a***e
发帖数: 575 | |
l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | |
p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 3 re
【在 l*****8 的大作中提到】
: Good!
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b******d
发帖数: 9694 | 4 觉得很过分， 美国法律有些扯淡了。 一直跟踪这个案件的能否告知陪审团里面是否有
黑人。。。
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: Rt
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 5 good. this really shouldn't even have been such a big case, quite simple
【在 a***e 的大作中提到】
: Rt
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b******d
发帖数: 9694 | 6 如果这个案子发生在中国， 马丁是个愣头青火爆脾气很二，被精满怀疑是贼然后两人
打起来了最后精满用刀把马丁捅死了， 大家还会这么一边倒吗？ |
b******d
发帖数: 9694 | 7 你们中是否有任何人站在马丁老爸的角度思考整个案件？ 当然如果马丁在这之前就罪
恶滔天干了很多坏事那就另当别论了。。。 |
b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 8 TM has been a bad guy anyway, though of course not enough to warrant death j
ust because he's a typical black hooligan. but he was trying to kill GZ whic
h resulted in his death, too bad. you see GZ's bloody photos and I would thi
nk most people will conclude that GZ is reasonably fearful of being killed b
y TM. but that's my opinion.
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 你们中是否有任何人站在马丁老爸的角度思考整个案件？ 当然如果马丁在这之前就罪
: 恶滔天干了很多坏事那就另当别论了。。。
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b******d
发帖数: 9694 | 9 我看的报导不是特别多， 马丁死了，精满活着， 所以精满可以编造故事， 因为死无
对证了。 话说看到精满鬼扯说马丁要抢他枪这一段我真是不太信，当然小老黑找死的
思维也许我不太懂。。。
j
whic
thi
b
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: TM has been a bad guy anyway, though of course not enough to warrant death j
: ust because he's a typical black hooligan. but he was trying to kill GZ whic
: h resulted in his death, too bad. you see GZ's bloody photos and I would thi
: nk most people will conclude that GZ is reasonably fearful of being killed b
: y TM. but that's my opinion.
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b******d
发帖数: 9694 | 10 还有我看过验伤医师Rao说精满后脑勺的伤根本无关大碍不值一提， 根本不至于致命，
跟精满说的马丁撞爆他头的说话大相径庭。。。
j
whic
thi
b
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: TM has been a bad guy anyway, though of course not enough to warrant death j
: ust because he's a typical black hooligan. but he was trying to kill GZ whic
: h resulted in his death, too bad. you see GZ's bloody photos and I would thi
: nk most people will conclude that GZ is reasonably fearful of being killed b
: y TM. but that's my opinion.
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 11 i didnt read too much either but i saw the bloody photos, blood in the nose
and in the back of GZ's head. if GZ is on top of TM and TM was the one cryin
g for help, how can GZ's back of head be bloody? so self defense is obvious
to me.
looks like most IDs on this board are leaning GZ, but i just read a few arti
cles online (major media). interesting. maybe liberal media always do that b
ut i don't know.
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 我看的报导不是特别多， 马丁死了，精满活着， 所以精满可以编造故事， 因为死无
: 对证了。 话说看到精满鬼扯说马丁要抢他枪这一段我真是不太信，当然小老黑找死的
: 思维也许我不太懂。。。
:
: j
: whic
: thi
: b
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 12 so if it cause him severe concussion but not fatal, it's ok? besides, GZ is
not a doctor, he doesn't know "these 10 bangs to the concrete sidewalk is no
t fatal so I can't defend myself".. as long as he has reasonable fear of his
life i think he can defend himself with whatever means he has - and the onl
y way to protect himself at that time is the gun.
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 还有我看过验伤医师Rao说精满后脑勺的伤根本无关大碍不值一提， 根本不至于致命，
: 跟精满说的马丁撞爆他头的说话大相径庭。。。
:
: j
: whic
: thi
: b
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J****n
发帖数: 3011 | 13 这事本来就是一半一半。不是说芝麻仁就无罪。关键是这案子检方完全没证据，从庭审
开始到现在，检方完全没有真正的证据。这案子不是由于政治原因，根本就不应该被提
出公诉。更不用说什么二级谋杀这个级别了。
这案子纯粹是政治干涉司法体系。
death
killed
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 我看的报导不是特别多， 马丁死了，精满活着， 所以精满可以编造故事， 因为死无
: 对证了。 话说看到精满鬼扯说马丁要抢他枪这一段我真是不太信，当然小老黑找死的
: 思维也许我不太懂。。。
:
: j
: whic
: thi
: b
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x*******1
发帖数: 28835 | 14 谁claim谁举证阿， AD要证明guilty, 结果都是给的一些主观猜测， jury怎么能被说
服了。相反遍访律师就是举重若轻了。 一举倒戈了对方几大重要证人。你如果懂法律
就知道，案子基本没啥悬念，别听cnn的suny一天到晚咋呼。 培生团是全票通过毫无争
议。 |
l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 15 说谎不是那么容易骗过所有人的。GZ的证词和证人，法医的鉴定是consistent的。也许
他在TM抢枪和脑袋被撞多少下上有夸大其辞的地方，但基本事实是他被TM骑在身上打，
叫救命叫了40秒，脑袋受伤，鼻子被打得变形。TM除了枪伤，身上没有任何伤痕。而且
打斗的地方是靠近GZ的车子。common sense是TM是挑起冲突的，然后往死里打GZ.所以
被打死我觉得是活该。
那个州里的medical examiner和那个包博士显然是很偏向州里（自己是州里的雇员），
说话态度啥的都不让人有可信赖的感觉。那个辨方的医生虽然是为被告辩护的，但说出
来的理由非常让人信服。几乎所有评论都提到这一点。
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 我看的报导不是特别多， 马丁死了，精满活着， 所以精满可以编造故事， 因为死无
: 对证了。 话说看到精满鬼扯说马丁要抢他枪这一段我真是不太信，当然小老黑找死的
: 思维也许我不太懂。。。
:
: j
: whic
: thi
: b
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 16 马丁吸毒打架时候他爹干吗了？管操不管养的典型黑人，丫自己儿子underage
在facebook上贴持枪的照片当爹的都不管，GM为民除害而已
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 你们中是否有任何人站在马丁老爸的角度思考整个案件？ 当然如果马丁在这之前就罪
: 恶滔天干了很多坏事那就另当别论了。。。
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 17 整天看NFL还不知道撞后脑什么后果？NFL那帮野兽戴着头盔脑震荡时候流血吗？
任何时候重击头部都是足以被击毙的生命威胁，何况GZ没有头盔，又不像NFL
一般都是非恶意冲撞。检方这帮医生基本常识都不顾，纯粹出来丢人的。
death
killed
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 还有我看过验伤医师Rao说精满后脑勺的伤根本无关大碍不值一提， 根本不至于致命，
: 跟精满说的马丁撞爆他头的说话大相径庭。。。
:
: j
: whic
: thi
: b
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 18 liberal这次极端扯淡的是最开始弄了个马丁十一二岁时候天使微笑的照片
妖魔化GZ，结果一看丫十七岁。十七岁男长那个样吗？马丁那对无耻爹妈
后来不肯出示别的照片，硬说那个红衣服笑眯眯的照片是他们那个垃圾儿子
十六岁时候照的，太拿别人的智商不当回事了
nose
cryin
obvious
arti
b
死无
死的
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: i didnt read too much either but i saw the bloody photos, blood in the nose
: and in the back of GZ's head. if GZ is on top of TM and TM was the one cryin
: g for help, how can GZ's back of head be bloody? so self defense is obvious
: to me.
: looks like most IDs on this board are leaning GZ, but i just read a few arti
: cles online (major media). interesting. maybe liberal media always do that b
: ut i don't know.
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k***r
发帖数: 13724 | 19 我觉得这案子被政府推动起诉其实是奥巴马在下大棋，判什么其实都不care，就是为了
故意介入然后吸引媒体闹，哄哄嚷嚷了这么久，火烧眉毛的NSA丑闻就被淡化了， |
P*******e
发帖数: 39399 | 20 我没看过那个照片 找找。。。
j
whic
thi
b
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: TM has been a bad guy anyway, though of course not enough to warrant death j
: ust because he's a typical black hooligan. but he was trying to kill GZ whic
: h resulted in his death, too bad. you see GZ's bloody photos and I would thi
: nk most people will conclude that GZ is reasonably fearful of being killed b
: y TM. but that's my opinion.
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D***h
发帖数: 148 | 21 I never contemplated any abominable act. But if my child's life is on the
line I might just commit any crime.
Taking the father's perspective would distort priorities and impair judgment
. Why would I do that if I want to make the right call?
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 你们中是否有任何人站在马丁老爸的角度思考整个案件？ 当然如果马丁在这之前就罪
: 恶滔天干了很多坏事那就另当别论了。。。
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D***h
发帖数: 148 | 22 Who 'diagnosed' the patient using a whooping photograph.
And also, 'life threatening situation' and 'life threatening injury', albeit
loosely defined, are two discrete things. You use 'justifiable deadly force
' to defend yourself in the presence of the former. If you got the latter
one that means it's too late, the threats are now realities.
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 还有我看过验伤医师Rao说精满后脑勺的伤根本无关大碍不值一提， 根本不至于致命，
: 跟精满说的马丁撞爆他头的说话大相径庭。。。
:
: j
: whic
: thi
: b
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y*******5
发帖数: 5023 | |
U*S
发帖数: 4914 | 24 建议你到黑人区走一走。
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 我看的报导不是特别多， 马丁死了，精满活着， 所以精满可以编造故事， 因为死无
: 对证了。 话说看到精满鬼扯说马丁要抢他枪这一段我真是不太信，当然小老黑找死的
: 思维也许我不太懂。。。
:
: j
: whic
: thi
: b
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 25 我觉得大家都是太感情用事了，就象一帮liberal和一帮conservative在辩论。 |
j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 26 can not agree more
如果我被打成那样，肯定无条件的用各种可能的手段自保
j
whic
thi
b
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: TM has been a bad guy anyway, though of course not enough to warrant death j
: ust because he's a typical black hooligan. but he was trying to kill GZ whic
: h resulted in his death, too bad. you see GZ's bloody photos and I would thi
: nk most people will conclude that GZ is reasonably fearful of being killed b
: y TM. but that's my opinion.
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 27 转个理性的报道。
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-m
Respect for the George Zimmerman verdict
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah.
Dispatcher: OK, we don't need you to do that.
* Related
* George Zimmerman leaves court with his family after the jury delivered
a not guilty verdict in his trial for the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon
Martin at the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center in Sanford Florida
George Zimmerman leaves court with his family
* Emanuel's Ferguson tic Emanuel's Ferguson tic
* Metra and the Illinois pols Metra and the Illinois pols
* Hold off Obamacare Hold off Obamacare
* Scott Stantis cartoons Scott Stantis cartoons
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The first tragedy of the Trayvon Martin case is that it didn't have to
happen. George Zimmerman didn't have to trail the teenager through the
darkened streets of the gated Florida community, didn't have to get out of
his truck. He was told not to. But he did.
In the struggle that followed, the unarmed boy was shot and killed — an
unarmed African-American teen, shot and killed by a neighborhood watch
volunteer who found his presence "suspicious." It's those details that
caused a public outcry when police and prosecutors initially declined to
charge Zimmerman with a crime.
Those same details hang over Saturday's verdict.
The nation should respect the jury that found Zimmerman not guilty of second
-degree murder. Defense attorneys argued that he fired in self-defense, and
prosecutors couldn't prove otherwise. Without enough evidence to challenge
Zimmerman's version of events, jurors had no choice but to acquit. We saw a
criminal justice system that is designed to protect the rights of the
accused, that rightly sets a high bar for a criminal conviction.
The jurors reached a unanimous verdict. The jurors did their job.
The same can't be said of police and prosecutors in the aftermath of the
shooting. It is their cavalier response — not the verdict — that compounds
this tragedy.
Sanford, Fla., police quickly accepted Zimmerman's explanation that he
pulled his gun because he felt his life was in danger. They weren't duly
troubled by his remarks that Martin was a "punk" who "looks like he's up to
no good." They didn't sufficiently question his account or his motives. They
shrugged it off.
An angry public demanded to know whether police and prosecutors would have
scrutinized the evidence more closely if Martin were white. It was, and is,
a fair question.
More than a million people signed an online petition demanding Zimmerman's
arrest. The U.S. Justice Department launched an investigation into Martin's
death. The Sanford police chief stepped down, and a special prosecutor was
named to handle the case. Six weeks after the shooting, Zimmerman was
charged with second-degree murder.
The fact that the Zimmerman was eventually acquitted of the charge — and
the lesser charge of manslaughter, which the jury also rejected — doesn't
validate the cursory dismissal by law enforcement back in February 2012.
This case deserved to be examined thoroughly and adjudicated.
As the case moved to trial, many of those who led the campaign stressed that
what they demanded was not an outcome, but a trial. But many now are
bitterly disappointed at the result.
The trial was fair. The evidence came up short. The outrage was that there
almost wasn't a trial at all. |
b*****e
发帖数: 53215 | 28 马丁是个有很多前科，穿hoodie在居民区闲逛的货，打死一点不冤
【在 b******d 的大作中提到】
: 如果这个案子发生在中国， 马丁是个愣头青火爆脾气很二，被精满怀疑是贼然后两人
: 打起来了最后精满用刀把马丁捅死了， 大家还会这么一边倒吗？
|
l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 29 In my opinion, this article is highly biased. The fact is just opposite. The
dismissed police in chief and and the prosecutor did the right thing: they
did not have enough evidence to charge Zimmerman and so they did not charge
him. We all have seen how ridiculous this case is when all witnesses and
evidences were presented in the court. The case should never have been
presented to the jury if TM was not a black.
delivered
【在 i*********r 的大作中提到】
: 转个理性的报道。
: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-edit-m
: Respect for the George Zimmerman verdict
: Dispatcher: Are you following him?
: Zimmerman: Yeah.
: Dispatcher: OK, we don't need you to do that.
: * Related
: * George Zimmerman leaves court with his family after the jury delivered
: a not guilty verdict in his trial for the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon
: Martin at the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center in Sanford Florida
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M******k
发帖数: 27573 | 30 launch a special investigation by a million-signed petition is ridiculous
enough. |
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P*******e
发帖数: 39399 | 31 鼻涕说正经话了！！
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】
: 马丁是个有很多前科，穿hoodie在居民区闲逛的货，打死一点不冤
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H****3
发帖数: 7936 | 32 re，本来就不是个case，还不是迫于黑团体的压力。看看检方的那些证据，居然好意思
拿出来。
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: good. this really shouldn't even have been such a big case, quite simple
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p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 33 没事儿打打脸也是一种调剂。
【在 H****3 的大作中提到】
: re，本来就不是个case，还不是迫于黑团体的压力。看看检方的那些证据，居然好意思
: 拿出来。
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H****3
发帖数: 7936 | 34 GM他兄弟不知道干什么的，很给力啊。判决出来之后上CNN接受piers morgan采访，有
理有据，pm从头到尾下了无数的套，这哥们死活不钻还反手打pm脸，看的真痛快。
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: 没事儿打打脸也是一种调剂。
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 35 GZ's father worked in legal system, so it's not very surprising
to see his brother speaks well with reasoning:
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worke
“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006.
Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but
they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More
detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available
on Virginia's Judicial System Website .”
Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate#ixzz2Z8tcN42d
【在 H****3 的大作中提到】
: GM他兄弟不知道干什么的，很给力啊。判决出来之后上CNN接受piers morgan采访，有
: 理有据，pm从头到尾下了无数的套，这哥们死活不钻还反手打pm脸，看的真痛快。
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 36 I was amazed how eloquent his brother is.
More
available
【在 A**d 的大作中提到】
: GZ's father worked in legal system, so it's not very surprising
: to see his brother speaks well with reasoning:
: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worke
: “Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006.
: Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but
: they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More
: detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available
: on Virginia's Judicial System Website .”
: Read more: http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate#ixzz2Z8tcN42d
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 37 刚瞅了眼电视，好像说开始只有3人判无罪，2人判manslaughter，1人判murder。还挺
险的。跟12 angry men似的。 |
H****3
发帖数: 7936 | 38 juror 接受采访了？可以想象，要不怎么熬了16个小时。
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: 刚瞅了眼电视，好像说开始只有3人判无罪，2人判manslaughter，1人判murder。还挺
: 险的。跟12 angry men似的。
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