p***n 发帖数: 635 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: daoluyimu (Leuven), 信区: Military
标 题: 乔治·索罗斯演讲: 未来的路
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 11 10:54:23 2009, 美东)
[2009年10月,中欧大学。]
我在这个系列讲座中提出了一个能够更好地理解人类行为和事件的理念结构。这些事件
不是由永恒有效的自然法规决定的。当然这些法规的确存在,但不足以决定事件的发展
过程。原因之一是情况的复杂性,另一个原因是事件参与者的思维所起的作用。
我已经集中讲了相关反身性(reflexivity)的问题,即当事者的思维与现实情况的双向
关联,以及我所强调的错误理解和错误观念对现实情况形成的因果关系。但这两种影响
都很奇怪地被忽视了。这些影响给事物加入了不确定因素,结果是除了非常简单的情况
以外,几乎不可能预测未来。
但我们仍然可以大略估计几种情况,并评估其可能性,也可以提出希望得到的结果。我
在这两方面都做过,而且是多次尝试。的确,我可以称为是专家,作为投资者,我专注
于预测(prediction);作为公益慈善家, |
n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 2 Great talk. Once again, Soros is the man. He's second to none when it
comes to political economics, which explains pretty much all about the
currency market and international trading.
【在 p***n 的大作中提到】 : 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】 : 发信人: daoluyimu (Leuven), 信区: Military : 标 题: 乔治·索罗斯演讲: 未来的路 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Nov 11 10:54:23 2009, 美东) : [2009年10月,中欧大学。] : 我在这个系列讲座中提出了一个能够更好地理解人类行为和事件的理念结构。这些事件 : 不是由永恒有效的自然法规决定的。当然这些法规的确存在,但不足以决定事件的发展 : 过程。原因之一是情况的复杂性,另一个原因是事件参与者的思维所起的作用。 : 我已经集中讲了相关反身性(reflexivity)的问题,即当事者的思维与现实情况的双向 : 关联,以及我所强调的错误理解和错误观念对现实情况形成的因果关系。但这两种影响
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h****r 发帖数: 2056 | 3 不用太把谁当回事。
Soros毕竟是个职业炒家和犹太活动家,不是什么慈善家,哲学家。他所说所作都是有其背后追逐利益的出发点的,既然如此,他的说法怎么会没有bias? 只不过其说辞用了相当的技巧和组织,再加上其投资家的光环,容易蒙一些轻信的人而已。
Second to none? Just a joke.
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】 : Great talk. Once again, Soros is the man. He's second to none when it : comes to political economics, which explains pretty much all about the : currency market and international trading.
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 4 You are entitled to your opinion. I didn't say he's a nice man. I was just
talking about his talent of making money. Plain and simple.
What I was saying was he has a keen understanding on the geopolitical
issues that made him a master on cross-border bets. He is, along with Jim
Rogers, the first true global macro investment manager, and arguably, the
best. In all his currency bets within the last 40 years, he lost only one,
and that was in Hongkong, defeated by the central bank of China. Given h
【在 h****r 的大作中提到】 : 不用太把谁当回事。 : Soros毕竟是个职业炒家和犹太活动家,不是什么慈善家,哲学家。他所说所作都是有其背后追逐利益的出发点的,既然如此,他的说法怎么会没有bias? 只不过其说辞用了相当的技巧和组织,再加上其投资家的光环,容易蒙一些轻信的人而已。 : Second to none? Just a joke.
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h****r 发帖数: 2056 | 5 不用这么激动,我没否认其成就,只不过他的这套说辞谈不上什么great.
那些事情不像他说的那么简单轻易。他要不是在试图给人洗脑,就是在装逼。简单如斯。
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】 : You are entitled to your opinion. I didn't say he's a nice man. I was just : talking about his talent of making money. Plain and simple. : What I was saying was he has a keen understanding on the geopolitical : issues that made him a master on cross-border bets. He is, along with Jim : Rogers, the first true global macro investment manager, and arguably, the : best. In all his currency bets within the last 40 years, he lost only one, : and that was in Hongkong, defeated by the central bank of China. Given h
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 6 I beg to differ. I think what he says made a lot of sense, and great
investment has a lot to do with common sense. Of course he's not the only
one with that analysis. All Austrian economists would agree with him for
the most part. Peter Schiff, being another one. It's not a coincidence why
a handful Austrian investment managers have done very well during this
crisis. Soros, Jim Rogers and Peter Schiff are the leading figures,
apparently.
BTW, I didn't get all pumped up on your cynical comments a
【在 h****r 的大作中提到】 : 不用这么激动,我没否认其成就,只不过他的这套说辞谈不上什么great. : 那些事情不像他说的那么简单轻易。他要不是在试图给人洗脑,就是在装逼。简单如斯。
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h****r 发帖数: 2056 | 7 他怎么投资的和通过在商学院演讲说给其他人听来洗别人的脑的东西肯定不是一回事。
cynical还是不cynical,其实一点都不重要。重要的是要分清事情是怎么回事。
别被些是似而非的东西蒙了。
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】 : I beg to differ. I think what he says made a lot of sense, and great : investment has a lot to do with common sense. Of course he's not the only : one with that analysis. All Austrian economists would agree with him for : the most part. Peter Schiff, being another one. It's not a coincidence why : a handful Austrian investment managers have done very well during this : crisis. Soros, Jim Rogers and Peter Schiff are the leading figures, : apparently. : BTW, I didn't get all pumped up on your cynical comments a
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 8 Points taken. So where do you think we are moving forward? What
sectors/asset-classes would you long/short? Would love to hear it.
The reason I am asking is I am a long/short macro investor myself. I
overweight/underweight by sectors/asset-classes. I never read 10Ks.
【在 h****r 的大作中提到】 : 他怎么投资的和通过在商学院演讲说给其他人听来洗别人的脑的东西肯定不是一回事。 : cynical还是不cynical,其实一点都不重要。重要的是要分清事情是怎么回事。 : 别被些是似而非的东西蒙了。
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h****r 发帖数: 2056 | 9 我看好资源和能源的长期行情。
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】 : Points taken. So where do you think we are moving forward? What : sectors/asset-classes would you long/short? Would love to hear it. : The reason I am asking is I am a long/short macro investor myself. I : overweight/underweight by sectors/asset-classes. I never read 10Ks.
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g*********s 发帖数: 44 | 10 散户也就只能做macro了,信息还算比较对称
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】 : Points taken. So where do you think we are moving forward? What : sectors/asset-classes would you long/short? Would love to hear it. : The reason I am asking is I am a long/short macro investor myself. I : overweight/underweight by sectors/asset-classes. I never read 10Ks.
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t****u 发帖数: 8614 | 11 他老人家多半自己空仓已经建好了.
斯。
【在 h****r 的大作中提到】 : 不用这么激动,我没否认其成就,只不过他的这套说辞谈不上什么great. : 那些事情不像他说的那么简单轻易。他要不是在试图给人洗脑,就是在装逼。简单如斯。
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 12 That's exactly right. Institutions have little edge on macro issues.
【在 g*********s 的大作中提到】 : 散户也就只能做macro了,信息还算比较对称
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 13 Commodities are fair picks but still subject to deflating price pressure,
if the black swan event of another depression hits the world again. Gold
is the only exception as it's more of currency than commodity. It's
probably the least useful stuff but the ultimate hedge to deteriorating
sovereign solvency. Gold is not the best hedge for inflation, but it's the
best hedge for political stupidity.
【在 h****r 的大作中提到】 : 我看好资源和能源的长期行情。
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n******n 发帖数: 12088 | 14 你说这些太愤世嫉俗了。同样的逻辑可以用到你推崇并跟踪的那些炒股“大师”身上。你不也是一样?
【在 h****r 的大作中提到】 : 他怎么投资的和通过在商学院演讲说给其他人听来洗别人的脑的东西肯定不是一回事。 : cynical还是不cynical,其实一点都不重要。重要的是要分清事情是怎么回事。 : 别被些是似而非的东西蒙了。
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q********8 发帖数: 372 | 15 都50多岁的人了,还在这里上网吵架?
【在 h****r 的大作中提到】 : 他怎么投资的和通过在商学院演讲说给其他人听来洗别人的脑的东西肯定不是一回事。 : cynical还是不cynical,其实一点都不重要。重要的是要分清事情是怎么回事。 : 别被些是似而非的东西蒙了。
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u**o 发帖数: 4652 | 16 不如先说说您现在long/short 的 SECTORS
【在 n******h 的大作中提到】 : Points taken. So where do you think we are moving forward? What : sectors/asset-classes would you long/short? Would love to hear it. : The reason I am asking is I am a long/short macro investor myself. I : overweight/underweight by sectors/asset-classes. I never read 10Ks.
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n******h 发帖数: 2482 | 17 Conviction long gold/silver mines -- GDX/GDXJ/EGO/SLW/SVM. Propane Utility
(dividend play) -- APU/NRGY.
I don't recommend shorts in this market as long as the central banks are
still printing money to prop the asset prices to fix their balance sheets.
This will end one day on a black-swan event but timing it is impossible.
【在 u**o 的大作中提到】 : 不如先说说您现在long/short 的 SECTORS
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h****r 发帖数: 2056 | 18 你这就是好赖不分,是非不明了。
我从来不信除Livermore外有什么股市“大师”。我推崇并跟踪的那些炒股的没有一个是所谓“大师”,都是些跟大家一样的天天在股市里滚打的实干分子,而且都是有几年的consistent credibility,在人品水平上都信得过的,我才推荐。你从哪里找出的同样的逻辑?你以为我会跟你做事一样,不经分析张嘴就来?
看在还算交流过的份上,对你客气一回。下次再想这么胡联系说废话,还请你尽可直接去8区,有大把如qiuzude168之类的闲人愿意陪你斗嘴。但请以后不要来接我的话题。“傻贴不跟,蠢人不理”,这两点是我上网交流的底线。
。你不也是一样?
【在 n******n 的大作中提到】 : 你说这些太愤世嫉俗了。同样的逻辑可以用到你推崇并跟踪的那些炒股“大师”身上。你不也是一样?
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