g****s
发帖数: 62 | 1 Glasscat不知为啥没有把他的帖子补完。我也来加上我的2 cents。
我是劝退的。中国的教育文化是功利性的，而很少注重个人的喜好。学而优则仕。追逐
荣誉进而改善生活。至少我这一代人，高考时生物系难进（所以荣耀）又容易出国（改
善生活），所以就进来了。但是久了以后发现生物研究并不能比别的专业带来更多的荣
耀，生活是明显不如同龄的朋友。所以如果没有个人的兴趣在支持，留在生物里就很没
有必要。越早转走越好。
但我还留在生物研究里。以下就是给那些有志于在生物学术道路上走下去的。
I apologize for using English for the remaining, but this allows me to write
much faster.
Even in biomedical studies, there can be multiple paths. There will soon be
more openings in the biotech and pharmaceutical industry when the economy
comes back. However |
l*********s
发帖数: 5409 | |
p***a
发帖数: 6202 | 3 great points.
write
be
【在 g****s 的大作中提到】
: Glasscat不知为啥没有把他的帖子补完。我也来加上我的2 cents。
: 我是劝退的。中国的教育文化是功利性的，而很少注重个人的喜好。学而优则仕。追逐
: 荣誉进而改善生活。至少我这一代人，高考时生物系难进（所以荣耀）又容易出国（改
: 善生活），所以就进来了。但是久了以后发现生物研究并不能比别的专业带来更多的荣
: 耀，生活是明显不如同龄的朋友。所以如果没有个人的兴趣在支持，留在生物里就很没
: 有必要。越早转走越好。
: 但我还留在生物研究里。以下就是给那些有志于在生物学术道路上走下去的。
: I apologize for using English for the remaining, but this allows me to write
: much faster.
: Even in biomedical studies, there can be multiple paths. There will soon be
|
g****s
发帖数: 62 | 4 General aspects (continued)
3) Unless you are ready to go back to China after your training, try to
join at least one lab (out of your Ph.D. and 1-2 postdoc labs) that has a PI
from a western countries and a majority of non-Asian members. There are a
lot of subtle value, culture and other stuffs that you will not learn from a
Chinese PI (for example, how to grab credit without much contribution). You
don’t have to follow what Americans do, but you do need to understand the
situation and know |
h********n
发帖数: 4079 | 5 thank you so much for your thoughts. |
g****s
发帖数: 62 | 6 Graduate studies (First year)
1) Do not join a lab without rotation!!! Simply take a look at how many
people on this board have problems with their mentor and probably their
careers. It is not that the PIs are always evil, but it is all about
chemistry. Also, different people are good at different experiments and
techniques. It is difficult to know whether you will fit the chemistry or
what you are good at without a trial. Rotation is a good thing and will only
help you. This is especially im |
z*******a
发帖数: 175 | |
g****s
发帖数: 62 | 8 Graduate study (later years)
1) Reading papers. This should apply to first year students as well.
Having a few hundred papers in your belly is the best jump start in research
. I don’t mean those papers you scan through within a few minutes. These
have to be the papers that you read carefully and discuss with others. You
have to know (at least conceptually) what the paper try to say, what
technique they use and what is each experiment about. You should judge why
this is a Nature paper instead |
g****s
发帖数: 62 | 9 What I said and what glasscat said will affect your chance of going to a big
name lab... |
s******9
发帖数: 283 | 10 一条又一条， 看得都累。
不同的人，不同的性格和机遇，道路都会很不一样。
我个人以为，是那块料，剩下就是努力和坚持。捷径是有的，但是挫折弯路都会是财富
。 |
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r********7
发帖数: 229 | 11 thanks a looot for sharing--very hands-on and doable! |
C***k
发帖数: 1570 | 12 我觉得这类的帖子还是需要鼓励的，虽然说每个人的经验都不一样，但是从别人的经历
那里总有值得学习的地方，尽管别人的不一定总是适合你自己，但是所谓“见贤思齐焉
，见不贤而内自省焉”，多多交流总是有益的！
【在 s******9 的大作中提到】
: 一条又一条， 看得都累。
: 不同的人，不同的性格和机遇，道路都会很不一样。
: 我个人以为，是那块料，剩下就是努力和坚持。捷径是有的，但是挫折弯路都会是财富
: 。
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B******1
发帖数: 9094 | |
p***a
发帖数: 6202 | 14 挫折弯路是财富也没错；不过如果可以从别人的经验教训里学到这些财富，少浪费精力
和时间，也是很宝贵的。
我觉得lz总结的都非常好，尤其是对在读的各位同学，真是金玉良言。
强烈建议置顶！
【在 s******9 的大作中提到】
: 一条又一条， 看得都累。
: 不同的人，不同的性格和机遇，道路都会很不一样。
: 我个人以为，是那块料，剩下就是努力和坚持。捷径是有的，但是挫折弯路都会是财富
: 。
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g****s
发帖数: 62 | 15 Thanks. I really enjoyed reading your writing about your little genius too.
【在 B******1 的大作中提到】
: Well written. Bravo.
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b******l
发帖数: 1632 | 16 赞
write
be
【在 g****s 的大作中提到】
: Glasscat不知为啥没有把他的帖子补完。我也来加上我的2 cents。
: 我是劝退的。中国的教育文化是功利性的，而很少注重个人的喜好。学而优则仕。追逐
: 荣誉进而改善生活。至少我这一代人，高考时生物系难进（所以荣耀）又容易出国（改
: 善生活），所以就进来了。但是久了以后发现生物研究并不能比别的专业带来更多的荣
: 耀，生活是明显不如同龄的朋友。所以如果没有个人的兴趣在支持，留在生物里就很没
: 有必要。越早转走越好。
: 但我还留在生物研究里。以下就是给那些有志于在生物学术道路上走下去的。
: I apologize for using English for the remaining, but this allows me to write
: much faster.
: Even in biomedical studies, there can be multiple paths. There will soon be
|
g****s
发帖数: 62 | 17 Looking for postdocs
1) As soon as you start your postdoc, the clock is ticking. You are not a
student anymore and are expected to produce. If you are unsuccessful for a
first postdoc, you will have a chance to switch. But after two unfruitful
postdocs, your chance of move on diminishes. So don’t graduate until you
are ready; and choose your postdoc lab very carefully. Most labs have to be
applied one year ahead. So think early.
2) This is your last chance to choose a direction (to some de |
x********u
发帖数: 430 | 18 Very helpful. I will keep it and read it again and again. |
a****o
发帖数: 1786 | |
t******t
发帖数: 14 | |
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b*****r
发帖数: 203 | |
I***a
发帖数: 13467 | |
c**********n
发帖数: 147 | 23 very well said. thank you very much! |
l******n
发帖数: 105 | 24 是啊。而且写得非常深刻、实用。
如果用中文写就更好了：读者起码可以增加300％.
【在 C***k 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得这类的帖子还是需要鼓励的，虽然说每个人的经验都不一样，但是从别人的经历
: 那里总有值得学习的地方，尽管别人的不一定总是适合你自己，但是所谓“见贤思齐焉
: ，见不贤而内自省焉”，多多交流总是有益的！
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A******d
发帖数: 571 | |
f****b
发帖数: 2410 | 26 我不喜欢随大流，发贴也是，在花街有一句，大意是当你在街上听到一句很有哲理的话
，你要立刻意识到实际上已经传了上千遍了，只是你第一次听到，这话用到这里，当你
看到很详细的教你如何如何，已经不关社么用了， |
w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 27 高考生物系难进都是什么时代的事了。
我老人家那时候（93年）都已经不是这样的。
再者说了，高考都多少年了，能否撇开那一次考试来定义自己？
在我眼里，高考和中考同样的性质，
如果你不再吹嘘你中考的伟大，
那就同样，forget all about that exam, or any exams.
write
be
【在 g****s 的大作中提到】
: Glasscat不知为啥没有把他的帖子补完。我也来加上我的2 cents。
: 我是劝退的。中国的教育文化是功利性的，而很少注重个人的喜好。学而优则仕。追逐
: 荣誉进而改善生活。至少我这一代人，高考时生物系难进（所以荣耀）又容易出国（改
: 善生活），所以就进来了。但是久了以后发现生物研究并不能比别的专业带来更多的荣
: 耀，生活是明显不如同龄的朋友。所以如果没有个人的兴趣在支持，留在生物里就很没
: 有必要。越早转走越好。
: 但我还留在生物研究里。以下就是给那些有志于在生物学术道路上走下去的。
: I apologize for using English for the remaining, but this allows me to write
: much faster.
: Even in biomedical studies, there can be multiple paths. There will soon be
|
R*****o
发帖数: 14902 | 28 你高考没考好
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 高考生物系难进都是什么时代的事了。
: 我老人家那时候（93年）都已经不是这样的。
: 再者说了，高考都多少年了，能否撇开那一次考试来定义自己？
: 在我眼里，高考和中考同样的性质，
: 如果你不再吹嘘你中考的伟大，
: 那就同样，forget all about that exam, or any exams.
:
: write
: be
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g****s
发帖数: 62 | 29 First, the visa issue is an HR issue, but not an PI issue.
Second, taking a postdoc is a very serious thing even for big names - it is
a >200k commitment (3 years salary + 40% benefit and other charge +
experiment cost). If somebody decline your offer because of 2k fee and a
little bit hassle to HR, it may not be a good place to go anyway...
Third, I am not at UC so I don't know all the details. But I suggest this to a friend a while back and it worked. Recently I saw a lawyer mention this trick
【在 A******d 的大作中提到】
: UC的那个，要是人家干脆不要你那怎么办？
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D*a
发帖数: 6830 | 30 我觉得lz写得非常实用
就算已经传了上千遍, 只要我第一次听到,对我有用就是了
【在 f****b 的大作中提到】
: 我不喜欢随大流，发贴也是，在花街有一句，大意是当你在街上听到一句很有哲理的话
: ，你要立刻意识到实际上已经传了上千遍了，只是你第一次听到，这话用到这里，当你
: 看到很详细的教你如何如何，已经不关社么用了，
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g****s
发帖数: 62 | 31 Postdoc years.
1) As soon as you start your postdoc, the clock is ticking. The sweet
spot to get a job is 3-8 years. Don’t laugh, because 8 years can pass very
quickly. If you are beyond 10 years, forget it unless you can justify that
you were sick for a few years or you have to stay home for kids.
2) The expectation to a postdoc is completely different than that of a
student. A student can make mistakes, and can take time to develop; but a
postdoc is supposed to be a matured scientist who |
t**********n
发帖数: 283 | 32 Very good points!!! I should have learned all of these earlier. Thank you
very much.
write
be
【在 g****s 的大作中提到】
: Glasscat不知为啥没有把他的帖子补完。我也来加上我的2 cents。
: 我是劝退的。中国的教育文化是功利性的，而很少注重个人的喜好。学而优则仕。追逐
: 荣誉进而改善生活。至少我这一代人，高考时生物系难进（所以荣耀）又容易出国（改
: 善生活），所以就进来了。但是久了以后发现生物研究并不能比别的专业带来更多的荣
: 耀，生活是明显不如同龄的朋友。所以如果没有个人的兴趣在支持，留在生物里就很没
: 有必要。越早转走越好。
: 但我还留在生物研究里。以下就是给那些有志于在生物学术道路上走下去的。
: I apologize for using English for the remaining, but this allows me to write
: much faster.
: Even in biomedical studies, there can be multiple paths. There will soon be
|
g****s
发帖数: 62 | 33 It might take a while to write how to get a faculty job. Before that, a few
sporadic things.
1) Developing new projects. If you are ever in the position to develop a
new project by yourself and do not have an immediate good direction, there
are a couple of possibilities:
a. According to MM Poo, you can try to repeat a text book experiment
using a new technique. The worst is a OK publication that confirms the early
result. If anything different, you have a high profile paper.
b. Charact |
p*****m
发帖数: 7030 | 34 写得很不错啊 能不能认识你下 呵呵
few
a
early
loweset
By
【在 g****s 的大作中提到】
: It might take a while to write how to get a faculty job. Before that, a few
: sporadic things.
: 1) Developing new projects. If you are ever in the position to develop a
: new project by yourself and do not have an immediate good direction, there
: are a couple of possibilities:
: a. According to MM Poo, you can try to repeat a text book experiment
: using a new technique. The worst is a OK publication that confirms the early
: result. If anything different, you have a high profile paper.
: b. Charact
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g****s
发帖数: 62 | 35 还是先不忙。我这两天好为人师的RP大爆发。自己都很不好意思。
【在 p*****m 的大作中提到】
: 写得很不错啊 能不能认识你下 呵呵
:
: few
: a
: early
: loweset
: By
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f********n
发帖数: 6465 | |
k******n
发帖数: 133 | 37 You are my hero. This is the most systematic analysis on how to become
successful in biological field. You have nailed the issues in a
straightfowrad, down to earth manner. Thank you, bro.
Most books on career development tends to be subtle and less confrontational
than this, although the ideas implicated are about the same.
a
a
be
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【在 g****s 的大作中提到】
: Looking for postdocs
: 1) As soon as you start your postdoc, the clock is ticking. You are not a
: student anymore and are expected to produce. If you are unsuccessful for a
: first postdoc, you will have a chance to switch. But after two unfruitful
: postdocs, your chance of move on diminishes. So don’t graduate until you
: are ready; and choose your postdoc lab very carefully. Most labs have to be
: applied one year ahead. So think early.
: 2) This is your last chance to choose a direction (to some de
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g****s
发帖数: 62 | 38 I am not an expert in switching... It probably depends which direction you
want to go. One thing for sure - determination. I have seen people swinging
back and forth for years before they eventually make a decision.
Once you make up your mind, and as long as your boss is not too WS, it is
better to communicate with your boss. Give a good reason and communicate in
a nice, but firm way. One of our friends get his Ph.D. in three year so that
he could move on to a law school. Other boss may allow yo
【在 f********n 的大作中提到】
: 那你好人做到底。
: 说说该如何转专业吧。
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r*******d
发帖数: 958 | 39 Great post, thanks for sharing.
really enjoy reading it. |
g******t
发帖数: 20 | 40 Great job.
Your work makes this forum so attractive to young biologists. The host did
top your posts because your English is way much better than mine :) I just
updated my article on this forum in order to share your popularity.
One suggestion: you may sum your posts into one at the beginning after you
think you are done. Otherwise people may miss your very helpful information
. I did this in my thread, and wish the host to top my article, too :) I
think this is the best way to help as many pe |
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h***a
发帖数: 145 | 41 thanks op.
appreciate it |
b******k
发帖数: 1874 | 42 我也同意。我们可能是第一个听到，也可能是一千个。
另外，对所有的观点或者建议，都要有自己的消化（judgement，呵呵？），而不是看是
否流行，或者说是第几个，对不？
这段时间，我在生物版看到好多 好 文章了，mitbbs也不全是坑了。呵呵。
多谢LZ.
【在 D*a 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得lz写得非常实用
: 就算已经传了上千遍, 只要我第一次听到,对我有用就是了
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