s******s
发帖数: 156 | 1 受版上众神影响，越来越喜欢mizuno,可惜水平不够，上不了mp53。
不知道大家对jpx800评价如何？还有jpx800跟jpx800 pro有啥区别没有？
如有其他品牌/model推荐，热烈欢迎。谢谢！ | R****0
发帖数: 39 | 2 我1.75M， 175 lbs,100+水平，几个月前搞了一套二手MP52 Nippon N.S. PRO7 50 GH
Regular，感觉就是一个字，爽！！！尤其是打中甜点，绝对的Butter Cut。如果能有
时间和一定的身体条件，MP系列一定是最佳选择。
Luke Donald, Byrd Jonathan 都是1.75M左右的身材，铁杆都很棒，都用Mizuno. | v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 3 我曾经从店里借过一根JPX800的6铁，打过一场球，感觉还不错，但就我来说，有了这
套杆子，成绩也不会提高很多。如果经常打球，水平在100以上，我个人觉得提高还是
的从技术面考虑，像是挥杆动作的合理性，协调性和节奏。
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 受版上众神影响，越来越喜欢mizuno,可惜水平不够，上不了mp53。
: 不知道大家对jpx800评价如何？还有jpx800跟jpx800 pro有啥区别没有？
: 如有其他品牌/model推荐，热烈欢迎。谢谢！
| j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 4 jpx800 pro for handicap 4-20
jpx800 for handicap 8-30
jpx800 HD for handicap 10-35
MP53 for handicap 0-14
上JPX800 PRO 不如上mp53
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 受版上众神影响，越来越喜欢mizuno,可惜水平不够，上不了mp53。
: 不知道大家对jpx800评价如何？还有jpx800跟jpx800 pro有啥区别没有？
: 如有其他品牌/model推荐，热烈欢迎。谢谢！
| v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 5 同意，上JPX800 PRO 不如上mp53。
【在 j******e 的大作中提到】
: jpx800 pro for handicap 4-20
: jpx800 for handicap 8-30
: jpx800 HD for handicap 10-35
: MP53 for handicap 0-14
: 上JPX800 PRO 不如上mp53
| q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 6 试过jpx800 HD，还不错，不过和mp的感觉是不同的。如果你是想要传说中的mizuno的
感觉，不要买jpx800。和jpx800类似的这种杆其他牌子也不错。
个人认为所谓难打的杆和好打的杆，在6-pw之间的区别并不大。可能mp打出来的距离比
jpx会短，不过这是设计上的区别造成的。打的近了，说不定打坏球造成的破坏还会小
一点:)。
相比挑model，club fitting更重要。如果去店里买一手的杆，fitting应该是免费的。
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 受版上众神影响，越来越喜欢mizuno,可惜水平不够，上不了mp53。
: 不知道大家对jpx800评价如何？还有jpx800跟jpx800 pro有啥区别没有？
: 如有其他品牌/model推荐，热烈欢迎。谢谢！
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 7 interesting
looks like the whole board is for mp53.
i own mp52 myself, say a bit my observation.
to me, 100 level is acutally very broad range, since it depends on how you
get 100 or break 100.
For meself, I bought my mp52 around the time I shot high 90s at that time my
short game sucks. I think my iron game improved, and I am very suitable for
my MP52 now, (which is very similar with MP53). So, overall, my scores
improved from high 90s to high 80s, but i would attribute my improvement to
my short game mainly and my experience on course management. If my putting
getting better, my level can improve to low 80s, that is another story. But
in terms of my iron, I dont think I had that much improvement from high 90s
to 80s.
So I think saionbus needs to analyze his game first, and do accessment on
where is his iron level for now. there are many way to look at those, and
many discussion on the board already. for example, check fairway hits, GIR,
approaching perctage, putting, save, pentalty, ...
I have friend playing jpx800 for now, not sure his is jpx800 or jpx800 pro.
But he is happy with his, and in terms of overall score, i think he is
better than me. he told me that is a very forgiving clubs, and suitable for
him.
Another example, one day, I was teeing off with others, (i single, joined
the other group). through the round, we chatting what clubs each of us used.
His is jpx800 as well, again, i dont know if it s jpx800 or jpx800 pro.
Since I know his handi is 10, and through first few holes, i can clearly see
he is better player than me, even we out-drove each other hole by hole. So
i asked him, why jpx800? to my surprise, he traded his MP52 for jpx800.
Since i played MP52, he further commended, he said MP52 is great club, but
he just feel jpx800 much more forgiving, and it is easier for him to handle.
Jeamouse listed very well, and I believe that is from Mizuno official site,
if not, i would think Jeamouse would work for Mizuono :)
but the difference is sutle, and picking up the right one according to your
game.
【在 j******e 的大作中提到】
: jpx800 pro for handicap 4-20
: jpx800 for handicap 8-30
: jpx800 HD for handicap 10-35
: MP53 for handicap 0-14
: 上JPX800 PRO 不如上mp53
| a***x
发帖数: 398 | 8 Like Aff said, first find your current weakness point for the game. For
myself, from 100 to 90 mainly get improvements on chipping, pitching and
putting. Try to find some good feeling wedges for you self; Better middle
and long iron approaching shot will make you score down from 90 to lower 80
(more GIRs).
The new issue Golf Digest this month, has a very good article "HoT list",
there are details about pros and cons on new and popular drivers, hybrids,
irons, wedges, and putters. It is a good reference info.
JPX 800 is the only cast made from Mizuno, if you like Mizuno's forge club
feeling, buy the JPX800 Pro. Performance-wise those two set are almost the
same, both give forgiveness, playability and long hitting distance.
If you want to correct your iron swing and stabilize your impact, buy MP53,
52 or other muscleback (blades) type iron, they give you direct feedback
about your swing and impact. On course, you can use cavity type iron to
looking for the forgiveness to increase confidence of play (lower score).
I am not get to low 80 yet, I think I will move back to play blade type on
course at that time when I want to shape the ball strike and get more
control on ball flight (playability). IMHO. 共勉。 | q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 9 我倒不是推荐mp53，只是想说jpx和mp是很不同的mizuno，而club fitting比选型可能
更重要。
现在打Titleist ZM和Nike VR Pro Cavity有段时间了，真实感觉是Nike这个cavity
back比Titleist这个blade好打，特别是3/4/5。距离上Nike比Title要远一个club长，
可能是因为Nike的杆长1/4"，而且loft大概小两度。用blade打到甜点时确实sweet，不
过打不到是那可是比较的bitter。但是用Nike如果打到甜点，感觉也很不错。Blade打
左曲或者右曲球相对容易，但用Nike也可以打出一定的左曲或者右曲。所以我同意以前
ET大侠说的，打blade多半是因为心理诉求，跟实力什么的没什么关系。 :)
my
for
to
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: interesting
: looks like the whole board is for mp53.
: i own mp52 myself, say a bit my observation.
: to me, 100 level is acutally very broad range, since it depends on how you
: get 100 or break 100.
: For meself, I bought my mp52 around the time I shot high 90s at that time my
: short game sucks. I think my iron game improved, and I am very suitable for
: my MP52 now, (which is very similar with MP53). So, overall, my scores
: improved from high 90s to high 80s, but i would attribute my improvement to
: my short game mainly and my experience on course management. If my putting
| j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 10 数据都是mizuno网站上来的。俺现在用mp52，其实水平还没到， 每年都有一两次iron
game突然不灵，折腾几个礼拜才回来。不过每次折腾都会对自己的swing多点理解。 试
过JPX800，确实要forgiving的多。准备看机会陶一套旧的。
my
for
to
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: interesting
: looks like the whole board is for mp53.
: i own mp52 myself, say a bit my observation.
: to me, 100 level is acutally very broad range, since it depends on how you
: get 100 or break 100.
: For meself, I bought my mp52 around the time I shot high 90s at that time my
: short game sucks. I think my iron game improved, and I am very suitable for
: my MP52 now, (which is very similar with MP53). So, overall, my scores
: improved from high 90s to high 80s, but i would attribute my improvement to
: my short game mainly and my experience on course management. If my putting
| | | s******s
发帖数: 156 | 11 基本上jpx800 pro已经out of the list 了
【在 j******e 的大作中提到】
: jpx800 pro for handicap 4-20
: jpx800 for handicap 8-30
: jpx800 HD for handicap 10-35
: MP53 for handicap 0-14
: 上JPX800 PRO 不如上mp53
| s******s
发帖数: 156 | 12 我基本确定自己是右手regular flex
fitting主要是做哪些调整
能不能详细讲讲？谢谢
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: 试过jpx800 HD，还不错，不过和mp的感觉是不同的。如果你是想要传说中的mizuno的
: 感觉，不要买jpx800。和jpx800类似的这种杆其他牌子也不错。
: 个人认为所谓难打的杆和好打的杆，在6-pw之间的区别并不大。可能mp打出来的距离比
: jpx会短，不过这是设计上的区别造成的。打的近了，说不定打坏球造成的破坏还会小
: 一点:)。
: 相比挑model，club fitting更重要。如果去店里买一手的杆，fitting应该是免费的。
| s******s
发帖数: 156 | 13 Golf digest 上面说 jpx800 HD 属于super game improve
jpx800 和 jpx800 pro都属于game improve
是不是说HD 比其他两款更加forgive?
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: 试过jpx800 HD，还不错，不过和mp的感觉是不同的。如果你是想要传说中的mizuno的
: 感觉，不要买jpx800。和jpx800类似的这种杆其他牌子也不错。
: 个人认为所谓难打的杆和好打的杆，在6-pw之间的区别并不大。可能mp打出来的距离比
: jpx会短，不过这是设计上的区别造成的。打的近了，说不定打坏球造成的破坏还会小
: 一点:)。
: 相比挑model，club fitting更重要。如果去店里买一手的杆，fitting应该是免费的。
| s******s
发帖数: 156 | 14 hoho, 满眼都是mp53, 看来怎么着也得去试试mp53了
my
for
to
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: interesting
: looks like the whole board is for mp53.
: i own mp52 myself, say a bit my observation.
: to me, 100 level is acutally very broad range, since it depends on how you
: get 100 or break 100.
: For meself, I bought my mp52 around the time I shot high 90s at that time my
: short game sucks. I think my iron game improved, and I am very suitable for
: my MP52 now, (which is very similar with MP53). So, overall, my scores
: improved from high 90s to high 80s, but i would attribute my improvement to
: my short game mainly and my experience on course management. If my putting
| s******s
发帖数: 156 | 15 我打的不很多，手头也没有afei那么多统计数据，不过个人以为属于你讲的第二种情况
，就是要继续提高并稳定挥杆动作。从这个意义上说mp53/52可能会更好些。不过golf
这种frustrating的运动不时常给自己点信心就玩不下去了。有银子的话我就jpx800和
mp53一起上了，现在的问题是。。。LD只批了一套的预算
80
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: Like Aff said, first find your current weakness point for the game. For
: myself, from 100 to 90 mainly get improvements on chipping, pitching and
: putting. Try to find some good feeling wedges for you self; Better middle
: and long iron approaching shot will make you score down from 90 to lower 80
: (more GIRs).
: The new issue Golf Digest this month, has a very good article "HoT list",
: there are details about pros and cons on new and popular drivers, hybrids,
: irons, wedges, and putters. It is a good reference info.
: JPX 800 is the only cast made from Mizuno, if you like Mizuno's forge club
: feeling, buy the JPX800 Pro. Performance-wise those two set are almost the
| q***q
发帖数: 3356 | 16 主要是确定length, lie, 和flex。
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 我基本确定自己是右手regular flex
: fitting主要是做哪些调整
: 能不能详细讲讲？谢谢
| a***x
发帖数: 398 | 17 用一套新杆的钱买两套二手的。要不就是买一两只MP53的（5，7），+整套JPX，反正
WEDGE都是blade的，都是另配的。
更好的法是告诉老婆一套杆子2000刀。啥都有了。呵呵
golf
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 我打的不很多，手头也没有afei那么多统计数据，不过个人以为属于你讲的第二种情况
: ，就是要继续提高并稳定挥杆动作。从这个意义上说mp53/52可能会更好些。不过golf
: 这种frustrating的运动不时常给自己点信心就玩不下去了。有银子的话我就jpx800和
: mp53一起上了，现在的问题是。。。LD只批了一套的预算
:
: 80
| v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 18 当你的动作还不太定型，需要做较大的调整时，不一定要做fitting。即使做了fitting
，也不一定最适合你。例如，我去做过fitting，几家都跟我讲，我该用stiff,我以前
也是用stiff,但现在用的是uniflex和reg，我现在打球的感觉比以前好，虽然我知道我
可以用stiff。
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 我基本确定自己是右手regular flex
: fitting主要是做哪些调整
: 能不能详细讲讲？谢谢
| j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 19 Interesting, I use stiff when I did fitting, but I slow my swing recently
for better contact and feel much better, maybe I should switch to regular
fitting
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: 当你的动作还不太定型，需要做较大的调整时，不一定要做fitting。即使做了fitting
: ，也不一定最适合你。例如，我去做过fitting，几家都跟我讲，我该用stiff,我以前
: 也是用stiff,但现在用的是uniflex和reg，我现在打球的感觉比以前好，虽然我知道我
: 可以用stiff。
| j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 20 Good idea, or you can get an extra set of iron with a handbag for her.
usually that will shut her up.
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 用一套新杆的钱买两套二手的。要不就是买一两只MP53的（5，7），+整套JPX，反正
: WEDGE都是blade的，都是另配的。
: 更好的法是告诉老婆一套杆子2000刀。啥都有了。呵呵
:
: golf
| | | A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 21 smart move!
【在 j******e 的大作中提到】
: Good idea, or you can get an extra set of iron with a handbag for her.
: usually that will shut her up.
| A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 22 I was helping a friend to get a set of Titlelist AP2.
and he was not around to test it, ask me to do it for him.
to my surprise, I like AP2 4,5,6 irons more than my MP52, but my MP52 7,8,9,
P better than AP2.
Also, I got chance to test new Honma irons. It blow me away, it feels so
good.
Previously, I thought Honma clubs just for show. Turn out, I like it so much
, feel better than MP52 and AP2. But it is toooooooooooo pricy! $4000 for a
set. but man, that was my first time test Honma iron, it just feel so good.
Honma Beres Revolution IS-01 Irons, you guys can give it a try.
不试不知道，一试吓一跳
fitting
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: 当你的动作还不太定型，需要做较大的调整时，不一定要做fitting。即使做了fitting
: ，也不一定最适合你。例如，我去做过fitting，几家都跟我讲，我该用stiff,我以前
: 也是用stiff,但现在用的是uniflex和reg，我现在打球的感觉比以前好，虽然我知道我
: 可以用stiff。
| s******s
发帖数: 156 | 23 我做了golfsmith的在线fitting, 给我的结果全是standard/regular fit.
【在 q***q 的大作中提到】
: 主要是确定length, lie, 和flex。
| s******s
发帖数: 156 | 24 我现在就可以负责任的说2000刀的计划是不可能通过审查的。
上一套jpx 然后在买两只mp53去drive range用，这个很科学啊
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 用一套新杆的钱买两套二手的。要不就是买一两只MP53的（5，7），+整套JPX，反正
: WEDGE都是blade的，都是另配的。
: 更好的法是告诉老婆一套杆子2000刀。啥都有了。呵呵
:
: golf
| v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 25 You should not have a problem to hit the short irons if you can do with the
longer ones. You just love your MP52 short irons, plus probably you don't
hit the MP52 long irons often.
Besides, $4,000 is more than my annual golf expense, way too much for me.
9,
much
a
.
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: I was helping a friend to get a set of Titlelist AP2.
: and he was not around to test it, ask me to do it for him.
: to my surprise, I like AP2 4,5,6 irons more than my MP52, but my MP52 7,8,9,
: P better than AP2.
: Also, I got chance to test new Honma irons. It blow me away, it feels so
: good.
: Previously, I thought Honma clubs just for show. Turn out, I like it so much
: , feel better than MP52 and AP2. But it is toooooooooooo pricy! $4000 for a
: set. but man, that was my first time test Honma iron, it just feel so good.
: Honma Beres Revolution IS-01 Irons, you guys can give it a try.
| a***x
发帖数: 398 | 26 淘杆子，换杆子，攒杆子，改杆子，是golf里一大块的乐趣。呵呵 | v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 27 玩高球在于折腾，打的好坏不在乎，在乎的是，下一根球杆总是最好地。
【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 淘杆子，换杆子，攒杆子，改杆子，是golf里一大块的乐趣。呵呵
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 28 越是距离打的不稳定的球杆甘越容易去折腾
我3wood, driver折腾最多。
iron倒是不多折腾。我淘汰了以前的iron set 主要因为不是standard lie.
我觉得名牌titlist, callaway, TM, mizuno，cobra 同一类iron 差得不多。远比我们
swing 的变数带来的变化小得多。不同厂家的woods 倒是差别大。
speedline 在range 上试了几回， 感觉没有cobra consistent. 又换回cobra.
碰到一款oxotics cb2 3wood, 手感真好， 觉得像身体一部分， impact 是那种爆炸的
感觉是其他3wood都比不上的！ 但是没在range/course 试打， 也许只是声音带一些电击的效果。
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: 玩高球在于折腾，打的好坏不在乎，在乎的是，下一根球杆总是最好地。
| v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 29 did you test Honma at range or in store?
i don't believe Honma iron would differ so much on course play.
maybe it's the small details of club making, such as looks, grip, special
material to create unique impact sounds, to trick user to believe its
superiority.
if honma really stands out, liang wen chong should have won some majors now:)
9,
much
a
.
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: I was helping a friend to get a set of Titlelist AP2.
: and he was not around to test it, ask me to do it for him.
: to my surprise, I like AP2 4,5,6 irons more than my MP52, but my MP52 7,8,9,
: P better than AP2.
: Also, I got chance to test new Honma irons. It blow me away, it feels so
: good.
: Previously, I thought Honma clubs just for show. Turn out, I like it so much
: , feel better than MP52 and AP2. But it is toooooooooooo pricy! $4000 for a
: set. but man, that was my first time test Honma iron, it just feel so good.
: Honma Beres Revolution IS-01 Irons, you guys can give it a try.
| v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 30 哈哈，是那么回事。我去年前年，先是折腾3W，从大头折腾到小头，从15度折腾到13度
，又折腾回15度，后来又从钛合金折腾到钢头到不锈钢，折腾来折腾去也没折腾明白。
然后，开始折腾Hybrid，24度到16度的Hybrid，几乎是每个度数都有，每个度数都打出
过至少一次令人难忘的好球，但打出更多的是坏球。一次又一次的淘汰这些新买的
Hybrid，基本上把自己的无能都归咎于杆子的不好打，哈哈。
最近四五个月，没买一根新杆子，可球打的倒是越来越稳定，好象是开球也远了，长铁
，Hyrid，用的也少了。周三的黄昏场9洞，4铁，5铁和Hybrid没用过，6铁和7铁也只是
各用了一次，球道球，基本上是靠3W和Wedges。
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: 越是距离打的不稳定的球杆甘越容易去折腾
: 我3wood, driver折腾最多。
: iron倒是不多折腾。我淘汰了以前的iron set 主要因为不是standard lie.
: 我觉得名牌titlist, callaway, TM, mizuno，cobra 同一类iron 差得不多。远比我们
: swing 的变数带来的变化小得多。不同厂家的woods 倒是差别大。
: speedline 在range 上试了几回， 感觉没有cobra consistent. 又换回cobra.
: 碰到一款oxotics cb2 3wood, 手感真好， 觉得像身体一部分， impact 是那种爆炸的
: 感觉是其他3wood都比不上的！ 但是没在range/course 试打， 也许只是声音带一些电击的效果。
| | | A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 31 in store.
I wish they could let me go out and demo. but for $4000 a set, they could
not afford to do that. but even just hitting in store, for iron shot, you
can feel it right away. that is the feeling, usually pros said: "when you
hit it, you dont have to look the ball, you know you hit a good shot".
namely you hit it at sweet spot.
as far as I know, honma's shafts are very special. the one I demo are very
forgiving clubs. I think that would not be the case for a chong.
now:)
【在 v*****r 的大作中提到】
: did you test Honma at range or in store?
: i don't believe Honma iron would differ so much on course play.
: maybe it's the small details of club making, such as looks, grip, special
: material to create unique impact sounds, to trick user to believe its
: superiority.
: if honma really stands out, liang wen chong should have won some majors now:)
:
: 9,
: much
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| s******s
发帖数: 156 | 32 差距啊。
求推荐好打好看好听球道木
【在 v***s 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈，是那么回事。我去年前年，先是折腾3W，从大头折腾到小头，从15度折腾到13度
: ，又折腾回15度，后来又从钛合金折腾到钢头到不锈钢，折腾来折腾去也没折腾明白。
: 然后，开始折腾Hybrid，24度到16度的Hybrid，几乎是每个度数都有，每个度数都打出
: 过至少一次令人难忘的好球，但打出更多的是坏球。一次又一次的淘汰这些新买的
: Hybrid，基本上把自己的无能都归咎于杆子的不好打，哈哈。
: 最近四五个月，没买一根新杆子，可球打的倒是越来越稳定，好象是开球也远了，长铁
: ，Hyrid，用的也少了。周三的黄昏场9洞，4铁，5铁和Hybrid没用过，6铁和7铁也只是
: 各用了一次，球道球，基本上是靠3W和Wedges。
| v***s
发帖数: 4031 | 33 真是不敢推荐3W。我现在用的是DiabloEdge的3W，可前两天，我带上以前Burner的3W，
打的结果基本上差不多。
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 差距啊。
: 求推荐好打好看好听球道木
| j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 34 推荐R11，超级容易打。 用过几年burner也不错
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 差距啊。
: 求推荐好打好看好听球道木
| b*******2
发帖数: 412 | 35 Performance differences between iron sets (same playability level) among top
brands, such as titleist, mizuno, callaway, taylormade...etc., are really
minors.
The shaft and swing weight may be the main difference that each player would
have different preference.
Try a club fitting and understand your swing characters, the remaining thing
will be club appearance and personal taste :)
【在 s******s 的大作中提到】
: 受版上众神影响，越来越喜欢mizuno,可惜水平不够，上不了mp53。
: 不知道大家对jpx800评价如何？还有jpx800跟jpx800 pro有啥区别没有？
: 如有其他品牌/model推荐，热烈欢迎。谢谢！
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