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t******t
发帖数: 271

发达国家留学主要去英国，亚非拉学生留学才主要去美国。而且大部分亚非拉学生如果
不学理工科，不到大体量的美国理工科系，这些第三世界学生根本出不来，加拿大，澳
洲，美国，北欧学生主要投奔英国也是在政治，经济，法律等等社会管理专业。所以，
英国对这些发达国家的上层社会具有指导性。最简单的例子，美国高层里面国防部长是
英国牛津，希拉里女儿是牛津的，总统克林顿是牛津的，肯尼迪LSE，国务卿克里的女
儿LSE，美联储主席耶伦是前LSE教员，耶伦儿子在英国华威大学，9人大法官里的3位出
自牛津，美国国会33个议员出自英国大学。除加，澳，美，欧之外的发达地区，日本的
，韩国的，新加坡总理，香港的，中东的都是倾向英国大学，英国对发达国家的留学吸
引力明显大于美国。即使英国暂时把MIT排在第一，也不会影响这些发达国家高层家庭
子女投奔英国留学，所以英国两个机构才能抛开一些理工科数字因素对世界大学声誉
进行排名，在发达国家间掌握权威性，就等于控制世界文明的中枢神经，英国这个排名
当然可以直接在美国USNEWS发布。反正2015年美国墨黑人口达到58%。很多老中子女那
时候正好大学毕业走向墨黑社会，所以现在说这些也是让各位都回去想想。

L****8
发帖数: 3938

你是不是waif？

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: 发达国家留学主要去英国，亚非拉学生留学才主要去美国。而且大部分亚非拉学生如果
: 不学理工科，不到大体量的美国理工科系，这些第三世界学生根本出不来，加拿大，澳
: 洲，美国，北欧学生主要投奔英国也是在政治，经济，法律等等社会管理专业。所以，
: 英国对这些发达国家的上层社会具有指导性。最简单的例子，美国高层里面国防部长是
: 英国牛津，希拉里女儿是牛津的，总统克林顿是牛津的，肯尼迪LSE，国务卿克里的女
: 儿LSE，美联储主席耶伦是前LSE教员，耶伦儿子在英国华威大学，9人大法官里的3位出
: 自牛津，美国国会33个议员出自英国大学。除加，澳，美，欧之外的发达地区，日本的
: ，韩国的，新加坡总理，香港的，中东的都是倾向英国大学，英国对发达国家的留学吸
: 引力明显大于美国。即使英国暂时把MIT排在第一，也不会影响这些发达国家高层家庭
: 子女投奔英国留学，所以英国两个机构才能抛开一些理工科数字因素对世界大学声誉

M****o
发帖数: 4860

快别提阴国了，都成亚非拉文凭买卖市场了。。。。

H*******e
发帖数: 726

这个是原创吗？我在其它地方读过类似的帖子。

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s******g
发帖数: 3841

人家二代上英国大学是因为不care什么学校，就算英国的水货学位将来也能很牛逼
你我又不是二代，鼓吹英国的学校就是在误人子弟啊
人家杰布连藤都不爬，直接上的家门口的公立学校，照样总统候选人

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z***t
发帖数: 2374

你们都瞎琢磨啥
该刷试管的刷试管，该写文章的写文章
去伦敦读书主要因为那里是时尚之都，玩的花样多
人家上大学是为了开party,钓凯子
美国这边大城市都是乡下，只适合读书的孩子

h********0
发帖数: 12056

你的知识都是体育老师教的吗？

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x*********3
发帖数: 44

不要侮辱体育老师…

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: 你的知识都是体育老师教的吗？

M*****l
发帖数: 4478

你这个说法出发点就可笑。首先你看的是“留学生”，美国人在美国上学不算”留学生
”。而想“留学”的美国人，也就是混混经历长长见识，又不想学外语，也就英国还有
差不多的学校了吧。他们去英国读个学位跟休学一年去非洲旅行的动机和目的没有本质
区别。
你说的那些例子，大部分是美国培养，英国只是其经历的很小一部分。克林顿的经历是
乔治敦，牛津，耶鲁。而显然耶鲁对他是最重要的。而肯尼迪，在LSE只待了一个月，
却也被楼主拿来舔英国教育，这就无耻得有点过了。肯尼迪主要经历是哈佛的
undergrad和斯坦福的grad school，当年影响很大的本科毕业论文是黑英国的。楼主提
及的其他美国名人的例子，基本都是这种情况。最后楼主连名人的子女也拿出来说，这
就更没边了。人家要是有几个孩子，其中一个孩子某一个阶段选择去英国留学，在楼主看
来这也是英国高等教育优于美国的明证。

t******t
发帖数: 271

伦敦政治学院
欧洲部分校友
Georgios Alogoskoufis, former Minister for Economy and Finance, Greece
Prince Amedeo of Belgium
Frits Bolkestein, Dutch politician and former EU Commissioner
Joe Bossano, Chief Minister of Gibraltar
Lykke Friis, Minister for Climate and Energy, Denmark
Wilfried Guth, Chairman of Deutsche Bank
Prince Haakon Magnus, Crown Prince of Norway
Rainer Hable, Member of Austrian Parliament
Patrick Janssens, Mayor of Antwerp (2003-2012); MP Flemish Parliament,
Chairman Flemish social democrats (SP) (1999-2003), Belgian MP Chamber of
Representatives (2003-2004)
Jan Kavan, former President of the United Nations General Assembly, member
of the Czech Parliament, former Foreign Minister and Deputy Prime Minister
of the Czech Republic
Ursula von der Leyen, Minister for Labour and Social Affairs, Germany
Ivan Mikloš, Minister of Finance of Slovakia
Franz Neumann, first Chief of Research of the Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal
Elias Mossialos, Minister of State and Government Spokesman, Greece
Érik Orsenna, former economist and advisor to François
Mitterrand, member of the Conseil d'État and of the Académie fran&
ccedil;aise, 1988 Prix Goncourt
Giorgos Papakonstantinou, former Minister for Finance of Greece
George Papandreou, Foreign Minister of Greece from 1999 to 2004 and from
2009 to present, Prime Minister of Greece from 2009 to 2011
Jacek Rostowski, Minister of Finance, Poland
Jonas Gahr Støre, Norwegian Minister of Foreign Affairs
Alexander Stubb, Prime Minister of Finland
Zdeněk Tůma, Governor of Czech National Bank
August Zaleski, twice Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Poland
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Elliott Abrams, Assistant Secretary of State in Reagan Administration;
Senior Director of the National Security Council in Bush Administration
Eric Alterman, Professor at Brooklyn College; political columnist for The
Nation; Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress and the World
Policy Institute
Donald Baer, White House Director of Communications and Strategic Planning
in Clinton Administration
Valerie Lynn Baldwin, Assistant Secretary of the Army (Financial Management
and Comptroller), Bush Administration
Walter Berns, Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Alan Blinder, Chief Economist of the Council of Economic Advisors under Bill
Clinton; economic advisor to John Kerry; vice-chairman of the Federal
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Bill Blythe, former Republican state representative from Harris County,
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Michael Chertoff, United States Secretary of Homeland Security, Bush
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Colm Connolly, United States Attorney, Bush Administration
Lauchlin Currie, White House Economic Adviser to President Franklin Delano
Roosevelt
Rosa DeLauro, high-ranking Democratic Member of the US House of
Representatives
Edwin Feulner, President of the Heritage Foundation Think Tank
William Gale, Council of Economic Advisers, Bush Administration
Eric Garcetti, Mayor, Los Angeles
Marc Grossman, US Under-Secretary of State, Bush Administration; US
Ambassador to Turkey, Clinton Administration; Special Advisor to the
President on Near East Affairs, Carter Administration
Orval H. Hansen, Republican Member of the US House of Representatives
Genta H. Holmes, United States Ambassador to Australia, Clinton
Administration; United States Ambassador to Namibia; Chief of Mission to
Haiti and Malawi
Alice Stone Ilchman, Assistant Secretary of Education and Cultural Affairs
under US President Jimmy Carter
Bruce Jentleson, International Affairs Fellow, Council of Foreign Relations;
Senior Foreign Policy Advisor to Vice President Al Gore
Bruce Katz, former Chief of Staff, US Department of Housing and Urban
Development; Vice President, Brookings Institution
Anthony Kennedy, United States Supreme Court, Associate Justice
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Joseph P. Kennedy, Jr., first son of Joseph Kennedy and elder brother of
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Robert F. Kennedy, Jr., environmental activist, son of slain Senator Robert
Kennedy
Vanessa Kerry, Democratic activist and daughter of Senator John Kerry (D-MA)
Ron Kind, Democratic Member of US House of Representatives
Mark Kirk, Republican Member of the US Senate
Susan Lindauer, ex-Congressional aide accused of assisting Iraqi
intelligence prior to the 2003 invasion
Edward Luttwak, Consultant to the US National Security Council, State
Department and Defence Department; Economist; Historian; Senior Fellow at
the Center for Strategic and International Studies
James McGreevey, former governor of New Jersey
Brad Miller, Member of the US House of Representatives
Richard H. Moore, North Carolina state treasurer
Daniel Patrick Moynihan, US Senator
Ethan Nadelmann, founder and executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance
Peter R. Orszag, Special Assistant to the President for Economic Policy,
Senior Economist, Council of Economic Advisors, Clinton Administration;
Fellow of the Brookings Institution; Professor, Georgetown University,
Congressional Budget Office Director, Director designate Office of
Management and Budget
Tan Parker, member of the Texas House of Representatives
Alice Paul, American suffragist
Richard Perle, Assistant Secretary of Defense, Reagan Administration;
Chairman of Defense Department Advsory Committee, Bush Administration;
fellow, American Enterprise Institute
F. Whitten Peters, Secretary of the Air Force, Washington, D.C.
David Rockefeller, former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank; Chairman/Honorary
Chairman, the Council on Foreign Relations; Chairman/Honorary Chairman, the
Trilateral Commission
Pete Rouse, White House Chief of Staff, Obama Administration
James Rubin, Assistant Secretary of State, Clinton Administration; lead
foreign policy adviser to John Kerry campaign
Robert Rubin, US Treasury Secretary and Director, National Economic Council,
Clinton Administration; Director of Goldman Sachs
Rajiv Shah, USAID Administrator, Obama Administration
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Administration; Fellow of Harvard University; Fellow of National Bureau of
Economic Research
Mona Sutphen, current White House Deputy Chief of Staff for Policy
John Tower, US Senator
Paul Volcker, Chairman of Federal Reserve, Carter and Reagan Administrations
; US Treasury Under-Secretary, Nixon Administration; President of the
Federal Reserve Bank of New York
David Welch, Assistant Secretary of State, Clinton Administration; US
Ambassador to Egypt, Bush Administration
Kimba Wood, United States Federal Judge; Attorney General Nominee
Janet Yellen, Chair, Federal Reserve, formerly Council of Economic Advisers,
Clinton Administration; Vice-President, American Economic Association;
President and CEO of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco
Dov Zakheim, Under-Secretary of Defense, Bush and Reagan administrations
加拿大部分校友
Jon Allen, Canadian Ambassador to Israel, 2006–present
Ed Broadbent, Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada, 1975-1989
Kim Campbell, former Prime Minister of Canada
John Crosbie, Lieutenant-Governor of Newfoundland and Labrador, former
Cabinet minister
Hal Jackman, former Lieutenant-Governor of Ontario
Michael Ignatieff, Leader of the Liberal Party 2008-2011
Joy MacPhail, former finance minister and deputy premier of British Columbia
Marc Mayrand, Chief Electoral Officer of Elections Canada, 2007–present
David McGuinty, Member of Parliament, Liberal Party
Jacques Parizeau, Premier of Quebec, 1994–1996
Louis Rasminsky, Governor of the Bank of Canada, 1961 to 1973
Svend Robinson, former Canadian MP; first openly gay Canadian politician in
major political party
Gregory Selinger, Premier of Manitoba, 2009–present
Mitchell Sharp, former Canadian Minister of Finance
Walter Tarnopolsky, Canadian judge and member of United Nations Human Rights
Committee
Gordon Thiessen, Governor of the Bank of Canada, 1994-2001
Pierre Trudeau, Prime Minister of Canada, 1968-1979 and 1980-1984
Michael Wilson, Canadian Ambassador to the US, 2006–present
Paul Zed, Member of Parliament for Saint John, New Brunswick
澳洲部分校友
Ameer Ali, President of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils
William Macmahon Ball, Australian diplomat
Tim Barnett, Member of the Parliament of New Zealand
Peter Coleman, Journalist and conservative politician
Arnold Cook, Founder of the Guide Dog movement
Nugget Coombs, Governor of the Reserve Bank of Australia
Robert Hill, Defence Minister
Christian Porter, Treasurer and Attorney-General of Western Australia
Gordon Reid, Governor of Western Australia and Vice-Chancellor of the
University of Western Australia
Peter Shergold, Secretary of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet
Stephen Smith, Foreign and Defence minister
Tim Watts, Labour MP
Penny Wong, Labour MP and Minister
亚洲部分校友
B. R. Ambedkar, First Law Minister of India, Bahujan political leader who
was the chief architect of the Indian Constitution[12]
Piyasvasti Amranand, Thailand's Energy Minister
Sonny Angara, Senator of the Philippines
Khawaja Muhammad Asif, Defence Minister of Pakistan.
Taro Aso, former Prime Minister of Japan
Makhdoom Khusro Bakhtiar, Former Dy. Foreign Minister of Pakistan
Jyoti Basu, Indian politician, Kolkata, West Bengal, India
Audrey Eu, member of the Legislative Council of Hong Kong and former party
leader of the Civic Party
Abul Fateh, Bangladesh diplomat
Feroze Gandhi, Indian-Parsi politician and journalist, former 'First
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Vivienne Goonewardena, Sri Lankan Trotskyist freedom agitator,
parliamentarian, trade unionist and women's activist
Wang Guangya, permanent representative of the People's Republic of China to
the United Nations
Tsai Ing-wen, former Vice Premier of the Republic of China (Taiwan)
Amarananda Somasiri Jayawardene, Governor of the Central Bank of Sri Lanka
Yang Jiechi, current Minister of Foreign Affairs of the People's Republic of
China
Mustafa Kamal, former Chief Justice of Bangladesh
Sir Yuet Keung Kan, Hong Kong politician, banker and lawyer
Makhdoom Ali Khan, Ex-Attorney General of Pakistan and chief lawyer of
President Pervez Musharraf
Khan Abdul Qayyum Khan, President of Pakistan Muslim League, 1st Chief
Minister of N.W.F.P Pakistan, former Industry trade and Interior Minister of
Pakistan
Emily Lau, Hong Kong politician
Maliha Lodhi, Pakistan's High Commissioner to United Kingdom and former
Ambassador to USA
Marvi Memon, Member National Assembly Pakistan
Krishna Menon, former Indian Permanent Representative to the UN, Minister of
Defence, and leading proponent of India's emancipation
C. R. Pattabhiraman, Indian member of Parliament and Union Minister
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Tharman Shanmugaratnam, Singapore's Finance Minister
Juwono Sudarsono, Indonesian Minister of Defence
Chiune Sugihara, Japanese diplomat
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Lee Kuan Yew, former Prime Minister of Singapore

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● 请问谁有化学工程的美国大学排名？	● 大家都能招到国内大学排名多少的学生？
● usnews 大学排名的不同tier	● 关于大学排名
● 给涉世未深的小朋友们提个醒，就是英国教职尽量避免	● 有没有拿到英国大学parmenent lecture的？
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t******t
发帖数: 271

人家英国和北欧名人和子女，就看不上到你美国当“留学生”，反倒是美国总统国务卿
法官要去英国当留学生。
英国，加拿大，澳洲名人也是去英国有一小段经历，怎么不到美国有一小段经历。

主看

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: 你这个说法出发点就可笑。首先你看的是“留学生”，美国人在美国上学不算”留学生
: ”。而想“留学”的美国人，也就是混混经历长长见识，又不想学外语，也就英国还有
: 差不多的学校了吧。他们去英国读个学位跟休学一年去非洲旅行的动机和目的没有本质
: 区别。
: 你说的那些例子，大部分是美国培养，英国只是其经历的很小一部分。克林顿的经历是
: 乔治敦，牛津，耶鲁。而显然耶鲁对他是最重要的。而肯尼迪，在LSE只待了一个月，
: 却也被楼主拿来舔英国教育，这就无耻得有点过了。肯尼迪主要经历是哈佛的
: undergrad和斯坦福的grad school，当年影响很大的本科毕业论文是黑英国的。楼主提
: 及的其他美国名人的例子，基本都是这种情况。最后楼主连名人的子女也拿出来说，这
: 就更没边了。人家要是有几个孩子，其中一个孩子某一个阶段选择去英国留学，在楼主看

M*****l
发帖数: 4478

首先，那些人子女不来美国，是你的主观臆断。
第二，英国人去英国有一小段经历是什么意思？不能理解你的逻辑。
澳洲？加拿大？这些以卖矿卖森林为生的国家，出过几个对世界政治经济格局有重大影
响的人？举例说说？
最后，你能正面回答下吗？为什么哈佛、斯坦福出身的肯尼迪只有1个月的LSE经历，也
被你包装成LSE的人？

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: 人家英国和北欧名人和子女，就看不上到你美国当“留学生”，反倒是美国总统国务卿
: 法官要去英国当留学生。
: 英国，加拿大，澳洲名人也是去英国有一小段经历，怎么不到美国有一小段经历。
:
: 主看

s******g
发帖数: 3841

美国人去欧洲留学基本就是去体验风情增加阅历的
照你这逻辑查尔斯王储还在威尔士、苏格兰、澳大利亚读书过，是不是这三个地方的大
学胜过英格兰的大学了？

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s*******e
发帖数: 1002

楼主最近没回过中国吧?
这些年英国留学生的数量不比美国少,但名头不怎么样.大部分是一年的硕士项目,也有
三年左右的phd.国内认可度不是很高.主要是大部分学位务虚不务实,水分太大
美国人去英国留学是应该的.英国是上一任世界霸主,美国白人基督教文化的发源地,即
使现在衰落了,也是很受尊敬的.我在以前一些帖子里预测过,美国和英国的关系,就是未
来中国和美国的关系

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n****o
发帖数: 2339

欧洲那种政要，就象美国一个州议员差不多，可能还不如，鸡巴大的国家还一个完整的
政治制度，所以政要还特别多，可能和美国县议员差不多。
大英帝国一结束，教育质量要是还能和美国叫板，美国别混了。

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: 伦敦政治学院
: 欧洲部分校友
: Georgios Alogoskoufis, former Minister for Economy and Finance, Greece
: Prince Amedeo of Belgium
: Frits Bolkestein, Dutch politician and former EU Commissioner
: Joe Bossano, Chief Minister of Gibraltar
: Lykke Friis, Minister for Climate and Energy, Denmark
: Wilfried Guth, Chairman of Deutsche Bank
: Prince Haakon Magnus, Crown Prince of Norway
: Rainer Hable, Member of Austrian Parliament

a*********8
发帖数: 2353

自己觉得哪好就去哪呗，有什么好讨论的。每次都要把别人贬一下，不会显得自己多有
见解。萝卜白菜各有所爱。

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j*******h
发帖数: 520

楼主确实应该去英国，虽然估计楼主不是什么二代，但这智商去英国应该更合适，那里
的项目都是短平快的。对了，千万别去错了德国，那些学校比米国的还苦逼，楼主估计
适应不了

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H********1
发帖数: 865

牛津大学，外国留学生最多的三个国家：美国，加拿大，澳大利亚。
哈佛大学，外国留学生最多的三个国家：中国，韩国，印度。

D******1
发帖数: 240

哎说到美国时时踩踩英国,踩的方法大部分是说美国物价收入房子好
说到英国踩踩美国此文章挺有新意
呵呵
也就笑笑

d******l
发帖数: 631

美国很少有澳洲，加拿大和欧洲一线发达国家留学生的主要原因：
1,美国家庭中线收入只有可怜的5万美元，与欧加澳7万美元中位家庭收入有差距，生活
水平不认同。
2,美国有高达45%比例的墨黑亚非拉人口，拉美文化和非白人基督文化盛行，人文文化
不认同。
3,美国尚无全民医保养老社会福利，中产阶级价值社会是个空架子，社会发展的价值环
境不认同。

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t******t
发帖数: 271

如果一个所谓发达国家总是以小弟弟形式存在，让自己国民出钱出血去替别人国家打仗
，而自己国民起码的医保退休养老都无法保障，并且自己国民家庭中线收入明显低于别
人一线白人发达国家。那么这个国家很可能是个墨黑人口的二流发达国家，甚至就是美
国。

【在 n****o 的大作中提到】

: 欧洲那种政要，就象美国一个州议员差不多，可能还不如，鸡巴大的国家还一个完整的
: 政治制度，所以政要还特别多，可能和美国县议员差不多。
: 大英帝国一结束，教育质量要是还能和美国叫板，美国别混了。

t*********n
发帖数: 296

楼主，且不说你的例子都是乱举，就算是全世界的总统都到英国上过大学，现在的现
实就是，最起码在统计学上看整体来说，一流学生去美国，二流去德国，三流才去英
国（如果是在西方国家中比较）。你不要费力气了。无用。录取也是美国最难。科研也
是美国最牛。大学也是美国最好。这都是
共识了，没必要倒腾来倒腾去的。真的，在现在信息爆炸的时代，你的帖子忽悠不住大
众，改变不了他们的看法。大家都很容易一交流就知道事实了。就算是白人都去英国，
非洲人都来美国，又怎样呢？能佐证什么论点？咋在英国还待出种族歧视了？而且你接
触过非洲来的学生吗？能来美国的都不差，很可能比你强。
你要说二代英国第一，我还能被你吓住。

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d******m
发帖数: 124

大多数人都认为自己带过的地方最好，都想在那里混出名堂。换个地方就像是混不下去
了似的。多大绝大多数在欧洲的中国人都不来美国。

s******e
发帖数: 1751

where is 知识?

【在 h********0 的大作中提到】

: 你的知识都是体育老师教的吗？

W***o
发帖数: 6519

英国的留学生最多的群体是我天朝小刘儿

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f*****n
发帖数: 2126

我大阴日薄西山多少年了。你这样使劲的一舔，我阴受不了，都射了！

c****i
发帖数: 420

中國大多數偏遠山區的人都不去帝魔二都，所以他們那裡比帝魔二都好？
去歐洲的自然是一開始就去不了美國的，
對他們中的絕大多數，從來都沒有想不想去美國的問題，是根本沒資格。

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: 大多数人都认为自己带过的地方最好，都想在那里混出名堂。换个地方就像是混不下去
: 了似的。多大绝大多数在欧洲的中国人都不来美国。

n****o
发帖数: 2339

你这个叫抬杠了，为什么不比一下英国来美国的留学生和美国去英国的留学生呢？而且
美国还比英国大那么多。
美国成为老大，教育和人口平均素质是根本，不是其他国家能望其项背的。不说什么科
学政治，你去查查欧洲传统强项古典音乐，最好的学校都在纽约。
牛津是英国世界帝国时代的东西，现在还不如随便一个藤校，更别说顶尖牛校比如哈佛
耶鲁斯坦福这种。俺老板就是牛津毕业的，说牛津最多密西根水平，就这样了。

【在 H********1 的大作中提到】

: 牛津大学，外国留学生最多的三个国家：美国，加拿大，澳大利亚。
: 哈佛大学，外国留学生最多的三个国家：中国，韩国，印度。

p*******p
发帖数: 144

与英国制定世界大学排名比较起来，美国的政治，媒体，美联储都被英欧犹太人控制岂
不是根源。

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m*******1
发帖数: 84

http://www.timeshighereducation.co.uk/news/forget-harvard-oxfor
Magazine claims the ancient university's science reputation is slipping.
Melanie Newman writes.
While Oxford University is usually placed in the same league as Harvard or
Yale, it is actually more like the University of Minnesota when it comes to
the quality of its scientific research, an academic has argued.
Bruce Charlton, reader in evolutionary psychiatry at Newcastle University,
has calculated that if you take the total number of times Oxford researchers
are cited by their peers, the number of highly cited academics at the
university, and the number of Nobel prizes its staff have won, then
Minnesota is its closest match.
In the current edition of the Oxford Magazine, Dr Charlton writes that
Oxford has 45 academics identified as "highly cited" by Thomson Scientific
and Minnesota has 47, while the University of California, Berkeley has 86
and the University of California, San Diego has 60.
Oxford and Minnesota have the same level of total citations for the period
2000-04. While Minnesota claimed its first Nobel laureate in 2007, Oxford's
most recent laureate was in 1973.
Dr Charlton told Times Higher Education: "I was surprised by how poorly
Oxford did. I wasn't expecting it to be up there with the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology, but I thought it might make the second tier. People
will argue that these are crude measures, but I can't think of any better
ones."
Although Oxford is strong in the arts and humanities, Dr Charlton notes that
these are culture-specific and harder to measure objectively.
"Since a university can only prove its superiority in science, science is
what is used to measure status," he said. "And in terms of science, Oxford
is no longer especially distinguished - neither in volume nor in quality."
Europe is littered with once-great universities such as the Sorbonne,
Bologna and Berlin, he said. "I suggest that Oxford may be on this path."
Oxford has been catching up with the best US universities in terms of total
numbers of publications and citations, a trend that Dr Charlton believes is
due to the research assessment exercise. But he said that the RAE has led to
a decline in "revolutionary science", with a longer-term negative impact.
Rather than being encouraged to tackle tough problems where the risk of
failure is high, the best of Oxford's scientists are being pressured to
undertake easier, short-term research, Dr Charlton said.
This kind of research has a higher probability of getting funding and fits
well into the RAE's time frame. Scientists who choose to aim high sacrifice
their short-term productivity and, in doing so, they risk losing their
departments hundreds of thousands of pounds of extra money.
One Oxford scientist who wished to remain anonymous said: "The article makes
an important point. However, the cause may be less the RAE than the
practices of the research councils in choosing which research to fund. They
tend to fund research they feel is sure to succeed on plan in a three-year
timescale. By comparison, the RAE is generous in allowing six to eight years.
"The research councils have also become more and more top-down, deciding
what areas of research they want to fund in special programmes and losing
openness to the ideas of the researchers themselves," the Oxford scientist
added.
Brian Foster, professor of experimental physics at Oxford, said: "The
measurement of productivity by numbers of publications is what is forcing
people to publish quickly and often. I am reminded of the famous quote by
Wolfgang Pauli: 'I don't object to the fact that you think slowly. What I do
object to is if you publish faster than you think'."
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M****o
发帖数: 4860

All well said 7 years ago.

v****3
发帖数: 193

这里老中的思维适合看（上海交大）排名。

L*********4
发帖数: 883

EPSRC看重的就是数proposal里的国家数量，女性比例，外国人比例，正教授数量这些
。对质量的评估完全是水啊水。。。

makes
They
years.

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: All well said 7 years ago.

t******t
发帖数: 271

错啦，最多的是美国，加拿大，澳洲和欧洲等发达国家的小留。
美国的留学生最多的群体才是墨西哥，中国，亚非拉第三世界的小留。

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: 英国的留学生最多的群体是我天朝小刘儿

z*******n
发帖数: 444

不但留学，移民也是如此。
穷国家才热衷移民美国，美国前10大的移民来源国家都是穷国家。
英国有7个发达国家，加拿大有6个发达国家，澳洲有4个发达国家。

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l******r
发帖数: 18699

你在地下室呆久了眼界可真窄，英国大学牛得很，被你说得这么不堪

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: 快别提阴国了，都成亚非拉文凭买卖市场了。。。。

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