f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 1 VUL: BOTH
DEALER: NORTH
N:
S:X
H:AQ98X
D:AJXX
C:AXX
S:
S:KQJT
H:KTX
D:KQT9
C:XX
HOw to bid 6d? We bid 6H, which can be made only if opp dont lead c. | w****n
发帖数: 241 | 2 depends on if south had chance to bid D suite,
then maybe 6D is possible
if you forsee the necessity to use H to cover C.
but it's hard since N doesn't know how many C South has.
normally after A-inquiry, N would bid 6H for sure.
btw, SAYC or PREC ?
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: VUL: BOTH
: DEALER: NORTH
: N:
: S:X
: H:AQ98X
: D:AJXX
: C:AXX
: S:
: S:KQJT
: H:KTX
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 3 What's so good about 6D? Without C lead 6H isn't much worse than 6D.
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: VUL: BOTH
: DEALER: NORTH
: N:
: S:X
: H:AQ98X
: D:AJXX
: C:AXX
: S:
: S:KQJT
: H:KTX
| w****n
发帖数: 241 | 4 this is the point.
6D is safe even lead C, after trumps are cleaned,
H suite can cover C easiy.
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: What's so good about 6D? Without C lead 6H isn't much worse than 6D.
| f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 5 well, all opps will lead c【 在 wimptb (一失足成千古wimp) 的大作中提到: 】 | x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 6 6D I guess is not difficult to reach if south open, hehe.
for north, you need a great PD.
or the room is so limited
【在 w****n 的大作中提到】
: this is the point.
: 6D is safe even lead C, after trumps are cleaned,
: H suite can cover C easiy.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 7 we have an easy tool for this sequence:
1H 1S
2D 3D(gameforcing and at least mild slam interest!)
4C(cuebid)
now you can ask for key cards and stop at 6D.
For standard treatment, it's tough
1H 1S
2D 3C
3N 4H
?
now opener should make a slam try, 5C, because partner shows
slam interest in this sequence.
5C 6D
p
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: well, all opps will lead c【 在 wimptb (一失足成千古wimp) 的大作中提到: 】
| f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 8
This is one I like but feel doubt. Should 3D here be defined as GF? I think
most play this as only invitational.
This is the one we thought logical but need south to take control. Otherwise,
North will just go to 6H.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: we have an easy tool for this sequence:
: 1H 1S
: 2D 3D(gameforcing and at least mild slam interest!)
: 4C(cuebid)
: now you can ask for key cards and stop at 6D.
: For standard treatment, it's tough
: 1H 1S
: 2D 3C
: 3N 4H
: ?
| f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 9
HOw do you define invitational hand then here? 2N as invitational? what 4D
should mean then?
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: we have an easy tool for this sequence:
: 1H 1S
: 2D 3D(gameforcing and at least mild slam interest!)
: 4C(cuebid)
: now you can ask for key cards and stop at 6D.
: For standard treatment, it's tough
: 1H 1S
: 2D 3C
: 3N 4H
: ?
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 10 Holding south's hand, many will bid 1S and think it's no brainer, which I
don't buy. The correct response, I believe, it's 2D.
No major fit gets lost whenever you have GF value, yet minor fit might.
The 1S response will force you to seek some artificial solution later(always
a bad idea when you have a reasonable natural alternative!),
but 2D put the image at focus immediately. The only price you pay is that
pd may think that you have longer diamonds if you introduce your spade
suit later. That's
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: VUL: BOTH
: DEALER: NORTH
: N:
: S:X
: H:AQ98X
: D:AJXX
: C:AXX
: S:
: S:KQJT
: H:KTX
| | | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 11 3C is invitational in our method. can be invitational in D,S,H.
2NT is also invitational.
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
:
: HOw do you define invitational hand then here? 2N as invitational? what 4D
: should mean then?
| f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 12 waht is the continuation after that? i really think 1H-1S-2D-3D shld be
defined as gf.【 在 cozofu (但为君故) 的大作中提到: 】 | w****b
发帖数: 623 | 13 The problem with this scheme, if you later show your 4 card S, H support,
partner will place you with a singleton C and you might end up in a stupid
slam missing two top C honors.
The difficulty in this hand is you have good 4 card S, 3 good H support, and 4
decent D to introduce, and deciding on a priority is somewhat tricky. You
certainly could introduce your D first, the good thing about it being it sets
up an early game force, but there could be other risks.
Within the framework of the syste
【在 a*******s 的大作中提到】
: Holding south's hand, many will bid 1S and think it's no brainer, which I
: don't buy. The correct response, I believe, it's 2D.
: No major fit gets lost whenever you have GF value, yet minor fit might.
: The 1S response will force you to seek some artificial solution later(always
: a bad idea when you have a reasonable natural alternative!),
: but 2D put the image at focus immediately. The only price you pay is that
: pd may think that you have longer diamonds if you introduce your spade
: suit later. That's
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 14 bid 3D if you reject the invitation. otherwise, bid your hand naturally.
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: waht is the continuation after that? i really think 1H-1S-2D-3D shld be
: defined as gf.【 在 cozofu (但为君故) 的大作中提到: 】
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 15 Also another problem is the standard treatment of 4th suit forcing which
takes up just too much space. That's why we changed 3C as invitational,
3H/D/S are all GF.
I did Ok in the qualify rounds of LM pairs,
on the final day, we each made some mistakes
in the afternoon session, but we still deserve a 55% game until the round
before last, we were totally fixed by opponents, Passel tried a backdoor
finesse on me which worked, then his client bid 3NT over his 1NT overcall
with 5 spades and 3NT made
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: The problem with this scheme, if you later show your 4 card S, H support,
: partner will place you with a singleton C and you might end up in a stupid
: slam missing two top C honors.
: The difficulty in this hand is you have good 4 card S, 3 good H support, and 4
: decent D to introduce, and deciding on a priority is somewhat tricky. You
: certainly could introduce your D first, the good thing about it being it sets
: up an early game force, but there could be other risks.
: Within the framework of the syste
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 16
What happened to your system? I thought you had some gadget to deal with such
hand after a reverse. In general I'm a big advocate of jumping to 2N with
suitable 16 count, but this hand 2N might wrong side the contract too much and
I might still temporalize with a 2D reverse, after which even if you get to
6N, it would be from a safer side... In any case I sympathize Meyers and
Montin who are surely telling their friends what happened to their game...
Hehe this double is a bit, eh, too light. Bu
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: Also another problem is the standard treatment of 4th suit forcing which
: takes up just too much space. That's why we changed 3C as invitational,
: 3H/D/S are all GF.
: I did Ok in the qualify rounds of LM pairs,
: on the final day, we each made some mistakes
: in the afternoon session, but we still deserve a 55% game until the round
: before last, we were totally fixed by opponents, Passel tried a backdoor
: finesse on me which worked, then his client bid 3NT over his 1NT overcall
: with 5 spades and 3NT made
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 17
no, we have no way to show 6 good clubs and 3 diamonds if we reverse.
if partner raises 2D to 3D, we would have a big headache to get to 6C which
could offen be a better spot. I don't like my 2NT, but it was just a tough
hand for our system. 1NT opening is kind of conservative, 1C then 3C
is possible, but we still may have a problem if partner bids 3S as forcing.
Once I bid 2NT, we do have some easy gadgets. Thus, I believe 2NT was the
closest bid to show my strength and general distribution, t
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
:
: What happened to your system? I thought you had some gadget to deal with such
: hand after a reverse. In general I'm a big advocate of jumping to 2N with
: suitable 16 count, but this hand 2N might wrong side the contract too much and
: I might still temporalize with a 2D reverse, after which even if you get to
: 6N, it would be from a safer side... In any case I sympathize Meyers and
: Montin who are surely telling their friends what happened to their game...
: Hehe this double is a bit, eh, too light. Bu
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 18 Hehe I saw the hand in bulletin. Meltzer made 4 too but she only bid to 3S.
When it came to light that you had a singleton trump, it's reasonable to play
Greg for short H. Certainly if Greg opened and you made a negative double, it
became somewhat obvious what to do. But where's the field protection? The
bulletin says +170 was already a good score which seemed strange. | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 19 forgot to mention, there was a fix of the century by greg.
he held:
SAx HJxx DKQxxxx CQx
I had:
SKJx HKxx DJx CAxxxx
I was the first to bid, but he bid 1D out of turn, playing against
Polowan.
So Polowan rejected his opening, now I have to pass all the way,
Polowan's partner opened 1H with
SQxx HAQxxx Dx CKxxx
Greg had a tough guessing problem now, he eventually overcalled
1NT and played there.
In this lay out, although we have 24 HCP, good diamond fit,
3NT would still have no play. even 2NT mig
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Hehe I saw the hand in bulletin. Meltzer made 4 too but she only bid to 3S.
: When it came to light that you had a singleton trump, it's reasonable to play
: Greg for short H. Certainly if Greg opened and you made a negative double, it
: became somewhat obvious what to do. But where's the field protection? The
: bulletin says +170 was already a good score which seemed strange.
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 20 I've learned that if oppo bid out of turn, you'd better just accept it.
Otherwise due to the fact that his pd is barred from the bidding, you
basically turn the game into a shoot in the dark. I had been fixed once like
that too.
down
3S.
play
it
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: forgot to mention, there was a fix of the century by greg.
: he held:
: SAx HJxx DKQxxxx CQx
: I had:
: SKJx HKxx DJx CAxxxx
: I was the first to bid, but he bid 1D out of turn, playing against
: Polowan.
: So Polowan rejected his opening, now I have to pass all the way,
: Polowan's partner opened 1H with
: SQxx HAQxxx Dx CKxxx
| | | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 21 yes, greg opened the bidding and I doubled, then south jumped to 4S,
the field is not very strong, since it's just the second day. If there is
a third day, it should be much better. however, 5D seems cold for
e-w! guess I am just too chicken to bid 5D...
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: I've learned that if oppo bid out of turn, you'd better just accept it.
: Otherwise due to the fact that his pd is barred from the bidding, you
: basically turn the game into a shoot in the dark. I had been fixed once like
: that too.
:
: down
: 3S.
: play
: it
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 22 I see, so that's why -170 was already such a bad score. If greg opened 1D,
then you may consider 5D, if he opened 1C, then this becomes very tough. In
any case 4S was quite a bid.
For people who don't know what we are talking about, here are the 4 hands:
Dlr: East
Vul: None
A K J 10 9
Q 6 4
J 7 5
9 3
7 5 4 2
J
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: yes, greg opened the bidding and I doubled, then south jumped to 4S,
: the field is not very strong, since it's just the second day. If there is
: a third day, it should be much better. however, 5D seems cold for
: e-w! guess I am just too chicken to bid 5D...
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 23 I sometimes feel that negative double is really a losing option for
5 diamonds and 4 hearts, 6-9 HCP hands. Perhaps a better treatment is
to play 2NT to show it. However, in that case, we have to double 1S
with balanced hand, no 4 hearts. Anyway, I don't think it's very bad to
double without 4 hearts. In Ross-Stone's orginal negative double version,
x doesn't guarantee 4 cards in the other major.
For this hand, 5D wasn't clear, change the lay out slightly, it can easily
be 4S -1, 5D -2.
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: I see, so that's why -170 was already such a bad score. If greg opened 1D,
: then you may consider 5D, if he opened 1C, then this becomes very tough. In
: any case 4S was quite a bid.
: For people who don't know what we are talking about, here are the 4 hands:
: Dlr: East
: Vul: None
: A K J 10 9
: Q 6 4
: J 7 5
: 9 3
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 24 Then why this won't be a problem if you introduce spades first?
4
sets
later(always
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: The problem with this scheme, if you later show your 4 card S, H support,
: partner will place you with a singleton C and you might end up in a stupid
: slam missing two top C honors.
: The difficulty in this hand is you have good 4 card S, 3 good H support, and 4
: decent D to introduce, and deciding on a priority is somewhat tricky. You
: certainly could introduce your D first, the good thing about it being it sets
: up an early game force, but there could be other risks.
: Within the framework of the syste
| w****b
发帖数: 623 | 25 Then pd will not expect you to be at least 4-5 in S-D.
and
the
I
that
【在 a*******s 的大作中提到】
: Then why this won't be a problem if you introduce spades first?
:
: 4
: sets
: later(always
| a*******s
发帖数: 295 | 26 I mean why he won't take your hand as 5 S + 4 D etc..
support,
stupid
You
which
might.
or
【在 w****b 的大作中提到】
: Then pd will not expect you to be at least 4-5 in S-D.
:
: and
: the
: I
: that
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