e*****y
发帖数: 25 | 1 Two weeks after my on-site interview, I learned from a third-party that the
offer was given to another candidate. Disappointed and confused, I hope and would appreciate to
receive some advice here as to what to do next in order to enhance the chance of
success in the future pursuit of a tenure-track position. |
e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 2 simply do a better job than your competitors.
the
and would appreciate to
chance of
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Two weeks after my on-site interview, I learned from a third-party that the
: offer was given to another candidate. Disappointed and confused, I hope and would appreciate to
: receive some advice here as to what to do next in order to enhance the chance of
: success in the future pursuit of a tenure-track position.
|
d******u
发帖数: 1114 | 3 他们选人的原因很多，不一定就是你interview的表现不好，也许那个人的方向更加合
适一些，或者一些别的因素。你能了解到更多一点的内幕吗？ |
f***z
发帖数: 65 | 4 I don't think there are simple rules for this, we just need to be patient.
At your interview, try to connect your research with faculties there as much
as you can; try to show that you like to do research and you care about
students; and try to show that you would be a good citizen of the department.
the
and would appreciate to
chance of
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Two weeks after my on-site interview, I learned from a third-party that the
: offer was given to another candidate. Disappointed and confused, I hope and would appreciate to
: receive some advice here as to what to do next in order to enhance the chance of
: success in the future pursuit of a tenure-track position.
|
e*****y
发帖数: 25 | 5 Is this a good time to ask the committee chair for feedbacks? Or should I
wait till after receiving the rejection letter/email?
【在 d******u 的大作中提到】
: 他们选人的原因很多，不一定就是你interview的表现不好，也许那个人的方向更加合
: 适一些，或者一些别的因素。你能了解到更多一点的内幕吗？
|
b******7
发帖数: 207 | 6 如果给了美国人，女人，黑人，或是某大牛的学生或薄厚，很正常。这跟你的表现无关。
I
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Is this a good time to ask the committee chair for feedbacks? Or should I
: wait till after receiving the rejection letter/email?
|
y****5
发帖数: 102 | 7 I think you can ask. But most likely they won't tell you the true reason. No
hurt to shoot emails to those you know. I got rejected after I sent the
wish list. The search committee chair said he did not know the reason while
the department head never replied to me. |
t***y
发帖数: 156 | 8
一般而言，问也没用。大部分人都不会告诉你具体原因。
个人感觉拿不拿到Offer，各种因素很多。还有很多情况，并不是最强的Candadiate（
并不是被该Candidate拒掉）拿到Offer。
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Is this a good time to ask the committee chair for feedbacks? Or should I
: wait till after receiving the rejection letter/email?
|
A****0
发帖数: 1367 | 9 Be a little bit more patient. Until your competitor accepts the offer in
writing, you are still on the waiting list and not out of the game yet !
No need to ask for feedbacks from the committee chair as he/she will not
disclose the true reason to you, not to any other candidate either according
to the common privacy regulation.
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Is this a good time to ask the committee chair for feedbacks? Or should I
: wait till after receiving the rejection letter/email?
|
w********n
发帖数: 23 | 10 我被一个学校据了以后，发信过去问了一下原因，对方还是告诉我原因了。但是lz目前
还没有收到据信，所以现在问太早了，等收到据信以后再问比较好。而且目前是在
waitinglist上。不一定就是悲剧了 |
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G***y
发帖数: 1082 | 11 Calm down.Job hunt is a semi-random process. There is no guarantee that you
will get an offer even you are the strongest candidate scientifically. In
fact, many time the top candidate won't get an offer for one reason or the
other.
Good luck。
the
and would appreciate to
chance of
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Two weeks after my on-site interview, I learned from a third-party that the
: offer was given to another candidate. Disappointed and confused, I hope and would appreciate to
: receive some advice here as to what to do next in order to enhance the chance of
: success in the future pursuit of a tenure-track position.
|
L******r
发帖数: 141 | 12 They gave the offer to another candidate. But are you sure that person will
take it? If you are not sure, then wait and be patient. |
a**********y
发帖数: 2367 | |
e*****y
发帖数: 25 | 14 Thanks to everyone for helpful inputs.
As to my interview performance, several people told me they enjoyed my talks
. During each one-to-one meeting, I felt the conversations were all smooth
and pleasant.
I did receive a specific feedback from one of the faculty members who
interviewed me. She told me that my articulation or pronunciation wasn't
clear enough even though the speaking itself was fluent. For that reason,
the talk was at times difficult for her to follow from my speaking, even if
she agreed my slides were well prepared.That led to concerns about my
teaching potential.
I was taken back very much by her comments.I thought my English speaking,
though not as good as a native, was decent enough for conversations and
public speakings in general.I don't recall any impression that there was a
noticeable difficulty in understanding me during my talks or conversations,
judging from the responses from the audience and the people I was talking to.
The offer was indeed given to a native speaker. This department has never had a faculty member with a Chinese or eastern Asian origin. Probably there has been a strong expectation on the English speaking skills, something I know I do have room to improve upon.
【在 a**********y 的大作中提到】
: 你不说说你表现的如何别人也无法评论啊
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e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 15 what is your major?so weired.
talks
if
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks to everyone for helpful inputs.
: As to my interview performance, several people told me they enjoyed my talks
: . During each one-to-one meeting, I felt the conversations were all smooth
: and pleasant.
: I did receive a specific feedback from one of the faculty members who
: interviewed me. She told me that my articulation or pronunciation wasn't
: clear enough even though the speaking itself was fluent. For that reason,
: the talk was at times difficult for her to follow from my speaking, even if
: she agreed my slides were well prepared.That led to concerns about my
: teaching potential.
|
a****e
发帖数: 1662 | 16 It has nothing to do with you. Be patient and move on.
the
and would appreciate to
chance of
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Two weeks after my on-site interview, I learned from a third-party that the
: offer was given to another candidate. Disappointed and confused, I hope and would appreciate to
: receive some advice here as to what to do next in order to enhance the chance of
: success in the future pursuit of a tenure-track position.
|
a****e
发帖数: 1662 | 17 那也得是大牛最喜欢的学生/薄厚（并非学术水平最高，是忽悠人的水准最高而已）才
能拿到offer。大牛不见待的学生/薄厚S的更悲惨，呵呵
关。
【在 b******7 的大作中提到】
: 如果给了美国人，女人，黑人，或是某大牛的学生或薄厚，很正常。这跟你的表现无关。
:
: I
|
e*****y
发帖数: 25 | 18 Can you elaborate a bit which part feels so weird?
【在 e****g 的大作中提到】
: what is your major?so weired.
:
: talks
: if
|
a**********d
发帖数: 2293 | 19 你英语写得挺好的。
我上学的时候系里请过一个日本人来面试，那个日本人口音不重，语法错误不多，大家
都能明白他在说什么，但是面试之后还是有教授说 He is not articulate enough to
teach our undergraduates。我们是社科专业，这个日本人的表述的确偏于简单直白，
比较subtle的地方要讲半天才能说清楚，跟雄辩幽默、舌绽莲花、妙语如珠等等境界差
得太远了。
不过最后没给他offer不是因为这点，而是他研究不够独立，job talk讲的东西是基于
跟他导师合作的一篇文章，他导师是一作，他自己的论文弱很多。
是不是articulate这个问题短时间内没办法解决，你别想太多。如果真有什么可以改进
的，我觉得你可以讲慢一点，回答问题也慢一点，多想想，字句上稍微斟酌一下，讲得
快、张口就来貌似流畅，但效果往往反倒不好。
talks
if
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Thanks to everyone for helpful inputs.
: As to my interview performance, several people told me they enjoyed my talks
: . During each one-to-one meeting, I felt the conversations were all smooth
: and pleasant.
: I did receive a specific feedback from one of the faculty members who
: interviewed me. She told me that my articulation or pronunciation wasn't
: clear enough even though the speaking itself was fluent. For that reason,
: the talk was at times difficult for her to follow from my speaking, even if
: she agreed my slides were well prepared.That led to concerns about my
: teaching potential.
|
y******l
发帖数: 900 | 20 此处不留人,自有留人处.
the
and would appreciate to
chance of
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: Two weeks after my on-site interview, I learned from a third-party that the
: offer was given to another candidate. Disappointed and confused, I hope and would appreciate to
: receive some advice here as to what to do next in order to enhance the chance of
: success in the future pursuit of a tenure-track position.
|
|
|
e*****y
发帖数: 25 | 21 Thanks again to everyone for insights and encouragement.
I do intend to speak faster than I should, particularly when I get excited
about what I am talking about, in conversations and in talks.In principle I
know that slowing down helps articulation (and vice versa), but in practice,
apparently I still need more practice.
My (sub)field is very narrow and in average there are only one or two TT
positions each year. Now I have to wait for new openings, if any, next Fall.
【在 a**********d 的大作中提到】
: 你英语写得挺好的。
: 我上学的时候系里请过一个日本人来面试，那个日本人口音不重，语法错误不多，大家
: 都能明白他在说什么，但是面试之后还是有教授说 He is not articulate enough to
: teach our undergraduates。我们是社科专业，这个日本人的表述的确偏于简单直白，
: 比较subtle的地方要讲半天才能说清楚，跟雄辩幽默、舌绽莲花、妙语如珠等等境界差
: 得太远了。
: 不过最后没给他offer不是因为这点，而是他研究不够独立，job talk讲的东西是基于
: 跟他导师合作的一篇文章，他导师是一作，他自己的论文弱很多。
: 是不是articulate这个问题短时间内没办法解决，你别想太多。如果真有什么可以改进
: 的，我觉得你可以讲慢一点，回答问题也慢一点，多想想，字句上稍微斟酌一下，讲得
|
i******u
发帖数: 83 | 22 我有跟你类似的经历，昨天收到据信，心情一塌糊涂！
悲剧原因很多，我总结的我自己的恐怕是死于自己过于自信，讲话时下了些“猛药”，
得罪了一些派别。
经验：再大的尾巴，都要夹起来！ 何况你尾巴就真的那么大吗？ |
X*****r
发帖数: 2521 | 23 讲讲detail？
后来人借鉴一下
patpat
【在 i******u 的大作中提到】
: 我有跟你类似的经历，昨天收到据信，心情一塌糊涂！
: 悲剧原因很多，我总结的我自己的恐怕是死于自己过于自信，讲话时下了些“猛药”，
: 得罪了一些派别。
: 经验：再大的尾巴，都要夹起来！ 何况你尾巴就真的那么大吗？
|
a**********d
发帖数: 2293 | 24 这个总结，呃呃，还是很自信。
【在 i******u 的大作中提到】
: 我有跟你类似的经历，昨天收到据信，心情一塌糊涂！
: 悲剧原因很多，我总结的我自己的恐怕是死于自己过于自信，讲话时下了些“猛药”，
: 得罪了一些派别。
: 经验：再大的尾巴，都要夹起来！ 何况你尾巴就真的那么大吗？
|
i******u
发帖数: 83 | 25 以上评论是针对我自己说的，并非针对LZ。
我直接说，我可在领域1跟ABC合作，在领域2跟DEF合作，在领域3跟XYZ合作。
回头想来，这是个很大的系，内部一定盘根错节；这么做，不是画地为牢，作茧自缚吗？
反正，原以为ABCEDFXYZ可能因此支持自己，但聪明反被聪明误！
该死！ |
X*****r
发帖数: 2521 | 26 这个。。没什么吧
很正常啊
吗？
【在 i******u 的大作中提到】
: 以上评论是针对我自己说的，并非针对LZ。
: 我直接说，我可在领域1跟ABC合作，在领域2跟DEF合作，在领域3跟XYZ合作。
: 回头想来，这是个很大的系，内部一定盘根错节；这么做，不是画地为牢，作茧自缚吗？
: 反正，原以为ABCEDFXYZ可能因此支持自己，但聪明反被聪明误！
: 该死！
|
e*****y
发帖数: 25 | 27 I did and said exactly the same things as you in terms of potential
collaborations within the department during the interview in the hope of
maximizing outreach and support. But I still don't understand, how could
have this been a cause for rejection? Don't they look for someone to bring
in collaboration opportunities?
吗？
【在 i******u 的大作中提到】
: 以上评论是针对我自己说的，并非针对LZ。
: 我直接说，我可在领域1跟ABC合作，在领域2跟DEF合作，在领域3跟XYZ合作。
: 回头想来，这是个很大的系，内部一定盘根错节；这么做，不是画地为牢，作茧自缚吗？
: 反正，原以为ABCEDFXYZ可能因此支持自己，但聪明反被聪明误！
: 该死！
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x****n
发帖数: 1454 | 28 那你也被锯了?!
看来这个策略不行.
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: I did and said exactly the same things as you in terms of potential
: collaborations within the department during the interview in the hope of
: maximizing outreach and support. But I still don't understand, how could
: have this been a cause for rejection? Don't they look for someone to bring
: in collaboration opportunities?
:
: 吗？
|
e*****y
发帖数: 25 | 29 The offer was given to another candidate.
【在 x****n 的大作中提到】
: 那你也被锯了?!
: 看来这个策略不行.
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x****n
发帖数: 1454 | 30 你有没有要feedback? 怎么知道是上面提到的原因?
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: The offer was given to another candidate.
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d***a
发帖数: 13752 | 31 也许不是这个原因。
【在 e*****y 的大作中提到】
: I did and said exactly the same things as you in terms of potential
: collaborations within the department during the interview in the hope of
: maximizing outreach and support. But I still don't understand, how could
: have this been a cause for rejection? Don't they look for someone to bring
: in collaboration opportunities?
:
: 吗？
|
e*****y
发帖数: 25 | 32 I am not sure about the actual reason(s), other than that some of the Department members were not impressed by my articulation/pronunciation during speaking. |
