
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R******o 发帖数: 1572 | 80 自己偷偷把学生在做的课题发了文章,还不告诉学生,然后说自己是innocent的?
洗地不是这么洗得
【在 t******s 的大作中提到】 : ma的事情内情并非如此,说他老板受他想法影响可能,但并不是剽窃。ma后来回国后也 : 说过这事,有人听过,也觉得不是完全剽窃。
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h********0 发帖数: 12056 | 81 剽窃80% 70% 也不行。
【在 t******s 的大作中提到】 : ma的事情内情并非如此,说他老板受他想法影响可能,但并不是剽窃。ma后来回国后也 : 说过这事,有人听过,也觉得不是完全剽窃。
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w***s 发帖数: 2658 | |
t******s 发帖数: 281 | 83 话分两头说,我无意替谁洗地,只不过ma的事情我知道一些,ma后来在国内和该领域的
人聊起这件事,大家最后心里都大概有个数。
【在 R******o 的大作中提到】 : 自己偷偷把学生在做的课题发了文章,还不告诉学生,然后说自己是innocent的? : 洗地不是这么洗得
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d******r 发帖数: 16947 | 84 打脸 lol
have
【在 g****a 的大作中提到】 : 全文见 : Xiuxiong Chen, Simon Donaldson, Song Sun : September 19, 2013 : http://www2.imperial.ac.uk/~skdona/KEDEVELOPMENTS-9-19-2013.PDF : 部分摘录 : Gang Tian has made claims to credit for these results. The purpose of this : document is to rebut these claims on the grounds of originality, priority : and correctness of the mathematical arguments. We acknowledge Tian's many : contributions to this field in the past and, partly for this reason, we have : avoided raising our objections publicly over the last 15 months, but it
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