b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 1 这个大的bill,harry reid一定会要求走常规途径,就是所有的amendment都要60票通过. |
n********r 发帖数: 4558 | 2 某个amendment不过的话,会影响bill的通过吗?
过.
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 这个大的bill,harry reid一定会要求走常规途径,就是所有的amendment都要60票通过.
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m***k 发帖数: 946 | 3 很可惜你猜错了:
The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay
rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate
floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable.
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates
that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing
gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards
过.
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 这个大的bill,harry reid一定会要求走常规途径,就是所有的amendment都要60票通过.
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m***k 发帖数: 946 | 4 amendment如果没有加到法案里,那就没有影响。如果加了进去,就成为了法案的一部
分。
有无数的法案就是因为加amendment最后挂掉的。
【在 n********r 的大作中提到】 : 某个amendment不过的话,会影响bill的通过吗? : : 过.
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 5 最终通过,仍然先要60票破filibuster.修正案一般分两种,一种是show vote(比如同性
恋这条),这个不过,就不加到最后的bill里没事情.另一种是重要的修正案比如这次枪控
的Manchin-Toomey,如果这个不过,那整个bill就dead了.
【在 n********r 的大作中提到】 : 某个amendment不过的话,会影响bill的通过吗? : : 过.
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 6 这说的是通过judicial committee.这个只是简单的多数,就能过.但是harry reid是可
以把这条去掉的.仔细研究一下控抢里面的禁半自动步枪.health care里面的public
option.
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】 : 很可惜你猜错了: : The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay : rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate : floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable. : Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates : that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing : gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards : : 过.
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n********r 发帖数: 4558 | 7 看了一下,好像是在Judiciary Committee里面只要简单多数就能够通过成为bill
的amendment。
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】 : 很可惜你猜错了: : The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay : rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate : floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable. : Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates : that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing : gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards : : 过.
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 8 committee的markup还是要作为amendment到floor去投票的。senator在floor也可以在
amendment上再加amendment.
advocates
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】 : 很可惜你猜错了: : The measure is likely to pass because Democrats face pressure from gay : rights advocates to deal with it in committee, rather than on the Senate : floor, where the odds of passage are far less favorable. : Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) has told advocates : that he will offer an amendment during the bill markup next week allowing : gay Americans to sponsor their foreign-born partners for green cards : : 过.
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m***k 发帖数: 946 | 9 谁说的同性恋条款是“show vote”而不是“重要的修正案”?
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 最终通过,仍然先要60票破filibuster.修正案一般分两种,一种是show vote(比如同性 : 恋这条),这个不过,就不加到最后的bill里没事情.另一种是重要的修正案比如这次枪控 : 的Manchin-Toomey,如果这个不过,那整个bill就dead了.
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 10 common sense.
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】 : 谁说的同性恋条款是“show vote”而不是“重要的修正案”?
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m***k 发帖数: 946 | 11 把希望寄托在harry reid身上是非常渺茫的。他是资深老liberal,同性恋铁杆支持者。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 这说的是通过judicial committee.这个只是简单的多数,就能过.但是harry reid是可 : 以把这条去掉的.仔细研究一下控抢里面的禁半自动步枪.health care里面的public : option. : : advocates
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 12 harry reid作为一个从nevada这个battle state出来参议员被你划成了老liberal,估计
要老泪纵横了.
者。
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】 : 把希望寄托在harry reid身上是非常渺茫的。他是资深老liberal,同性恋铁杆支持者。
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 13 amendment先投票,不过,就不加到最后的bill里,过了就加进去。
所有的amendment都处理了,三读,然后整个bill再投票。
比如gun control bill,在background check上作了妥协的amendment先挂掉了,那就
是说原来的bill更没希望通过,所以最后整个bill就搁置了。同时挂掉还有很多更激进
的amendment,但是那些都是表明立场的,不通过对最后的bill也没有影响。
同性恋条款,首先八人帮里的GOP都不支持,所以就算dem加进去,到floor上能拿到60
票的可能极小。如果加进去,还有一个是不是要极力push的问题,push的太多,可能把
整个bill都拖进去,dem要算计后果如何。
【在 n********r 的大作中提到】 : 某个amendment不过的话,会影响bill的通过吗? : : 过.
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v***g 发帖数: 126 | 14 reid还为他几年前在immigration上的立场到过谦,谈什么老libral,
当然,你又可以高兴的宣布reid实际上真心反移民,blablabla....
者。
【在 m***k 的大作中提到】 : 把希望寄托在harry reid身上是非常渺茫的。他是资深老liberal,同性恋铁杆支持者。
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n********r 发帖数: 4558 | 15
这部分投票是Judiciary Committee内部投的?
60
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】 : amendment先投票,不过,就不加到最后的bill里,过了就加进去。 : 所有的amendment都处理了,三读,然后整个bill再投票。 : 比如gun control bill,在background check上作了妥协的amendment先挂掉了,那就 : 是说原来的bill更没希望通过,所以最后整个bill就搁置了。同时挂掉还有很多更激进 : 的amendment,但是那些都是表明立场的,不通过对最后的bill也没有影响。 : 同性恋条款,首先八人帮里的GOP都不支持,所以就算dem加进去,到floor上能拿到60 : 票的可能极小。如果加进去,还有一个是不是要极力push的问题,push的太多,可能把 : 整个bill都拖进去,dem要算计后果如何。
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m***k 发帖数: 946 | 16 reid已经表示铁杆支持同性恋了。你看我昨天的帖子。
【在 v***g 的大作中提到】 : reid还为他几年前在immigration上的立场到过谦,谈什么老libral, : 当然,你又可以高兴的宣布reid实际上真心反移民,blablabla.... : : 者。
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m***k 发帖数: 946 | 17 赞common sense!
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : common sense.
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 18 Once a bill or resolution is before the Senate, it is subject to the
amendatory process, both by the committee reporting it and by individual
Senators offering amendments from the floor. A committee amendment reported
as a total substitute (striking all after the enacting clause and inserting
new language for the entire bill) for the pending measure is always voted on
last, inasmuch as once a total substitute is agreed to, further amendments
are precluded. With this exception, however, committee amendments take
priority and are considered in order as they appear in the printed copy of
the measure before the Senate. The only amendments from the floor in order
during the consideration of these committee amendments are amendments to the
committee amendments or sometimes to the part of the bill the committee
amendments would affect.
Once the committee amendments have been disposed of, however, any Senator
may propose amendments to any part of the bill not already amended, and
while an amendment is pending, an amendment to the amendment is in order. By
precedent, an amendment to an amendment to an amendment, being an amendment
in the third degree, is not in order. However, the first amendment in the
nature of a substitute for a bill, whether reported by a committee or
offered by an individual Senator, is considered an original question and is
amendable in two more degrees.
【在 n********r 的大作中提到】 : : 这部分投票是Judiciary Committee内部投的? : 60
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 19 多谢科普.这段读起来倒是挺费劲的.
reported
inserting
on
amendments
the
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】 : Once a bill or resolution is before the Senate, it is subject to the : amendatory process, both by the committee reporting it and by individual : Senators offering amendments from the floor. A committee amendment reported : as a total substitute (striking all after the enacting clause and inserting : new language for the entire bill) for the pending measure is always voted on : last, inasmuch as once a total substitute is agreed to, further amendments : are precluded. With this exception, however, committee amendments take : priority and are considered in order as they appear in the printed copy of : the measure before the Senate. The only amendments from the floor in order : during the consideration of these committee amendments are amendments to the
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 20 floor先投committee amendment,或者其衍生amendment;然后senator可以在floor上加
amendment,再对这些floor amendment及其衍生amendment投票。amendment in the
nature of substitute最后投票。(如果有amendment in the nature of substitute
,所有的amendment都是针对这个substitute的,而不在是针对初始bill的。)
所以我不太明白为啥LGBT的支持者认为在comittee搞amendment成功的可能性比较大,
因为所有的amendment还是要到floor投票的。而LGBT条款过floor的机会很小。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 多谢科普.这段读起来倒是挺费劲的. : : reported : inserting : on : amendments : the
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 21 LGBT条款过floor的机会是0.
substitute
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】 : floor先投committee amendment,或者其衍生amendment;然后senator可以在floor上加 : amendment,再对这些floor amendment及其衍生amendment投票。amendment in the : nature of substitute最后投票。(如果有amendment in the nature of substitute : ,所有的amendment都是针对这个substitute的,而不在是针对初始bill的。) : 所以我不太明白为啥LGBT的支持者认为在comittee搞amendment成功的可能性比较大, : 因为所有的amendment还是要到floor投票的。而LGBT条款过floor的机会很小。
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m**x 发帖数: 8454 | 22 你读懂了阿,这天书里和本案相关的主旨是什么?
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 多谢科普.这段读起来倒是挺费劲的. : : reported : inserting : on : amendments : the
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 23 LGBT条款过floor的唯一机会大概是committee如果做amendment in the nature of a
substitute的话这条能加进去,也就是说把这条和整个bill绑在一起。但是这样做的
dem就要承担整个bill不过的后果。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : LGBT条款过floor的机会是0. : : substitute
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 24 那整个bill就完蛋了.
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】 : LGBT条款过floor的唯一机会大概是committee如果做amendment in the nature of a : substitute的话这条能加进去,也就是说把这条和整个bill绑在一起。但是这样做的 : dem就要承担整个bill不过的后果。
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 25 就算是amendment in the nature of a substitute. Harry reid也可以把它去掉.
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】 : LGBT条款过floor的唯一机会大概是committee如果做amendment in the nature of a : substitute的话这条能加进去,也就是说把这条和整个bill绑在一起。但是这样做的 : dem就要承担整个bill不过的后果。
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a****a 发帖数: 3905 | 26 现在双方就是放话和数人头还有搞幕后交易么。
LGBT lobbyst说没事,gop不敢反对整个bill;rubio说加进去bill就完蛋了。
Leachy说我加进去了,回头10个dem comittee member里找一个反对,最后也出不了
comittee,就等于show了一把而已。
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】 : 那整个bill就完蛋了.
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