a****s
发帖数: 524 | 1 双有，序分赛
S 4
H K86
D AQ764
C KT65
1D (1S) DBL (3S)
P P DBL P
?
同伴大概是持什么样的牌？现在怎么办？ | m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 2 我实在不知道.
我叫4c.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: 双有，序分赛
: S 4
: H K86
: D AQ764
: C KT65
: 1D (1S) DBL (3S)
: P P DBL P
: ?
: 同伴大概是持什么样的牌？现在怎么办？
| v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 3 第二个加倍看出同伴大概是有实力的均牌，但S没挡。从牌上看介于五阶低花或满贯之
间，双人赛保守一点，直接5C吧。
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: 双有，序分赛
: S 4
: H K86
: D AQ764
: C KT65
: 1D (1S) DBL (3S)
: P P DBL P
: ?
: 同伴大概是持什么样的牌？现在怎么办？
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 4 4C unless you have special agreement to play this double for business in MP.
Normal agree for this double is takeout.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: 双有，序分赛
: S 4
: H K86
: D AQ764
: C KT65
: 1D (1S) DBL (3S)
: P P DBL P
: ?
: 同伴大概是持什么样的牌？现在怎么办？
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 5 In IMPs you obviously need to bid. In MP I'll risk a pass. Pass would allow
us to collect tops in many different scenarios but only bottom when it makes
.
In our hand, values are quite spread and the ODR value isn't that high
despite the shape.
Pd always can bid his 2nd suit if he's 5-4 or more shapely. So lack of it, I
'd assume he's at most 4-4-3-2.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: 双有，序分赛
: S 4
: H K86
: D AQ764
: C KT65
: 1D (1S) DBL (3S)
: P P DBL P
: ?
: 同伴大概是持什么样的牌？现在怎么办？
| a****s
发帖数: 524 | 6
我的想法：
强度至少接近成局，牌型比较平均（没有出套）。没有五张红心。
无论3NT还是4H都是不健全的定约。
如果你们低花有9张配合并且能打成局，根据总墩数定律，敌方打
黑桃定约的期望值是7墩。所以不叫。
如果草花和红心对换，叫4H。
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: 双有，序分赛
: S 4
: H K86
: D AQ764
: C KT65
: 1D (1S) DBL (3S)
: P P DBL P
: ?
: 同伴大概是持什么样的牌？现在怎么办？
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | | v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 8 不是很同意。不论如何，同伴的加倍必定是考虑到开叫人持小均牌只能放罚的可能性，
因此不太会是邀请实力的均牌；对于逼局实力的均牌，这种进程下也完全可以期望开叫
人有一个不错的配合套，那么在黑桃有挡时3NT是比较好的选择；据此两点同伴只能是
逼局黑桃无挡的均牌或是稍有牌型的邀请牌，无论是哪种情况己方的攻防比都是很高的
，罚放并不合适，如果防守发现敌方有十张配就要哭了。假定同伴是十三四点的均牌，
三个小黑桃，局的前景还是很乐观的，更何况同伴还可能更强。
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
:
: 我的想法：
: 强度至少接近成局，牌型比较平均（没有出套）。没有五张红心。
: 无论3NT还是4H都是不健全的定约。
: 如果你们低花有9张配合并且能打成局，根据总墩数定律，敌方打
: 黑桃定约的期望值是7墩。所以不叫。
: 如果草花和红心对换，叫4H。
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 9 One huge problem of passing is that you may have some very simple 5C/5D/6C/
6D if partner holds a gf hand with some sort of support.
For example:
xx Axxx KJx AQJx, this is an almost cold 6C, if you pass, you only get 500.
Remove DK, you still have a good play in 5D, if you pass, you only get 200.
Remove CA, you can usually make 4C and they may have a good chance to make
3S.
Pass works OK only when partner holds something like 3-4-3-3 or 3-4-2-4 and
even if he holds that shape, you may still have a very good play in 5m or
even 4H because partner is unlikely to hold good spades. IMO, if you have a
reasonable bid over partner's takeout double, you should usually bid it
instead of risking a pass.
Also, against good opps, they know they are vul and still compete to 3S, so
you should give some respect to this decision.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
:
: 我的想法：
: 强度至少接近成局，牌型比较平均（没有出套）。没有五张红心。
: 无论3NT还是4H都是不健全的定约。
: 如果你们低花有9张配合并且能打成局，根据总墩数定律，敌方打
: 黑桃定约的期望值是7墩。所以不叫。
: 如果草花和红心对换，叫4H。
| a****s
发帖数: 524 | 10 In your example, they had bid 1S and 3S, yet only have 13 HCPs combined,
and without a single Ace or King in plain suits.
if that's a scenario comes more often, I can give up bridge.
One huger problem is that partner can usually have a defensive oriented hand
, and I cannot see how this fit in your framework.
seems S QJx H QTxx D xx C AQJx, is a more plausible candidate. so partner
must not double with this hand?
It makes more sense that higher level double tends to show defensive value.
Because with offensive value, at least one can choose to bid a suit, or
raise partner, instead of double.
.
.
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【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: One huge problem of passing is that you may have some very simple 5C/5D/6C/
: 6D if partner holds a gf hand with some sort of support.
: For example:
: xx Axxx KJx AQJx, this is an almost cold 6C, if you pass, you only get 500.
: Remove DK, you still have a good play in 5D, if you pass, you only get 200.
: Remove CA, you can usually make 4C and they may have a good chance to make
: 3S.
: Pass works OK only when partner holds something like 3-4-3-3 or 3-4-2-4 and
: even if he holds that shape, you may still have a very good play in 5m or
: even 4H because partner is unlikely to hold good spades. IMO, if you have a
| v**********e
发帖数: 1295 | 11 你举的这手牌的确很尴尬，毕竟一手Q比A多两个的牌很贬值，比之稍好或稍差的牌都容
易选择叫品。即使如此，加倍在此也不是一个好的选择，至少队式赛得失比一定不值，
双人赛赌一下尚可接受。另外此进程下第二个加倍倾向于进攻型，开叫人很可能有点额
外实力被堵，此时平衡位加倍防止丢局。
hand
.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: In your example, they had bid 1S and 3S, yet only have 13 HCPs combined,
: and without a single Ace or King in plain suits.
: if that's a scenario comes more often, I can give up bridge.
: One huger problem is that partner can usually have a defensive oriented hand
: , and I cannot see how this fit in your framework.
: seems S QJx H QTxx D xx C AQJx, is a more plausible candidate. so partner
: must not double with this hand?
: It makes more sense that higher level double tends to show defensive value.
: Because with offensive value, at least one can choose to bid a suit, or
: raise partner, instead of double.
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 12 You can think of this concept in this direction. If you know your opps like
to pass a high level double, you don't have to bid to a maximum level,
because 3S double can be a great success.
hand
.
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: In your example, they had bid 1S and 3S, yet only have 13 HCPs combined,
: and without a single Ace or King in plain suits.
: if that's a scenario comes more often, I can give up bridge.
: One huger problem is that partner can usually have a defensive oriented hand
: , and I cannot see how this fit in your framework.
: seems S QJx H QTxx D xx C AQJx, is a more plausible candidate. so partner
: must not double with this hand?
: It makes more sense that higher level double tends to show defensive value.
: Because with offensive value, at least one can choose to bid a suit, or
: raise partner, instead of double.
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