W*********n
发帖数: 4624 | 1 把近来不可一世的李龙大/郑在成给灭了。第三局决胜局只让对手得了八分！以前郭政
东和谢中博配对的时候我从没有看到过经典的比赛。柴彪和张楠配对时候打的是快，平
抽挡多，技术不错，但失误也多。现在这俩对上了，看看明年奥运能不能参加。 | b*****t
发帖数: 3928 | 2 难道郑在成也老了？
看到有Halim/Eve Lee打混双，qualification都冲不出去。岁月不饶人啊。 | W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 3 links for video?
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 难道郑在成也老了？
: 看到有Halim/Eve Lee打混双，qualification都冲不出去。岁月不饶人啊。
| b*****t
发帖数: 3928 | 4 我没有看视频，只看了一下比分。
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: links for video?
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 5 I c. Thanks, Maybe woodtitan has some links.
I have gotta say that I think Eve Lee's face looks weird. Probably just me
though. :)
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 我没有看视频，只看了一下比分。
| b*****z
发帖数: 757 | 6 halim巅的时候打混双吗？
【在 b*****t 的大作中提到】
: 难道郑在成也老了？
: 看到有Halim/Eve Lee打混双，qualification都冲不出去。岁月不饶人啊。
| c***y
发帖数: 233 | 7 do man want thick road
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: I c. Thanks, Maybe woodtitan has some links.
: I have gotta say that I think Eve Lee's face looks weird. Probably just me
: though. :)
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 8 just a simple observation and wonder whether anyone thinks the same.
【在 c***y 的大作中提到】
: do man want thick road
| l*********y
发帖数: 3447 | 9 even they do i guess they are nice enough not to speak out
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: just a simple observation and wonder whether anyone thinks the same.
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 10 Even though your reply could have implied that some might agree with my
statement, I see your point. Suppose it is a balance of truth, sensitivity
and political correctness.
This somehow reminds of the discussion whether wikileaks should have
released those documents.
Oh well, I rarely say things like that and the few times that I do, I got
caught. :) Let's stop here before it gets blown out of proportion.
【在 l*********y 的大作中提到】
: even they do i guess they are nice enough not to speak out
| | | m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 11 truth has nothing to do with what you said. it is a case of complete
subjectivity.
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: Even though your reply could have implied that some might agree with my
: statement, I see your point. Suppose it is a balance of truth, sensitivity
: and political correctness.
: This somehow reminds of the discussion whether wikileaks should have
: released those documents.
: Oh well, I rarely say things like that and the few times that I do, I got
: caught. :) Let's stop here before it gets blown out of proportion.
| c***y
发帖数: 233 | 12 我都看不懂你们的英文在说什么
还是我的英文好，浅显易懂
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: truth has nothing to do with what you said. it is a case of complete
: subjectivity.
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 13 A quote from wiki
"Various theories and views of truth continue to be debated among scholars
and philosophers. There are differing claims on such questions as what
constitutes truth; what things are truthbearers capable of being true or
false; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and
acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative,
objective, or absolute."
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: truth has nothing to do with what you said. it is a case of complete
: subjectivity.
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 14 so you gonna wax philosophical now?
for the reocrd, i think you have the support of the US supreme court on your
side.
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: A quote from wiki
: "Various theories and views of truth continue to be debated among scholars
: and philosophers. There are differing claims on such questions as what
: constitutes truth; what things are truthbearers capable of being true or
: false; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and
: acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative,
: objective, or absolute."
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 15 What does "wax philosophical" mean? I don't understand this expression.
Actually, I rather just stop discussing this topic. :) This will lead to
nowhere anyways.
your
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: so you gonna wax philosophical now?
: for the reocrd, i think you have the support of the US supreme court on your
: side.
| l*********y
发帖数: 3447 | 16 if I were you I would try to argue "weird" could be a positive word and if I
were good I would try to persuade people it contains the meaning of
attractive, cute, sadness that make people pleasant...instead of making an
effort as you did which does not make you look any better...
anyway, it is an interesting discussion.
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: A quote from wiki
: "Various theories and views of truth continue to be debated among scholars
: and philosophers. There are differing claims on such questions as what
: constitutes truth; what things are truthbearers capable of being true or
: false; how to define and identify truth; the roles that revealed and
: acquired knowledge play; and whether truth is subjective, relative,
: objective, or absolute."
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 17 that's ok. the discussion just got interesting.
if truth can be subject, relative, and all those things, then, does untruth
still exist?
in other words, I can make a subjectively truthful statement: all things
can be put into one of the following buckets, absolute truth, relative truth
, objective truth, or subjective truth. and the concept of false, is really
unnecessary.
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: What does "wax philosophical" mean? I don't understand this expression.
: Actually, I rather just stop discussing this topic. :) This will lead to
: nowhere anyways.
:
: your
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 18 Well, I suppose I did not want to state anything that differ from my own
thoughts, though I would think that "weird" is a rather neutral word.
I
【在 l*********y 的大作中提到】
: if I were you I would try to argue "weird" could be a positive word and if I
: were good I would try to persuade people it contains the meaning of
: attractive, cute, sadness that make people pleasant...instead of making an
: effort as you did which does not make you look any better...
: anyway, it is an interesting discussion.
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 19 I would argue that untruth still exists.
Take the case for subjective truth, the subjective opinion could very well
differ from the voiced statement the same subject make, for a variety of
reasons such as self-interest, political correctness, etc. I would say that
this conflict between the voiced statement and the subjective opinion in
this particular case does not fall in any of the basket u mentioned. Though
I do admit that such conflict is extremely difficult to detect.
untruth
truth
really
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: that's ok. the discussion just got interesting.
: if truth can be subject, relative, and all those things, then, does untruth
: still exist?
: in other words, I can make a subjectively truthful statement: all things
: can be put into one of the following buckets, absolute truth, relative truth
: , objective truth, or subjective truth. and the concept of false, is really
: unnecessary.
| S**U
发帖数: 7025 | | | | m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 21 the voiced statement doesn't necessarily need to be the subjective truth of
the person who voiced it. as long as somebody thinks it is truthful, then,
it is still truth.
for example, two candidates with different idealogy could indeed say the
same things, for political correctness, but one of them is, for sake of this
debate, lying. but that statement is still truth, doesn't matter who said.
in fact, both of them said the same thing.
that
Though
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: I would argue that untruth still exists.
: Take the case for subjective truth, the subjective opinion could very well
: differ from the voiced statement the same subject make, for a variety of
: reasons such as self-interest, political correctness, etc. I would say that
: this conflict between the voiced statement and the subjective opinion in
: this particular case does not fall in any of the basket u mentioned. Though
: I do admit that such conflict is extremely difficult to detect.
:
: untruth
: truth
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 22 Yes, I agree. However, as you explained, for the voiced statement to be
considered truth, it must have the necessary condition that "as long as
somebody thinks it is truthful".
In order to disprove the existence of untruth, one must prove that Set1 "
lying, i.e., voiced statement conflicts with the same subject's opinion" is
necessarily the same set as Set2 "lying, i.e., voiced statement conflicts
with the same subject's opinion, however, the voiced statement is believed
by someone else."
It would be relatively easy to think of an example, or even to realize an
example that belongs to Set1 but not to Set2.
of
then,
this
said.
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: the voiced statement doesn't necessarily need to be the subjective truth of
: the person who voiced it. as long as somebody thinks it is truthful, then,
: it is still truth.
: for example, two candidates with different idealogy could indeed say the
: same things, for political correctness, but one of them is, for sake of this
: debate, lying. but that statement is still truth, doesn't matter who said.
: in fact, both of them said the same thing.
:
: that
: Though
| W*N
发帖数: 1354 | | b*****t
发帖数: 3928 | 24 没听说过。不过那么牛的双打，混双也应该可以混口饭吧。前几天看到Halim 08年就来
过sd 打
DaveFreeman，我还以为他刚来没多久。
【在 b*****z 的大作中提到】
: halim巅的时候打混双吗？
| m****r
发帖数: 6639 | 25 ok, go ahead and constrct one.
is
【在 W*N 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I agree. However, as you explained, for the voiced statement to be
: considered truth, it must have the necessary condition that "as long as
: somebody thinks it is truthful".
: In order to disprove the existence of untruth, one must prove that Set1 "
: lying, i.e., voiced statement conflicts with the same subject's opinion" is
: necessarily the same set as Set2 "lying, i.e., voiced statement conflicts
: with the same subject's opinion, however, the voiced statement is believed
: by someone else."
: It would be relatively easy to think of an example, or even to realize an
: example that belongs to Set1 but not to Set2.
| u**********i
发帖数: 146 | | k*****9
发帖数: 4079 | 27 大家的英文真是好啊，景仰一下！
of
then,
this
said.
【在 m****r 的大作中提到】
: the voiced statement doesn't necessarily need to be the subjective truth of
: the person who voiced it. as long as somebody thinks it is truthful, then,
: it is still truth.
: for example, two candidates with different idealogy could indeed say the
: same things, for political correctness, but one of them is, for sake of this
: debate, lying. but that statement is still truth, doesn't matter who said.
: in fact, both of them said the same thing.
:
: that
: Though
| s**********l
发帖数: 8966 | | W*********n
发帖数: 4624 | 29 谢谢seeu和sighfromsoul的links。 |
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