b******i
发帖数: 47 | 1 中国古代的科学，除了中医现在还大行其道以外，还有什么能继续指导普罗大众的呀？
中医是哲学吗？哲学能治病吗？
如何认识中医呢？ |
m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 2 Fengshui
Modern Medicine is based on Jixie Lun.
Any science cannot get away its philosophical origin. |
m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 3 The basic human model of "modern" medicine is as if it is a car.
And the ultimate solution to repair a car is to change its part. "Modern"
medicine try to do the same thing.
While Chinese Medicine aims to transfer the bad part into a good one. It is
more natural in treating living things. Although it is much harder and
sometimes unreliable. |
m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 4 From the origin, Chinese taoism methodology focuses on Living system, while
the Greek Aristotlian methodology focuses on Dead system. Dead system is
easier to begin with, to qualify and to quantify, but the ultimate answer
for dead system lies in understanding living system. Because no system is
really dead. Like the solar system, it fades. And after its vanishment, a
new system might be born. This coincides with every living things and Yi
Jing.
So far Taoism have reached lots of creepy bizzare |
a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 5
Are you sure?
Obviously modern medicine tries to repair the bad part first; it only tries
to replace it when reparation is not possible.
is
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: The basic human model of "modern" medicine is as if it is a car.
: And the ultimate solution to repair a car is to change its part. "Modern"
: medicine try to do the same thing.
: While Chinese Medicine aims to transfer the bad part into a good one. It is
: more natural in treating living things. Although it is much harder and
: sometimes unreliable.
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 6 Obviously modern medicine tries to repair the bad part first
I am pretty sure most modern medicine treatments focus on Killing the bad
things rather than nurturing the good things. This is typical good vs evil
philosophy-if you eliminate the evil, the good will be preserved. However,
this is only one angle. |
b*****h
发帖数: 3386 | 7 我看他是走极端了，把人体想成机械了，只不过是极其精密的高档手表，
拆一个零件换一个非原装的，手表就要散架了。
实际是的白血病的，能有合适骨髓移植，人家就不会吃砒霜中药，
得尿毒症能换肾的，人家也不会去选择吃中药。
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tries
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
:
: Are you sure?
: Obviously modern medicine tries to repair the bad part first; it only tries
: to replace it when reparation is not possible.
: is
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a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 8 Any evidence to back up your such claim?
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: Obviously modern medicine tries to repair the bad part first
: I am pretty sure most modern medicine treatments focus on Killing the bad
: things rather than nurturing the good things. This is typical good vs evil
: philosophy-if you eliminate the evil, the good will be preserved. However,
: this is only one angle.
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h*********9
发帖数: 361 | 9 你要他证据不是要他的命么？不学医不学生物，张嘴就现代医学如何...
【在 a*********7 的大作中提到】
: Any evidence to back up your such claim?
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o******e
发帖数: 1761 | |
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h*********9
发帖数: 361 | 11 实际上我国大部分西医生就是个匠人而已。对疾病机理和药物作用机制的理解远没有一
些学生物的透彻。当然那些搞计算生物或神经网络的人不能算懂生物。
【在 o******e 的大作中提到】
: 问题是学生物的目的和学医方向不同啊。。。
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a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 12 扯远了...
咱不是在讨论证据么.
【在 h*********9 的大作中提到】
: 实际上我国大部分西医生就是个匠人而已。对疾病机理和药物作用机制的理解远没有一
: 些学生物的透彻。当然那些搞计算生物或神经网络的人不能算懂生物。
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 13 Too many. Anti this Anti that. Few drugs are intend to nurture. And that few
includes heroin, sterine. If you have some drug intend to nurture, please
specify.
Just think when you get cold and infection, what western medicine could be
used? Any of them intend to boost your own immune system?
The evil includes many outside reason of the disease, the good refers to
your own healing power.
实际是的白血病的，能有合适骨髓移植，人家就不会吃砒霜中药，
得尿毒症能换肾的，人家也不会去选择吃中药。
Well as I mentioned before, this is the typical methodolog |
a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 14
few
》》这个逻辑强。 药叫Anti什么，就是要Killing the bad things rather than
nurturing the good things
这个想当然也太中医了吧？
咱是不是先搞清楚你这里的bad things， good things是不是指人体的一部分？ 按你
原来候车的比喻， 应该是。
那好， 好多叫Anti什么的药， 是杀菌， 杀病毒， 正是为了repair被这些菌和病毒破
坏的人体。
》》咱再搞清楚， immune system是现代医学提出来的， 做了大量研究， 搞明白这个
immune system都有什么， 有什么作用， 怎么作用， 等等。 这些研究都白做了？ 做
完了人家不知道利用？
：not saying it is completely useless. But I do hold it is an rough and
：inferior approximation of the nature. It requires other people's body to
：deal with it and it is quite une
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: Too many. Anti this Anti that. Few drugs are intend to nurture. And that few
: includes heroin, sterine. If you have some drug intend to nurture, please
: specify.
: Just think when you get cold and infection, what western medicine could be
: used? Any of them intend to boost your own immune system?
: The evil includes many outside reason of the disease, the good refers to
: your own healing power.
: 实际是的白血病的，能有合适骨髓移植，人家就不会吃砒霜中药，
: 得尿毒症能换肾的，人家也不会去选择吃中药。
: Well as I mentioned before, this is the typical methodolog
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 15 是杀菌， 杀病毒， 正是为了repair被这些菌和病毒破
Yeah you admit yourself it can only start from killing the bad things.
Although it does not only kill bad things.
咱再搞清楚， immune system是现代医学提出来的， 做了大量研究， 搞明白这个
immune system都有什么， 有什么作用， 怎么作用， 等等。 这些研究都白做了？ 做
完了人家不知道利用？
First, "one" is English doesn't mean Chinese don't know "一". Secondly,
Chinese Med has their own interpretation of immune system. It is a more
complex theory to say the least.
"做完了人家不知道利用？"
It is just "美好的愿望" |
a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 16
》》如果这些bad things根本就不是人体的一部分， 除掉有什么问题？
》》是， 每次现代医学有了什么新发现， 中医总会跳出来说，这我们几千年前就有了
。 有啥？ 现代医学的新发现可不是光一个新名词。 拿免疫系统来说， 这个
immune system都有什么， 有什么作用， 怎么作用， 等等。
这个中医也有？也能用来治病？
你不知道不代表没有吧？ 疫苗， 抗体， 蛇毒血清等等， 都是例子。
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: 是杀菌， 杀病毒， 正是为了repair被这些菌和病毒破
: Yeah you admit yourself it can only start from killing the bad things.
: Although it does not only kill bad things.
: 咱再搞清楚， immune system是现代医学提出来的， 做了大量研究， 搞明白这个
: immune system都有什么， 有什么作用， 怎么作用， 等等。 这些研究都白做了？ 做
: 完了人家不知道利用？
: First, "one" is English doesn't mean Chinese don't know "一". Secondly,
: Chinese Med has their own interpretation of immune system. It is a more
: complex theory to say the least.
: "做完了人家不知道利用？"
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 17 如果这些bad things根本就不是人体的一部分， 除掉有什么问题？
Yes Chinese Med also have "Fuzheng" "Quxie"
but obviously it sees two sides. And most of the times it focuses on the
former part.
你不知道不代表没有吧？ 疫苗， 抗体， 蛇毒血清等等， 都是例子。
Chinese Med strenthens the immnune system During illness to help reestablish
health. Of course, it has other method during daily life. Though hard to
practice, many Chinese Med doctors far outlived in their time. |
a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 18
是，现代医学和中医双方都有这两方面的“美好愿望”。 不同的是， 现代医学在两方
面都有很多成功的例子， 中医嘛--你一定也会说有， 不过除了中医自己， 没有人承
认就是了。
reestablish
怎么不说一个中医的免疫系统是咋回事？
中医是号称养生来着， 可中国人当了几百年的东亚病夫； 到现代医学发现了免疫系统
， 中医又跳出来说， 我们也有这个。 可是你拿你的“这个”做出了什么？
： Though hard to
前一阵不是有位文怀沙“大师”宣称自己活了一百岁来着？ 还说自己是鲁迅的同门师
弟。
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: 如果这些bad things根本就不是人体的一部分， 除掉有什么问题？
: Yes Chinese Med also have "Fuzheng" "Quxie"
: but obviously it sees two sides. And most of the times it focuses on the
: former part.
: 你不知道不代表没有吧？ 疫苗， 抗体， 蛇毒血清等等， 都是例子。
: Chinese Med strenthens the immnune system During illness to help reestablish
: health. Of course, it has other method during daily life. Though hard to
: practice, many Chinese Med doctors far outlived in their time.
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 19 可中国人当了几百年的东亚病夫； 到现代医学发现了免疫系统
Ironically, this is a disproof of your assumption.
The Qin Solder Idol and many other tombs revealed Chinese used to have 1.85
metres tall on average for mature males. While the Roman Solders were only 1
.70 metres tall.
It can be seen gradually Chinese lost their physical power. One good
explanation is Chinese Med preserved so many ancient Chinese who were
supposed to die before giving birth or giving several births that gradually
Chinese lost evolution in physical |
m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 20 怎么不说一个中医的免疫系统是咋回事？
We said it, but you just ignored.
Yin & Yang, Jingluo Qi Xue, Wuzang |
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a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 21
85
1
gradually
再一次，不得不感叹你的逻辑太强了。
1。 有什么证据说， 秦俑是按1：1的比例做的么？
2。 就算当时人有1.85 米高， 还有一个good explanation是， 中医把中国人都给毒
害了， 退化了。这个解释比你的解释更好， 因为现代医学救的人更多， 人均寿命增
长了， 人均身高也更高了。
这个， 看看中国人对现代科学的贡献， 我不好意思这么说： 虽然我也不觉得中国人
比外国人笨。
而且， 这个跟中医有啥关系么？
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: 可中国人当了几百年的东亚病夫； 到现代医学发现了免疫系统
: Ironically, this is a disproof of your assumption.
: The Qin Solder Idol and many other tombs revealed Chinese used to have 1.85
: metres tall on average for mature males. While the Roman Solders were only 1
: .70 metres tall.
: It can be seen gradually Chinese lost their physical power. One good
: explanation is Chinese Med preserved so many ancient Chinese who were
: supposed to die before giving birth or giving several births that gradually
: Chinese lost evolution in physical
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a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 22 你说了？那就回答一下我问了两次的问题，
“现代医学的新发现可不是光一个新名词。 拿免疫系统来说， 这个
immune system都有什么， 有什么作用， 怎么作用， 等等。
这个中医也有？也能用来治病？”
啥阴阳， 经络， 五脏， 都跟免疫系统有关？
中医都怎么提高人体免疫力让人不得病了？
-- 这个现代医学有很多例子的。
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: 怎么不说一个中医的免疫系统是咋回事？
: We said it, but you just ignored.
: Yin & Yang, Jingluo Qi Xue, Wuzang
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 23 To Kill, To Replace, To Prevent. This three methods are major means of "
modern" medicine by airdragon.
This methodology is a clear reflection of Black or White thinking,
Aristotlian bipolar cut. The critical procedure is to artificially cut
something apart. One as standard good, the other not or One as standard bad,
the other not. Starting from here, they start logic and analysis. Bentrand
Russel has explained a cut and no between is the essence of logic. And
actually it is also the starting po |
a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 24 这个我就不多说了。
歪曲事实， 无知， 自大、、、
大家来对号入座吧。
bad,
Bentrand
be
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: To Kill, To Replace, To Prevent. This three methods are major means of "
: modern" medicine by airdragon.
: This methodology is a clear reflection of Black or White thinking,
: Aristotlian bipolar cut. The critical procedure is to artificially cut
: something apart. One as standard good, the other not or One as standard bad,
: the other not. Starting from here, they start logic and analysis. Bentrand
: Russel has explained a cut and no between is the essence of logic. And
: actually it is also the starting po
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m*****n
发帖数: 3575 | 25 To kill is antibiotics
To replace is organ transplant
To prevent is just the immunize technique. It requires a healthy status to
recognize the virus.
啥阴阳， 经络， 五脏， 都跟免疫系统有关？
中医都怎么提高人体免疫力让人不得病了？
Just go to a Taoist Temple and see for yourself how many are ill.
这个现代医学有很多例子的。
What example? Heart Attack as the No1 killer?
"1。 有什么证据说， 秦俑是按1：1的比例做的么？"
There is also idol in the west just as tall as 1.70
And I mentioned before, tombs. There are many clothes armors in Qin Han era
that are very very long. |
a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 26
现代医学就这些了?
>>1. 道士不生病也算中医的功劳?
>>2. 去看我是去不了了, 能不能提供点数据支持你的"道士比一般人少生病"的论点?
>>利用人体免疫系统防治疫病的例子. 这种例子现代医学有很多, 我让你也给个中医的
例 子, 你却扯到道士去了.
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: To kill is antibiotics
: To replace is organ transplant
: To prevent is just the immunize technique. It requires a healthy status to
: recognize the virus.
: 啥阴阳， 经络， 五脏， 都跟免疫系统有关？
: 中医都怎么提高人体免疫力让人不得病了？
: Just go to a Taoist Temple and see for yourself how many are ill.
: 这个现代医学有很多例子的。
: What example? Heart Attack as the No1 killer?
: "1。 有什么证据说， 秦俑是按1：1的比例做的么？"
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a*********7
发帖数: 30080 | 27
>>>http://zhidao.baidu.com/question/49827285.html
这时有人解释为什么皇帝的卫队士兵比一般人高. 还有人用古代的"尺"跟现代的"尺"的
差别, 判断古代汉人身高在1.6米左右. 我不是说他们一定对, 不过可以给你另外一种
思路.
>>难个出处说明"The average height has already begun to drop among western
countries"?
only
>>>>本来嘛, 这身高就不是光跟医学有关, 是你一开始抛出这个"Chinese Med
preserved so many ancient Chinese who were supposed to die before giving
birth or giving several births that gradually Chinese lost evolution in
physical potent."这个惊世骇俗的论点的.
按你这个论点, 中国人的身高应该接着下降才对呀, 怎么又说"Very soon Chinese are
catc
【在 m*****n 的大作中提到】
: To kill is antibiotics
: To replace is organ transplant
: To prevent is just the immunize technique. It requires a healthy status to
: recognize the virus.
: 啥阴阳， 经络， 五脏， 都跟免疫系统有关？
: 中医都怎么提高人体免疫力让人不得病了？
: Just go to a Taoist Temple and see for yourself how many are ill.
: 这个现代医学有很多例子的。
: What example? Heart Attack as the No1 killer?
: "1。 有什么证据说， 秦俑是按1：1的比例做的么？"
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D********e
发帖数: 665 | 28 这都什么乱七八糟的啊。看晕了都。
为啥中国人现在矮了，因为高个子都战死了。
为啥现代人越来越怕死了，因为不怕死的都在战死了。
LOL。不是辩论啊，一个玩笑。 |
