u****1
发帖数: 216 | 1 本人生物相关专业,想转专业. 看到以前的同学同事转LAW 的居多. 有直接去LAW FIRM
的, 有去LAW SCHOOL的. 想听听大家的建议, 这几个行当, 我都在考虑,其实每个都不
容易.
不知道板上 的前辈怎么说阿? | O*****O
发帖数: 341 | | i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 3 你去年11月就来问过这个问题了，过了那么久还没决定吗？
其实有些事情谁都不知道以后会怎么样，选一条开始走就是了。
FIRM
【在 u****1 的大作中提到】
: 本人生物相关专业,想转专业. 看到以前的同学同事转LAW 的居多. 有直接去LAW FIRM
: 的, 有去LAW SCHOOL的. 想听听大家的建议, 这几个行当, 我都在考虑,其实每个都不
: 容易.
: 不知道板上 的前辈怎么说阿?
| L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 4 better to ask more 2L students at the moment than 前辈. 2L students are the
ones who are facing the job directly.
They will tell you how bad (or good) the current market is.
And better not to start like this: I am intersted in this field and blah
blah blah
Just ask them questions as if you are not interested in this route, so they
can give you honest opinions.
FIRM
【在 u****1 的大作中提到】
: 本人生物相关专业,想转专业. 看到以前的同学同事转LAW 的居多. 有直接去LAW FIRM
: 的, 有去LAW SCHOOL的. 想听听大家的建议, 这几个行当, 我都在考虑,其实每个都不
: 容易.
: 不知道板上 的前辈怎么说阿?
| L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 5 People who are so hesitating usually are more conerning about future job
market. Thus, LZ would better not to take this route, the legal job market
is not better (if not worse) than medical doctors and pharmacists.
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 你去年11月就来问过这个问题了，过了那么久还没决定吗？
: 其实有些事情谁都不知道以后会怎么样，选一条开始走就是了。
:
: FIRM
| u****1
发帖数: 216 | 6 多谢大家的建议
我就是很犹豫. 岁数不小了, 觉得这是自己最后一次机会了, 所以反倒很犹豫.
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: People who are so hesitating usually are more conerning about future job
: market. Thus, LZ would better not to take this route, the legal job market
: is not better (if not worse) than medical doctors and pharmacists.
| i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 7 LZ已经在考药剂师的FPGEE考试了，说明已经心里有了选择。所以我才说选一条路，就
走下去吧，至于能不能走成，那些统计数据或者身边的人的经验不能说毫不相干，但真
的最终还是在你自己。
另外，如果你现在再重新选择读law school，你要至少过5年，才能知道自己是不是能
找到工作。你的那些读law的朋友能或者不能找到工作都不能用来预测你是不是可以。
【在 u****1 的大作中提到】
: 多谢大家的建议
: 我就是很犹豫. 岁数不小了, 觉得这是自己最后一次机会了, 所以反倒很犹豫.
| y*****d
发帖数: 4451 | 8 biology/biochemistry/biotechnology读法律需要：pHD+一作文章。最好已经是
assistant professor。我见过几个hastings毕业的+UCLA master in biochemistry结
果去standford研究所做contract review，简直太屈才了，现在这种background的人太
多。生物千老，大多数都去做law，这个市场早已经饱和。
职业见面会上说：能够胜任这份工作的人，至少手里有简历100份，至于谁得到工作，
就看‘generally like’
原因在于生物IP领域的law firm很多竞争非常激烈。药剂师很好，如果不行去加拿大
pharmD也很吃香，加拿大还有不少pharm bachelor。考board是目前最好的路，一定要
坚持。 | D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 9 LOL what do you expect from Hasting? you know hasting is only a second tier
law school
【在 y*****d 的大作中提到】
: biology/biochemistry/biotechnology读法律需要：pHD+一作文章。最好已经是
: assistant professor。我见过几个hastings毕业的+UCLA master in biochemistry结
: 果去standford研究所做contract review，简直太屈才了，现在这种background的人太
: 多。生物千老，大多数都去做law，这个市场早已经饱和。
: 职业见面会上说：能够胜任这份工作的人，至少手里有简历100份，至于谁得到工作，
: 就看‘generally like’
: 原因在于生物IP领域的law firm很多竞争非常激烈。药剂师很好，如果不行去加拿大
: pharmD也很吃香，加拿大还有不少pharm bachelor。考board是目前最好的路，一定要
: 坚持。
| y*****d
发帖数: 4451 | 10 Oh, sorry I am too stupid not knowing that.
tier
【在 D******D 的大作中提到】
: LOL what do you expect from Hasting? you know hasting is only a second tier
: law school
| | | i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 11 “biology/biochemistry/biotechnology读法律需要：pHD+一作文章。最好已经是
assistant professor。”
真的吗？没见过哪个firm跟你计较你有多少“一作文章“。assistant professor更是
一个都不认识啊。
“生物千老，大多数都去做law，这个市场早已经饱和。”
真的吗？law已经成了生物postdoc的主流去向了吗？
【在 y*****d 的大作中提到】
: biology/biochemistry/biotechnology读法律需要：pHD+一作文章。最好已经是
: assistant professor。我见过几个hastings毕业的+UCLA master in biochemistry结
: 果去standford研究所做contract review，简直太屈才了，现在这种background的人太
: 多。生物千老，大多数都去做law，这个市场早已经饱和。
: 职业见面会上说：能够胜任这份工作的人，至少手里有简历100份，至于谁得到工作，
: 就看‘generally like’
: 原因在于生物IP领域的law firm很多竞争非常激烈。药剂师很好，如果不行去加拿大
: pharmD也很吃香，加拿大还有不少pharm bachelor。考board是目前最好的路，一定要
: 坚持。
| a**********m
发帖数: 2098 | 12 主流不主流不好说，但是僧多粥少是事实
我们专利法的老师在课堂上就已经给各个tech major的patent career prospect排序了
，很不幸，bio和chem垫底
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: “biology/biochemistry/biotechnology读法律需要：pHD+一作文章。最好已经是
: assistant professor。”
: 真的吗？没见过哪个firm跟你计较你有多少“一作文章“。assistant professor更是
: 一个都不认识啊。
: “生物千老，大多数都去做law，这个市场早已经饱和。”
: 真的吗？law已经成了生物postdoc的主流去向了吗？
| u****1
发帖数: 216 | 13 MM慧眼,被发现了.
是阿. 但使自己不是很确定PHARMACIST是不是有挑战性,觉得趁着自己还能选择,可以走
一条更有发展的路. ( 不是说PHARMACIST没有发展)
不知道PHARMACIST 成为IP LAWYER是不是更好,想来不是很多PHAMRACIST去当LAWYER把
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: LZ已经在考药剂师的FPGEE考试了，说明已经心里有了选择。所以我才说选一条路，就
: 走下去吧，至于能不能走成，那些统计数据或者身边的人的经验不能说毫不相干，但真
: 的最终还是在你自己。
: 另外，如果你现在再重新选择读law school，你要至少过5年，才能知道自己是不是能
: 找到工作。你的那些读law的朋友能或者不能找到工作都不能用来预测你是不是可以。
| u****1
发帖数: 216 | 14 自己也知道这条路肯定人很多,从我身边的朋友就看出来了. 觉得大家都说不好找, 但
是好像最后都找到了. 当然别人的CASE不能完全重复.
【在 y*****d 的大作中提到】
: biology/biochemistry/biotechnology读法律需要：pHD+一作文章。最好已经是
: assistant professor。我见过几个hastings毕业的+UCLA master in biochemistry结
: 果去standford研究所做contract review，简直太屈才了，现在这种background的人太
: 多。生物千老，大多数都去做law，这个市场早已经饱和。
: 职业见面会上说：能够胜任这份工作的人，至少手里有简历100份，至于谁得到工作，
: 就看‘generally like’
: 原因在于生物IP领域的law firm很多竞争非常激烈。药剂师很好，如果不行去加拿大
: pharmD也很吃香，加拿大还有不少pharm bachelor。考board是目前最好的路，一定要
: 坚持。
| y**o
发帖数: 2115 | 15 what about other majors? mind sharing that ranking here?
【在 a**********m 的大作中提到】
: 主流不主流不好说，但是僧多粥少是事实
: 我们专利法的老师在课堂上就已经给各个tech major的patent career prospect排序了
: ，很不幸，bio和chem垫底
| a**********m
发帖数: 2098 | 16 她就是给了个很general的概括，EE、CS最好，Bio和Chem比较低。不过这应该是她个人
的经验之谈，没有empirical data
【在 y**o 的大作中提到】
: what about other majors? mind sharing that ranking here?
| s**********g
发帖数: 186 | 17 Agree.
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 你去年11月就来问过这个问题了，过了那么久还没决定吗？
: 其实有些事情谁都不知道以后会怎么样，选一条开始走就是了。
:
: FIRM
| P*******a
发帖数: 4 | 18 First, I am a 2L at UC Hastings, so I can only speak for current
California legal market.
First, LZ's starting point is wrong. If you are god at law, your
bioscience background is irrelevant. If you decide to go to law
school, forget about bioscience.
Second, be warned, law is a very competitive field. There are too
many lawyers and law students. So, if you are not the best, you have
no good job.
Third, law school ranking matters. If you are in a top 14 school (I
only know situations at Stanford and Berkeley), you have a good shot
for big law as long as you stay in the top half of your class. At
Hastings, only the top 25% have a good chance for big law. So, go to
the best law school if you can.
Fourth, patent law is only a niche market, and only patent prosecution
requires a science background. Patent prosecution is not the main
source of revenue at a big law firm, and smaller parent firms can
provide much competitive price for better services. Translation: the
partner prospect for a patent prosecutor (Chinese) at big law is not
great. So, don't limit yourself.
Finally, students who have bio background are facing an unpromising
job prospect compared to those EE and CS people. This obsevervation
is limited to the present silicon valley legal market. My background
is bio, but I cannot get any bio related job. I ends up with a big
law summer associate job doing IP transaction and IT patent
litigation. Another big law recruited me to do patent prosecution,
but for solar technology. They said that they trust Chinese students
from PKU or Tsinghua. Chinese scientists and engineers are smart
enough to handle patent applications from a different tech field.
Actually, most patent attorneys do deal with cases that are very
remote to their tech background. Remember, they would hire you
because you are a good lawyer, not because you are a
scientist/engineer.
If there is one good reason to go to law school, it should be your
genuine interests of practicing law. Law school/practice is very
stressful, and very boring for most people. It is very expensive, and
thus risky.
In sum, being a lawyer is not a "good job" unless you like it. | z******n
发帖数: 336 | 19 well said well said
【在 P*******a 的大作中提到】
: First, I am a 2L at UC Hastings, so I can only speak for current
: California legal market.
: First, LZ's starting point is wrong. If you are god at law, your
: bioscience background is irrelevant. If you decide to go to law
: school, forget about bioscience.
: Second, be warned, law is a very competitive field. There are too
: many lawyers and law students. So, if you are not the best, you have
: no good job.
: Third, law school ranking matters. If you are in a top 14 school (I
: only know situations at Stanford and Berkeley), you have a good shot
| i*******p
发帖数: 297 | 20 看着jobhunting版一个比一个高的OFFER
上周12W+的package, 这周报16W6的了, 下周估计18W, LAW是够应当了, LOL.
FIRM
【在 u****1 的大作中提到】
: 本人生物相关专业,想转专业. 看到以前的同学同事转LAW 的居多. 有直接去LAW FIRM
: 的, 有去LAW SCHOOL的. 想听听大家的建议, 这几个行当, 我都在考虑,其实每个都不
: 容易.
: 不知道板上 的前辈怎么说阿?
| | | D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 21 agree most part, don't know the detail of hasting job situation, but at
Stanford you don't need to be top 50% to have a shot at big law, berkeley
top 75% probably is enough to land a big law job with a Ph.D.
And one important reason we choose prosecution is we still can have a pretty
decent working hours (social life) compared with people doing other aspects
of patent. | L**P
发帖数: 3792 | 22 From NYtimes
"...Now it looks as if that dilution of ideals was done in vain, as many
lawyers and many law school graduates cannot find legal jobs. Last week
Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco announced a 20 percent cut in
its enrollment...For a generation, a law degree seemed to be a get-rich
guarantee. No longer... "
【在 P*******a 的大作中提到】
: First, I am a 2L at UC Hastings, so I can only speak for current
: California legal market.
: First, LZ's starting point is wrong. If you are god at law, your
: bioscience background is irrelevant. If you decide to go to law
: school, forget about bioscience.
: Second, be warned, law is a very competitive field. There are too
: many lawyers and law students. So, if you are not the best, you have
: no good job.
: Third, law school ranking matters. If you are in a top 14 school (I
: only know situations at Stanford and Berkeley), you have a good shot
| D******D
发帖数: 1022 | 23 so it is responsible for law school to cut back in the current situation and
lots of law school already done so.
Hasting still have pretty decent reputation in public interest area, but not
so much in private practice, and for most chinese students public interest
is not really an option.
【在 L**P 的大作中提到】
: From NYtimes
: "...Now it looks as if that dilution of ideals was done in vain, as many
: lawyers and many law school graduates cannot find legal jobs. Last week
: Hastings College of the Law in San Francisco announced a 20 percent cut in
: its enrollment...For a generation, a law degree seemed to be a get-rich
: guarantee. No longer... "
| l*****2
发帖数: 799 | 24 If anyone is a god at law, don't come over here, run for the president of
the United States or at least a senator.
Bioscience is the stepping stone to get a job. Being in Hastings does not
guarantee a job.
bioscience background is irrelevant. If you decide to go to law
school, forget about bioscience.
【在 P*******a 的大作中提到】
: First, I am a 2L at UC Hastings, so I can only speak for current
: California legal market.
: First, LZ's starting point is wrong. If you are god at law, your
: bioscience background is irrelevant. If you decide to go to law
: school, forget about bioscience.
: Second, be warned, law is a very competitive field. There are too
: many lawyers and law students. So, if you are not the best, you have
: no good job.
: Third, law school ranking matters. If you are in a top 14 school (I
: only know situations at Stanford and Berkeley), you have a good shot
| P*******a
发帖数: 4 | 25 Sorry, my typo.
I meant "anyone is GOOD at law", not "god at law".
【在 l*****2 的大作中提到】
: If anyone is a god at law, don't come over here, run for the president of
: the United States or at least a senator.
: Bioscience is the stepping stone to get a job. Being in Hastings does not
: guarantee a job.
:
: bioscience background is irrelevant. If you decide to go to law
: school, forget about bioscience.
| u****1
发帖数: 216 | 26 Thanks for your info and suggestions.
I guess without any practice, i COULD NOT say I like it or not.
【在 P*******a 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, my typo.
: I meant "anyone is GOOD at law", not "god at law".
| c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 27 I'm god at law. It's not that big of a deal | p*********g
发帖数: 9527 | 28 这话实在。
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: 你去年11月就来问过这个问题了，过了那么久还没决定吗？
: 其实有些事情谁都不知道以后会怎么样，选一条开始走就是了。
:
: FIRM
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