f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 1 所谓的Model 3不会过热那是特粉胡说骗人的。
实际车主反映说model 3性能版新车提车2个月（其中6个星期车子躺在service center
里维修），实际上只开了2个星期（看帖子#78楼）。现在开车加速稍微快一些，过2分
钟电池马上就过热进入保护状态，车子输出限制成普通版那样，要停在路边休息散热5
分钟之后才能恢复正常。所以日常使用中，Model 3 Performance实际上等效于当成普
通版来开。
https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/could-tesla-be-power-limiting-p3d.
135235/
这么多麻烦，还不如直接$26k买辆5.7L V8的300S，这个价钱已经是高配，这车油门踩
尽在高速上狂奔几个小时，性能照样没变化。油门踩尽肯定well above speed limit好
多倍了，几个小时不停肯定会被警察盯上。目前警车里面只有配了同样发动机的
Charger才能追得上，或者出动直升机。 |
f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 2 Model 3 Performance版硬件上其实就是AWD普通版，软件不同而已。
这就好比BMW 3系，假如硬件上（发动机、变速箱、悬挂）320i和M3一模一样，区别只
是320i的ECU软件把输出限制低一些，请问M3的买家心理上能接受吗？
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【在 f******t 的大作中提到】
: 所谓的Model 3不会过热那是特粉胡说骗人的。
: 实际车主反映说model 3性能版新车提车2个月（其中6个星期车子躺在service center
: 里维修），实际上只开了2个星期（看帖子#78楼）。现在开车加速稍微快一些，过2分
: 钟电池马上就过热进入保护状态，车子输出限制成普通版那样，要停在路边休息散热5
: 分钟之后才能恢复正常。所以日常使用中，Model 3 Performance实际上等效于当成普
: 通版来开。
: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/could-tesla-be-power-limiting-p3d.
: 135235/
: 这么多麻烦，还不如直接$26k买辆5.7L V8的300S，这个价钱已经是高配，这车油门踩
: 尽在高速上狂奔几个小时，性能照样没变化。油门踩尽肯定well above speed limit好
|
f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 3 在刚刚爆出来的elon musk和一位前员工发生肢体接触的事件里面，根据当时目击者和
当事人的证词，elon musk当时对当事人疯狂咆哮：“我要用核弹把你炸了”（"I will
nuke you"）。
一个成年人说这样的话，脑子有问题。想想在这种神智之下搞出来的车子，肯定是极不
靠谱的。 |
Y***i
发帖数: 1932 | |
I****s
发帖数: 1167 | 5 elon整天承受的压力其实常人能比的。偶尔失控有情可原。哥的公司原来有阵不景气的
时候，天天压力那个大呀，不是一般打工的能想象的。你不在那个位子上，就不要用自
己的想法去套了。
will
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】
: 在刚刚爆出来的elon musk和一位前员工发生肢体接触的事件里面，根据当时目击者和
: 当事人的证词，elon musk当时对当事人疯狂咆哮：“我要用核弹把你炸了”（"I will
: nuke you"）。
: 一个成年人说这样的话，脑子有问题。想想在这种神智之下搞出来的车子，肯定是极不
: 靠谱的。
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J***n
发帖数: 210 | 6
I read all five pages of that discussion just now. The issue was resolved in
the end and I find it totally reasonable that Tesla limited performance in
NORMAL mode while have the limits higher in TRACK mode. Do you agree?
Nothing is taken away but put into a different place?
I suspect you read that part too but just to post to make Tesla cars look
bad with some self-serving agenda?
It seems that you follow Tesla news diligently so you should already know
the recent firmware increase the power and top speed limit. They are also
working on a firmware that further increase the high speed performance of
P3D. But I doubt you would like to talk about those.
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】
: Model 3 Performance版硬件上其实就是AWD普通版，软件不同而已。
: 这就好比BMW 3系，假如硬件上（发动机、变速箱、悬挂）320i和M3一模一样，区别只
: 是320i的ECU软件把输出限制低一些，请问M3的买家心理上能接受吗？
:
: center
: 5
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f*****h
发帖数: 4489 | 7 油车和电车的理念本事就是不同的
油车ecu把发动机功率改变后 进排气 变速箱 管路走向 配套部件都有可能要做相应改变
而电车就不需要这么多麻烦 直接升级软件 电池功率都可以轻松改变
所以你把这两个放在一起说事并没有说服力
：Model 3 Performance版硬件上其实就是AWD普通版，软件不同而已。
： |
l**p
发帖数: 6080 | 8 造谣吧
不是model3都跑赛道秒这个秒那个吗
两分钟就过热一定是司机劣等
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【在 f******t 的大作中提到】
: 所谓的Model 3不会过热那是特粉胡说骗人的。
: 实际车主反映说model 3性能版新车提车2个月（其中6个星期车子躺在service center
: 里维修），实际上只开了2个星期（看帖子#78楼）。现在开车加速稍微快一些，过2分
: 钟电池马上就过热进入保护状态，车子输出限制成普通版那样，要停在路边休息散热5
: 分钟之后才能恢复正常。所以日常使用中，Model 3 Performance实际上等效于当成普
: 通版来开。
: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/could-tesla-be-power-limiting-p3d.
: 135235/
: 这么多麻烦，还不如直接$26k买辆5.7L V8的300S，这个价钱已经是高配，这车油门踩
: 尽在高速上狂奔几个小时，性能照样没变化。油门踩尽肯定well above speed limit好
|
g******z
发帖数: 5809 | |
w**********g
发帖数: 5486 | 10 别矫情了
[在 Ignius (Hyperion) 的大作中提到：]
:elon整天承受的压力其实常人能比的。偶尔失控有情可原。哥的公司原来有阵不景气
的时候，天天压力那个大呀，不是一般打工的能想象的。你不在那个位子上，就不要用
自己的想法去套了。
:will |
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w**********g
发帖数: 5486 | 11 lol
[在 lasp ( b) 的大作中提到：]
:造谣吧
:不是model3都跑赛道秒这个秒那个吗
:两分钟就过热一定是司机劣等
:center |
f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 12 帖主明确描述了症状：
I did more tests today. I noticed that sometimes when I push the car hard
the fan goes on loud and others times it does not (same conditions). When
the fan goes on loud I have a very hard time getting the dots no matter how
hard I push it and this is how it used to behave all the time. Now this
happens only about 10% of the time. The other 90% of the time the fan does
not go on or if/when it does it is supper quiet. It is those times the heat
soaking happens very quickly (2 minutes). So my conclusion is that my fan is
not broken but there is a screwy algorithm, probably released with one of
the last updates, that prevents the fan from engaging properly like it use
to. In such instances not only is the heat soaking immediate but recovery
from it is horrendously slow (sat by the side of the road for 5 min).
除非设成track mode，否则开2分钟就过热保护。这就好比买了M3或者C63 AMG的，除非
设成赛道模式，否则开个2分钟ECU就把你车子变成一辆320i或者C200，你作为用户干不
干？
另外能不能不用全英文回帖。
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【在 J***n 的大作中提到】
:
: I read all five pages of that discussion just now. The issue was resolved in
: the end and I find it totally reasonable that Tesla limited performance in
: NORMAL mode while have the limits higher in TRACK mode. Do you agree?
: Nothing is taken away but put into a different place?
: I suspect you read that part too but just to post to make Tesla cars look
: bad with some self-serving agenda?
: It seems that you follow Tesla news diligently so you should already know
: the recent firmware increase the power and top speed limit. They are also
: working on a firmware that further increase the high speed performance of
|
G********t
发帖数: 430 | 13 windows 家庭版和专业版软件上没有任何区别，价格差了一倍。还停留在车就是简单硬
件堆积的思维里？专业软件少几个功能价格能差几万太正常不过了。
另外p版的电机和逆变器也是pick出性能更好的。
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】
: Model 3 Performance版硬件上其实就是AWD普通版，软件不同而已。
: 这就好比BMW 3系，假如硬件上（发动机、变速箱、悬挂）320i和M3一模一样，区别只
: 是320i的ECU软件把输出限制低一些，请问M3的买家心理上能接受吗？
:
: center
: 5
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l*******a
发帖数: 1 | 14 菲力猫这位如此有名的窑姐你不会不认识吧>_<
in
in
【在 J***n 的大作中提到】
:
: I read all five pages of that discussion just now. The issue was resolved in
: the end and I find it totally reasonable that Tesla limited performance in
: NORMAL mode while have the limits higher in TRACK mode. Do you agree?
: Nothing is taken away but put into a different place?
: I suspect you read that part too but just to post to make Tesla cars look
: bad with some self-serving agenda?
: It seems that you follow Tesla news diligently so you should already know
: the recent firmware increase the power and top speed limit. They are also
: working on a firmware that further increase the high speed performance of
|
f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 15 更厉害、性能更好的软件，一般也是要性能更好的硬件/服务器上跑才能发挥威力。
Tesla这种做法就相当于坐飞机头等舱和经济舱的座位一模一样并且还是坐在一起，区
别只是头等舱座位面前的屏幕上可以点播的电影节目数量多一些。这样的头等舱票你买
不买？
【在 G********t 的大作中提到】
: windows 家庭版和专业版软件上没有任何区别，价格差了一倍。还停留在车就是简单硬
: 件堆积的思维里？专业软件少几个功能价格能差几万太正常不过了。
: 另外p版的电机和逆变器也是pick出性能更好的。
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J***n
发帖数: 210 | 16
how
heat
is
You do not seem to have a problem reading long walls of English in the
discussion forum where you found the post? I had to assume you can
understand me just fine in English.
You are misleading here once again. He was not doing normal driving when
this "issue" came up. Rather, he was closer to road racing, alternating
between flooring the acceleration pedal and hard braking, on mountain road,
at 2am. He averaged a whopping 700watt-hour per mile. I know you do not own
an EV but I assure you that is not normal whatsoever. And he seems okay with
having to change to RACE mode when driving like that now.
I see myself a very aggressive driver. I do not see this issue with my P3D,
granted I have not get many chances to floor the pedal for minutes on end
like he did.
By the way, before my P3D I drove BMWs including two older generation M3s.
P3D has many shortcomings but I as a daily commute car I believe I made the
right decision.
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】
: 帖主明确描述了症状：
: I did more tests today. I noticed that sometimes when I push the car hard
: the fan goes on loud and others times it does not (same conditions). When
: the fan goes on loud I have a very hard time getting the dots no matter how
: hard I push it and this is how it used to behave all the time. Now this
: happens only about 10% of the time. The other 90% of the time the fan does
: not go on or if/when it does it is supper quiet. It is those times the heat
: soaking happens very quickly (2 minutes). So my conclusion is that my fan is
: not broken but there is a screwy algorithm, probably released with one of
: the last updates, that prevents the fan from engaging properly like it use
|
f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 17 主要是你的英文实在写得很不咋地，阅读起来效率很低。能不能以后发帖前先把你的
chinglish copy paste到google translate弄成中文再贴上来？多谢合作。
另外显然买charger hellcat比买P3D划算多了，性能还更加好。P3D开起来就像V6
turbo，所以对于一般用户“have not get many chances to floor the pedal for
minutes on end like he did”，也够用了。不要误解我的意思，V6T并不是贬义，历
史上不少F1方程式赛车也是V6 turbo的。
,
own
【在 J***n 的大作中提到】
:
: how
: heat
: is
: You do not seem to have a problem reading long walls of English in the
: discussion forum where you found the post? I had to assume you can
: understand me just fine in English.
: You are misleading here once again. He was not doing normal driving when
: this "issue" came up. Rather, he was closer to road racing, alternating
: between flooring the acceleration pedal and hard braking, on mountain road,
|
l*******a
发帖数: 1 | 18 又开始推hellcat这个垃圾车了lol
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是你的英文实在写得很不咋地，阅读起来效率很低。能不能以后发帖前先把你的
: chinglish copy paste到google translate弄成中文再贴上来？多谢合作。
: 另外显然买charger hellcat比买P3D划算多了，性能还更加好。P3D开起来就像V6
: turbo，所以对于一般用户“have not get many chances to floor the pedal for
: minutes on end like he did”，也够用了。不要误解我的意思，V6T并不是贬义，历
: 史上不少F1方程式赛车也是V6 turbo的。
:
: ,
: own
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f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 19 hellcat是否垃圾不好说，但我肯定的是你买不起这价位的车子。
【在 l*******a 的大作中提到】
: 又开始推hellcat这个垃圾车了lol
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m**x
发帖数: 1084 | 20 nobody cares about your v8 gas dinasoir. |
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l*******a
发帖数: 1 | 21 哈哈，被你个需要盗dealer图的窑姐咬了一口，我得回去打打疫苗了lol
【在 f******t 的大作中提到】
: hellcat是否垃圾不好说，但我肯定的是你买不起这价位的车子。
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f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 22 很显然V8/10/12/16这些配置，都是面向很窄的hardcore类型消费者群体。这一点都不
奇怪。
【在 m**x 的大作中提到】
: nobody cares about your v8 gas dinasoir.
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f******t
发帖数: 7283 | 23 很好奇特粉买不买这样的头等舱机票：
头等舱和经济舱的座位一模一样并且还是坐在一起，区别只是头等舱座位面前的屏幕上
可以点播的电影节目数量多一些，或者是娱乐系统界面漂亮一些。 |
