t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 1 ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
我回了一个email
＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
am not in that stage"
"Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
my living expense".
言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts. |
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 2 How much are you getting paid? Truth hurts when your boss fires you, too.
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 3 所以我感觉滩上大麻繁了。大家都是中国人，觉得面子上也过不去。
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: How much are you getting paid? Truth hurts when your boss fires you, too.
|
b******n
发帖数: 4225 | 4 那就只有weekday做出点成果来了
不然肯定有你好受
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 5 都怪面试的时侯没问清楚，我以为是by default。
上班第一天革比组的postdoc 知道我来这个组，说了一句勇气可嘉，把我吓了一跳。 |
V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 6 骑驴找马找下家吧，要是中国老板，肯定会想法折腾死你的
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: 都怪面试的时侯没问清楚，我以为是by default。
: 上班第一天革比组的postdoc 知道我来这个组，说了一句勇气可嘉，把我吓了一跳。
|
t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 7 我这人也是吃软不吃硬，估计他还不敢，我也不有求于他。招我也费了不少劲。
不过把事做好是真的。
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 骑驴找马找下家吧，要是中国老板，肯定会想法折腾死你的
|
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 8 把事情做好，该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出，他就不会在乎你到底是不是
周末来了。
但是最近你必须避免和他产生正面冲突。
其实他的邮件，你大可以用其他委婉的方法来回绝的，没有必要说得那么狠。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: 我这人也是吃软不吃硬，估计他还不敢，我也不有求于他。招我也费了不少劲。
: 不过把事做好是真的。
|
u*****8
发帖数: 180 | |
j******g
发帖数: 572 | 10 这么帮变态中国老板说话？不会就是您自个吧。。。。
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 把事情做好，该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出，他就不会在乎你到底是不是
: 周末来了。
: 但是最近你必须避免和他产生正面冲突。
: 其实他的邮件，你大可以用其他委婉的方法来回绝的，没有必要说得那么狠。
|
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|
y***i
发帖数: 11639 | 11 ft，你从哪句话理解出他是在帮老板说话？
【在 j******g 的大作中提到】
: 这么帮变态中国老板说话？不会就是您自个吧。。。。
|
s*********x
发帖数: 1923 | 12 我也是薄后，不过我觉得要是不想做千老的话，只能玩命。。。没别的办法。和老板无
关。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
T****i
发帖数: 15191 | 13 说的很过分，也没必要发email说这种狠话。也不是什么大事，私下理性沟通就好了。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
n******s
发帖数: 36 | 14 做与不做千老与是否玩命干活没有任何关系，与你的老板是谁有很大关系
不过认识不到这一点的人不多，不过PI骗骗新人也是有可能，要不没人干活
【在 s*********x 的大作中提到】
: 我也是薄后，不过我觉得要是不想做千老的话，只能玩命。。。没别的办法。和老板无
: 关。
|
h******1
发帖数: 16295 | 15 你有他要求你加班的email吗?
如果有,你就不用怕他.违法的是他,不是你. |
g********0
发帖数: 6201 | 16 我觉得既然说了，也不用后悔。
很多变态老板其实都是欺软怕硬的主。但你也要赶紧准备跑路，因为无论老板今后会对
你如何，这个实验室都不值得你呆下去了。 |
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 17 Post-doc is salary! Personally, I think the poster is not smooth at all,
and I will never hire a 7 year post-doc.
【在 h******1 的大作中提到】
: 你有他要求你加班的email吗?
: 如果有,你就不用怕他.违法的是他,不是你.
|
c*******2
发帖数: 346 | 18 若非特殊，周末通常不加班。
尤其是有家有小孩以后。。。 |
K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 19 该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出
personal experience, 按时出 is enough. If you 提前出 frequently, the result
will be you get more and more things to do. (It might not be a bad thing if
you are motivated.)
just my $0.02
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 把事情做好，该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出，他就不会在乎你到底是不是
: 周末来了。
: 但是最近你必须避免和他产生正面冲突。
: 其实他的邮件，你大可以用其他委婉的方法来回绝的，没有必要说得那么狠。
|
K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 20 indeed it sounds 太重了. Looking for another position bah
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
|
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n****n
发帖数: 434 | 21 truth hurts!
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Post-doc is salary! Personally, I think the poster is not smooth at all,
: and I will never hire a 7 year post-doc.
|
n****n
发帖数: 434 | 22 也不知道LZ工作是为了谁的future？！
【在 j******g 的大作中提到】
: 这么帮变态中国老板说话？不会就是您自个吧。。。。
|
V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 23 holy damn! this is the logic of bio wsn?
no wonder you guys study bio!!!
getting "salary" and being "exempt" never justify constant overtime working
in weekend
weekend is weekend, that is it.
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Post-doc is salary! Personally, I think the poster is not smooth at all,
: and I will never hire a 7 year post-doc.
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 24 You don't think CS people do that? You don't think EE people do that? You
don't think medical doctors, surgeons, and lawyers do that (granted these
people work on billable hours but not all hours working are billable)?
It is not biology or science in general. It is life and work in general.
How many days per week does people in China working? and for how long?
working
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: holy damn! this is the logic of bio wsn?
: no wonder you guys study bio!!!
: getting "salary" and being "exempt" never justify constant overtime working
: in weekend
: weekend is weekend, that is it.
|
V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 25 oh my, let us cut the crap. this is not china , you are not getting paid RMB
; you are not under the Leadership of CCP
that is why you guys came here.
tons of research scientists in the job market work for 40 hrs per week, they
are exempt!
being exempt only means that if you work 45 hrs in a couple of weeks, forget
about the overtime pay.
it never means that you need to work 50 hrs per week.
You
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: You don't think CS people do that? You don't think EE people do that? You
: don't think medical doctors, surgeons, and lawyers do that (granted these
: people work on billable hours but not all hours working are billable)?
: It is not biology or science in general. It is life and work in general.
: How many days per week does people in China working? and for how long?
:
: working
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 26 Tons people also work overtime HERE in the US, and they are Americans. You
can ask my cousins who is a partner in one of larger law firms in LA. You
can ask my neighbors who are neuro- and orthopedic surgeons. Yes, they work
during weekends, and sometimes over 12 hours a day to finish the job.
Btw, here is American worker laws and some data:
http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivit
RMB
they
forget
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: oh my, let us cut the crap. this is not china , you are not getting paid RMB
: ; you are not under the Leadership of CCP
: that is why you guys came here.
: tons of research scientists in the job market work for 40 hrs per week, they
: are exempt!
: being exempt only means that if you work 45 hrs in a couple of weeks, forget
: about the overtime pay.
: it never means that you need to work 50 hrs per week.
:
: You
|
n*****n
发帖数: 3123 | 27 傻到家了？
RMB
they
forget
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: oh my, let us cut the crap. this is not china , you are not getting paid RMB
: ; you are not under the Leadership of CCP
: that is why you guys came here.
: tons of research scientists in the job market work for 40 hrs per week, they
: are exempt!
: being exempt only means that if you work 45 hrs in a couple of weeks, forget
: about the overtime pay.
: it never means that you need to work 50 hrs per week.
:
: You
|
V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 28 lol
ask your cousins how much they make
I also know a business owner who work 80- 90 hrs per week, I don't even need
to know if he is " exempt" or not. lol
You
work
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Tons people also work overtime HERE in the US, and they are Americans. You
: can ask my cousins who is a partner in one of larger law firms in LA. You
: can ask my neighbors who are neuro- and orthopedic surgeons. Yes, they work
: during weekends, and sometimes over 12 hours a day to finish the job.
: Btw, here is American worker laws and some data:
: http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivit
:
: RMB
: they
: forget
|
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 29 所以就像俺老指出过无数次的那样 wsn们的抱怨核心是钱 和工作时间长短啊 老板极品
不极品啊 千老有没有职业前途啊啥啥的都一点关系没有，千老们工资涨到10万一年，
还是极品老板，还是找不到正式工作，还是天天加班，99%的抱怨都没有了。
要求涨工资天经地义，问题是工资也不是这些“极品老板”定的，或者有权利参与决定
的啊？
need
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: lol
: ask your cousins how much they make
: I also know a business owner who work 80- 90 hrs per week, I don't even need
: to know if he is " exempt" or not. lol
:
: You
: work
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 30 Yes, exactly. So it is all about paid. I give you a hint, no one ever
point a gun to your head to be a post-doc or do biological sciences. Go
open a bussiness and see how much money you can actually make (or loss).
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 所以就像俺老指出过无数次的那样 wsn们的抱怨核心是钱 和工作时间长短啊 老板极品
: 不极品啊 千老有没有职业前途啊啥啥的都一点关系没有，千老们工资涨到10万一年，
: 还是极品老板，还是找不到正式工作，还是天天加班，99%的抱怨都没有了。
: 要求涨工资天经地义，问题是工资也不是这些“极品老板”定的，或者有权利参与决定
: 的啊？
:
: need
|
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b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 31 这个态度我觉得也不对。postdoc的工资确实是太低了，涨到六七万我觉得才算比较合
理。尤其考虑到postdoc已经慢慢从短期训练性质变成中长期职业性质。
我的意见是老板+postdoc应该都努力去闹去争取。postdoc因为收入问题把火力对准老
板意义很小
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Yes, exactly. So it is all about paid. I give you a hint, no one ever
: point a gun to your head to be a post-doc or do biological sciences. Go
: open a bussiness and see how much money you can actually make (or loss).
|
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 32 Some research associates do earn more than 60-70k a year.
But for fresh postdocs, it is not realistic.
If NIH still dominates the research funding for bio, research postdoc will
not see 60k starting salary. Just look at salaries of the clinical residents
and fellows, who see patients. Even for surgical residents, most of them
get less than 50k starting salaries.
If you can get away with NIH, you may see a big increase of postdoc salaries.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个态度我觉得也不对。postdoc的工资确实是太低了，涨到六七万我觉得才算比较合
: 理。尤其考虑到postdoc已经慢慢从短期训练性质变成中长期职业性质。
: 我的意见是老板+postdoc应该都努力去闹去争取。postdoc因为收入问题把火力对准老
: 板意义很小
|
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 33 部分同意-所以火力应该对着整个体系的建设者，比如NIH。比如说要求提高R01
package size
部分不同意-即便NIH funding size不变，转变研究体系的构成也可以，比如说
decentrilization: 每个lab从常规7-10人，变成常规2-3人，老板自己做实验。实际上
我现在感觉这个可能是最合适的促进原创发现的规模。当然了，做惯了办公室的老板们
可能不高兴。。
residents
salaries.
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: Some research associates do earn more than 60-70k a year.
: But for fresh postdocs, it is not realistic.
: If NIH still dominates the research funding for bio, research postdoc will
: not see 60k starting salary. Just look at salaries of the clinical residents
: and fellows, who see patients. Even for surgical residents, most of them
: get less than 50k starting salaries.
: If you can get away with NIH, you may see a big increase of postdoc salaries.
|
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 34 It is not about the R01 size. It is about the doctor-arrogance.
NIH will never pay PhD postdocs more than what it paid for MD postdocs.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 部分同意-所以火力应该对着整个体系的建设者，比如NIH。比如说要求提高R01
: package size
: 部分不同意-即便NIH funding size不变，转变研究体系的构成也可以，比如说
: decentrilization: 每个lab从常规7-10人，变成常规2-3人，老板自己做实验。实际上
: 我现在感觉这个可能是最合适的促进原创发现的规模。当然了，做惯了办公室的老板们
: 可能不高兴。。
:
: residents
: salaries.
|
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 35 这个。。MD postdoc如果实在NIH funded lab工作，那没有理由不和phd postdoc一样
（一样增加）。如果MD postdoc是在类似resident或者fellowship的位置上工作，他们
不是NIH pay，当然也就不归NIH管呀
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: It is not about the R01 size. It is about the doctor-arrogance.
: NIH will never pay PhD postdocs more than what it paid for MD postdocs.
|
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 36 Just take a look of Damon Runyon and Leukemia & Lymphoma Society postdoc
fellowships. You will see two tiers of salaries, basically for PhDs and MDs
respectively.
Most hospitals will feel honored if their residency programs are supported
by NIH. The federal salary guideline is everywhere.
Of course, hospitals have the autonomy to pay residents more. Just like, you
can pay more to your postdoc, much higher than the guidelines.
But, most people just follow the guidelines, especially MDs.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个。。MD postdoc如果实在NIH funded lab工作，那没有理由不和phd postdoc一样
: （一样增加）。如果MD postdoc是在类似resident或者fellowship的位置上工作，他们
: 不是NIH pay，当然也就不归NIH管呀
|
t*****a
发帖数: 308 | |
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 38 How much are you getting paid? Truth hurts when your boss fires you, too.
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 39 所以我感觉滩上大麻繁了。大家都是中国人，觉得面子上也过不去。
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: How much are you getting paid? Truth hurts when your boss fires you, too.
|
b******n
发帖数: 4225 | 40 那就只有weekday做出点成果来了
不然肯定有你好受
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
|
|
t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 41 都怪面试的时侯没问清楚，我以为是by default。
上班第一天革比组的postdoc 知道我来这个组，说了一句把我吓了一跳。 |
V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 42 骑驴找马找下家吧，要是中国老板，肯定会想法折腾死你的
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: 都怪面试的时侯没问清楚，我以为是by default。
: 上班第一天革比组的postdoc 知道我来这个组，说了一句把我吓了一跳。
|
t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 43 我这人也是吃软不吃硬，估计他还不敢，我也不有求于他。招我也费了不少劲。
不过把事做好是真的。
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: 骑驴找马找下家吧，要是中国老板，肯定会想法折腾死你的
|
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 44 把事情做好，该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出，他就不会在乎你到底是不是
周末来了。
但是最近你必须避免和他产生正面冲突。
其实他的邮件，你大可以用其他委婉的方法来回绝的，没有必要说得那么狠。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: 我这人也是吃软不吃硬，估计他还不敢，我也不有求于他。招我也费了不少劲。
: 不过把事做好是真的。
|
u*****8
发帖数: 180 | |
j******g
发帖数: 572 | 46 这么帮变态中国老板说话？不会就是您自个吧。。。。
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 把事情做好，该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出，他就不会在乎你到底是不是
: 周末来了。
: 但是最近你必须避免和他产生正面冲突。
: 其实他的邮件，你大可以用其他委婉的方法来回绝的，没有必要说得那么狠。
|
y***i
发帖数: 11639 | 47 ft，你从哪句话理解出他是在帮老板说话？
【在 j******g 的大作中提到】
: 这么帮变态中国老板说话？不会就是您自个吧。。。。
|
s*********x
发帖数: 1923 | 48 我也是薄后，不过我觉得要是不想做千老的话，只能玩命。。。没别的办法。和老板无
关。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
T****i
发帖数: 15191 | 49 说的很过分，也没必要发email说这种狠话。也不是什么大事，私下理性沟通就好了。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
n******s
发帖数: 36 | 50 做与不做千老与是否玩命干活没有任何关系，与你的老板是谁有很大关系
不过认识不到这一点的人不多，不过PI骗骗新人也是有可能，要不没人干活
【在 s*********x 的大作中提到】
: 我也是薄后，不过我觉得要是不想做千老的话，只能玩命。。。没别的办法。和老板无
: 关。
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h******1
发帖数: 16295 | 51 你有他要求你加班的email吗?
如果有,你就不用怕他.违法的是他,不是你. |
g********0
发帖数: 6201 | 52 我觉得既然说了，也不用后悔。
很多变态老板其实都是欺软怕硬的主。但你也要赶紧准备跑路，因为无论老板今后会对
你如何，这个实验室都不值得你呆下去了。 |
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 53 Post-doc is salary! Personally, I think the poster is not smooth at all,
and I will never hire a 7 year post-doc.
【在 h******1 的大作中提到】
: 你有他要求你加班的email吗?
: 如果有,你就不用怕他.违法的是他,不是你.
|
c*******2
发帖数: 346 | 54 若非特殊，周末通常不加班。
尤其是有家有小孩以后。。。 |
K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 55 该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出
personal experience, 按时出 is enough. If you 提前出 frequently, the result
will be you get more and more things to do. (It might not be a bad thing if
you are motivated.)
just my $0.02
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 把事情做好，该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出，他就不会在乎你到底是不是
: 周末来了。
: 但是最近你必须避免和他产生正面冲突。
: 其实他的邮件，你大可以用其他委婉的方法来回绝的，没有必要说得那么狠。
|
K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 56 indeed it sounds 太重了. Looking for another position bah
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: ７年千老，最近新换一个组。被老板要求周末加班
: 我回了一个email
: ＂I can work hard/productively on weekday, but not regularly in weekend. I
: am not in that stage"
: "Money talks. even I stay here 24/7, my paycheck here is not able to cover
: my living expense".
: 言下之意我拿得这点钱不值为你卖命. Truth hurts.
|
n****n
发帖数: 434 | 57 truth hurts!
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Post-doc is salary! Personally, I think the poster is not smooth at all,
: and I will never hire a 7 year post-doc.
|
n****n
发帖数: 434 | 58 也不知道LZ工作是为了谁的future？！
【在 j******g 的大作中提到】
: 这么帮变态中国老板说话？不会就是您自个吧。。。。
|
V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 59 holy damn! this is the logic of bio wsn?
no wonder you guys study bio!!!
getting "salary" and being "exempt" never justify constant overtime working
in weekend
weekend is weekend, that is it.
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Post-doc is salary! Personally, I think the poster is not smooth at all,
: and I will never hire a 7 year post-doc.
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 60 You don't think CS people do that? You don't think EE people do that? You
don't think medical doctors, surgeons, and lawyers do that (granted these
people work on billable hours but not all hours working are billable)?
It is not biology or science in general. It is life and work in general.
How many days per week does people in China working? and for how long?
working
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: holy damn! this is the logic of bio wsn?
: no wonder you guys study bio!!!
: getting "salary" and being "exempt" never justify constant overtime working
: in weekend
: weekend is weekend, that is it.
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V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 61 oh my, let us cut the crap. this is not china , you are not getting paid RMB
; you are not under the Leadership of CCP
that is why you guys came here.
tons of research scientists in the job market work for 40 hrs per week, they
are exempt!
being exempt only means that if you work 45 hrs in a couple of weeks, forget
about the overtime pay.
it never means that you need to work 50 hrs per week.
You
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: You don't think CS people do that? You don't think EE people do that? You
: don't think medical doctors, surgeons, and lawyers do that (granted these
: people work on billable hours but not all hours working are billable)?
: It is not biology or science in general. It is life and work in general.
: How many days per week does people in China working? and for how long?
:
: working
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 62 Tons people also work overtime HERE in the US, and they are Americans. You
can ask my cousins who is a partner in one of larger law firms in LA. You
can ask my neighbors who are neuro- and orthopedic surgeons. Yes, they work
during weekends, and sometimes over 12 hours a day to finish the job.
Btw, here is American worker laws and some data:
http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivit
RMB
they
forget
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: oh my, let us cut the crap. this is not china , you are not getting paid RMB
: ; you are not under the Leadership of CCP
: that is why you guys came here.
: tons of research scientists in the job market work for 40 hrs per week, they
: are exempt!
: being exempt only means that if you work 45 hrs in a couple of weeks, forget
: about the overtime pay.
: it never means that you need to work 50 hrs per week.
:
: You
|
n*****n
发帖数: 3123 | 63 傻到家了？
RMB
they
forget
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: oh my, let us cut the crap. this is not china , you are not getting paid RMB
: ; you are not under the Leadership of CCP
: that is why you guys came here.
: tons of research scientists in the job market work for 40 hrs per week, they
: are exempt!
: being exempt only means that if you work 45 hrs in a couple of weeks, forget
: about the overtime pay.
: it never means that you need to work 50 hrs per week.
:
: You
|
V**3
发帖数: 12756 | 64 lol
ask your cousins how much they make
I also know a business owner who work 80- 90 hrs per week, I don't even need
to know if he is " exempt" or not. lol
You
work
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Tons people also work overtime HERE in the US, and they are Americans. You
: can ask my cousins who is a partner in one of larger law firms in LA. You
: can ask my neighbors who are neuro- and orthopedic surgeons. Yes, they work
: during weekends, and sometimes over 12 hours a day to finish the job.
: Btw, here is American worker laws and some data:
: http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivit
:
: RMB
: they
: forget
|
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 65 所以就像俺老指出过无数次的那样 wsn们的抱怨核心是钱 和工作时间长短啊 老板极品
不极品啊 千老有没有职业前途啊啥啥的都一点关系没有，千老们工资涨到10万一年，
还是极品老板，还是找不到正式工作，还是天天加班，99%的抱怨都没有了。
要求涨工资天经地义，问题是工资也不是这些“极品老板”定的，或者有权利参与决定
的啊？
need
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】
: lol
: ask your cousins how much they make
: I also know a business owner who work 80- 90 hrs per week, I don't even need
: to know if he is " exempt" or not. lol
:
: You
: work
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 66 Yes, exactly. So it is all about paid. I give you a hint, no one ever
point a gun to your head to be a post-doc or do biological sciences. Go
open a bussiness and see how much money you can actually make (or loss).
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 所以就像俺老指出过无数次的那样 wsn们的抱怨核心是钱 和工作时间长短啊 老板极品
: 不极品啊 千老有没有职业前途啊啥啥的都一点关系没有，千老们工资涨到10万一年，
: 还是极品老板，还是找不到正式工作，还是天天加班，99%的抱怨都没有了。
: 要求涨工资天经地义，问题是工资也不是这些“极品老板”定的，或者有权利参与决定
: 的啊？
:
: need
|
b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 67 这个态度我觉得也不对。postdoc的工资确实是太低了，涨到六七万我觉得才算比较合
理。尤其考虑到postdoc已经慢慢从短期训练性质变成中长期职业性质。
我的意见是老板+postdoc应该都努力去闹去争取。postdoc因为收入问题把火力对准老
板意义很小
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Yes, exactly. So it is all about paid. I give you a hint, no one ever
: point a gun to your head to be a post-doc or do biological sciences. Go
: open a bussiness and see how much money you can actually make (or loss).
|
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 68 Some research associates do earn more than 60-70k a year.
But for fresh postdocs, it is not realistic.
If NIH still dominates the research funding for bio, research postdoc will
not see 60k starting salary. Just look at salaries of the clinical residents
and fellows, who see patients. Even for surgical residents, most of them
get less than 50k starting salaries.
If you can get away with NIH, you may see a big increase of postdoc salaries.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个态度我觉得也不对。postdoc的工资确实是太低了，涨到六七万我觉得才算比较合
: 理。尤其考虑到postdoc已经慢慢从短期训练性质变成中长期职业性质。
: 我的意见是老板+postdoc应该都努力去闹去争取。postdoc因为收入问题把火力对准老
: 板意义很小
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b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 69 部分同意-所以火力应该对着整个体系的建设者，比如NIH。比如说要求提高R01
package size
部分不同意-即便NIH funding size不变，转变研究体系的构成也可以，比如说
decentrilization: 每个lab从常规7-10人，变成常规2-3人，老板自己做实验。实际上
我现在感觉这个可能是最合适的促进原创发现的规模。当然了，做惯了办公室的老板们
可能不高兴。。
residents
salaries.
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: Some research associates do earn more than 60-70k a year.
: But for fresh postdocs, it is not realistic.
: If NIH still dominates the research funding for bio, research postdoc will
: not see 60k starting salary. Just look at salaries of the clinical residents
: and fellows, who see patients. Even for surgical residents, most of them
: get less than 50k starting salaries.
: If you can get away with NIH, you may see a big increase of postdoc salaries.
|
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 70 It is not about the R01 size. It is about the doctor-arrogance.
NIH will never pay PhD postdocs more than what it paid for MD postdocs.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 部分同意-所以火力应该对着整个体系的建设者，比如NIH。比如说要求提高R01
: package size
: 部分不同意-即便NIH funding size不变，转变研究体系的构成也可以，比如说
: decentrilization: 每个lab从常规7-10人，变成常规2-3人，老板自己做实验。实际上
: 我现在感觉这个可能是最合适的促进原创发现的规模。当然了，做惯了办公室的老板们
: 可能不高兴。。
:
: residents
: salaries.
|
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b******k
发帖数: 2321 | 71 这个。。MD postdoc如果实在NIH funded lab工作，那没有理由不和phd postdoc一样
（一样增加）。如果MD postdoc是在类似resident或者fellowship的位置上工作，他们
不是NIH pay，当然也就不归NIH管呀
【在 y******8 的大作中提到】
: It is not about the R01 size. It is about the doctor-arrogance.
: NIH will never pay PhD postdocs more than what it paid for MD postdocs.
|
y******8
发帖数: 1764 | 72 Just take a look of Damon Runyon and Leukemia & Lymphoma Society postdoc
fellowships. You will see two tiers of salaries, basically for PhDs and MDs
respectively.
Most hospitals will feel honored if their residency programs are supported
by NIH. The federal salary guideline is everywhere.
Of course, hospitals have the autonomy to pay residents more. Just like, you
can pay more to your postdoc, much higher than the guidelines.
But, most people just follow the guidelines, especially MDs.
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 这个。。MD postdoc如果实在NIH funded lab工作，那没有理由不和phd postdoc一样
: （一样增加）。如果MD postdoc是在类似resident或者fellowship的位置上工作，他们
: 不是NIH pay，当然也就不归NIH管呀
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t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 73 come back to this more than one year, time to leave.
5 word describe this boss: mean, tough, unreasonable, selfish, over
ambitious. |
F*Q
发帖数: 3259 | 74 如果老板只是pushy而不是小人的话，你也不用太担心，把活干好就行。如果老板是个
小人，那你就会有麻烦。当然，如果老板小人，你即使没发那种邮件也会陷入别的麻烦
。所以说该干啥还是干啥吧，不要纠结。 |
D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 75 学学communication skill吧...就差大写了
理虽然是这么个理 |
h********n
发帖数: 4079 | 76 当年最高法院对于最低工资的判决, 用来反驳你的观点一样适用.
其实我们的工资不完全有市场决定, 而每个人和他所在的利益集团, 都应该为自己的工
资去斗争.
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Yes, exactly. So it is all about paid. I give you a hint, no one ever
: point a gun to your head to be a post-doc or do biological sciences. Go
: open a bussiness and see how much money you can actually make (or loss).
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 77 Wrong, the US supreme court is simply looking at if the federal government
has the right to set a national minimum wage. It has nothing to do with the
market. Also, in some jobs, you still can earn less than minimum wage and
it is exempted from the minimum wage law.
I never said that you cannot fight for your salary. However, the fastest
way to do it is to find a better job (at least a job that pays better). No
one is stopping you.
【在 h********n 的大作中提到】
: 当年最高法院对于最低工资的判决, 用来反驳你的观点一样适用.
: 其实我们的工资不完全有市场决定, 而每个人和他所在的利益集团, 都应该为自己的工
: 资去斗争.
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 78 and you stay for a year?
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: come back to this more than one year, time to leave.
: 5 word describe this boss: mean, tough, unreasonable, selfish, over
: ambitious.
|
t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 79 it takes one year to learn this person's nature. He is upset about this(or
maybe just pretend).
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: and you stay for a year?
|
T*****e
发帖数: 247 | 80
A sad story!
Hope you can move to a better place ASAP and get rid of this completely!
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: it takes one year to learn this person's nature. He is upset about this(or
: maybe just pretend).
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z******n
发帖数: 97 | 81 Exactly, truth hurts. In other words, people probably have to accept the
fact that their salary is a reflection of their talent/contribution,and it
has nothing to do with their previous training, hard work or what so ever.
As ArtyArty said, if the employee were not happy, he could simply quit and
find a better job, or, leave academia and go to industry, which certainly
would offer more competitive package.
the
and
No
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Wrong, the US supreme court is simply looking at if the federal government
: has the right to set a national minimum wage. It has nothing to do with the
: market. Also, in some jobs, you still can earn less than minimum wage and
: it is exempted from the minimum wage law.
: I never said that you cannot fight for your salary. However, the fastest
: way to do it is to find a better job (at least a job that pays better). No
: one is stopping you.
|
l**********8
发帖数: 337 | 82 年轻人，还是太Innocent太冲动。。。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: deleted.
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m********a
发帖数: 12601 | 83 市场经济。J1过来，3万多一年实际到手比美国PHD薄厚4万多还多。愿意做的人多得很
。市场上不缺有7年经验的千老
【在 b******k 的大作中提到】
: 所以就像俺老指出过无数次的那样 wsn们的抱怨核心是钱 和工作时间长短啊 老板极品
: 不极品啊 千老有没有职业前途啊啥啥的都一点关系没有，千老们工资涨到10万一年，
: 还是极品老板，还是找不到正式工作，还是天天加班，99%的抱怨都没有了。
: 要求涨工资天经地义，问题是工资也不是这些“极品老板”定的，或者有权利参与决定
: 的啊？
:
: need
|
c********e
发帖数: 598 | 84
It is a shame you don't have enough money to pay decent postdoc salary.
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Post-doc is salary! Personally, I think the poster is not smooth at all,
: and I will never hire a 7 year post-doc.
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 85 The post-docs gets pay what the NIH dictates (If NIH wants to pay post-docs
70k a year, just give me the money to pay them). Even NIH does not allow
post-doc to go over 5 years. Also, a 7 year post-doc is likely to be less
motivated. Why do I want one unless I know the person personally?
【在 c********e 的大作中提到】
:
: It is a shame you don't have enough money to pay decent postdoc salary.
|
F*Q
发帖数: 3259 | 86 Do you know Linda Buck? How many years was she a postdoc? I do not think she
is alone among Nobel Prize Winners who spent many years on postdoc struggle
. If I recalled correctly, some of Nobel Prize Winners had never been
professors. Therefore, your criterion to judge people's motivation thus
chances to success based on the length of his/her postdoc is not justified.
docs
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: The post-docs gets pay what the NIH dictates (If NIH wants to pay post-docs
: 70k a year, just give me the money to pay them). Even NIH does not allow
: post-doc to go over 5 years. Also, a 7 year post-doc is likely to be less
: motivated. Why do I want one unless I know the person personally?
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A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 87 Of course there are exceptions. Also, it is very different right now
compare to the 70s and 80s. Also, Dr. Buck has a single post-doc. Today,
you just see people hanging around with different PIs fully lack of
motivation to go independent.
I don't know Dr. Buck personally, but strictly speaking, I can call her 师姐
.
she
struggle
【在 F*Q 的大作中提到】
: Do you know Linda Buck? How many years was she a postdoc? I do not think she
: is alone among Nobel Prize Winners who spent many years on postdoc struggle
: . If I recalled correctly, some of Nobel Prize Winners had never been
: professors. Therefore, your criterion to judge people's motivation thus
: chances to success based on the length of his/her postdoc is not justified.
:
: docs
|
F*Q
发帖数: 3259 | 88 Science is more politics and less science now than it was in 70s.
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Of course there are exceptions. Also, it is very different right now
: compare to the 70s and 80s. Also, Dr. Buck has a single post-doc. Today,
: you just see people hanging around with different PIs fully lack of
: motivation to go independent.
: I don't know Dr. Buck personally, but strictly speaking, I can call her 师姐
: .
:
: she
: struggle
|
l******a
发帖数: 3339 | 89 +1
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 把事情做好，该出的结果一定要按时出甚至提前出，他就不会在乎你到底是不是
: 周末来了。
: 但是最近你必须避免和他产生正面冲突。
: 其实他的邮件，你大可以用其他委婉的方法来回绝的，没有必要说得那么狠。
|
t******k
发帖数: 599 | 90 我觉的吧，这种事情就不应该硬碰硬的来，到时候弄的大家都不高兴。处理人际关系不
完全是靠谁占理而因此可以逞口舌之快吧。。。。。 |
|
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d*****n
发帖数: 166 | 91 光脚的不怕穿鞋的，就冲你的email和上来发帖的这股狠劲，你老板就不敢把你咋了，
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: deleted.
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f*******g
发帖数: 245 | 92 说了就说了。 别他妈的的瞻前顾后。
老板，就是资本家，他/她雇佣你为他打工而已，并不会道德高尚地为你打算过。你说
几句为自己，没有错。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: deleted.
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t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 93 True
【在 t******k 的大作中提到】
: 我觉的吧，这种事情就不应该硬碰硬的来，到时候弄的大家都不高兴。处理人际关系不
: 完全是靠谁占理而因此可以逞口舌之快吧。。。。。
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t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 94 确实sad. 过下删主题，都散了吧。
【在 d*****n 的大作中提到】
: 光脚的不怕穿鞋的，就冲你的email和上来发帖的这股狠劲，你老板就不敢把你咋了，
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t*****a
发帖数: 308 | 95 走人倒不是因为这句话，而是后面发生的一些事。
其人一直就劣迹斑斑，只不过我不小心中招而己。人的本性难移。
【在 f*******g 的大作中提到】
: 说了就说了。 别他妈的的瞻前顾后。
: 老板，就是资本家，他/她雇佣你为他打工而已，并不会道德高尚地为你打算过。你说
: 几句为自己，没有错。
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f*******g
发帖数: 245 | 96 你走人了？
你是在这搞创作，增加点击率吧。我跳你这个坑真是无聊。
都转行吧。谁现在care生物。
【在 t*****a 的大作中提到】
: 走人倒不是因为这句话，而是后面发生的一些事。
: 其人一直就劣迹斑斑，只不过我不小心中招而己。人的本性难移。
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