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H******i
发帖数: 4704
1
The H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 Visa bills failed to be taken up on the Senate
floor yesterday. The Senate floor does not have any schedule for vote today.
The Senate has a vote schedule tomorrow for Cloture Motions relating to
consent to federal official appointments but thus far H.R. 3012 or Irish E-3
visa bill are not included in the tomorrow's Senate floor schedule. The
schedules can change and we will report it, should there be any changes with
the Senate floor calendars. Irish news media reports that two ultra-
conservative Republican Senators Vitter of Louisiana and Sessions of Alabama
expressed that they would object to these bills. Some supporters of the
stand-alone H.R. 3012 wish that the stand alone bill will pass alone, but it
ignores the dynamics and different interests involved between H.R. 3012 and
Irish E-3 visa supporters. It may be an educated guess that should the
stand-alone H.R. 3012 come up on the floor without E-3 visa bill, the
supporters of the Irish E-3 visa proposal are likely to vote against the H.R
. 3012 because it will practically mean that their chance in the form of Sen
. Schumer bill or Sen. Brown will collapse. Time will also work against the
bills. For the reasons, the supporters of H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 visa bill
were anxious to see a break-through in the ongoing negotiation with Sen.
Grassley for compromise.
i***l
发帖数: 9994
2
唉,看来这个bill没戏了。
大家洗洗睡吧。
i***l
发帖数: 9994
3
谢谢老赫的update。
a***x
发帖数: 26368
4
终于玩完了。

today.
-3
with
Alabama
it
and
.R
Sen
the
bill

【在 H******i 的大作中提到】
: The H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 Visa bills failed to be taken up on the Senate
: floor yesterday. The Senate floor does not have any schedule for vote today.
: The Senate has a vote schedule tomorrow for Cloture Motions relating to
: consent to federal official appointments but thus far H.R. 3012 or Irish E-3
: visa bill are not included in the tomorrow's Senate floor schedule. The
: schedules can change and we will report it, should there be any changes with
: the Senate floor calendars. Irish news media reports that two ultra-
: conservative Republican Senators Vitter of Louisiana and Sessions of Alabama
: expressed that they would object to these bills. Some supporters of the
: stand-alone H.R. 3012 wish that the stand alone bill will pass alone, but it

m*****7
发帖数: 90
5
并没有玩完。没人说officially dead。

【在 a***x 的大作中提到】
: 终于玩完了。
:
: today.
: -3
: with
: Alabama
: it
: and
: .R
: Sen

b*********n
发帖数: 2975
6
hoho

The H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 Visa bills failed to be taken up on the Senate
floor yesterday. The Senate floor does not have any schedule for vote today.
The Senate has a vote schedule tomorrow for Cloture Motions relating to
consent to federal official appointments but thus far H.R. 3012 or Irish E-3
visa bill are not included in the tomorrow's Senate floor schedule. The
schedules can change and we will report it, should there be any changes with
the Senate floor calendars. Irish news media reports that two ultra-
conservative Republican Senators Vitter of Louisiana and Sessions of Alabama
expressed that they would object to these bills. Some supporters of the
stand-alone H.R. 3012 wish that the stand alone bill will pass alone, but it
ignores the dynamics and different interests involved between H.R. 3012 and
Irish E-3 visa supporters. It may be an educated guess that should the
stand-alone H.R. 3012 come up on the floor without E-3 visa bill, the
supporters of the Irish E-3 visa proposal are likely to vote against the H.R
. 3012 because it will practically mean that their chance in the form of Sen
. Schumer bill or Sen. Brown will collapse. Time will also work against the
bills. For the reasons, the supporters of H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 visa bill
were anxious to see a break-through in the ongoing negotiation with Sen.
Grassley for compromise.

【在 H******i 的大作中提到】
: The H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 Visa bills failed to be taken up on the Senate
: floor yesterday. The Senate floor does not have any schedule for vote today.
: The Senate has a vote schedule tomorrow for Cloture Motions relating to
: consent to federal official appointments but thus far H.R. 3012 or Irish E-3
: visa bill are not included in the tomorrow's Senate floor schedule. The
: schedules can change and we will report it, should there be any changes with
: the Senate floor calendars. Irish news media reports that two ultra-
: conservative Republican Senators Vitter of Louisiana and Sessions of Alabama
: expressed that they would object to these bills. Some supporters of the
: stand-alone H.R. 3012 wish that the stand alone bill will pass alone, but it

u*******r
发帖数: 2855
7
new cop?

【在 m*****7 的大作中提到】
: 并没有玩完。没人说officially dead。
m*****7
发帖数: 90
8
哈哈 本人在3012没过house时就在这混了。确实没有消息说3012 officially dead,只
是现在不利因素很多。不排除之后有出现进展的可能。
我个人更支持格老的per country 15% limit的amendment。但客观地讲,3012并没有官
方地死亡。

【在 u*******r 的大作中提到】
: new cop?
u*******r
发帖数: 2855
9
基本上不看好阿
anyway,希望你早日拿到

【在 m*****7 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈 本人在3012没过house时就在这混了。确实没有消息说3012 officially dead,只
: 是现在不利因素很多。不排除之后有出现进展的可能。
: 我个人更支持格老的per country 15% limit的amendment。但客观地讲,3012并没有官
: 方地死亡。

K******G
发帖数: 723
10
之前不是感觉E-3是个会导致3012 fail的因素么?怎么会现在感觉因为Irish 力量强大
,没有他们还不行一样。
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m******k
发帖数: 447
11
每回有信息出来,只要不是3012/1983已经过的,就会有人连全文都没读完就起哄说“
3012已死”“没戏了”“洗洗睡”。

today.
-3
with
Alabama
it

【在 H******i 的大作中提到】
: The H.R. 3012 and Irish E-3 Visa bills failed to be taken up on the Senate
: floor yesterday. The Senate floor does not have any schedule for vote today.
: The Senate has a vote schedule tomorrow for Cloture Motions relating to
: consent to federal official appointments but thus far H.R. 3012 or Irish E-3
: visa bill are not included in the tomorrow's Senate floor schedule. The
: schedules can change and we will report it, should there be any changes with
: the Senate floor calendars. Irish news media reports that two ultra-
: conservative Republican Senators Vitter of Louisiana and Sessions of Alabama
: expressed that they would object to these bills. Some supporters of the
: stand-alone H.R. 3012 wish that the stand alone bill will pass alone, but it

B*****g
发帖数: 34098
12
这个有什么问题?

【在 m******k 的大作中提到】
: 每回有信息出来,只要不是3012/1983已经过的,就会有人连全文都没读完就起哄说“
: 3012已死”“没戏了”“洗洗睡”。
:
: today.
: -3
: with
: Alabama
: it

K******G
发帖数: 723
13
大家不太自信吧。其实这次真的离成功很近了。但愿是好事多磨

【在 m******k 的大作中提到】
: 每回有信息出来,只要不是3012/1983已经过的,就会有人连全文都没读完就起哄说“
: 3012已死”“没戏了”“洗洗睡”。
:
: today.
: -3
: with
: Alabama
: it

m******k
发帖数: 447
14
这个律师事务所网站的"educated guess"是,3012在程序上仍然可以绕过委员会,但如
果现在就绕过委员会直接投票,支持爱尔兰移民法案的多半会投票反对这个法案,因为
如果单独过关就意味着爱尔兰移民完全没戏了。
这只是一个合理的猜测。其含义是爱尔兰移民支持者在1983彻底死透之前不会推3012直
接投票。
但如果1983已经彻底死掉了,还热衷3012的Rubio等还是有可能单独推3012的,而那时
Brown也未必要做这个我干不成也不让你活的恶人。
Rubio作为拉美裔共和党新星(“共和党的奥巴马”),极有可能被挑中做副总统候选
人,而他急需政绩讨好拉丁裔选民
m******k
发帖数: 447
15
参议院在程序设计上就是要做世界上最深思熟虑的机构(meant to be the world's
most deliberative)。一般的法案在那里要不是脱三层皮才奇怪了。
觉得大家可能是对参院的繁琐程序没有思想准备吧。奥巴马费了整两年的功夫,在两院
都自己人占多数的情况下才勉强通过一个半残的医改法案。这回两院对峙、参院民主党
只占微弱多数的情况下,3012居然走到今天还没死已经是奇迹了

【在 K******G 的大作中提到】
: 大家不太自信吧。其实这次真的离成功很近了。但愿是好事多磨
m*****7
发帖数: 90
16
这是我昨天收到的状态:
The USPS reported that they picked up mail from USCIS containing your new
card on February 15, 2012. You should receive your new card within 7 days.

【在 u*******r 的大作中提到】
: 基本上不看好阿
: anyway,希望你早日拿到

K******G
发帖数: 723
17
谢谢解释,明白很多。

【在 m******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个律师事务所网站的"educated guess"是,3012在程序上仍然可以绕过委员会,但如
: 果现在就绕过委员会直接投票,支持爱尔兰移民法案的多半会投票反对这个法案,因为
: 如果单独过关就意味着爱尔兰移民完全没戏了。
: 这只是一个合理的猜测。其含义是爱尔兰移民支持者在1983彻底死透之前不会推3012直
: 接投票。
: 但如果1983已经彻底死掉了,还热衷3012的Rubio等还是有可能单独推3012的,而那时
: Brown也未必要做这个我干不成也不让你活的恶人。
: Rubio作为拉美裔共和党新星(“共和党的奥巴马”),极有可能被挑中做副总统候选
: 人,而他急需政绩讨好拉丁裔选民

B*****g
发帖数: 34098
18
cong, baozi

【在 m*****7 的大作中提到】
: 这是我昨天收到的状态:
: The USPS reported that they picked up mail from USCIS containing your new
: card on February 15, 2012. You should receive your new card within 7 days.

m*****7
发帖数: 90
19
我不太认同你说的S.1983彻底死掉,然后再推3012. 看民主党全员支持1983的架势,只
要3012被拿上台面,他们就会要求捆绑。我认为3012的前途是跟irish E3绑在一起的。
不管Rubio是什么明星,他也是共和党,而且资历排倒数10名。在议院没有民主党的支持任何法案也不
能通过,所以不论共和党多么想推3012,只要民主党要求捆绑,3012就不能单过。

【在 m******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个律师事务所网站的"educated guess"是,3012在程序上仍然可以绕过委员会,但如
: 果现在就绕过委员会直接投票,支持爱尔兰移民法案的多半会投票反对这个法案,因为
: 如果单独过关就意味着爱尔兰移民完全没戏了。
: 这只是一个合理的猜测。其含义是爱尔兰移民支持者在1983彻底死透之前不会推3012直
: 接投票。
: 但如果1983已经彻底死掉了,还热衷3012的Rubio等还是有可能单独推3012的,而那时
: Brown也未必要做这个我干不成也不让你活的恶人。
: Rubio作为拉美裔共和党新星(“共和党的奥巴马”),极有可能被挑中做副总统候选
: 人,而他急需政绩讨好拉丁裔选民

u*******r
发帖数: 2855
20
baozi

【在 m*****7 的大作中提到】
: 这是我昨天收到的状态:
: The USPS reported that they picked up mail from USCIS containing your new
: card on February 15, 2012. You should receive your new card within 7 days.

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爱尔兰人放了3012,但是别的危险仍然可能出现快报: Rule 14 参院一读H.R.3012(含毛人弟弟精辟注释)
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d*********y
发帖数: 748
21
关键还是Grassley和其同党。Irish现在还只搞定5个共和党参议员,也就是说还有42个
共和党senate持中立观望态度或在Grassley一边。为啥一个共和党自己的bill, 获得
House共和党大佬的支持,却有多达 42个共和党senate不支持,这个是我一直想问的问
题。可能的答案是,共和党内部,对合法移民的政策现在一直没有一个统一的政策,
两级分化严重。为啥会出现这种政策上的混乱,这是因为从小bush以来,共和党再没有
出现一个领袖级的人物,一个可以力挽狂潮,统一党内力量的人物。

【在 m******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个律师事务所网站的"educated guess"是,3012在程序上仍然可以绕过委员会,但如
: 果现在就绕过委员会直接投票,支持爱尔兰移民法案的多半会投票反对这个法案,因为
: 如果单独过关就意味着爱尔兰移民完全没戏了。
: 这只是一个合理的猜测。其含义是爱尔兰移民支持者在1983彻底死透之前不会推3012直
: 接投票。
: 但如果1983已经彻底死掉了,还热衷3012的Rubio等还是有可能单独推3012的,而那时
: Brown也未必要做这个我干不成也不让你活的恶人。
: Rubio作为拉美裔共和党新星(“共和党的奥巴马”),极有可能被挑中做副总统候选
: 人,而他急需政绩讨好拉丁裔选民

K******G
发帖数: 723
22
我还以为共和党多数人支持High Tech, 民主党支持非法移民呢。
m*****7
发帖数: 90
23
要是美国议会出现了能统一党内力量的人,美国就变成了天朝

【在 d*********y 的大作中提到】
: 关键还是Grassley和其同党。Irish现在还只搞定5个共和党参议员,也就是说还有42个
: 共和党senate持中立观望态度或在Grassley一边。为啥一个共和党自己的bill, 获得
: House共和党大佬的支持,却有多达 42个共和党senate不支持,这个是我一直想问的问
: 题。可能的答案是,共和党内部,对合法移民的政策现在一直没有一个统一的政策,
: 两级分化严重。为啥会出现这种政策上的混乱,这是因为从小bush以来,共和党再没有
: 出现一个领袖级的人物,一个可以力挽狂潮,统一党内力量的人物。

g**n
发帖数: 366
24
想太多了吧。

【在 d*********y 的大作中提到】
: 关键还是Grassley和其同党。Irish现在还只搞定5个共和党参议员,也就是说还有42个
: 共和党senate持中立观望态度或在Grassley一边。为啥一个共和党自己的bill, 获得
: House共和党大佬的支持,却有多达 42个共和党senate不支持,这个是我一直想问的问
: 题。可能的答案是,共和党内部,对合法移民的政策现在一直没有一个统一的政策,
: 两级分化严重。为啥会出现这种政策上的混乱,这是因为从小bush以来,共和党再没有
: 出现一个领袖级的人物,一个可以力挽狂潮,统一党内力量的人物。

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