m******t
发帖数: 1694 | 1 目前打算是明年秋季入学, 现在看经济这么烂, 不知道法律市场最近几年会如何? 应
该说市场经济, 都是有关系的吧? 波动到是迟早的事情. 兄弟我现在在制造业混饭吃
, 前景还不错, 公司小, 但是目前是订单做不完, 市场越开越大那种,工资不高, 但有
点旱涝保收的意思. 年纪一大把了, 不能risk失业的危险了, 那位牛人来指点指点?
谢过. |
D**********s
发帖数: 320 | 2 Corporate: yes because the most lucrative practice heavily depends on the
financial service industry.
IP & Litigation: no |
a**v
发帖数: 406 | 3 Bankruptcy Law will be very good |
M*******k
发帖数: 249 | 4 哎 俺的梦想就是去做corporation lawer呢。。。。。
【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】
: Corporate: yes because the most lucrative practice heavily depends on the
: financial service industry.
: IP & Litigation: no
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D**********s
发帖数: 320 | 5 That's like feasting on a limited number of dead bodies. I am not looking
forward to it.
【在 a**v 的大作中提到】
: Bankruptcy Law will be very good
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c*******i
发帖数: 951 | 6 Some NYC biglaws will stop kicking by the end of this year. |
j****i
发帖数: 496 | 7 I think if you focus on global (esp. Asia) market, the situation is not too
bad. There are lots of oversea acquisitions that are expected to happen
over the next couple of years in Asia (Japan, Singapore, Korea, ...).
Also, I would expect labor and employment attorneys be in demand.
It's gonna be a lot more competitive to get a good job. Don't hang yourself
to the corporate rope.
【在 M*******k 的大作中提到】
: 哎 俺的梦想就是去做corporation lawer呢。。。。。
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r********e
发帖数: 86 | 8 It's just a matter of time before this downturn spreads to Asia. The Asian
job market has tightened up comparing to earlier this year. Partly because
of the general doubt of the economy, partly because a larger than normal
number of Chinese attorneys are going back, voluntarily or not. It's still
better than the States, but with the tight global credit market, there is no
telling whether or not any big deals would still happen as planned. |
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 9 做prosecution的所谓big law就那么几个都能数出来，每年就招那么几个人，象Finneg
an这种基本还是内部消化agents，然后现在一堆PHD去上法学院，难找也是正常。
litigation还不错不过中国人语言一般到不了那个程度。除了那几个Boutique，GP基本
都是litigation only为了避免被disqualify加上GP觉得prosecution利润太低不愿意做
no |
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 10 被中国人挤满不至于，乌央乌央的以前学eecs的老美在往里面挤，国人不占什么优势
反正我不建议国人觉得自己有个PHD觉得自己有做IP的优势就去上法学院，要上就正经
上个好学校让自己到时候有资本找任何一个practice的工作。 |
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i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 11 TOP 50% in Top 20？
Which top 20?
no |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 12 I don't think wall street failed because there are too many Chinese. |
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 13 我反正不看好那个，饼就那么大，越来越多的人往里挤，而且更麻烦的是现在patent p
rosecution 为降低成本outsource到印巴的趋势越来越明显 |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 14 maybe now one somehow needs such a credential, as we speak. :)
The world is ever changing, so is the job market. |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 15 Are you in this industry?
p
【在 h*******i 的大作中提到】
: 我反正不看好那个，饼就那么大，越来越多的人往里挤，而且更麻烦的是现在patent p
: rosecution 为降低成本outsource到印巴的趋势越来越明显
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h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 16 不在，认识很多人在
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: Are you in this industry?
:
: p
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 17 This will not happen because:
(1) law school seats are capped
(2) going to law school costs too much money
(3) going to law school takes too long
(4) law is outside the comfort zone of most engineers/scientists |
s**d
发帖数: 142 | 18 Wrong. Outsourcing patent prosecution to India will not
happen because:
(1) It's hard enough to find good patent prosecutors in the US, let along in
India.
(2) It take too long to train a patent prosecutor, with the low profit
margin of typical outsource arrangements, the business model cannot be
scalable and hence is not profitable.
(3) The congress is imposing export control on outsourced patent work, so
there is a huge legal liability issue.
p
【在 h*******i 的大作中提到】
: 我反正不看好那个，饼就那么大，越来越多的人往里挤，而且更麻烦的是现在patent p
: rosecution 为降低成本outsource到印巴的趋势越来越明显
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h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 19 Congress在干什么我不知道，反正我知道不少所把写application的部分outsouce了，美
国这边做office action.
至于培训一个prosecutor写个application的时间，按跟我聊过的partner的说法：6个月
。
当然你可能是那个行业内的人知道的更多
in
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: Wrong. Outsourcing patent prosecution to India will not
: happen because:
: (1) It's hard enough to find good patent prosecutors in the US, let along in
: India.
: (2) It take too long to train a patent prosecutor, with the low profit
: margin of typical outsource arrangements, the business model cannot be
: scalable and hence is not profitable.
: (3) The congress is imposing export control on outsourced patent work, so
: there is a huge legal liability issue.
:
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 20 I assume most of them are Bio/Chem majors. Bio/Chem patent market is
saturated not because there are too many Chinese people, but because there
are too many Bio/Chem PhDs. The Bio/Chem patent market was already
saturated before these Chinese students got the wind. |
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 21 whoever you talked to, that's called a "bottom feeder" in this business.
，美
个月
【在 h*******i 的大作中提到】
: Congress在干什么我不知道，反正我知道不少所把写application的部分outsouce了，美
: 国这边做office action.
: 至于培训一个prosecutor写个application的时间，按跟我聊过的partner的说法：6个月
: 。
: 当然你可能是那个行业内的人知道的更多
:
: in
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h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 22 这种flatfee的行业有什么bottom不bottom，fish在这个行业还可以了吧，那人是fish的
partner
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: whoever you talked to, that's called a "bottom feeder" in this business.
:
: ，美
: 个月
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 23 you never said what type of engineering. it could be civil, chemical,
mechanical, material, or EE/CS. If it's EE/CS, sweet. If not, good luck.
Again, the point is, the market is not saturated because of Chinese people. |
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 24 这是显然的，法律不是quant，不需要什么数学之类的，国人没什么优势。倒是老美的e
ecs一堆堆的人往里挤
.
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: you never said what type of engineering. it could be civil, chemical,
: mechanical, material, or EE/CS. If it's EE/CS, sweet. If not, good luck.
: Again, the point is, the market is not saturated because of Chinese people.
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 25 that guy is just waiting for one of his patents to blow up in his face in
litigation:
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/notices/73fr42781.pdf
fish的
【在 h*******i 的大作中提到】
: 这种flatfee的行业有什么bottom不bottom，fish在这个行业还可以了吧，那人是fish的
: partner
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h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 26 现在已经出现不少做一个patent几千快的小所了，以后patent prosecution这一块变成
小作坊工业的可能性很大
大所象fish做一个也就一万多一点，考虑到大所那么高的billing rate，写那玩意的速
度可真得够快 |
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 27 这倒是个好消息，起码止住outsource，不然都outsource到印巴，这行业就彻底完了
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: that guy is just waiting for one of his patents to blow up in his face in
: litigation:
: http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/notices/73fr42781.pdf
:
: fish的
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 28 These cheap boutiques have been in existence for many years. Many patent
attorneys in the midwest or south charge only a few thousand bucks per case.
They have never presented a real threat to the higher-fee attorneys.
Bottom line is, good patent prosecutors are hard to come by, because it
takes a sharp mind, solid technical understanding, and years of practice to
make a good prosecutor. If a client wants high quality patents, it has to
pay higher fees. Cheap bozo patent attorneys can be a
【在 h*******i 的大作中提到】
: 现在已经出现不少做一个patent几千快的小所了，以后patent prosecution这一块变成
: 小作坊工业的可能性很大
: 大所象fish做一个也就一万多一点，考虑到大所那么高的billing rate，写那玩意的速
: 度可真得够快
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h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 29 中国人去读的障碍还是不小的，尤其是现在外国学生拿不到贷款，有绿卡的不在考虑的
范围内，将近20万的学费加生活费还是很多钱的。主要还是美国人在占职位，同样的背
景，律所肯定更愿意招美国人。 |
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 30 等过两年经济好了，去一个好法学院，考个好成绩，不要因为自己的理工背景而决定是
不是上法学院，上哪个法学院。理工背景的帮助只会越来越小。 |
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s**d
发帖数: 142 | 31 靠，闹了半天你们俩没一个是法学院的，真是两小儿辩日。 |
h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 32 他不是
我只是说我不在patent prosecution这个industry里面
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: 靠，闹了半天你们俩没一个是法学院的，真是两小儿辩日。
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h*******i
发帖数: 1626 | 33 主要还是lsat。不建议你现在读，法学院第二年初就得找到工作，而且基本就那么一次
机会，谁知道经济什么时候复苏 |
s**d
发帖数: 142 | |
d*****r
发帖数: 2583 | 35 ok, 无意在版面引起争论，讨论这个也很无聊，我自己删掉算了。
good night.
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: 你给的全是二三手的hearsay，误导。
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d*****r
发帖数: 2583 | 36 我唯一想说的是这个行业未来几年会竞争很惨烈，两个原因：
1，技术公司大规模裁员，
2，大量的名校PhD积极考虑进入这个行业
第一点基于众所周知的事实，第二点是各校里面我自己认识的人。
我搞不清楚你所谓的hearsay是什么意思？我从来也无意“导”谁。
其他的论题我也没有做过评论，仅此而已。
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: 你给的全是二三手的hearsay，误导。
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c*********n
发帖数: 52 | 37 Q: 最近以后法律市场会差么?
A: Yes. But if you enroll in LS next Fall, chances are that the legal market
will have improved by your 2L year, just in time for your 2L OCI season.
More importantly, the legal market should recover by your 3L year, and if
you have good grades at a TOP 14 school, you will have another chance.
The more fundamental question, however is "Why do you want to go to LS?"
Recently, way too many our fellow Chinese are drawn to this field because of
money. Although there is nothing wro |
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 38 Good comments!
One does need the right attitude to go to law school. Going after money will
likely bring you disappointment.
market
of
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】
: Q: 最近以后法律市场会差么?
: A: Yes. But if you enroll in LS next Fall, chances are that the legal market
: will have improved by your 2L year, just in time for your 2L OCI season.
: More importantly, the legal market should recover by your 3L year, and if
: you have good grades at a TOP 14 school, you will have another chance.
: The more fundamental question, however is "Why do you want to go to LS?"
: Recently, way too many our fellow Chinese are drawn to this field because of
: money. Although there is nothing wro
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z*****l
发帖数: 3472 | 39 Yeah, to practice law, you need to be smart, but not that smart (unlike
scientific research); the most important thing is to pour time into it, to
think about it all the time. A lot of legal work is boring. Those and
probably only those who really enjoy it stand out.
market
of
【在 c*********n 的大作中提到】
: Q: 最近以后法律市场会差么?
: A: Yes. But if you enroll in LS next Fall, chances are that the legal market
: will have improved by your 2L year, just in time for your 2L OCI season.
: More importantly, the legal market should recover by your 3L year, and if
: you have good grades at a TOP 14 school, you will have another chance.
: The more fundamental question, however is "Why do you want to go to LS?"
: Recently, way too many our fellow Chinese are drawn to this field because of
: money. Although there is nothing wro
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