y***a
发帖数: 733 | 1 我的导师，EE工程院院士，在州立学校当教授，年薪居然有22万，要是加上暑假三个月
的，得30万了。他每年暑假都会去出去一个月渡假，平时也没见加班什么的，不要太美
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s******z
发帖数: 460 | 2 什么方向？
大部分也就12～15万。
【在 y***a 的大作中提到】
: 我的导师，EE工程院院士，在州立学校当教授，年薪居然有22万，要是加上暑假三个月
: 的，得30万了。他每年暑假都会去出去一个月渡假，平时也没见加班什么的，不要太美
: 。
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y***a
发帖数: 733 | 3 power,我也比较诧异。我们这行的博士收入比EE其它方向的都低不少。
【在 s******z 的大作中提到】
: 什么方向？
: 大部分也就12～15万。
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v***t
发帖数: 27100 | 4 物理科学院院士，同时两个学校教授，一个公立一个私立，
公立去年给工资34万，网上都能查到
【在 y***a 的大作中提到】
: 我的导师，EE工程院院士，在州立学校当教授，年薪居然有22万，要是加上暑假三个月
: 的，得30万了。他每年暑假都会去出去一个月渡假，平时也没见加班什么的，不要太美
: 。
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s********a
发帖数: 2796 | 5 俺导师不是院士,也是一个州立学校里面当教授,年薪也有20多万
每天跑步3 mile，和女儿散步1 mile，每个周末打一次网球
从来不加班。
每次开组会基本就是玩手机。 |
d*******n
发帖数: 1339 | 6 hehe, that is not a lot
【在 y***a 的大作中提到】
: 我的导师，EE工程院院士，在州立学校当教授，年薪居然有22万，要是加上暑假三个月
: 的，得30万了。他每年暑假都会去出去一个月渡假，平时也没见加班什么的，不要太美
: 。
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m********n
发帖数: 143 | |
X*****r
发帖数: 2521 | 8 他要在工业界，院士这级别，没准都50万了
【在 y***a 的大作中提到】
: 我的导师，EE工程院院士，在州立学校当教授，年薪居然有22万，要是加上暑假三个月
: 的，得30万了。他每年暑假都会去出去一个月渡假，平时也没见加班什么的，不要太美
: 。
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X*****r
发帖数: 2521 | 9 有行政职务吗
【在 s********a 的大作中提到】
: 俺导师不是院士,也是一个州立学校里面当教授,年薪也有20多万
: 每天跑步3 mile，和女儿散步1 mile，每个周末打一次网球
: 从来不加班。
: 每次开组会基本就是玩手机。
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e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 10 他要50万干啥
【在 X*****r 的大作中提到】
: 他要在工业界，院士这级别，没准都50万了
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t*****2
发帖数: 19 | 11 actually he maybe fired/cut in industry. Bell Labs and IBM Watson cut many
Fellows who have high pay but really cannot do anything.
I find out that some/most university professors really are not capable of
doing anything meaningful, all they can do is teaching, and they are
teaching Engineering school students to be an "engineer", while they never
have any industry experiences and have no knowledge/idea of what an engineer
is about. True and sad.
【在 e****g 的大作中提到】
: 他要50万干啥
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t*****2
发帖数: 19 | 12 I mean university might be a good place for them to "hide", while if in
industry, they may not be capable or they are too old (also with a high
salary) and thus will be cut since they present no value to their employers.
University is a good place for them to "hide" while still receiving a high
pay. Sad but true.
engineer
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: actually he maybe fired/cut in industry. Bell Labs and IBM Watson cut many
: Fellows who have high pay but really cannot do anything.
: I find out that some/most university professors really are not capable of
: doing anything meaningful, all they can do is teaching, and they are
: teaching Engineering school students to be an "engineer", while they never
: have any industry experiences and have no knowledge/idea of what an engineer
: is about. True and sad.
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H******n
发帖数: 4072 | 13 Do you know what you are talking about? That might be true for one
particular discipline or company, but please don't generalize. And think
before you speak.
engineer
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: actually he maybe fired/cut in industry. Bell Labs and IBM Watson cut many
: Fellows who have high pay but really cannot do anything.
: I find out that some/most university professors really are not capable of
: doing anything meaningful, all they can do is teaching, and they are
: teaching Engineering school students to be an "engineer", while they never
: have any industry experiences and have no knowledge/idea of what an engineer
: is about. True and sad.
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m********n
发帖数: 143 | 14 they are not necessarily highly paid. You need to look at the average
across his employment, and the percentage of people who get paid at
that level.
On average, it is lower in univ. although, their jobs last longer.
employers.
high
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: I mean university might be a good place for them to "hide", while if in
: industry, they may not be capable or they are too old (also with a high
: salary) and thus will be cut since they present no value to their employers.
: University is a good place for them to "hide" while still receiving a high
: pay. Sad but true.
:
: engineer
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t*****2
发帖数: 19 | 15 Thanks for the advice, I am not generalizing. I said, some, and I still most
, and mainly in the Engineering field. After working in industry for more
than 12 years and recently switched to academic, I am shocked to realize
that "some/most" engineering professors really are not 1) capable to work in
industry; 2) capable to educate future engineers, again sad but true. all
they can do is "teach" and what they teach in the class is too out-dated
stuff.
【在 H******n 的大作中提到】
: Do you know what you are talking about? That might be true for one
: particular discipline or company, but please don't generalize. And think
: before you speak.
:
: engineer
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c*******5
发帖数: 263 | 16 Where did you get your knowledge 12 years ago when you started your first
job?
most
in
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the advice, I am not generalizing. I said, some, and I still most
: , and mainly in the Engineering field. After working in industry for more
: than 12 years and recently switched to academic, I am shocked to realize
: that "some/most" engineering professors really are not 1) capable to work in
: industry; 2) capable to educate future engineers, again sad but true. all
: they can do is "teach" and what they teach in the class is too out-dated
: stuff.
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e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 17 你这就是搞笑了，
12年的经验看来让你真的变得狭隘了
这里有industry experience又不只有你一个
我以前也觉得教授们的东西狗屁不是，
还不如我自己实施大项目懂得多
我做项目比他们更好，能忽悠钱也能忽悠客户，
不过这种东西只能用于职业培训，
教授继续干这个就成了公司里的小manager了
most
in
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the advice, I am not generalizing. I said, some, and I still most
: , and mainly in the Engineering field. After working in industry for more
: than 12 years and recently switched to academic, I am shocked to realize
: that "some/most" engineering professors really are not 1) capable to work in
: industry; 2) capable to educate future engineers, again sad but true. all
: they can do is "teach" and what they teach in the class is too out-dated
: stuff.
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H******n
发帖数: 4072 | 18 俺PHD后在行业内头号或者说二号公司干过快5年，然后在学校又干了5-6年，俺也有PE执照。想来俺还是有点发言权的。俺刚到学校是多少也有你这种想法，不过很快明白学校讲究的是前沿的研究，是高风险高收益。也许干的100个项目99个都失败了或者soso，但那成功的1个就会改变社会。说那干了99个项目的人都是傻瓜的逻辑，就好比吃了10个包子才觉得饱的人觉得前面9个都白吃了一样。
学校里干的和工业界是不一样的活，你那逻辑好比让建筑设计师去干砌砖头的泥瓦工的活，然后得出结论：这所谓建筑界的牛人都啥么玩意，到我个包工头手上顶多一天就让他走人。
most
in
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the advice, I am not generalizing. I said, some, and I still most
: , and mainly in the Engineering field. After working in industry for more
: than 12 years and recently switched to academic, I am shocked to realize
: that "some/most" engineering professors really are not 1) capable to work in
: industry; 2) capable to educate future engineers, again sad but true. all
: they can do is "teach" and what they teach in the class is too out-dated
: stuff.
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w*******r
发帖数: 2792 | |
t*****2
发帖数: 19 | 20 you really think an engineer is just a 干砌砖头的泥瓦工,and professor is
doing sth that can 改变社会?
You really believe that 也许干的100个项目99个都失败了或者soso，但那成功的1个
就会改变社会?
I do not.
At least, in Engineering field, industry research is way leading university
research, most of the major contributions/inventions come from industry, not
university. An soso engineer at least makes a product that can be used.
Actually the point is my original post is that knowledge of many profs is
very out-dated, and what they teach i
【在 H******n 的大作中提到】
: 俺PHD后在行业内头号或者说二号公司干过快5年，然后在学校又干了5-6年，俺也有PE执照。想来俺还是有点发言权的。俺刚到学校是多少也有你这种想法，不过很快明白学校讲究的是前沿的研究，是高风险高收益。也许干的100个项目99个都失败了或者soso，但那成功的1个就会改变社会。说那干了99个项目的人都是傻瓜的逻辑，就好比吃了10个包子才觉得饱的人觉得前面9个都白吃了一样。
: 学校里干的和工业界是不一样的活，你那逻辑好比让建筑设计师去干砌砖头的泥瓦工的活，然后得出结论：这所谓建筑界的牛人都啥么玩意，到我个包工头手上顶多一天就让他走人。
:
: most
: in
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e****g
发帖数: 4434 | 21 我说工业界马上需要的就是职业培训
根本不需要你说的那些玩意
什么leading 这个 leading那个的，contribution的，
经济不好的时候，砍研发部门的多的是,不挣钱的全砍，
莫非我们说这些工业界的研发屁用没有??
university
not
do
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: you really think an engineer is just a 干砌砖头的泥瓦工,and professor is
: doing sth that can 改变社会?
: You really believe that 也许干的100个项目99个都失败了或者soso，但那成功的1个
: 就会改变社会?
: I do not.
: At least, in Engineering field, industry research is way leading university
: research, most of the major contributions/inventions come from industry, not
: university. An soso engineer at least makes a product that can be used.
: Actually the point is my original post is that knowledge of many profs is
: very out-dated, and what they teach i
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l*******7
发帖数: 431 | 22 虽然我同意你说的大部分，但是对你这个逻辑是有点不赞同，为什么工业界的就是好的
，就一定是社会需要的？很多工业界的决策层其实也是拍拍脑袋的事情。
学术界的本意就是百家争鸣，百花齐放，那些成名的老教授只要擅长一项技能就能 sit
on it and survive, 但是工业界却很功利，只要这个技术不是企业最需要的，不能给
企业带来利益就能让他们走人。可是对整个社会来说，也许，sooner or later, 还是
需要这个技能的，是不？
university
not
do
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: you really think an engineer is just a 干砌砖头的泥瓦工,and professor is
: doing sth that can 改变社会?
: You really believe that 也许干的100个项目99个都失败了或者soso，但那成功的1个
: 就会改变社会?
: I do not.
: At least, in Engineering field, industry research is way leading university
: research, most of the major contributions/inventions come from industry, not
: university. An soso engineer at least makes a product that can be used.
: Actually the point is my original post is that knowledge of many profs is
: very out-dated, and what they teach i
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d*e
发帖数: 843 | 23 一直不了解，这种两边挂职的，按说不能两边拿全职工资的吧？？
【在 v***t 的大作中提到】
: 物理科学院院士，同时两个学校教授，一个公立一个私立，
: 公立去年给工资34万，网上都能查到
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 24 可能人家part time的工钱就是34w，呵呵
【在 d*e 的大作中提到】
: 一直不了解，这种两边挂职的，按说不能两边拿全职工资的吧？？
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H******n
发帖数: 4072 | 25 俺用通俗易懂的说法给你点播点播，你却来和俺咬文嚼字？你也是进了faculty队伍，请善于领会俺说的中心思想。
俺的部门一直是公司的研发总部支撑的，所以工业界的研发俺还是知道一点的。工业界的研发是3年甚至1年就要见效果，有收益，带来revenue，不然有人就要卷铺盖了。这个和学术界的研究是有很大不同。你写NSF的PROPOSAL不是有BROADER IMPACT吗，这个你可以说是忽悠，也可以说是一个长期的VISION。工业界的研发和学校的研究是不一样的，可以说是互补的。
你还是先做几年，积累一些，看是不是还是持相同观念。还有，每个人的领域都不一样，请勿generalize。要证明你的结论成立，你不能举一例然后推广到所有工程领域。要知道证伪很容易，举一个反例就可以。
university
not
do
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: you really think an engineer is just a 干砌砖头的泥瓦工,and professor is
: doing sth that can 改变社会?
: You really believe that 也许干的100个项目99个都失败了或者soso，但那成功的1个
: 就会改变社会?
: I do not.
: At least, in Engineering field, industry research is way leading university
: research, most of the major contributions/inventions come from industry, not
: university. An soso engineer at least makes a product that can be used.
: Actually the point is my original post is that knowledge of many profs is
: very out-dated, and what they teach i
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a*****t
发帖数: 332 | 26 22万。。。。跟硅谷工作10年的IT工人差不多。 医学院搞临床的assistant professor
基本都比这个高。
【在 y***a 的大作中提到】
: 我的导师，EE工程院院士，在州立学校当教授，年薪居然有22万，要是加上暑假三个月
: 的，得30万了。他每年暑假都会去出去一个月渡假，平时也没见加班什么的，不要太美
: 。
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b*****t
发帖数: 7331 | 27 你说的这个医学院搞临床的是MD吧？
professor
个月
太美
【在 a*****t 的大作中提到】
: 22万。。。。跟硅谷工作10年的IT工人差不多。 医学院搞临床的assistant professor
: 基本都比这个高。
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c****e
发帖数: 2097 | 28 community college is much better, there they teach how to fix cars and stuff
, first hand, never outdated.
never had any contact with engineering, what's a enginear prof. supposed to
teach anyway?
i thought engineering school is just another name for applied sciences, not
a vocational school.
as for an impact on society, physicists who invented maser(laser), transistor and loads of other stuff, say nuclear plant, often never worked in industry.
it's not clear what kind of impact in society you'r
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: Thanks for the advice, I am not generalizing. I said, some, and I still most
: , and mainly in the Engineering field. After working in industry for more
: than 12 years and recently switched to academic, I am shocked to realize
: that "some/most" engineering professors really are not 1) capable to work in
: industry; 2) capable to educate future engineers, again sad but true. all
: they can do is "teach" and what they teach in the class is too out-dated
: stuff.
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L******e
发帖数: 48 | 29 Dr. Vittal?
【在 y***a 的大作中提到】
: 我的导师，EE工程院院士，在州立学校当教授，年薪居然有22万，要是加上暑假三个月
: 的，得30万了。他每年暑假都会去出去一个月渡假，平时也没见加班什么的，不要太美
: 。
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j******w
发帖数: 690 | 30 俺倒是认识一个IBM watson的。
混了三十多年了，
出了吹牛b啥都不干。
engineer
【在 t*****2 的大作中提到】
: actually he maybe fired/cut in industry. Bell Labs and IBM Watson cut many
: Fellows who have high pay but really cannot do anything.
: I find out that some/most university professors really are not capable of
: doing anything meaningful, all they can do is teaching, and they are
: teaching Engineering school students to be an "engineer", while they never
: have any industry experiences and have no knowledge/idea of what an engineer
: is about. True and sad.
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