z*n
发帖数: 1008 | 1 再白给的击球手看过两次，打过两次也知道球路了，下次瞄着预测他的轨迹抡棒子不就
完了，反正他一
成不变的cutter。
cutter又不是像knuckle ball那样测不准，cutter是可预测的。
谁讲讲为啥Mo这么成功呢，再没有别的mlb投手一招鲜吃遍天的乐吧？ |
m*m
发帖数: 260 | 2 Tim Wakefield and his knuckleball, but he could very shaky.
Mo's cutter is used to set up backdoor breaking ball for lefty, or high
fastball. How many times did you see a lefty back off a step to hit his
cutter, you know how devastating that is; then the next thing you know i
s a backdoor slider struck you out. He's unique because of his control.
Lidge and Krod both has devastating split finger curveballs as their out
-pitch. But the thing is as successful as they have been, they could sti
ll t
【在 z*n 的大作中提到】
: 再白给的击球手看过两次，打过两次也知道球路了，下次瞄着预测他的轨迹抡棒子不就
: 完了，反正他一
: 成不变的cutter。
: cutter又不是像knuckle ball那样测不准，cutter是可预测的。
: 谁讲讲为啥Mo这么成功呢，再没有别的mlb投手一招鲜吃遍天的乐吧？
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t*******n
发帖数: 356 | 3 Lidge的心理素质不行,顺的时候经常3k,不顺的时候被连着打
Krod太emotional
MO就是心理素质好加上稳准狠,hitter很多都是没打前都泄气了. |
z*n
发帖数: 1008 | 4 我原来的问题不是比较哪个投手优秀。我是比较纳闷：为什么老Mo每个球都投cutter的
时候打手们也都
很泄气。好多情况下我看他是100%的cutter，球性没有变化（location变化不算），从
击球手角
度，这个怎么不好打？
【在 t*******n 的大作中提到】
: Lidge的心理素质不行,顺的时候经常3k,不顺的时候被连着打
: Krod太emotional
: MO就是心理素质好加上稳准狠,hitter很多都是没打前都泄气了.
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z*n
发帖数: 1008 | 5 我怎么看他cutter从头到尾，不是用来setup什么curve，fastball什么的。
【在 m*m 的大作中提到】
: Tim Wakefield and his knuckleball, but he could very shaky.
: Mo's cutter is used to set up backdoor breaking ball for lefty, or high
: fastball. How many times did you see a lefty back off a step to hit his
: cutter, you know how devastating that is; then the next thing you know i
: s a backdoor slider struck you out. He's unique because of his control.
: Lidge and Krod both has devastating split finger curveballs as their out
: -pitch. But the thing is as successful as they have been, they could sti
: ll t
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c********x
发帖数: 232 | 6 It is all about control. :) when pitchers make their pitch, hitters (normall
y) out.
【在 z*n 的大作中提到】
: 再白给的击球手看过两次，打过两次也知道球路了，下次瞄着预测他的轨迹抡棒子不就
: 完了，反正他一
: 成不变的cutter。
: cutter又不是像knuckle ball那样测不准，cutter是可预测的。
: 谁讲讲为啥Mo这么成功呢，再没有别的mlb投手一招鲜吃遍天的乐吧？
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t*a
发帖数: 18880 | 7 记得 超级马力在和AZ一场保住胜利果实后伏在投手丘上孩子般的大哭...
【在 t*******n 的大作中提到】
: Lidge的心理素质不行,顺的时候经常3k,不顺的时候被连着打
: Krod太emotional
: MO就是心理素质好加上稳准狠,hitter很多都是没打前都泄气了.
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m*m
发帖数: 260 | 8 2003 ALCS Gm 7
【在 t*a 的大作中提到】
: 记得 超级马力在和AZ一场保住胜利果实后伏在投手丘上孩子般的大哭...
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t*a
发帖数: 18880 | 9 no. vs AZ should be WS, and not GM7, maybe game 4 or 5, at NYY, and NY wins.
【在 m*m 的大作中提到】
: 2003 ALCS Gm 7
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m*r
发帖数: 37612 | 10 nod, az是nl球队，怎么会在alcs出现？
wins.
【在 t*a 的大作中提到】
: no. vs AZ should be WS, and not GM7, maybe game 4 or 5, at NYY, and NY wins.
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m*m
发帖数: 260 | 11 no, I know what you referred to. I mean in Gm7 2003 ALCS Mo also collap
sed on the mound after he pitched 3 innings.
wins.
【在 t*a 的大作中提到】
: no. vs AZ should be WS, and not GM7, maybe game 4 or 5, at NYY, and NY wins.
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 12 主要还是control。
"Rivera has achieved his success with a smooth, "fluid" pitching delivery,[
83] as an easily repeatable throwing motion allows a pitcher to yield
consistent results."
【在 z*n 的大作中提到】
: 再白给的击球手看过两次，打过两次也知道球路了，下次瞄着预测他的轨迹抡棒子不就
: 完了，反正他一
: 成不变的cutter。
: cutter又不是像knuckle ball那样测不准，cutter是可预测的。
: 谁讲讲为啥Mo这么成功呢，再没有别的mlb投手一招鲜吃遍天的乐吧？
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x**h
发帖数: 1564 | 13 没有把，我就没见过Mo投slider
基本就是cutter和4FB
【在 m*m 的大作中提到】
: Tim Wakefield and his knuckleball, but he could very shaky.
: Mo's cutter is used to set up backdoor breaking ball for lefty, or high
: fastball. How many times did you see a lefty back off a step to hit his
: cutter, you know how devastating that is; then the next thing you know i
: s a backdoor slider struck you out. He's unique because of his control.
: Lidge and Krod both has devastating split finger curveballs as their out
: -pitch. But the thing is as successful as they have been, they could sti
: ll t
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m*m
发帖数: 260 | 14 I call his backdoor breaking ball against lefties slider, though I admit
I don't know his actual grip.
【在 x**h 的大作中提到】
: 没有把，我就没见过Mo投slider
: 基本就是cutter和4FB
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b*****u
发帖数: 1978 | 15 Last month on Sports Illustrated, TOM VERDUCCI wrote an article about MO,
which includes this topic - his cutter. You may read it hear (quite long):
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160757/index.htm
Several bullet points:
(1) Rivera did not LEARN how to pitch this cutter. It just happened to him
on one afternoon in 1997, when he suddenly was unable to throw his signature
four-seam fastball - it always cut to his dismay. He assured the catcher
that he was not doing it i |
m*m
发帖数: 260 | 16 I like him because, not like Mourinho, he never called himself "special one"
.
signature
mistake" |
a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 17 Rivera is probably a double-A pitcher at best without his cutter.
anyone here knows Bruce Sutter? a great closer during the 80's. he
popularized a pitch called "split-finger fastball", like how rivera is known
for his cutter. he also would be nobody without his signature pitch. |
t*****s
发帖数: 1240 | 18 no he didn't. he pitched 3 shutout innings in game 7 of 2003 alcs and
left the mount quitely. i mean how can he show any emtional at that
time? the game was still tied at 5-5 after 11 innings when he left
the mount. of course,
mr.boone had a homerun to end the epic game.
【在 m*m 的大作中提到】
: no, I know what you referred to. I mean in Gm7 2003 ALCS Mo also collap
: sed on the mound after he pitched 3 innings.
:
: wins.
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 19 that was a perfect example of how a no-name player can write his name in
history with one swing of the bat...
boone is an analyst for espn radio now.
【在 t*****s 的大作中提到】
: no he didn't. he pitched 3 shutout innings in game 7 of 2003 alcs and
: left the mount quitely. i mean how can he show any emtional at that
: time? the game was still tied at 5-5 after 11 innings when he left
: the mount. of course,
: mr.boone had a homerun to end the epic game.
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r**********e
发帖数: 2821 | 20 马力主要是靠一流控球，92mph速球如果都挂角，也不好打到，cutter切左投内角让打
手很难受。但马力的球没有速差，如果对手看得太多了就不好说了，对红袜的blow
save高达三成几率。
【在 z*n 的大作中提到】
: 再白给的击球手看过两次，打过两次也知道球路了，下次瞄着预测他的轨迹抡棒子不就
: 完了，反正他一
: 成不变的cutter。
: cutter又不是像knuckle ball那样测不准，cutter是可预测的。
: 谁讲讲为啥Mo这么成功呢，再没有别的mlb投手一招鲜吃遍天的乐吧？
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B*****y
发帖数: 843 | 21 记得他接受采访的时候说过，14岁的时候孤身来到美国训练，每天晚上都是在被窝里哭
着睡着的
signature
mistake"
【在 b*****u 的大作中提到】
: Last month on Sports Illustrated, TOM VERDUCCI wrote an article about MO,
: which includes this topic - his cutter. You may read it hear (quite long):
: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1160757/index.htm
: Several bullet points:
: (1) Rivera did not LEARN how to pitch this cutter. It just happened to him
: on one afternoon in 1997, when he suddenly was unable to throw his signature
: four-seam fastball - it always cut to his dismay. He assured the catcher
: that he was not doing it i
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A*******e
发帖数: 12486 | 22 老家哪里？
,
):
him
catcher
The
【在 B*****y 的大作中提到】
: 记得他接受采访的时候说过，14岁的时候孤身来到美国训练，每天晚上都是在被窝里哭
: 着睡着的
:
: signature
: mistake"
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B*****y
发帖数: 843 | 23 巴拿马，记得有一次他巴拿马家里出事（有个工人淹死在他家游泳池里），他跑回去处
理，处理完当天飞回纽约，球队用直升机把他从机场运到比赛现场，因为他说他可以投
，结果那天也没有save situation
【在 A*******e 的大作中提到】
: 老家哪里？
:
: ,
: ):
: him
: catcher
: The
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A*******e
发帖数: 12486 | 24 泳池是他发财之后造的？
【在 B*****y 的大作中提到】
: 巴拿马，记得有一次他巴拿马家里出事（有个工人淹死在他家游泳池里），他跑回去处
: 理，处理完当天飞回纽约，球队用直升机把他从机场运到比赛现场，因为他说他可以投
: ，结果那天也没有save situation
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s*****c
发帖数: 753 | 25 If batters know the cutter is coming, why can't they hit it? First, Rivera
throws enough variations of the cutter to keep hitters honest. He can throw
the classic cutter on the hands of a lefty or he can start it off the plate
and cut it back to the outside corner, known as the backdoor cutter. Further
, by varying the pressure from his fingertips, he can vary how much the ball
cuts. And finally, he almost never misses his intended spot.
"A lot of lefthanded hitters like the ball down and in," s
【在 z*n 的大作中提到】
: 再白给的击球手看过两次，打过两次也知道球路了，下次瞄着预测他的轨迹抡棒子不就
: 完了，反正他一
: 成不变的cutter。
: cutter又不是像knuckle ball那样测不准，cutter是可预测的。
: 谁讲讲为啥Mo这么成功呢，再没有别的mlb投手一招鲜吃遍天的乐吧？
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 26 Rivera's success with the cutter has influenced an entire generation of
pitchers, much as Sutter did with his split-finger in the 1980s.
这就是我之前说得那位，一个人使一种pitch兴起。 |
m*m
发帖数: 260 | 27 man, you need to watch that game's video again.
After Boone's HR, Mo rushed to the field along with other celebrating te
ammates, but he just crouched on the mound and kept crying with his head
down for a long time. That's what I meant he "collapsed" as that's som
ething you rarely see from him. Trust me, I watched enough Yanks game a
nd remembered every piece of details in that particular one.
【在 t*****s 的大作中提到】
: no he didn't. he pitched 3 shutout innings in game 7 of 2003 alcs and
: left the mount quitely. i mean how can he show any emtional at that
: time? the game was still tied at 5-5 after 11 innings when he left
: the mount. of course,
: mr.boone had a homerun to end the epic game.
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 28 真的？我从来没有听说过mo还哭过，现在谈到他怎么都不说这段故事了。
【在 m*m 的大作中提到】
: man, you need to watch that game's video again.
: After Boone's HR, Mo rushed to the field along with other celebrating te
: ammates, but he just crouched on the mound and kept crying with his head
: down for a long time. That's what I meant he "collapsed" as that's som
: ething you rarely see from him. Trust me, I watched enough Yanks game a
: nd remembered every piece of details in that particular one.
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g*****s
发帖数: 727 | 29 我给你举个反例：
比如狗狗公司，就search一招吃遍天，不照样红得发紫？
【在 z*n 的大作中提到】
: 再白给的击球手看过两次，打过两次也知道球路了，下次瞄着预测他的轨迹抡棒子不就
: 完了，反正他一
: 成不变的cutter。
: cutter又不是像knuckle ball那样测不准，cutter是可预测的。
: 谁讲讲为啥Mo这么成功呢，再没有别的mlb投手一招鲜吃遍天的乐吧？
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a*****i
发帖数: 4391 | 30
他这是激动得哭乐。
负责torre will ask him to keep pitching until his arm fell off. :)))
【在 a********l 的大作中提到】
: 真的？我从来没有听说过mo还哭过，现在谈到他怎么都不说这段故事了。
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