a***n
发帖数: 287 | 1 Playing sayc with pd, I sit on south and have this hand:
S: A
H: AJ732
D: 83
C: KJ972
Bidding sequence is
N E S W
1D pass 1H 2S
3D 3S ?
I bid 4C, hoping that pd can understand it's
at least 5-5 in H and C. But it turns out to
be not true. Pd argued that my 1H could be 4-card.
So with 4-6 in H-C, my bidding could still be
1H first and then 4C. Is there any way to clarify
the situation here? | m*e
发帖数: 155 | 2 I don't see a direct answer to your question (therefore
like to be enlighted by other peoples' ideas), and am not
happy with my own thoughts either but here they go:
very likely partner has no 3 hearts(no support double.
and even if he does have 3, he has choices after your
bid over 3s). (excuse me for importing supp. x to sayc :)
and let's assume opps have 9 spades(if W had 7, he would
probably have bid 3; and if E had 4, he would probably
had bid 4).
so partner's hand is
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: Playing sayc with pd, I sit on south and have this hand:
: S: A
: H: AJ732
: D: 83
: C: KJ972
: Bidding sequence is
: N E S W
: 1D pass 1H 2S
: 3D 3S ?
: I bid 4C, hoping that pd can understand it's
| w****n
发帖数: 241 | 3 why not 3NT ? looks like ur partner has 6 D.
it looks quite safe.
【在 m*e 的大作中提到】
: I don't see a direct answer to your question (therefore
: like to be enlighted by other peoples' ideas), and am not
: happy with my own thoughts either but here they go:
: very likely partner has no 3 hearts(no support double.
: and even if he does have 3, he has choices after your
: bid over 3s). (excuse me for importing supp. x to sayc :)
: and let's assume opps have 9 spades(if W had 7, he would
: probably have bid 3; and if E had 4, he would probably
: had bid 4).
: so partner's hand is
| f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 4 4s, 3d shows a good suit and better than min hand. you have gf value and
doubleton spt is ok here. if pd cooperate with 5c, u can raise to 6c, which
should show 5-5 in h and c.【 在 acman (笑傲江湖) 的大作中提到: 】 | f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 5 3n is a choice, but i think 5d is safer in this sequence. u hv only one
stopper, if pd cant run his d suit, u will be down for sure. so you need pd
has solid d suit + ca or hk, in that case 5d is cold too.【 在 Watson (福尔摩
斯的癞皮狗) 的大作中提到: 】 | x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 6 I think you did the right thing.
For your Hand, if you have 4-6 in H/C
you 'e better bid 2C first, instead of 1H
1H, 4C is more likely to be a strong hand with 5-5 or 6-5 in H, C
Well, if no support in D, the two suite should be strong enough.
I guess 3NT is not a wise choice.
If you could make it, you probably could make 6D or 6C, or 6H, depends on your
PD's Hand.
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: Playing sayc with pd, I sit on south and have this hand:
: S: A
: H: AJ732
: D: 83
: C: KJ972
: Bidding sequence is
: N E S W
: 1D pass 1H 2S
: 3D 3S ?
: I bid 4C, hoping that pd can understand it's
| m*e
发帖数: 155 | 7
I am with his partner on this. If you do have 4-6 H/C (i.e. good
playing hand), but no forcing to game strength(first C then H is
game focring), bidding C first would very likely mean that you
give up the chance for H game, when your partner is not strong
enough to reverse bid his 4 card H.
Agreed about 3N.
your
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: I think you did the right thing.
: For your Hand, if you have 4-6 in H/C
: you 'e better bid 2C first, instead of 1H
: 1H, 4C is more likely to be a strong hand with 5-5 or 6-5 in H, C
: Well, if no support in D, the two suite should be strong enough.
: I guess 3NT is not a wise choice.
: If you could make it, you probably could make 6D or 6C, or 6H, depends on your
: PD's Hand.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 8 With 4 hearts and longer clubs, game forcing value, your response
should be 2C, not 1H. Your partner was clearly wrong here.
Still, this hand looks like quite a misfit hand, partner denies 3
hearts support and 4 clubs. It would be an interesting problem for
a bidding panel. I think 4C is fine. at least it shows your shape and
your value. 5C would be possible if pd holds:
Sxxx Hx DAKJxxx CAQx. 5C would have good play, 6C would be marginal
for this hand.
If partner bids 4D, I'd raise her to 5D, if
【在 a***n 的大作中提到】
: Playing sayc with pd, I sit on south and have this hand:
: S: A
: H: AJ732
: D: 83
: C: KJ972
: Bidding sequence is
: N E S W
: 1D pass 1H 2S
: 3D 3S ?
: I bid 4C, hoping that pd can understand it's
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 9 it's tough, 3NT would be quite bad if minor suits aren't running.
doubling might not show your hand either, partner would be
quite endbid with Sxxx HKx DAKQJxx Cxx. in this case, 3NT would be
cold, 5D has some play. 3S may go down 2. Perhaps double is still
wiser, which would guarantee a sure plus.
【在 w****n 的大作中提到】
: why not 3NT ? looks like ur partner has 6 D.
: it looks quite safe.
| f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 10 I think in this sequence it is better to spt pd. He rebid 3d volunterily, so
he must not be min and should have 6 card d suit.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: With 4 hearts and longer clubs, game forcing value, your response
: should be 2C, not 1H. Your partner was clearly wrong here.
: Still, this hand looks like quite a misfit hand, partner denies 3
: hearts support and 4 clubs. It would be an interesting problem for
: a bidding panel. I think 4C is fine. at least it shows your shape and
: your value. 5C would be possible if pd holds:
: Sxxx Hx DAKJxxx CAQx. 5C would have good play, 6C would be marginal
: for this hand.
: If partner bids 4D, I'd raise her to 5D, if
| | | m*e
发帖数: 155 | 11
I also believe d6+ is promised. But is one not allowed to compete with
a good playing hand of 6 diamonds but minimum in hcp? I know I want to
compete. Is it a matter of style or what?
raise,
【在 f*****x 的大作中提到】
: I think in this sequence it is better to spt pd. He rebid 3d volunterily, so
: he must not be min and should have 6 card d suit.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 12 There is a new thing called good bad 2NT, so that you can
bid 3D to show a competitve hand, with a strong hand,
you bid 2NT and pd has to relay to 3C, then you bid 3D again to show
it.
【在 m*e 的大作中提到】
:
: I also believe d6+ is promised. But is one not allowed to compete with
: a good playing hand of 6 diamonds but minimum in hcp? I know I want to
: compete. Is it a matter of style or what?
: raise,
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 13 I guess his hand is strong enough.
not "no forcing to game strenth"
【在 m*e 的大作中提到】
:
: I also believe d6+ is promised. But is one not allowed to compete with
: a good playing hand of 6 diamonds but minimum in hcp? I know I want to
: compete. Is it a matter of style or what?
: raise,
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 14 nod.
and 4H will be tough.
Don't know what to do le.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: With 4 hearts and longer clubs, game forcing value, your response
: should be 2C, not 1H. Your partner was clearly wrong here.
: Still, this hand looks like quite a misfit hand, partner denies 3
: hearts support and 4 clubs. It would be an interesting problem for
: a bidding panel. I think 4C is fine. at least it shows your shape and
: your value. 5C would be possible if pd holds:
: Sxxx Hx DAKJxxx CAQx. 5C would have good play, 6C would be marginal
: for this hand.
: If partner bids 4D, I'd raise her to 5D, if
| m*e
发帖数: 155 | 15 logic.
I am not saying that HIS HAND is not enough to game-force,
but am talking about
the picture HIS PARTNER(ths opener) gets about his hand
upon hearing him bid
1H later 3C.
I.e. I am trying to say that 1H then 3C doesn't necessarily
exclude 4-6 H/C types. This is what his partner thinks and
I "agree with his parnter".
on
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
: I guess his hand is strong enough.
: not "no forcing to game strenth"
| x***e
发帖数: 2449 | 16
First 1H, later 4C, not 3C. Doesn't matter though
second, in a 1D, 1H, 3S, 4C sequence, what do you think his partener should
guess for his hand?
I DO think exclude 4-6 H/C types is necessary.
It is already game forcing now. :)
【在 m*e 的大作中提到】
: logic.
: I am not saying that HIS HAND is not enough to game-force,
: but am talking about
: the picture HIS PARTNER(ths opener) gets about his hand
: upon hearing him bid
: 1H later 3C.
: I.e. I am trying to say that 1H then 3C doesn't necessarily
: exclude 4-6 H/C types. This is what his partner thinks and
: I "agree with his parnter".
:
| a***n
发帖数: 287 | 17
Yeah, I agree with xlxie. In the case of showing the second suit
so that, if needed, pd can select one to support at 4th level, 5-5
is much safer, to me, than 4-6. I am just not that comfortable to
deal with 4-3 fit at level 4, compared with doing 5-2. However,
this is just my thoughts, and it can be very biased, 'cos I initially
thought my 1H--4C bidding excludes the 4H/5-6C case. When I get back
to my pd, this piece of thought would be used as hard evidence whatsoever. :)
Thank you very much
【在 x***e 的大作中提到】
:
: First 1H, later 4C, not 3C. Doesn't matter though
: second, in a 1D, 1H, 3S, 4C sequence, what do you think his partener should
: guess for his hand?
: I DO think exclude 4-6 H/C types is necessary.
: It is already game forcing now. :)
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