d********4
发帖数: 32 | 1 楼主前两天还在纠结 h1b vs 更好的工作的问题
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/JobHunting/32963833.html
经过版里筒子一顿教训，楼主知错了。。H1B的确来之不易。。楼主也想好了，先保H1B
为重。
没想到今天又有新进展！！
新公司的HR打电话来说，他们有可能说服律师帮楼主transfer H1B！但有一个前提：无
论denial还是approval，都必须选择新公司了，i.e.，不能说transfer denial的话还
想回旧公司。
现在楼主想跟大家分享一下最近搜索到的所有关于10月之前transfer的信息。也求大家
知道的信息和input！
1. 楼主给至少15个移民律师打过电话，大概一半说可以，一半说不行。说不行的律师
大多提到了移民局最近的新规定新理解，就是10月之前的transfer不能exempt from
cap。而在2014年之前都是可以的。
2. 在所有说可以的律师里面，楼主选择了张大钦律师进行深入交谈并做了500刀的付费
咨询。楼主问了10个关于H1B transfer before Oct 1st的问题，而且是非常细节的问
题。比如说最近移民局的新规定或新理解怎么看，没有2 pay stub怎么办等等。张律师
做了非常详细的解答。总之张律师认为transfer没问题。详细问答贴在文末。
另外，张律师还说去年他们律所做了一个H1B transfer before Oct 1st， approval了
没有任何问题。
3. 请看immigration girl关于H1B transfer before Oct 1st的讨论：
http://immigrationgirl.com/caution-ahead-new-interpretation-may
大家注意细节的话会发现这个贴子一开始是2014年八月发出来的。一开始immigration
girl警告说十月之前transfer可能会被RFE。但是大家注意10月6号她又发了一个update
，说transfer成功！这里我再copy&paste一下：
*******Update 10/6/14**********
We have received approval of a new change of status from F-1 to H-1B filed
before October 1st with a new employer. We cited the 06/19/2001 Cronin Memo
stating that because the worker has been counted once toward the FY2015
numerical limit and is the beneficiary of an approved petition, he is exempt
from the H-1B cap. There was an RFE on the case, but it did not raise the
issue of cap exemption.
大家注意在她的case里面她引用了一个cronin memo作为证据，表明即使十月之前也是
已经has been counted once的。
这个cronin memo楼主也找到了，见这里（第四页）：
http://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/pressrelease/ac2
基于以上这些信息，希望大家给些意见。有的律师说如果transfer，不仅可能被denial
，而且连之前有的H1B也可能被revoke，所以是双重风险。但有的律师又说没有风险。
不知道小伙伴们有什么别的信息没？谢谢了！
附10个问题和10个答案（by Daqin Zhang）（这可是500刀买的哦！现在分享给大家）
1. I have an approved H1B from company A, but haven't started working for
them yet. Now I have a new job offer and want go to company B. Do I have to
wait until Oct 1st to file the H1B transfer? If not, why?
No. You have been counted into the quota and you can transfer that quota
into a new H1B petition filed by the new employer prior to October 1, as
long as the previous employer does not revoke the H1B before October 1.
2. Recent evidence suggests that USCIS has followed a new interpretation
which might prohibit H1B workers (who have obtained approved H1B) from
changing employers before Oct 1st. The H1B application filed by the new
employer will still be considered as "subject to cap" because the original
H1B has never been activated. Do you think this is an issue? If not, could
you provide a detailed explanation?
I am not aware of this so-called new interpretation.
Based on an USCIS Service Center Operations Directorate (SCOPS) and American
Immigration Lawyers Association (AILA) Teleconference Agenda dated May 21,
2014, this question was posed:
If a petition counted under the cap is subsequently withdrawn, is the
beneficiary no longer considered to have been counted? In WAC1404950868, CSC
indicated that the beneficiary of an H-1B petition that was approved but
then revoked prior to the start of the fiscal year is not considered exempt
for subsequent H-1B petitions. Is this correct, and if yes, would the
response be different if the petition was revoked after the beginning of the
fiscal year.
In response to the above question, USCIS indicated that if an H-1B approval
is revoked before the beneficiary can be considered in H-1B status, i.e.
before October 1 of the given year or if the beneficiary does consular
processing, prior to using the petition to apply for a visa/admission, then
the beneficiary would NOT be considered under the cap. Please refer to the
attached AILA/SCOPS Teleconference Agenda Notes from AILA Committee.
Thus, you have been counted into the quota and occupy a slot as long as the
employer does not revoke it prior to October 1.
3. Can you give an estimate on the probability of approval for filing H1B
transfer before Oct 1st (specific to my case). You can answer in term of
percentages, or in terms of "absolutely-certain", "most-likely", "likely", "
possible" or "not-likely".
Assuming that your previous employer does not revoke your H1B before October
1, I don’t worry the transferability of your H1B quota. Assuming that your
H1B meets the “specialty occupation” and prevailing wage requirements,
your new H1B petition should have very high chance to be approved if the
petition is represented by a competent and experienced immigration attorney.
4. Since I haven't started working for company A yet, I do not have 2 pay-
stubs which might be required for the H1B transfer. What is your opinion on
this? If you think it's not required, why?
Requiring pay stubs or not depends on the circumstance. If you extend H1B
status from an active H1B employment to another H1B employment, you need to
submit pay stubs to show that you are now in valid H1B status.
In your case, you are changing from opt to H1B. Even for your new H1B
petition, you are changing status from OPT to H1B. According to USCIS’s
Student and Exchange Visitor Program Policy Guidance 1004-03 regarding OPT,
under Section 7.2.1, unpaid employment qualifies as one type of employment
allowed for regular pre- and post-completion OPT. The guidance states: “A
student may work as a volunteer or unpaid intern, where this practice does
not violate any labor laws. The work must be at least 20 hours per week for
a student on post-completion OPT. A student must be able to provide
evidence acquired from the student’s employer to verify that the student
worked at least 20 hours per week during the period of employment.” (See p
. 17 – 18 of attached SEVP Policy Guidance 1004-03.) Thus, a person can
have valid OPT status by engaging in voluntary unpaid job, and you do not
have to present pay stubs to prove your valid OPT status. A person may have
up to three months unemployment during OPT term.
“H1B transfer” is a misleading concept. H1B status cannot transfer and
does not need to transfer. It is the quota (slot in the quota system)
that you have occupied, which will be transferred into the new H1B petition.
5. Is it true that USCIS does not have a clear cut rule or policy on this
type of applications? Is it possible that different immigration officers may
have different opinions on the exact same case?
USCIS is pretty clear on quota transferability. Even before you actually
working for the new employer, even before October 1, you can transfer the
quota you have successfully claimed, as long as your H1B approval has not
been revoked by the previous employer.
6. For filing H1B transfer before Oct 1st, is there any different approach/
strategy/tactic we should take, as compared to H1B transfer in the normal
case? Is there any further explanation we should make to increase the chance
for approval?
No need for particular explanation or emphasis. Just include a copy of the
H1B approval notice, and the USCIS will honor that for you.
7. Should there be any difference in writing the petition letter for H1B
transfer before Oct 1st, as compared to the normal case? If yes, in what way?
No need for extended discussion on this. You can mention that you have
been counted into the quota once, provide them the case number, and they
will be able to find out and honor your request to transfer the quota.
8. Should there be any difference in describing the proposed job duties for
H1B transfer before Oct 1st, as compared to the normal case? If yes, in what
way?
No special requirements on this.
9. Should there be any difference in describing the beneficiary's present
occupation and summary of prior work experience for H1B transfer before Oct
1st, as compared to the normal case? If yes, in what way?
No special requirements. Just tell the truth, only the truth.
10. If our H1B transfer application (filed by the new company) is denied,
would we suffer from the risk that USCIS might revisit the approved H1B
application from company A (the original company) and possible revoke the
approved H1B (the original H1B). How likely is such risk?
No such risk. H1B petition is based on a “prospective job offer”. H1B
positions are at-will employment. The employer or the employee can
terminate the job at any time for any reason or no reason at all. The
employer certainly can withdraw a job offer. No fraud issue at all.
Usually, if there is no fraud finding or conviction, the USCIS would not
take initiative to revoke a case. |
w**p
发帖数: 4080 | 2 假如A approve了，transfer 到B也approve了。
然后楼主辞职，这时候A公司withdraw。 请问withdraw会影响已经Approve的 H1b
transfer吗？ |
c******y
发帖数: 3269 | 3 This scenario is very YMMV, and there is no ultimately correct answer.
You may need to take your own risk. |
d********4
发帖数: 32 | 4 一旦B approve了那就没问题。
【在 w**p 的大作中提到】
: 假如A approve了，transfer 到B也approve了。
: 然后楼主辞职，这时候A公司withdraw。 请问withdraw会影响已经Approve的 H1b
: transfer吗？
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d********i
发帖数: 582 | 5 如果transfer denial，请问会有什么后果吗？ |
d********4
发帖数: 32 | 6 有的律师说如果denial，你之前的H1B也有可能被revoke掉
但也不是一定的。。
【在 d********i 的大作中提到】
: 如果transfer denial，请问会有什么后果吗？
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z*******o
发帖数: 4773 | 7 我在学校的时候学校老师告诉我们的一个案例：
一个阿三学生自作聪明在生效前transfer，结果被原来公司取消，傻逼了。 |
d*****c
发帖数: 605 | 8 还是那句话，有risk，lz要自己考虑要不要take the risk |
t******d
发帖数: 1383 | 9 问题是，h1b transfer如果denial了，你如何去B公司呢 |
t******d
发帖数: 1383 | |
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d********4
发帖数: 32 | 11 OPT呗
【在 t******d 的大作中提到】
: 问题是，h1b transfer如果denial了，你如何去B公司呢
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w**p
发帖数: 4080 | 12 反正我觉得最稳妥就是transfer成功了再辞职。。
deny了，就耍赖不去B公司，大不了赔偿H1B费用。。 |
d********4
发帖数: 32 | 13 那估计是transfer之前让原公司知道了
【在 z*******o 的大作中提到】
: 我在学校的时候学校老师告诉我们的一个案例：
: 一个阿三学生自作聪明在生效前transfer，结果被原来公司取消，傻逼了。
|
d********4
发帖数: 32 | 14 啥意思？
【在 t******d 的大作中提到】
: 太黑了！
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L***s
发帖数: 1148 | 15 多谢分享！
你律师多次提到“假设h1b不被原雇主revoke”——这事发生的可能性多大？如何避免？
H1B
【在 d********4 的大作中提到】
: 楼主前两天还在纠结 h1b vs 更好的工作的问题
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/JobHunting/32963833.html
: 经过版里筒子一顿教训，楼主知错了。。H1B的确来之不易。。楼主也想好了，先保H1B
: 为重。
: 没想到今天又有新进展！！
: 新公司的HR打电话来说，他们有可能说服律师帮楼主transfer H1B！但有一个前提：无
: 论denial还是approval，都必须选择新公司了，i.e.，不能说transfer denial的话还
: 想回旧公司。
: 现在楼主想跟大家分享一下最近搜索到的所有关于10月之前transfer的信息。也求大家
: 知道的信息和input！
|
w******g
发帖数: 189 | 16 有几个问题，在没向公司A辞职的时候公司B就可以帮忙transfer H-1B了？那么公司A有
可能知道吗？
如果公司B transfer成功，这个H-1B在10月1日前是什么状态？算谁的？被别的公司转
走了公司A会不知道？
H-1B transfer一般要多久？ |
d********4
发帖数: 32 | 17 就是整个操作不能让原雇主知道。。。
免？
【在 L***s 的大作中提到】
: 多谢分享！
: 你律师多次提到“假设h1b不被原雇主revoke”——这事发生的可能性多大？如何避免？
:
: H1B
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d********4
发帖数: 32 | 18 恩 可以
那么公司A有可能知道吗？
反正移民局不会主动通知。有没有其他途径知道不清楚。
算是approval但是没有validate
算谁的？
我的理解一个人是可以同时hold多个H1B的。就比如你可以同时让多个公司给你申请H1B
transfer。你看烙印之所以能一人file多份也是这个意思。移民局对这个是允许的。
被别的公司转走了公司A会不知道？
不会主动通知。
H-1B transfer一般要多久？
premium processing应该2-3周。 |
V*********r
发帖数: 666 | 19 如果Fragomen跟A公司和B公司同时签了协议
Fragomen和A公司的协议中有没有可能包含如下条款：
“如果其他公司通过Fragomen为A公司的现雇员办理H1B transfer，
Fragomen有义务告知A公司”？
如果该条款存在，是否合法？
如果知道该条款是否存在？
H1B
【在 d********4 的大作中提到】
: 恩 可以
: 那么公司A有可能知道吗？
: 反正移民局不会主动通知。有没有其他途径知道不清楚。
: 算是approval但是没有validate
: 算谁的？
: 我的理解一个人是可以同时hold多个H1B的。就比如你可以同时让多个公司给你申请H1B
: transfer。你看烙印之所以能一人file多份也是这个意思。移民局对这个是允许的。
: 被别的公司转走了公司A会不知道？
: 不会主动通知。
: H-1B transfer一般要多久？
|
w******g
发帖数: 189 | 20 我现在也遇到了比较棘手的问题。我的情况是这样的：
现在用OPT在公司A工作，H-1B已经批准，10月1日生效。本人OPT 6月末过期。我在5月
初刚申请了STEM OPT extension，现在还没出结果。现在我想在7月跳去公司B，B没有e
verify。
有几个问题：
我是否可以取消STEM OPT extension的申请来获得cap gap extension到9月30日？怎么
取消？
不取消STEM OPT extension申请，是否也可以用regular opt 的cap gap extension到9
月30日？
如果实在没办法，只能让新公司考虑加入e verify。这个手续复杂么？为什么很多公司
不愿意加入？
希望有经验的达人帮忙解答。 |
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d********4
发帖数: 32 | 21 你这个问题太复杂了，还是问律师吧。。
有e
到9
【在 w******g 的大作中提到】
: 我现在也遇到了比较棘手的问题。我的情况是这样的：
: 现在用OPT在公司A工作，H-1B已经批准，10月1日生效。本人OPT 6月末过期。我在5月
: 初刚申请了STEM OPT extension，现在还没出结果。现在我想在7月跳去公司B，B没有e
: verify。
: 有几个问题：
: 我是否可以取消STEM OPT extension的申请来获得cap gap extension到9月30日？怎么
: 取消？
: 不取消STEM OPT extension申请，是否也可以用regular opt 的cap gap extension到9
: 月30日？
: 如果实在没办法，只能让新公司考虑加入e verify。这个手续复杂么？为什么很多公司
|
x********3
发帖数: 62 | 22 面临同样的问题，楼主有新的消息嘛？
不过就算transfer失败，也可以用OPT工作~ |
N*********e
发帖数: 25 | 23 谢谢楼主的详细分享,很有帮助，但还有几个关键疑问确认下:
1. 如果在10月1号前新雇主file H1B transfer application but denied,那么：
1）在现雇主approved的H1B是否还能在10月1日正常生效，以H1B身份在现雇主继续工作
？如果是，那风险不大啊，大不了继续留在原雇主工作
2）如果新雇主在10月1日后再重新file H1B transfer，是否能通过？还是会因为10月1
日前的denied transfer影响10月1日后同一雇主再为同一beneficiary再次申请H1B
transfer?
2. 如果在10月1号前新雇主file H1B transfer application and approved, 申请人跳
到新雇主，但原雇主在10月1日前withdraw之前approved H1B,那新approved H1B
transfer是否就作废了？申请人只能来年重新抽签？
如果原雇主是在10月1日后才withdraw之前approved的H1b,是不是就什么影响都没有？
3. 总结一下的话，似乎10月1日前H1B transfer的关键就是要让现雇主不在10月1日
withdraw H1B.有人提到一旦员工辞职，雇主有义务向USCIS汇报，请问有没有规定说，
一旦员工辞职，原雇主必须在一定时间内（例如几个月内）withdraw该员工的H1B? 如
果有，这个时间具体是多久？
谢谢！
H1B
【在 d********4 的大作中提到】
: 楼主前两天还在纠结 h1b vs 更好的工作的问题
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/JobHunting/32963833.html
: 经过版里筒子一顿教训，楼主知错了。。H1B的确来之不易。。楼主也想好了，先保H1B
: 为重。
: 没想到今天又有新进展！！
: 新公司的HR打电话来说，他们有可能说服律师帮楼主transfer H1B！但有一个前提：无
: 论denial还是approval，都必须选择新公司了，i.e.，不能说transfer denial的话还
: 想回旧公司。
: 现在楼主想跟大家分享一下最近搜索到的所有关于10月之前transfer的信息。也求大家
: 知道的信息和input！
|
c********n
发帖数: 38 | 24 觉得你的问题和我比较类似，我现在也在想办法。
我想问一下你，你是OPT自动延到9/30然后用的STEM吧？
你的STEM start date 是哪天？
我刚拿到STEM I20, STEM I-20上写STEM OPT recommendation start date是10/1，我
的本来的理解这个start date 应该是接着第一个OPT下去的。
I20上STEM OPT从今年10/1到17年3月（这个也和我之前想的不一样）。
有e
到9
【在 w******g 的大作中提到】
: 我现在也遇到了比较棘手的问题。我的情况是这样的：
: 现在用OPT在公司A工作，H-1B已经批准，10月1日生效。本人OPT 6月末过期。我在5月
: 初刚申请了STEM OPT extension，现在还没出结果。现在我想在7月跳去公司B，B没有e
: verify。
: 有几个问题：
: 我是否可以取消STEM OPT extension的申请来获得cap gap extension到9月30日？怎么
: 取消？
: 不取消STEM OPT extension申请，是否也可以用regular opt 的cap gap extension到9
: 月30日？
: 如果实在没办法，只能让新公司考虑加入e verify。这个手续复杂么？为什么很多公司
|
