c*******n
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c***r
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One I know just graduated.
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: battery research?
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c*******n
发帖数: 1648 | 3 Do you know how to correlate the flexibilty of a polymer backbone with the
lithium ion mobility?
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: One I know just graduated.
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a***n
发帖数: 578 | 4 any more detail please? References? Thanks
【在 c*******n 的大作中提到】
: Do you know how to correlate the flexibilty of a polymer backbone with the
: lithium ion mobility?
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c*******n
发帖数: 1648 | 5 I don't know details either, I also want to get comments from persons in this
area. You may not want to touch this, which is already dated and recently
commercialized technology. I know Mayes AM at MIT are doing somework on this.
You can google it. Actually I don't even know what polymer is used in industry
although PEO is academically wide dicussed in the past decade.
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: any more detail please? References? Thanks
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c*******n
发帖数: 1648 | 6 Allow me correcting some of my comments: it might be a well developed
technology, but in theory, we don't understand much. For example, the
conductivity can be fit into WLF equation. That's why I raised the question in
the former post. Then, in a sense, "dated" might have been misused here.
this
this.
industry
the
【在 c*******n 的大作中提到】
: I don't know details either, I also want to get comments from persons in this
: area. You may not want to touch this, which is already dated and recently
: commercialized technology. I know Mayes AM at MIT are doing somework on this.
: You can google it. Actually I don't even know what polymer is used in industry
: although PEO is academically wide dicussed in the past decade.
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R***c
发帖数: 648 | 7 I have two Chinese books about this topic,
(1)Gaofenzi luohewude dianzigonggeng, Beingjing Univ. Press, 1990.
Translate from E.Tsuchida etc. edit, Functions and applications of
macromolecular complexes. Vol.3: electronic functions published by Japan
polymer complexes society.
(2)Gaofenzijinshuluohewu, Beijing Univ. Press, 1999.6
Translated from F.Ciardeli, E.Tsuchida & D.Wohrle edit, Macromolecular Metal
Complexes, 1996, by Springer press.
In these two books, they discussed very detaily about th
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: any more detail please? References? Thanks
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 8 report from Pittursburgh:
H Watanabe and his collegues are studying this seemingly.
That Berkeley group under Balsara.
Check check bah...
【在 c*******n 的大作中提到】
: Do you know how to correlate the flexibilty of a polymer backbone with the
: lithium ion mobility?
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c***r
发帖数: 4631 | 9
Not really, I only do TEM for him, and he was focusing on block copolymer. And
I don't remember anything about that in his research.
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: Do you know how to correlate the flexibilty of a polymer backbone with the
: lithium ion mobility?
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a***n
发帖数: 578 | 10 Thanks for your hint. I found several papers of Mayes AM.
In his research, polymer funtionalizes as a composite (something like a
support) but not as lithium polymer. In the battery, Li is still storaged in
the carbon block.
There was some paper talking about Li doped polymer itself.
this
this.
industry
the
If you consider Mayes' work, the mobility of Lithium ion intercalate into
graphite is more important.
【在 c*******n 的大作中提到】
: I don't know details either, I also want to get comments from persons in this
: area. You may not want to touch this, which is already dated and recently
: commercialized technology. I know Mayes AM at MIT are doing somework on this.
: You can google it. Actually I don't even know what polymer is used in industry
: although PEO is academically wide dicussed in the past decade.
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c*******n
发帖数: 1648 | 11 Actually I didn't read more than 2 of her papers. However I do not consider
the polymer is a support in her battery, instead it is the solid electrolyte
(instead of liquid one in traditional battery) which can be easily processed
in industry and can be formed in any shape(you can make a battery like a
film). This is the main reason why polymer lithium battery get popular these
days.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for your hint. I found several papers of Mayes AM.
: In his research, polymer funtionalizes as a composite (something like a
: support) but not as lithium polymer. In the battery, Li is still storaged in
: the carbon block.
: There was some paper talking about Li doped polymer itself.
:
: this
: this.
: industry
: the
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c***r
发帖数: 4631 | 12 Do you ever think grow polymer-lithium battery from diblock or tri-block
copolymer directly on the IC? Or call it "Nano-battery"?
in
recently
with
【在 c*******n 的大作中提到】
: Actually I didn't read more than 2 of her papers. However I do not consider
: the polymer is a support in her battery, instead it is the solid electrolyte
: (instead of liquid one in traditional battery) which can be easily processed
: in industry and can be formed in any shape(you can make a battery like a
: film). This is the main reason why polymer lithium battery get popular these
: days.
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c*******n
发帖数: 1648 | 13 Hehe, that will be cool, but is it expensive to get in-situ? Now Li battery
are getting very cheap. Unless you want to make some spy device:)
【在 c***r 的大作中提到】
: Do you ever think grow polymer-lithium battery from diblock or tri-block
: copolymer directly on the IC? Or call it "Nano-battery"?
:
: in
: recently
: with
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b**s
发帖数: 589 | 14 COOL, if I could get the material, I will do it right now with our machine
【在 c***r 的大作中提到】
: Do you ever think grow polymer-lithium battery from diblock or tri-block
: copolymer directly on the IC? Or call it "Nano-battery"?
:
: in
: recently
: with
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a***n
发帖数: 578 | 15 The bottleneck of Li battery is the energy density can't be high enough.
If you make a Li micro or nano-battery, it may need recharge every ten
minutes.
That is the reason people nowday are developing micro-fuel cell instead of
micro Li battery.
machine
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: COOL, if I could get the material, I will do it right now with our machine
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c*******n
发帖数: 1648 | 16 You got almost everything. But how to define the reaction? Lithium ion do
coordinate with (EO)6. You are right, lithium polymer complex is used as
current transport medium instead of anode, cathode...That's why I called it
electrolyte.
Energy density is low, that's why people want to understand what's the
transporting mechanism in order to increase energy density later by
manupulating molecular level parameter, But maybe it's just a dream of
scientists:)
consider
electrolyte
processed
these
sto
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: The bottleneck of Li battery is the energy density can't be high enough.
: If you make a Li micro or nano-battery, it may need recharge every ten
: minutes.
: That is the reason people nowday are developing micro-fuel cell instead of
: micro Li battery.
:
: machine
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c***r
发帖数: 4631 | 17 but if you want to make some MEMs in human body, integrated battery is better
than integrated fuel cell.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: The bottleneck of Li battery is the energy density can't be high enough.
: If you make a Li micro or nano-battery, it may need recharge every ten
: minutes.
: That is the reason people nowday are developing micro-fuel cell instead of
: micro Li battery.
:
: machine
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c*******n
发帖数: 1648 | 18 Right, in the near future, Li-polymer battery inside the body can be recharged
by electron waves.
better
tri-block
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: but if you want to make some MEMs in human body, integrated battery is better
: than integrated fuel cell.
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a***n
发帖数: 578 | 19 Just went a seminor about Lithium battery and asked about those arguements. I
have to admit that I gave wrong comments over your arguement. hehe. sorry.
in
can't
the
a
persons
in
【在 c*******n 的大作中提到】
: You got almost everything. But how to define the reaction? Lithium ion do
: coordinate with (EO)6. You are right, lithium polymer complex is used as
: current transport medium instead of anode, cathode...That's why I called it
: electrolyte.
: Energy density is low, that's why people want to understand what's the
: transporting mechanism in order to increase energy density later by
: manupulating molecular level parameter, But maybe it's just a dream of
: scientists:)
:
: consider
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c*******n
发帖数: 1648 | 20 It's not your major, neither mine:) This is a discussion board. Discussion
itself can not be either right or wrong. Take it easy.
I
it
and
Li
a
like
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: Just went a seminor about Lithium battery and asked about those arguements. I
: have to admit that I gave wrong comments over your arguement. hehe. sorry.
:
: in
: can't
: the
: a
: persons
: in
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