C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 1 不幸中的万幸，不然估计更多受害者。当然对于本版版友来说，也许还有其他意义。这
个是AR的原因还是drum magazine的原因？
Assault rifle jammed in Colo. attack
AURORA, Colo. (AP) — The semiautomatic assault rifle used by the gunman in
a mass shooting at a midnight showing of the latest Batman movie jammed
during the attack, a federal law enforcement official told The Associated
Press, which forced the shooter to switch to another gun with less fire
power.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to in order to discuss the
investigation, said the disabled weapon had a high-capacity ammunition
magazine. Police have said that a 100-round drum magazine was recovered at
the scene and that such a device would be able to fire 50 to 60 rounds a
minute.
That account of what happened inside the Century 16 theater emerged with
other details of a suspect described as a budding scientist, brimming with
potential, who pursued a graduate program even as he planned the attack with
"calculation and deliberation," police said Saturday.
James Holmes, 24, received shipments that authorities believe armed him for
battle and were used to booby trap his home with dozens of bombs.
In Aurora, investigators spent hours Saturday removing explosive materials
from inside Holmes' apartment a day after police said he opened fire and set
off gas canisters in a theater minutes into a premiere of the "The Dark
Knight Rises." The massacre left 12 people dead and 58 injured.
http://news.yahoo.com/ap-source-assault-rifle-jammed-colo-attac | c*****y
发帖数: 5747 | | s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 3 drum 彈夾這種東西， 居然允許銷售， 不可思議。 對於家防和個人防衛， 毫無用處
。 倒是對這種大屠殺有用
in
the
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】
: 不幸中的万幸，不然估计更多受害者。当然对于本版版友来说，也许还有其他意义。这
: 个是AR的原因还是drum magazine的原因？
: Assault rifle jammed in Colo. attack
: AURORA, Colo. (AP) — The semiautomatic assault rifle used by the gunman in
: a mass shooting at a midnight showing of the latest Batman movie jammed
: during the attack, a federal law enforcement official told The Associated
: Press, which forced the shooter to switch to another gun with less fire
: power.
: The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to in order to discuss the
: investigation, said the disabled weapon had a high-capacity ammunition
| j***n
发帖数: 3786 | | h*****d
发帖数: 244 | 5 It's lucky this guy didn't know how to clear a jam
in
the
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】
: 不幸中的万幸，不然估计更多受害者。当然对于本版版友来说，也许还有其他意义。这
: 个是AR的原因还是drum magazine的原因？
: Assault rifle jammed in Colo. attack
: AURORA, Colo. (AP) — The semiautomatic assault rifle used by the gunman in
: a mass shooting at a midnight showing of the latest Batman movie jammed
: during the attack, a federal law enforcement official told The Associated
: Press, which forced the shooter to switch to another gun with less fire
: power.
: The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to in order to discuss the
: investigation, said the disabled weapon had a high-capacity ammunition
| j***n
发帖数: 3786 | 6 他也刚买枪吧，还没有来得及系统学习
【在 h*****d 的大作中提到】
: It's lucky this guy didn't know how to clear a jam
:
: in
: the
| S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 7 ever thought about the need to defend yourself against a rioting mob?
some drums are better than the other, Suomi KP31 for example, one of the
best SMGs ever made.
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: drum 彈夾這種東西， 居然允許銷售， 不可思議。 對於家防和個人防衛， 毫無用處
: 。 倒是對這種大屠殺有用
:
: in
: the
| s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 8 there should be a point where both public safety and perfonal defense to be
taken into account and be balanced
anything, can be useful, under certain extreme situation, but that does not
justify it
by your same logic, automatic weapon is necessary to defend against rioting
mob too, so should be allowed
ok, this discussion will go nowhere, i will stop
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: ever thought about the need to defend yourself against a rioting mob?
: some drums are better than the other, Suomi KP31 for example, one of the
: best SMGs ever made.
| C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 9 俺也觉得是这个drum的问题。这个恶贼好像是五月才买的，所以是个新手，不了解这些
小细节，这个算是万幸了。
【在 j***n 的大作中提到】
: Drum mag 100% jam
| S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 10 last time I checked, automatic weapon IS allowed in 33 states.
You can keep adding restrictions to the 2nd Amendment, and in the end you
get California gun law.
be
not
rioting
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: there should be a point where both public safety and perfonal defense to be
: taken into account and be balanced
: anything, can be useful, under certain extreme situation, but that does not
: justify it
: by your same logic, automatic weapon is necessary to defend against rioting
: mob too, so should be allowed
: ok, this discussion will go nowhere, i will stop
| | | s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 11 do you admit that 18 states(including DC), auto is not allowed? thank you
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: last time I checked, automatic weapon IS allowed in 33 states.
: You can keep adding restrictions to the 2nd Amendment, and in the end you
: get California gun law.
:
: be
: not
: rioting
| S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 12 and my point is that these 18 states need to wake the fuck up and learn from
the rest of the country.
what was your point again?
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: do you admit that 18 states(including DC), auto is not allowed? thank you
| s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 13 unfortunately, i see the more and more restrictions are coming to gun
ownership,
your envision will not realize
i am pro-gun, but anti-drum magazine. logic or not-logic, that is it
also regarding to the so called 33 stats of allowing auto, I google this:
You must be 21 to purchase a machine gun in the US. The following states all
ow private ownership of machine guns if registered with ATF: AL, AK, AZ, AR,
CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MA, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, NJ,
NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, WV, WI, WY. Some states
have their own registration requirements, but most just say you have to hav
e it registered with ATF.
Any machine gun that can be privately owned has to have been manufactured an
d registered prior to May, 1986.
Do this mean that after those old gun finally wear out, auto ownership will
dry out? Unless those old auto gun will live forever, magically
am my understanding right? how can this support your claim?
from
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: and my point is that these 18 states need to wake the fuck up and learn from
: the rest of the country.
: what was your point again?
| S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 14 These states allow private ownership of machinegun, as opposed to states
like California.
for the second part of your question,
you can replace parts, even the sear itself. it is legal to do so as long as
you have registered.
wait, what were we talking about again? "you can't use automatic weapon to
defend yourself?" | s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 15 yes, they allow, but the ownership is on a "pre-set death path", donot you
see that? new auto cannot be owned, old autos are dieing.
well, you suggest thoase old auto will live forever
let us stop here, tired
as
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: These states allow private ownership of machinegun, as opposed to states
: like California.
: for the second part of your question,
: you can replace parts, even the sear itself. it is legal to do so as long as
: you have registered.
: wait, what were we talking about again? "you can't use automatic weapon to
: defend yourself?"
| x*7
发帖数: 11281 | 16 估计又要说道AR不如AK可靠
大弹夹应该禁止，家防十几发足够的
老生常谈。 | c**********d
发帖数: 2428 | 17 可见一些根深蒂固的观念，是多么难以改变。SHAVER是刚翻墙过来的，还得给他点时间
SINK IN。 | m*****8
发帖数: 292 | 18 thank god he was not using AK with a drum mag | f*******t
发帖数: 157 | 19 很难说，要等FBI的报告了。
这个S&W M&P 15 sport是最便宜的AR15，连forward assist都没有，要是连续射击出点
问题不奇怪
in
the
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】
: 不幸中的万幸，不然估计更多受害者。当然对于本版版友来说，也许还有其他意义。这
: 个是AR的原因还是drum magazine的原因？
: Assault rifle jammed in Colo. attack
: AURORA, Colo. (AP) — The semiautomatic assault rifle used by the gunman in
: a mass shooting at a midnight showing of the latest Batman movie jammed
: during the attack, a federal law enforcement official told The Associated
: Press, which forced the shooter to switch to another gun with less fire
: power.
: The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to in order to discuss the
: investigation, said the disabled weapon had a high-capacity ammunition
| k**0
发帖数: 19737 | 20 稍加练习换个AR弹夹还不是几秒之内的事情?
万幸此人没看过马改铺的video | | | s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 21 do not get me wrong
i fully support people shoot anyong breaking into their homes, i fully
support people shoot anyone threatening their lives
【在 c**********d 的大作中提到】
: 可见一些根深蒂固的观念，是多么难以改变。SHAVER是刚翻墙过来的，还得给他点时间
: SINK IN。
| c**********d
发帖数: 2428 | 22 老弟你玩枪时间还不太长，所以有很多枪文化还有待学习。要说你已经进步很快了。我
刚来美国的时候还是禁枪派的呢。
禁大弹夹和禁枪是一个路数的，都是一个头痛医脚的调调。
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: do not get me wrong
: i fully support people shoot anyong breaking into their homes, i fully
: support people shoot anyone threatening their lives
| s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 23 ah...
as humble as me, not a US citizen, and not planning to be, no right to vote,
so whatever point I hold, certainly, hopefully, surely, will not increase
or decrease even a tiny bit of gun right of US people
:)
【在 c**********d 的大作中提到】
: 老弟你玩枪时间还不太长，所以有很多枪文化还有待学习。要说你已经进步很快了。我
: 刚来美国的时候还是禁枪派的呢。
: 禁大弹夹和禁枪是一个路数的，都是一个头痛医脚的调调。
| S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 24 but the idea of gun control spreads like a virus.
vote,
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: ah...
: as humble as me, not a US citizen, and not planning to be, no right to vote,
: so whatever point I hold, certainly, hopefully, surely, will not increase
: or decrease even a tiny bit of gun right of US people
: :)
| s****r
发帖数: 31686 | 25 hi, man, virus can die or thrive, it is hard to predict... relax...
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: but the idea of gun control spreads like a virus.
:
: vote,
| H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 26 我很好奇有木有人用过国产的蜗牛式AR弹鼓
在AK上那东西评价很高
有把223口径弹鼓改成AR上用的
虽然很丑，不知道可靠性如何
【在 j***n 的大作中提到】
: Drum mag 100% jam
| H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 27 你本质上是liberal的——我这里不做褒贬
就是个总结
all
AR,
NJ,
states
hav
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: unfortunately, i see the more and more restrictions are coming to gun
: ownership,
: your envision will not realize
: i am pro-gun, but anti-drum magazine. logic or not-logic, that is it
: also regarding to the so called 33 stats of allowing auto, I google this:
: You must be 21 to purchase a machine gun in the US. The following states all
: ow private ownership of machine guns if registered with ATF: AL, AK, AZ, AR,
: CO, CT, FL, GA, ID, IN, KY, LA, ME, MD, MA, MN, MS, MO, MT, NE, NV, NH, NJ,
: NM, NC, ND, OH, OK, OR, PA, SC, SD, TN, TX, UT, VT, WV, WI, WY. Some states
: have their own registration requirements, but most just say you have to hav
| c**********d
发帖数: 2428 | 28 A US citizen or not, what we talk about here is common sense, so it doesn't
matter. As the Navyguy said, false idea/solution/opinion spreading like a
virus, it just makes the matter worse, citizen or not.
vote,
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: ah...
: as humble as me, not a US citizen, and not planning to be, no right to vote,
: so whatever point I hold, certainly, hopefully, surely, will not increase
: or decrease even a tiny bit of gun right of US people
: :)
| h*********r
发帖数: 1943 | 29 禁枪这种东西很少有一下子全禁的，大多数是温水煮青蛙，今天禁一点这个，明天禁一
点那个，等到时机成熟就开始大规模铺开。玩枪的要是反抗还可以拿出证据说“你看你
们自己也同意的上次禁这个和这个之后成效不显著，根据我们的研究要全禁才有效果。
”堤坝决口一样，发生了就很难补回来。
英国就是典型，玩枪的权利被一点点蚕食，最后基本上全禁，到了伦敦骚乱的时候社区
只能阻止扫帚队和棒球棍队去抵抗垃圾的入侵。 | j***n
发帖数: 3786 | 30 您果然有预见性啊，选枪必然以SHTF为标准。选home defense必然选导弹
【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】
: 很难说，要等FBI的报告了。
: 这个S&W M&P 15 sport是最便宜的AR15，连forward assist都没有，要是连续射击出点
: 问题不奇怪
:
: in
: the
| | | S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 31 Of course, that's why we pay tax which fund the DOD who can prevent such
thing from happening, and the BMD program which is a last line of defense.
【在 f*******t 的大作中提到】
: 很难说，要等FBI的报告了。
: 这个S&W M&P 15 sport是最便宜的AR15，连forward assist都没有，要是连续射击出点
: 问题不奇怪
:
: in
: the
| p******a
发帖数: 413 | 32
為 毛 一 定 要 用 蹩 腳 的 英 文 呢？！
【在 s****r 的大作中提到】
: hi, man, virus can die or thrive, it is hard to predict... relax...
| d******8
发帖数: 384 | 33 我看报道里有一幅照片 一把黑色AR15扔在门口的地上 插着普通弹夹 不是弹鼓 | f*******t
发帖数: 157 | 34 LOL
【在 S**********s 的大作中提到】
: Of course, that's why we pay tax which fund the DOD who can prevent such
: thing from happening, and the BMD program which is a last line of defense.
| C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 35 有连接照片吗？
【在 d******8 的大作中提到】
: 我看报道里有一幅照片 一把黑色AR15扔在门口的地上 插着普通弹夹 不是弹鼓
| C*******r
发帖数: 10345 | 36 不用再吵了，不然老子把贴删了，你们这些跟贴全作废。
【在 p******a 的大作中提到】
:
: 為 毛 一 定 要 用 蹩 腳 的 英 文 呢？！
| p******a
发帖数: 413 | 37
不好意思，我就是發表一下看了他N個帖子以後的感受。純屬表達個人感嘆。
【在 C*******r 的大作中提到】
: 不用再吵了，不然老子把贴删了，你们这些跟贴全作废。
| r*****t
发帖数: 68 | | a***a
发帖数: 8941 | 39 本来，assualt rifle，就是突击步枪，是指使用中间威力弹的全自动步枪
因此，突击步枪一定是可以连发的全自动步枪
但是，白痴的法律是另外一回事，法律上的所谓assualt rifle，是指外型上满足某些
要求的（外型上看起来比较邪恶的）的半自动步枪
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: semiautomatic就不能叫assult rifle了吧
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assult_rifle
| t******y
发帖数: 5040 | 40
不能这么说吧，就是M16A2也只能三连发
如果警察看到地上的空弹匣的时候，也只能知道是AR15/M16一类用的，料敌从宽，说
ASSUALT RIFLE也没有错。
【在 a***a 的大作中提到】
: 本来，assualt rifle，就是突击步枪，是指使用中间威力弹的全自动步枪
: 因此，突击步枪一定是可以连发的全自动步枪
: 但是，白痴的法律是另外一回事，法律上的所谓assualt rifle，是指外型上满足某些
: 要求的（外型上看起来比较邪恶的）的半自动步枪
| | | S**********s
发帖数: 4534 | 41 也没错， 扣一次扳机打出超过一发都算“自动”。
对媒体不要强求.. | a***a
发帖数: 8941 | 42 三发点射，也算连发，呵呵
【在 t******y 的大作中提到】
:
: 不能这么说吧，就是M16A2也只能三连发
: 如果警察看到地上的空弹匣的时候，也只能知道是AR15/M16一类用的，料敌从宽，说
: ASSUALT RIFLE也没有错。
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