f****y
发帖数: 235 | 1 当时送一个小朋友回家，刚拐上那段正在修路的路段，开了不到半码，就被开了罚单。
限速35，雷达测速48。自己有点蒙，觉得肯定不对，哪能半码就开到48。再加上罚单上
把我的车绿色写成黑色，觉得自己很有把握赢，就约了上庭。第一次informal hearing
. 警察问我愿不愿make a deal, 就是直接付罚金，免点。我回绝了。警察说那你就
take a chance. 庭上法官问警察是这辆车吗（我拍了车的照片带过去），警察说是，
于是就判我的责任。不服气，准备了第二次上庭。上庭前写了封信给法庭，解释我不可
能超速的理由及警察弄错颜色。上庭前先sign in 再安排到一个小房间，没看到给我开
罚单的警察，其他几个人的警察倒是到了。又问我愿不愿意make a deal, 我不知道因
为警察没来，还是因为我写的信在起作用，使我又有机会 deal. 但是有了第一次上庭
的经验，知道法官肯定和警察一伙，就判你责任也没办法，乖乖地take the deal.
总结几点：1. 一定要上庭，即使你的错，警察不问原因，就问愿不愿deal, 如果
deal， 就是付罚金，免点。
2 再有把握，也可能输，法官总是站在警察一方。如果有deal，take it.
3 准备上庭，耗时耗精力。 |
H*****i
发帖数: 1867 | 2 我上次也是。罚单有错，但是我take deal。破财免灾
hearing
【在 f****y 的大作中提到】
: 当时送一个小朋友回家，刚拐上那段正在修路的路段，开了不到半码，就被开了罚单。
: 限速35，雷达测速48。自己有点蒙，觉得肯定不对，哪能半码就开到48。再加上罚单上
: 把我的车绿色写成黑色，觉得自己很有把握赢，就约了上庭。第一次informal hearing
: . 警察问我愿不愿make a deal, 就是直接付罚金，免点。我回绝了。警察说那你就
: take a chance. 庭上法官问警察是这辆车吗（我拍了车的照片带过去），警察说是，
: 于是就判我的责任。不服气，准备了第二次上庭。上庭前写了封信给法庭，解释我不可
: 能超速的理由及警察弄错颜色。上庭前先sign in 再安排到一个小房间，没看到给我开
: 罚单的警察，其他几个人的警察倒是到了。又问我愿不愿意make a deal, 我不知道因
: 为警察没来，还是因为我写的信在起作用，使我又有机会 deal. 但是有了第一次上庭
: 的经验，知道法官肯定和警察一伙，就判你责任也没办法，乖乖地take the deal.
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j****l
发帖数: 3356 | 3 今天特意看了下，红灯后启动，前面一串车压着，从0启动，0.2mile开到限速40
你转弯后开了0.5mile，又不是从0速开始，开到48都不可能？要真这样，你车太弱了
hearing
【在 f****y 的大作中提到】
: 当时送一个小朋友回家，刚拐上那段正在修路的路段，开了不到半码，就被开了罚单。
: 限速35，雷达测速48。自己有点蒙，觉得肯定不对，哪能半码就开到48。再加上罚单上
: 把我的车绿色写成黑色，觉得自己很有把握赢，就约了上庭。第一次informal hearing
: . 警察问我愿不愿make a deal, 就是直接付罚金，免点。我回绝了。警察说那你就
: take a chance. 庭上法官问警察是这辆车吗（我拍了车的照片带过去），警察说是，
: 于是就判我的责任。不服气，准备了第二次上庭。上庭前写了封信给法庭，解释我不可
: 能超速的理由及警察弄错颜色。上庭前先sign in 再安排到一个小房间，没看到给我开
: 罚单的警察，其他几个人的警察倒是到了。又问我愿不愿意make a deal, 我不知道因
: 为警察没来，还是因为我写的信在起作用，使我又有机会 deal. 但是有了第一次上庭
: 的经验，知道法官肯定和警察一伙，就判你责任也没办法，乖乖地take the deal.
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f****y
发帖数: 235 | 4 我的车是挺弱的，15年了，码数超过170000。经常打不着火，镜子是胶带粘着的，开快
了晃悠，在破路上我一边开，一边看镜子有没有快掉下来。好路能要修吗？ |
x****u
发帖数: 473 | |
k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 6 非常有用的经验。 有时间就多和他们纠缠一会，事情多就take deal |
f*******i
发帖数: 8492 | |
g****y
发帖数: 101 | 8 第一次法官判你责任的时候，要不要付count fee 阿？ 如果要得话，多少钱呢？ |
r******y
发帖数: 12263 | 9 多谢楼主了 非常有帮助
请问２个问题
第一你３５超速４８ 罚了多少钱？ 警察和你说的deal 是多少钱?
我和你一样 35 超速45 罚款95
第二 关于扣点这个 在那里看呢? 我看了看罚单，似乎没说到那里有扣点，只有写要
交的钱数． 扣点是默认扣的？还是没提到就不扣了?
谢谢楼主了！！ |
y***m
发帖数: 7027 | 10 雷达ticket都不计点吧?
另外ticket上好像写不是非owner开车免罚？
hearing
【在 f****y 的大作中提到】
: 当时送一个小朋友回家，刚拐上那段正在修路的路段，开了不到半码，就被开了罚单。
: 限速35，雷达测速48。自己有点蒙，觉得肯定不对，哪能半码就开到48。再加上罚单上
: 把我的车绿色写成黑色，觉得自己很有把握赢，就约了上庭。第一次informal hearing
: . 警察问我愿不愿make a deal, 就是直接付罚金，免点。我回绝了。警察说那你就
: take a chance. 庭上法官问警察是这辆车吗（我拍了车的照片带过去），警察说是，
: 于是就判我的责任。不服气，准备了第二次上庭。上庭前写了封信给法庭，解释我不可
: 能超速的理由及警察弄错颜色。上庭前先sign in 再安排到一个小房间，没看到给我开
: 罚单的警察，其他几个人的警察倒是到了。又问我愿不愿意make a deal, 我不知道因
: 为警察没来，还是因为我写的信在起作用，使我又有机会 deal. 但是有了第一次上庭
: 的经验，知道法官肯定和警察一伙，就判你责任也没办法，乖乖地take the deal.
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r******y
发帖数: 12263 | 11
看了看我的也是 雷达
为何雷达测速的不极点呢?普及下吧!
【在 y***m 的大作中提到】
: 雷达ticket都不计点吧?
: 另外ticket上好像写不是非owner开车免罚？
:
: hearing
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c******n
发帖数: 5697 | 12 你好像是不太懂怎么搞speeding ticket
什么车子颜色不一样鸟用没有
你要去找个正确的流程做
就是request for discovery, radar calibration report, roading engineering
survey等等
你不懂又没时间,就认输了事
hearing
【在 f****y 的大作中提到】
: 当时送一个小朋友回家，刚拐上那段正在修路的路段，开了不到半码，就被开了罚单。
: 限速35，雷达测速48。自己有点蒙，觉得肯定不对，哪能半码就开到48。再加上罚单上
: 把我的车绿色写成黑色，觉得自己很有把握赢，就约了上庭。第一次informal hearing
: . 警察问我愿不愿make a deal, 就是直接付罚金，免点。我回绝了。警察说那你就
: take a chance. 庭上法官问警察是这辆车吗（我拍了车的照片带过去），警察说是，
: 于是就判我的责任。不服气，准备了第二次上庭。上庭前写了封信给法庭，解释我不可
: 能超速的理由及警察弄错颜色。上庭前先sign in 再安排到一个小房间，没看到给我开
: 罚单的警察，其他几个人的警察倒是到了。又问我愿不愿意make a deal, 我不知道因
: 为警察没来，还是因为我写的信在起作用，使我又有机会 deal. 但是有了第一次上庭
: 的经验，知道法官肯定和警察一伙，就判你责任也没办法，乖乖地take the deal.
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f****y
发帖数: 235 | 13 罚单上不写点数，但你打打电话去法庭问，会告诉你几个点。原则上应该是95块，两个
点，如果是修路地段，会加重处罚。
【在 r******y 的大作中提到】
: 多谢楼主了 非常有帮助
: 请问２个问题
: 第一你３５超速４８ 罚了多少钱？ 警察和你说的deal 是多少钱?
: 我和你一样 35 超速45 罚款95
: 第二 关于扣点这个 在那里看呢? 我看了看罚单，似乎没说到那里有扣点，只有写要
: 交的钱数． 扣点是默认扣的？还是没提到就不扣了?
: 谢谢楼主了！！
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f****y
发帖数: 235 | 14 不用付count fee，至少我所在的州是。如果上诉的话，要交bond，我交了132，第二次
上庭后就把多付的钱再退给我。
【在 g****y 的大作中提到】
: 第一次法官判你责任的时候，要不要付count fee 阿？ 如果要得话，多少钱呢？
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f****y
发帖数: 235 | 15 还真做了，发觉找不到什么漏洞。就觉得因为颜色不对，就有可能警察target的别的车
，pull over 我的车。
【在 c******n 的大作中提到】
: 你好像是不太懂怎么搞speeding ticket
: 什么车子颜色不一样鸟用没有
: 你要去找个正确的流程做
: 就是request for discovery, radar calibration report, roading engineering
: survey等等
: 你不懂又没时间,就认输了事
:
: hearing
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g********4
发帖数: 4959 | 16 没看懂lz文章的中心思想。想想现代年轻人写文章都这样，因为之前读到过无数这种中
心思想模糊的文章了。但还是有必要说一下，因为许多回帖支持lz take a deal的结论
。既然车型、颜色不对，为什么不辩解？ |
w*p
发帖数: 28 | 17 看看下面这个牛人的建议 ----
when you fight it in court keep in mind a few tings....
(I am NOT providing legal advice, only information)
if they paced you, they have to have produce a certified calibration of the
car speedo done within 6 months, if they dont have it then you walk because
their speed measureing device has not been proven within a legal degree of
certainty as accurate..as LONG AS YOU know to ASK FOR IT.
Same with radar, they need to have a certification that the tuning forks
used to test the radar calibration have themselves been tested within 6
months, if they dont have it at trial you walk because their evidence is now
suspect.
Courts have taken judicial notice that radar works as a valid speed
measurement devide provided that:
The operator is trained in its use
The unit's calibration was checked before and after the arrest
AND
the device that checks the units calibration is ITSELF calibrated, (as the
tuning forks are measurement devices themselves), within a reasonable period
of time. (which courts have taken as 3 to 6 months)
This is based on mucho established case laws.
If you ask for this documentation and they dont have it you walk.
Remember you are not charged with going fast, you are charged with a
specific speed, and if the speed measuring device they used cannot be proven
accurate to a legal degree of certanity they have no evidence.
This is called asking for Foundation and if the cop does not have the docs
at trial you will win. It is impt not to ask for it until crossing the cop.
Then the prosecution has rested and they are screwed if they dont have the
docs.
If the prosecutor asks for more time to get the docs, object
Your Honor, the trial is now, today, and the defense is present and prepared
. It is not the fault of the defense the people do not have proper
foundation and they need to move on without it.
then Move to dismiss for lack of evidence
If the judge says that the calibration is not important say:
your honor I have provided you with numerous case laws that show the
documentation requested by the defense is required (give the judge the
revelent case laws at the start of your trial) He cannot ignore precident,
if he does he will lose if you appeal
If the judge says you should have asked for the docs in discovery prior to
trial say:
your Honor, it is not the responsibility of the defense to provide
foundation for the prosecutors evidence, the people know or should know what
foundational material they need to bring to trial to verify their speed
measurement is accurate to a legal degree of certainty based on case law.
Motion to dismiss for lack of evidence
a few more things
if you are cited for 22349(a) the maximum speed law, you can still use the
speed trap defense (meaning they have to produce a traffic survey not more
than 5 years old at the trial to verify the 85 percentile speed) as long as
the road you were cited on has a posted limit lower than 65. In cali, the
case is people vs studley. The state cannot use ANY radar speed measurement
if it was obtained in a "speed trap" even if they did not write you for
22350. This is a good one. Cops write you for 22349a thinking they get out
of having to produce the traffic survey at trial, but it works only if they
wrote you on a road with a 65 limit (i.e the freeway)
if they bring the traffic survey then this does not work, but they probably
wont have it, its another defense to throw in
if there is no prosecutor you also can severly limit what the judge can do
at trial, because he cannot act as the prosecutor. He cannot object to your
motions because he is not the peoples lawyer, he cannot enter any written
matter into evidence, he cannot make motions, etc. He is very limited as
long as you know to ask at the trial start" I notice there is no prosecutor
to plead the peoples case, will YOU be acting as the prosecutor for the
people?
He will be forced to say NO, and when he does, you can jamb him if he does
anything that is reserved for a prosecutor to do.
SO if the cop does not show, he cannot move to postpone the trial to another
date, as there is no one representing the people to make the motion
If he says you should have asked for the radar calibration data in discovery
, you can say there is no prosecutor to object to your request for
foundation
If the cop happens to bring the radar backup data to court, there is no one
to enter it into evidence, the judge CANNOT do it, and the cop cannot do it,
as he is not licensed by the bar to practice law. If the judge does it he
will get overturned, because he is performing the job of the prosecutor and
denying the defendant the right to a unbiased trier of facts (the judge)
The cheapness of the court screws them IF you know the things the judge
cannot do. He cannot even have the APPEARANCE of being biased.
Say, The people are knowingly proceding with no prosecutor to plead their
case, this shall in no way impair the defendants right to a fair trial and
an unbiased trier of facts and the limitations presented as such are burden
they have chosen to accept.
Every time the judge tries to do a prosecutor thing, you object and ask him"
Are you now acting as prosecutor, your honor".
He knows you are in the right and may dismiss you because he is tired of
your noise and does not want all the other sheep behind you to hear how easy
it is to beat the system. |
h******s
发帖数: 728 | 18 good one!
the
because
now
【在 w*p 的大作中提到】
: 看看下面这个牛人的建议 ----
: when you fight it in court keep in mind a few tings....
: (I am NOT providing legal advice, only information)
: if they paced you, they have to have produce a certified calibration of the
: car speedo done within 6 months, if they dont have it then you walk because
: their speed measureing device has not been proven within a legal degree of
: certainty as accurate..as LONG AS YOU know to ASK FOR IT.
: Same with radar, they need to have a certification that the tuning forks
: used to test the radar calibration have themselves been tested within 6
: months, if they dont have it at trial you walk because their evidence is now
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o*****a
发帖数: 6401 | 19
不计点的话，违规记录不会上传给州，所以不会影响保险。
【在 f*******i 的大作中提到】
: 是不是不记点，就不会涨保险？
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R****7
发帖数: 617 | 20 他应该是说的photo radar。否则的话，如果雷达测速不记点，超速就没有记点的了
【在 r******y 的大作中提到】
:
: 看了看我的也是 雷达
: 为何雷达测速的不极点呢?普及下吧!
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G******d
发帖数: 583 | 21 Judge asked me to wait for them to bring the book. What should I do?
the
because
now
【在 w*p 的大作中提到】
: 看看下面这个牛人的建议 ----
: when you fight it in court keep in mind a few tings....
: (I am NOT providing legal advice, only information)
: if they paced you, they have to have produce a certified calibration of the
: car speedo done within 6 months, if they dont have it then you walk because
: their speed measureing device has not been proven within a legal degree of
: certainty as accurate..as LONG AS YOU know to ASK FOR IT.
: Same with radar, they need to have a certification that the tuning forks
: used to test the radar calibration have themselves been tested within 6
: months, if they dont have it at trial you walk because their evidence is now
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