b*****x
发帖数: 3786 | 1 早上上班的时候听radio， 听到一个让我比较surprise的新闻：
car rear-ended a SUV that killed the driver,
这也没什么奇怪， 但后面一段就很意外: driver charged with
leaving the scene of a fatal accident...
rear-ended a SUV， 两辆车都扭在一起， 但后面那 driver
还能自己 walk away.
回来我好奇那辆是什么车， 那车竟然是一辆两门的 audi 小车，
这也太牛了吧？
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/driver-charged-with-murd |
a******o
发帖数: 16625 | 2 雪佛莱的小SUV都是有名的不安全，suv死亡最高的就是triblazer。
【在 b*****x 的大作中提到】
: 早上上班的时候听radio， 听到一个让我比较surprise的新闻：
: car rear-ended a SUV that killed the driver,
: 这也没什么奇怪， 但后面一段就很意外: driver charged with
: leaving the scene of a fatal accident...
: rear-ended a SUV， 两辆车都扭在一起， 但后面那 driver
: 还能自己 walk away.
: 回来我好奇那辆是什么车， 那车竟然是一辆两门的 audi 小车，
: 这也太牛了吧？
: http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2014/04/01/driver-charged-with-murd
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f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 3 你老就别喷粪了，chevy tracker就是suzuki vitara换了个牌子，这烂车是典型的薄小
软的日本假SUV，连个双坐audi（TT之类的小车）都能把它干趴下，可见这个伪SUV有多
萎，其实还有更萎的，就是suzuki samurai，就是一个玩具车。
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: 雪佛莱的小SUV都是有名的不安全，suv死亡最高的就是triblazer。
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a******o
发帖数: 16625 | 4 这是GM和铃木合作生产的，双方都有卖，不过1989就停产了，25年的车还在开，至少质
量还是不错的。
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: 你老就别喷粪了，chevy tracker就是suzuki vitara换了个牌子，这烂车是典型的薄小
: 软的日本假SUV，连个双坐audi（TT之类的小车）都能把它干趴下，可见这个伪SUV有多
: 萎，其实还有更萎的，就是suzuki samurai，就是一个玩具车。
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B*Z
发帖数: 7062 | 5 这种追尾没有可比性。把suv捧失控了撞到树上栏杆上，什么事情都可以发生。还是换
个战场继续掐吧。
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: 这是GM和铃木合作生产的，双方都有卖，不过1989就停产了，25年的车还在开，至少质
: 量还是不错的。
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f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 6 89年的车就让你这么兴奋了？你看看CL上有多少60~80年代的chevy C10在卖你就明白差
距了，
这烂车是玲木的设计，GM是设计不出来这种车的，有本拍在你老就别忽悠不明真相的群
众了。
【在 a******o 的大作中提到】
: 这是GM和铃木合作生产的，双方都有卖，不过1989就停产了，25年的车还在开，至少质
: 量还是不错的。
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a******o
发帖数: 16625 | 7 上次加蓬王子的explorer在旧金山被integra撞翻车死了。
【在 B*Z 的大作中提到】
: 这种追尾没有可比性。把suv捧失控了撞到树上栏杆上，什么事情都可以发生。还是换
: 个战场继续掐吧。
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B*Z
发帖数: 7062 | 8 对，GM只会每个switch省90cents，让司机一个个碰死。
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: 89年的车就让你这么兴奋了？你看看CL上有多少60~80年代的chevy C10在卖你就明白差
: 距了，
: 这烂车是玲木的设计，GM是设计不出来这种车的，有本拍在你老就别忽悠不明真相的群
: 众了。
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f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 9 讲不过了，就开始用这么下作的方式诅咒别人，跟农村老太太是一个水平，还有更高档
一点的日托吗？
【在 B*Z 的大作中提到】
: 对，GM只会每个switch省90cents，让司机一个个碰死。
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B*Z
发帖数: 7062 | 10 我尽量根据事实说话，看完发表感想，不要跑路。
Paul Lienert and Marilyn Thompson Reuters
8:40 a.m. CDT, April 2, 2014
DETROIT/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - General Motors Co in 2005 decided not to
change an ignition switch eventually linked to the deaths of at least 13
people because it would have added about a dollar to the cost of each car,
according to an internal GM document provided to U.S. congressional
investigators.
The U.S. House Committee on Energy and Commerce released the documents on
Tuesday as lawmakers asked CEO Mary Barra why GM failed to recall 2.6
million cars until more than a decade after it first noticed a switch
problem that could cut off engines and disable airbags, power steering and
power brakes.
Colorado Congresswoman Diana DeGette cited a 2005 GM document that she said
showed a cost of 57 cents per fix.
DeGette did not release the document, and Reuters was unable to get a copy.
However, Reuters obtained what appeared to be a separate document, a series
of 2005 emails between GM engineers debating whether to make a change to the
ignition switch. The change would have cost an extra 90 cents per unit and
additional tooling costs of $400,000, one email showed. Those tooling costs
typically are amortized over several years.
Barra said she found the concept of turning down the change because of
tooling costs "very disturbing. That is not the way we do business in the
New GM."
In the email exchange, one of the engineers, John Hendler, said his team was
prepared to continue using a switch that was made by Delphi Automotive and
approved by GM, even though Delphi told the automaker in early 2002 that the
switch did not meet GM's performance specifications.
Hendler said the cars, including the Chevrolet Cobalt and Saturn Ion, which
were recalled this year, would continue using the old switch "until the
piece cost can be eliminated or significantly reduced," and targeted a new
switch for 2009 models. Reuters was unable to contact Hendler.
Another GM executive, Lori Queen, who had responsibility for the development
of GM's small cars, responded, "I'm not sure it's ok to wait." She did not
explain herself in the email. Queen did not return a call seeking comment. A
General Motors spokesman said the company was still investigating the
recall and would review all relevant documents.
Representatives repeatedly questioned Barra about GM's weighing of costs
even in safety situations. Barra said that was no longer the case, and that
the company since its 2009 bankruptcy was changing from a "cost culture" to
one focused on customers.
EMPTY BLANKS
In the early 2000s, GM, like the other Detroit automakers was under intense
cost pressure, in the face of competition from overseas rivals and a legacy
of high labor costs. Those and other financial issues eventually led to GM's
2009 bankruptcy.
GM did change the ignition switch, in 2006, but the process did not comply
with the company's own rules, documents and testimony show.
Parts maker Delphi told congressional investigators last week that the
redesigned switch on the 2007 models was harder to move out of position, but
the force required to turn the switch was "still below GM's original
specifications," according to a timeline released by the investigators.
A separate, April 26, 2006, document called a "validation sign-off",
authorized changes to the switch, including a new spring, designed to
increase the force required to move the switch.
The document showed that the part number did not change, when redesigned, an
issue which GM said hampered its own internal investigation.
"It is inconceivable," Barra said, when asked about the design change
without a corresponding change in part number. "It is not our process."
Moreover, several fields on the document marked as "required" are left blank
or with "N/A", including purchase order number and "validation engineer".
The document has the signature of GM "lead engineer" Ray DeGiorgio, who
could not be reached for comment. In a 2013 deposition in a suit against GM,
DeGiorgio had said he was unaware of a change in the part.
A retired GM manager familiar with the automaker's engineering and
manufacturing procedures said that another manager would have had to sign
off on the part, by company policy, given DeGiorgio's relatively low
seniority. "So who approved a design change without a part number change?"
Barra confirmed that DeGiorgio is still employed by the company and said she
has not yet heard his explanation for signing the 2006 document.
The redesigned ignition switch was installed on 2007 Chevrolet Cobalts and
Saturn Ions in late 2006, GM has said.
(Reporting by Paul Lienert in Detroit and Marilyn Thompson in Washington;
additional reporting by Simon Gardner in Mexico City and Nick Carey in
Chicago, editing by Peter Henderson)
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: 讲不过了，就开始用这么下作的方式诅咒别人，跟农村老太太是一个水平，还有更高档
: 一点的日托吗？
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B*Z
发帖数: 7062 | 11 这是你美国偶像的新闻，标题是：
GM avoided defective switch redesign in 2005 to save a dollar each
这个是link，
http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/sns-rt-us-g
hi-20140401,0,5365904.story
credit goes to 马头。
【在 B*Z 的大作中提到】
: 我尽量根据事实说话，看完发表感想，不要跑路。
: Paul Lienert and Marilyn Thompson Reuters
: 8:40 a.m. CDT, April 2, 2014
: DETROIT/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - General Motors Co in 2005 decided not to
: change an ignition switch eventually linked to the deaths of at least 13
: people because it would have added about a dollar to the cost of each car,
: according to an internal GM document provided to U.S. congressional
: investigators.
: The U.S. House Committee on Energy and Commerce released the documents on
: Tuesday as lawmakers asked CEO Mary Barra why GM failed to recall 2.6
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m********2
发帖数: 3732 | 12 笑死了。你说别人坐着馅大皮薄的车多少回了，觉得自己是个农村老太太吗？
嘲笑别人买的车马力小，自己买了一个马力更小更慢的，你就这么喜欢打自己脸？
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: 讲不过了，就开始用这么下作的方式诅咒别人，跟农村老太太是一个水平，还有更高档
: 一点的日托吗？
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f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 13 阿桂，你的骚痒症又犯了？
【在 m********2 的大作中提到】
: 笑死了。你说别人坐着馅大皮薄的车多少回了，觉得自己是个农村老太太吗？
: 嘲笑别人买的车马力小，自己买了一个马力更小更慢的，你就这么喜欢打自己脸？
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m********2
发帖数: 3732 | 14 你天生瘙痒不要以为别人和你一样有这种病。
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: 阿桂，你的骚痒症又犯了？
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f****t
发帖数: 15913 | 15 明明没去过北极却说去过，
明明卖了infiniti留了volvo，却要黑volvo，
这是什么样的心理在作怪？大家给它号号脉，病得不轻。
另外，叔和别人争论和你没关系，你却要主动进来犯贱，这不是骚痒症是什么？
【在 m********2 的大作中提到】
: 你天生瘙痒不要以为别人和你一样有这种病。
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N********n
发帖数: 13236 | 16 不要没规矩，叫叔
【在 B*Z 的大作中提到】
: 这是你美国偶像的新闻，标题是：
: GM avoided defective switch redesign in 2005 to save a dollar each
: 这个是link，
: http://www.chicagotribune.com/classified/automotive/sns-rt-us-g
: hi-20140401,0,5365904.story
: credit goes to 马头。
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m********2
发帖数: 3732 | 17 奇怪。这个论坛是你开的吗？回帖还要申请permission？人家买日车你唧唧歪歪这不好
哪不好的时候算不算犯贱？看你经常去别人的帖子黑，是因为天生瘙痒吗？
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: 明明没去过北极却说去过，
: 明明卖了infiniti留了volvo，却要黑volvo，
: 这是什么样的心理在作怪？大家给它号号脉，病得不轻。
: 另外，叔和别人争论和你没关系，你却要主动进来犯贱，这不是骚痒症是什么？
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m********2
发帖数: 3732 | 18 你开着日车黑日车也不是一天两天了，9年时间，3000多个日日夜夜。你觉得我病得厉
害还是你病得厉害？
【在 f****t 的大作中提到】
: 明明没去过北极却说去过，
: 明明卖了infiniti留了volvo，却要黑volvo，
: 这是什么样的心理在作怪？大家给它号号脉，病得不轻。
: 另外，叔和别人争论和你没关系，你却要主动进来犯贱，这不是骚痒症是什么？
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b*****x
发帖数: 3786 | 19 没说撞栏杆呀， 只是说撞到小沟去了，
Both vehicles were completely mangled and stopped at separate
ends of what ISP Master Sgt. George Jimenez said was a
“quarter-mile-long crash scene.”
1/4 英里的碎片。。。这得撞得多厉害， 最神奇的是后面小车的 driver
之后还能逃离现场。
【在 B*Z 的大作中提到】
: 这种追尾没有可比性。把suv捧失控了撞到树上栏杆上，什么事情都可以发生。还是换
: 个战场继续掐吧。
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