b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 1 这是另一个低级双人赛。你完全不了解对手。
１）双无，你是第三家，ＫＱ３／ＡＫＪ８７２／Ｋ７／Ａ４，叫牌过程：
CHO RHO YOU LHO
p 1C x p
2S 3C 3H p
4H 5C ?
两个问题：A)你是否同意先前的叫牌？B)现在怎么叫?
２）有对无，你是第二家，Ｑ３２／ＡＫ２／ＡＪ２／ＡＱ４３，叫牌过程：
CHO RHO YOU LHO
p 2NT p
3C 3D p p
x p ?
3C为正常stayman，A)你是否同意先前的PASS？B)现在怎么叫? | p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 2 pass in both hands.
For the first hand, you should pass then pull partner's possible double to
show a serious slam invitation. This hand offers a great chance in 6H if
partner holds AJxx Qxx xxx xxx, so you gotta try slams here.
For the second hand, pass is the only logical bid after partner's penalty
double.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这是另一个低级双人赛。你完全不了解对手。
: １）双无，你是第三家，ＫＱ３／ＡＫＪ８７２／Ｋ７／Ａ４，叫牌过程：
: CHO RHO YOU LHO
: p 1C x p
: 2S 3C 3H p
: 4H 5C ?
: 两个问题：A)你是否同意先前的叫牌？B)现在怎么叫?
: ２）有对无，你是第二家，Ｑ３２／ＡＫ２／ＡＪ２／ＡＱ４３，叫牌过程：
: CHO RHO YOU LHO
: p 2NT p
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 3 But is partner supposed to bid slam with this hand?
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: pass in both hands.
: For the first hand, you should pass then pull partner's possible double to
: show a serious slam invitation. This hand offers a great chance in 6H if
: partner holds AJxx Qxx xxx xxx, so you gotta try slams here.
: For the second hand, pass is the only logical bid after partner's penalty
: double.
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 4 Yes, with a nice spade suit, trump Q and one KC, partner should bid 6. It's
clear.
If partner's hand is AJxxx xxx Jxx xx, he doesn't have to bid 6.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: But is partner supposed to bid slam with this hand?
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 5 OK, maybe different style. I wouldn't bid 2S with AJxxx xxx Jxx xx. In fact
even with AJxx Qxx xxx xxx, it is only 1S bid to me.
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: Yes, with a nice spade suit, trump Q and one KC, partner should bid 6. It's
: clear.
: If partner's hand is AJxxx xxx Jxx xx, he doesn't have to bid 6.
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 6 The 4H is a minimum bid, so your partner can't hold a very good hand because
with extras, he can bid 4C. I would bid 1S with AJxx Qxx xxx xxx, but
partner can hold one more J or Q somewhere, which would be good enough to
bid 2S. This is just a minimum requirement to have a good play in 6H. Those
jacks or queens are not relevant in the slam decision.
fact
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: OK, maybe different style. I wouldn't bid 2S with AJxxx xxx Jxx xx. In fact
: even with AJxx Qxx xxx xxx, it is only 1S bid to me.
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 7 OK, so given that a 2S bid ought to show useful 8-10 points (and even some
good 1S hand would make slam playable), is there any hand that partner holds
which doesn't give a good play in 6H?
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: The 4H is a minimum bid, so your partner can't hold a very good hand because
: with extras, he can bid 4C. I would bid 1S with AJxx Qxx xxx xxx, but
: partner can hold one more J or Q somewhere, which would be good enough to
: bid 2S. This is just a minimum requirement to have a good play in 6H. Those
: jacks or queens are not relevant in the slam decision.
:
: fact
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 8 先回答1。
同意。
6h。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这是另一个低级双人赛。你完全不了解对手。
: １）双无，你是第三家，ＫＱ３／ＡＫＪ８７２／Ｋ７／Ａ４，叫牌过程：
: CHO RHO YOU LHO
: p 1C x p
: 2S 3C 3H p
: 4H 5C ?
: 两个问题：A)你是否同意先前的叫牌？B)现在怎么叫?
: ２）有对无，你是第二家，Ｑ３２／ＡＫ２／ＡＪ２／ＡＱ４３，叫牌过程：
: CHO RHO YOU LHO
: p 2NT p
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 9 #2.
yes
3nt
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这是另一个低级双人赛。你完全不了解对手。
: １）双无，你是第三家，ＫＱ３／ＡＫＪ８７２／Ｋ７／Ａ４，叫牌过程：
: CHO RHO YOU LHO
: p 1C x p
: 2S 3C 3H p
: 4H 5C ?
: 两个问题：A)你是否同意先前的叫牌？B)现在怎么叫?
: ２）有对无，你是第二家，Ｑ３２／ＡＫ２／ＡＪ２／ＡＱ４３，叫牌过程：
: CHO RHO YOU LHO
: p 2NT p
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 10 第一手牌我会叫6H。
这手牌就是我说的，forcing pass可能是理论上正确的叫品，但是如果同伴的2S假如真
得非常边缘的话，我们现在只不过是再给他一个机会，他也未必会做出正确的叫牌，与
其如此，还不如不冒这个险，直接摆上。 | | | p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 11 There are just many of them
For example: AJxxx xxx Qxx xx, facing a normal club lead and H Q is likely
to be off, you most likely don't want to play 6H (The 5C bidder can easily
hold xx - AJxx KQJTxxx, shoot 5C and hope to be lucky). There are 3 very
important cards for this hand, SA, HQ and (SJ or 5 spades). A bad 2S wouldn'
t offer you all of them and you will be likely down in 6H. Also, if partner
holds all of them, he would accept your slam invitation. If partner's hand
is weaker, he would reject your slam invitation. So bidding 6H directly is
certainly an overbid that you should try to avoid. This is like a RKC action
, if opp didn't bid 5C, you would RKC and sign off if partner just shows one
KC without trump Q. So after opp's 5C, you shouldn't just feel your hand
becomes good enough to bid 6H, especially when your hand is so balanced, it
never pays off very big to bid 6H here when you have an easy forcing pass
auction available.
fact
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: OK, maybe different style. I wouldn't bid 2S with AJxxx xxx Jxx xx. In fact
: even with AJxx Qxx xxx xxx, it is only 1S bid to me.
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 12 Well, refer to my above post. You really need quite a few good cards from
partner to make 6H and partner should know at least his HQ, SA should be
very useful. So there is no need to rush to 6H when you have room to explore
those useful hand types. This is a hand that should be bid with caution
because of your intrinsic weakness in clubs, partner's shown minimum and opp
's aggressiveness that often indicates H shortness. So you are usually not
cold in 6H (of course, you should have a good play if partner holds SAJ and
HQ).
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: 第一手牌我会叫6H。
: 这手牌就是我说的，forcing pass可能是理论上正确的叫品，但是如果同伴的2S假如真
: 得非常边缘的话，我们现在只不过是再给他一个机会，他也未必会做出正确的叫牌，与
: 其如此，还不如不冒这个险，直接摆上。
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 13 我以为， x-2s， 是有extra。 然后3h-4h， 只是同意红桃， 并没有show迷你mum。
explore
opp
and
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: Well, refer to my above post. You really need quite a few good cards from
: partner to make 6H and partner should know at least his HQ, SA should be
: very useful. So there is no need to rush to 6H when you have room to explore
: those useful hand types. This is a hand that should be bid with caution
: because of your intrinsic weakness in clubs, partner's shown minimum and opp
: 's aggressiveness that often indicates H shortness. So you are usually not
: cold in 6H (of course, you should have a good play if partner holds SAJ and
: HQ).
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 14 I understand your points. I think our difference lies in that to me, a
minimum 2S is something like Axxxx xxx Axxx x, hands like AJxxx xxx Qxx xx
does not come close to invitation when pd just showed a double, which does
not guarantee 4S.
explore
opp
and
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: Well, refer to my above post. You really need quite a few good cards from
: partner to make 6H and partner should know at least his HQ, SA should be
: very useful. So there is no need to rush to 6H when you have room to explore
: those useful hand types. This is a hand that should be bid with caution
: because of your intrinsic weakness in clubs, partner's shown minimum and opp
: 's aggressiveness that often indicates H shortness. So you are usually not
: cold in 6H (of course, you should have a good play if partner holds SAJ and
: HQ).
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 15 我想理论上你可能是对的。最坏的情况同伴可能持有AJxxx/Txx/QJx/xx，而红心不像能
飞中的样子。实战中因为跟同伴打得不多默契不够，我想了想边缘的牌至少还都有打法
，不是完全hopeless，所以就直接冒叫了6H.
左手方首攻C9，明手摊牌：
Ａ９７６４ ／ Ｑ６３ ／ Ｑ９４ ／ ＪＴ
再贴一下庄家的牌：
ＫＱ３ ／ ＡＫＪ８７２ ／ Ｋ７ ／ Ａ４
第一墩右手CK你CA赢得，然后怎么打？
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: There are just many of them
: For example: AJxxx xxx Qxx xx, facing a normal club lead and H Q is likely
: to be off, you most likely don't want to play 6H (The 5C bidder can easily
: hold xx - AJxx KQJTxxx, shoot 5C and hope to be lucky). There are 3 very
: important cards for this hand, SA, HQ and (SJ or 5 spades). A bad 2S wouldn'
: t offer you all of them and you will be likely down in 6H. Also, if partner
: holds all of them, he would accept your slam invitation. If partner's hand
: is weaker, he would reject your slam invitation. So bidding 6H directly is
: certainly an overbid that you should try to avoid. This is like a RKC action
: , if opp didn't bid 5C, you would RKC and sign off if partner just shows one
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 16 Well, I think the major difference between 2S and 1 S is not only HCP, but
the suit length and the quality. Double doesn't guarantee 4 spades, so 1S
can be bid with 10 HCPs and a bad 4 card spade suit (for example: Jxxx Kxx
AQJ xxx). 2S should always show good spades, about 8-10 HCPs (can be lower
if you hold 5+ spades). Here, partner denies a good hand, because with a
good hand, he can just bid 4C over 3H. So Axxxx xxx Axxx x is just
impossible (also, I don't mind a 3S with this hand, because it makes many
games forcing 4 spades and minimum). After the 4H sign off, the best you can
expect is SA, HQ. IMO, even with Axxxx xxx Axx xx, responder should bid 4C
to show this slam oriented hand facing a very strong H one suiter.
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: I understand your points. I think our difference lies in that to me, a
: minimum 2S is something like Axxxx xxx Axxx x, hands like AJxxx xxx Qxx xx
: does not come close to invitation when pd just showed a double, which does
: not guarantee 4S.
:
: explore
: opp
: and
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 17 This is quite straightforward.
Just play HA,
If H is 4-0, you have to hope S split well.
If both follow, you can play HJ. If the opener shows out, you just try to
set up S now (here, you hope to find opener holds Sx Hx DAJxx CKQxxxxx or Sx
Hx DAJx CKQxxxxxx).
If the opener holds 3 H, you can't expect him to hold 4 S (this is just
impossible, with DAJTxxxxx, responder has to bid). So you have to clear
trumps and hope to find him holding two to three S or stiff ST, J.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 我想理论上你可能是对的。最坏的情况同伴可能持有AJxxx/Txx/QJx/xx，而红心不像能
: 飞中的样子。实战中因为跟同伴打得不多默契不够，我想了想边缘的牌至少还都有打法
: ，不是完全hopeless，所以就直接冒叫了6H.
: 左手方首攻C9，明手摊牌：
: Ａ９７６４ ／ Ｑ６３ ／ Ｑ９４ ／ ＪＴ
: 再贴一下庄家的牌：
: ＫＱ３ ／ ＡＫＪ８７２ ／ Ｋ７ ／ Ａ４
: 第一墩右手CK你CA赢得，然后怎么打？
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 18 同意红桃有很多种方式，４Ｈ是一种，４Ｃ应该是更强的支持（总不见的是要打梅花吧
？），甚至４Ｄ也可以是隐含支持红心的扣叫。因为有多种方式支持红心，４Ｈ就显示
2S的牌里面较弱的。
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: 我以为， x-2s， 是有extra。 然后3h-4h， 只是同意红桃， 并没有show迷你mum。
:
: explore
: opp
: and
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 19 是的，打法超简单，红心ＡＫ，右手第二张示缺，然后ＳＫＱ，只要右手方黑桃不少于
一张并且不多于三张就可以了。实战右手方有两张黑桃，实际持牌：
Ｊ８／Ｔ／Ａ５２／ＫＱ８６５３２
给我的主要启示：低级比赛里没法相信对手。拿这个牌就敢１Ｃ，３Ｃ再５Ｃ（个人觉
得是一手开叫３Ｃ的牌）。本来我以为牌型肯定特怪，叫６Ｈ的时候还有些惴惴。还有
一点比较困惑的是，全场近二十张桌子，我们是唯一叫到满贯的。。。
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: This is quite straightforward.
: Just play HA,
: If H is 4-0, you have to hope S split well.
: If both follow, you can play HJ. If the opener shows out, you just try to
: set up S now (here, you hope to find opener holds Sx Hx DAJxx CKQxxxxx or Sx
: Hx DAJx CKQxxxxxx).
: If the opener holds 3 H, you can't expect him to hold 4 S (this is just
: impossible, with DAJTxxxxx, responder has to bid). So you have to clear
: trumps and hope to find him holding two to three S or stiff ST, J.
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 20 Suppose he opens a normal 3C, if you decide to bid 4H, it's unclear for
partner to bid more, because you can hold one more H but one K weaker. If
you double 3C and bid 4H over partner's 3S, he should bid more IMO, but many
may not. Also, double is not risk free, facing a 5D jump, you may miss your
best spot at 4H and facing a 4S jump, it's unclear how you proceed to the
best slams and avoid bad slams. So a normal 3C can put most intermediate to
advanced players in a quite awkward position to bid slams.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 是的，打法超简单，红心ＡＫ，右手第二张示缺，然后ＳＫＱ，只要右手方黑桃不少于
: 一张并且不多于三张就可以了。实战右手方有两张黑桃，实际持牌：
: Ｊ８／Ｔ／Ａ５２／ＫＱ８６５３２
: 给我的主要启示：低级比赛里没法相信对手。拿这个牌就敢１Ｃ，３Ｃ再５Ｃ（个人觉
: 得是一手开叫３Ｃ的牌）。本来我以为牌型肯定特怪，叫６Ｈ的时候还有些惴惴。还有
: 一点比较困惑的是，全场近二十张桌子，我们是唯一叫到满贯的。。。
| | | m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 21 ok。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 同意红桃有很多种方式，４Ｈ是一种，４Ｃ应该是更强的支持（总不见的是要打梅花吧
: ？），甚至４Ｄ也可以是隐含支持红心的扣叫。因为有多种方式支持红心，４Ｈ就显示
: 2S的牌里面较弱的。
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 22 Yeah, preemptive bids work. Anything is better than 1C-3C-5C sequence as
happened at our table.
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: Suppose he opens a normal 3C, if you decide to bid 4H, it's unclear for
: partner to bid more, because you can hold one more H but one K weaker. If
: you double 3C and bid 4H over partner's 3S, he should bid more IMO, but many
: may not. Also, double is not risk free, facing a 5D jump, you may miss your
: best spot at 4H and facing a 4S jump, it's unclear how you proceed to the
: best slams and avoid bad slams. So a normal 3C can put most intermediate to
: advanced players in a quite awkward position to bid slams.
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 23 不是特别肯定同伴的是属于惩罚性还是合作性。但是我这个牌太平均，也已知没有高花
配合，是一手适合防守的牌。我的方块还是相当不错的，再好一点前一轮都可以加倍了。
首攻ＨＡ，明手摊牌：
Ａ ／ Ｑ６５４３ ／ ８６４ ／ ＫＪ７２
应该说明手的牌是相当地好。再把我手里的牌贴一下：
Ｑ３２ ／ ＡＫ２ ／ ＡＪ２ ／ ＡＱ４３
同伴出Ｈ８（ｕｄｃａ），庄家Ｈ９。你如何继续？
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: Suppose he opens a normal 3C, if you decide to bid 4H, it's unclear for
: partner to bid more, because you can hold one more H but one K weaker. If
: you double 3C and bid 4H over partner's 3S, he should bid more IMO, but many
: may not. Also, double is not risk free, facing a 5D jump, you may miss your
: best spot at 4H and facing a 4S jump, it's unclear how you proceed to the
: best slams and avoid bad slams. So a normal 3C can put most intermediate to
: advanced players in a quite awkward position to bid slams.
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 24 It looks like 4-2-2-5 shape from partner. So it's natural to cash another H
now. and try to give him a ruff. declarer has 5-3-5-0 shape. This is quite a
silly 3D overcall, because you are unlikely to make 3NT here.
了。
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 不是特别肯定同伴的是属于惩罚性还是合作性。但是我这个牌太平均，也已知没有高花
: 配合，是一手适合防守的牌。我的方块还是相当不错的，再好一点前一轮都可以加倍了。
: 首攻ＨＡ，明手摊牌：
: Ａ ／ Ｑ６５４３ ／ ８６４ ／ ＫＪ７２
: 应该说明手的牌是相当地好。再把我手里的牌贴一下：
: Ｑ３２ ／ ＡＫ２ ／ ＡＪ２ ／ ＡＱ４３
: 同伴出Ｈ８（ｕｄｃａ），庄家Ｈ９。你如何继续？
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 25 OK... I guess if partner has 4 hearts (JT87), the right play would be HJ?
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: It looks like 4-2-2-5 shape from partner. So it's natural to cash another H
: now. and try to give him a ruff. declarer has 5-3-5-0 shape. This is quite a
: silly 3D overcall, because you are unlikely to make 3NT here.
:
: 了。
| a****s
发帖数: 524 | 26 1.
6H, real life decision and very reasonable contract. Seven may be pushing
your luck too hard given the circumstance (Try 6C, maybe)?
Pass may be technically right, but it creates too much tension, which is
unnecessary and unhealthy.
For one thing I fear, it may get passed-out, hard to believe? it happens all
the time. Then you are going to have a big argument with your partner, who
will never buy your technical correctness. Does he ever listen?
Also, the opponents may pick on your tempo, director called, bitter comments
exchanged, appeal committee summoned, blah, blah, blah, all kind of sh*t.
Then you'd wish you had just bid 6H. everyone happy. $-). if it doesn't make
, perhaps it's easier to persuade your partner to shun away from that
frivolous 2S.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: 这是另一个低级双人赛。你完全不了解对手。
: １）双无，你是第三家，ＫＱ３／ＡＫＪ８７２／Ｋ７／Ａ４，叫牌过程：
: CHO RHO YOU LHO
: p 1C x p
: 2S 3C 3H p
: 4H 5C ?
: 两个问题：A)你是否同意先前的叫牌？B)现在怎么叫?
: ２）有对无，你是第二家，Ｑ３２／ＡＫ２／ＡＪ２／ＡＱ４３，叫牌过程：
: CHO RHO YOU LHO
: p 2NT p
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 27 of course it has to be HJ. If partner plays HJ, the defense would become
rather tough. It is usually reasonable to play partner for 4-4-2-3 or 4-3-2-
4 shape.
suppose declarer holds something like xxxxx x KQTxx xx, you have to play DA
and Dx. Declarer can play SA, ruff, H, ruff S, ruff H, draw trump and play C
. You have to play CA and shoot back S. to beat it for one trick. if
partner holds DKx and SKxxx, DA and low D would cost you two tricks (because
you just play low D, you would be able to clear dummy's trumps), but you
still can beat it for one trick (also, you are likely to make 3NT in this
layout!).
Also, a low D doesn't work if partner holds no D honor, because declarer can
then play S to SA, ruff H, ruff S, ruff H, ruff S, play HQ to pitch S, you
can ruff it with DJ, play low C, dummy can play CJ, then the last H, partner
has to ruff, declarer overruff and later you would be end played and have
to give CK to dummy. So declarer wins 4D, SA, 2 S ruffs, CKJ...
At the table, you really need to decide which line to choose. A low D works
best when declarer's bidding is completely clueless, bidding 3D with QTxxx.
DA and Dx works when partner holds no D honor, and hold SKJxx. I think this
is more likely.
Of course, there is a third possibility (very unlikely). If you cash DA, and
drop partner's stiff DK, then you find that declarer holds SKxxxx x QTxxxx
x, call 911. Also, don't forget to tell your partner not to make a penalty
double with stiff trump K because you are also likely to make 3NT in this
layout.
If partner holds 4-3-2-4 shape, you also can try DA, Dx. if declarer wins and shoot back H, you can take HA, CA, play S to remove dummy's SA. now dummy can cash HQ, CK, C ruff, S ruff. so declarer wins 4D, 1 S ruff, SA, HQ, CK for down 1.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: OK... I guess if partner has 4 hearts (JT87), the right play would be HJ?
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 28 If a jump free bid and double then new suit wouldn't create a forcing pass
situation after the opener bids 1C, 3C then 5C, you can certainly change a
partner. Of course, one has to do homework to study such kind of situations
so that he can react fast at the table.
Bridge law wise, I think this pass shouldn't be treated as those nonforcing
passes. In a forcing pass situation, players should be allowed to give some
time to think then pass, which shouldn't pass much UI. Also, IMO, all bids
above 4 level in competitive auctions should use stop cards.
all
who
comments
【在 a****s 的大作中提到】
: 1.
: 6H, real life decision and very reasonable contract. Seven may be pushing
: your luck too hard given the circumstance (Try 6C, maybe)?
: Pass may be technically right, but it creates too much tension, which is
: unnecessary and unhealthy.
: For one thing I fear, it may get passed-out, hard to believe? it happens all
: the time. Then you are going to have a big argument with your partner, who
: will never buy your technical correctness. Does he ever listen?
: Also, the opponents may pick on your tempo, director called, bitter comments
: exchanged, appeal committee summoned, blah, blah, blah, all kind of sh*t.
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 29 Another thing is when the responder should double and when he should bid 3NT
. IMO, partner should double with D honor and at least 2D and bid 3NT
without D honor. Of course, players should have agreements with their
partners in situations like this. You may never get rich to double 3D with
Dxx and after partner's original pass.
2-
DA
C
because
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: of course it has to be HJ. If partner plays HJ, the defense would become
: rather tough. It is usually reasonable to play partner for 4-4-2-3 or 4-3-2-
: 4 shape.
: suppose declarer holds something like xxxxx x KQTxx xx, you have to play DA
: and Dx. Declarer can play SA, ruff, H, ruff S, ruff H, draw trump and play C
: . You have to play CA and shoot back S. to beat it for one trick. if
: partner holds DKx and SKxxx, DA and low D would cost you two tricks (because
: you just play low D, you would be able to clear dummy's trumps), but you
: still can beat it for one trick (also, you are likely to make 3NT in this
: layout!).
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 30 It is impossible to have agreements on every possible bidding sequence.
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: Another thing is when the responder should double and when he should bid 3NT
: . IMO, partner should double with D honor and at least 2D and bid 3NT
: without D honor. Of course, players should have agreements with their
: partners in situations like this. You may never get rich to double 3D with
: Dxx and after partner's original pass.
:
: 2-
: DA
: C
: because
| | | p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 31 Well, it's just simple bridge logic. However, partner may not really have
time to think carefully about the bidding logic at the table. That's why
players should do their homework to have some basic agreement, which makes a
lot of sense. I actually like the double to be based on three D. With two D
, you usually don't get rich to penalize good opps at three level either. In
many situations, 3NT can be cold, and you may only beat 3D for 1 or 2
tricks if you double with doubletons and pass with tripletons. All these
kind of stuff should be discussed off the table.
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: It is impossible to have agreements on every possible bidding sequence.
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 32 What is logical may not necessarily be "natural". For example, here it makes
sense for partner to double with decent diamond (honor doubleton, or 3+
diamonds), and to bid 3NT with no stopper. But if partner did bid 3NT at the
table, and I happen to hold xx in D myself, am I confident to pull from 3NT
because "logically" partner should bid 3NT only with NO stopper?!
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: Well, it's just simple bridge logic. However, partner may not really have
: time to think carefully about the bidding logic at the table. That's why
: players should do their homework to have some basic agreement, which makes a
: lot of sense. I actually like the double to be based on three D. With two D
: , you usually don't get rich to penalize good opps at three level either. In
: many situations, 3NT can be cold, and you may only beat 3D for 1 or 2
: tricks if you double with doubletons and pass with tripletons. All these
: kind of stuff should be discussed off the table.
| p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 33 A even better and natural treatment is to just keep 3NT over 3D from the
opener to be natural. So pass shows no stopper (or at least very unsuitable
to bid 3NT). Of course, your partner may have problems in to show 4-5 or 5-4
majors, that's probably just a minor issue.
This can also be applied to 1N p 2C 2D. Of course, we don't play garbage
Stayman.
makes
the
3NT
【在 b***y 的大作中提到】
: What is logical may not necessarily be "natural". For example, here it makes
: sense for partner to double with decent diamond (honor doubleton, or 3+
: diamonds), and to bid 3NT with no stopper. But if partner did bid 3NT at the
: table, and I happen to hold xx in D myself, am I confident to pull from 3NT
: because "logically" partner should bid 3NT only with NO stopper?!
| b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 34 I actually like your original concept. Double by opener is penalty, pass is
neutral. This allows partner to show 5-4 or 4-5 in majors (and I think
smolen should still apply here). Then partner's dbl is penalty oriented.
Partner uses 3NT for other types of hands (which logically denies a penalty-
oriented hand). But of course best treatment is not necessarily better in
practice, especially when un-discussed.
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: A even better and natural treatment is to just keep 3NT over 3D from the
: opener to be natural. So pass shows no stopper (or at least very unsuitable
: to bid 3NT). Of course, your partner may have problems in to show 4-5 or 5-4
: majors, that's probably just a minor issue.
: This can also be applied to 1N p 2C 2D. Of course, we don't play garbage
: Stayman.
:
: makes
: the
: 3NT
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