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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 2
RT cannot run the current windows desktop apps tho. |
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 4 LOL, you never learn. Can't you see the charts above? Silverlight isn't even
mentioned in wp8. H5/JS on the other hand, is treated as first class
citizen on top of Win RT. You can develop H5/JS app on top of Win RT on wp8,
or in browser on desktop. That's what it means.
Argue Sliverlight's connection to XAML and what not. XAML is not SL. You can
describe SL's UI in XAML. However without SL's runtime support, how are you
gonna run it in wp8? I couldn't care less about XAML or SL. WP8 is going
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 5
The more you talk the bigger fool you sound. The whole METRO engine
started from the WP7 which was using SL3. Later on it's expanded to
Win8 Metro and WP8 Metro with the latest CLR engine. So METRO has
always been a WPF/SL xaml platform.
You cited an article claiming SL is gone from WP8. So how do you
explain that WP7 SL apps still run in WP8? You were so clueless you
cited sth with such glaring nonsense and used it as proof. LOL.
And a word on H5/JS being so-called "1st-class". Java used to be... 阅读全帖 |
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 6 You are talking nonsense again. Sure I am not an expert of .Net. I never
claim I am. But without proper support, SL is dead. API evolves, SL support
doesn't. In no time it's like running DOS program in Windows. It may work to
some degree, but nobody really cares. And M$ doesn't recommend doing that
either.
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/windows-phone-8-whats-micro
"Here's what I've heard about XNA. As Windows 8 developers know, Microsoft
has decided not to include XNA support for WinRT/Metr... 阅读全帖 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 7
Right. Then be quiet so that you would not have sounded clueless
about .Net, SL, C#, XAML and so on.
I predicted WPF/SL techniques to be the future on Windows platform,
and it's happening as I said. Those who had WPF/SL skills can now
code XAML apps for WP8, WinRT and Desktop. One technique to cover
all front, and that's great.
You OTOH insisted from day 1 that H5/JS thin client to beat rich
client. What have we got so far from your H5/JS? ChromeOS, WebOS,
ZYNGA ... Google themselves are having... 阅读全帖 |
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L******e
发帖数: 136 | 8 可是Win8和WinRT都卖得很糟，去店里试过感觉就是个高级的Prototype， 就连WPF做得
Word界面都有明显的UI Defect。。。 都希望微软争点气，现在出去说自己是.NET
developer 都被Java，C++ 甚至RUBy Developer看扁了。
其实也不用争，前两天首页上还有一个做算法的自学一年转Java Senior Developer
的。做软件用什么工具其实都搞得出来，但是并不是谁都适合做。对于有经验头脑又够
用的人来说，甚至没有经验头脑又够用的人来说，每年学一个新语言基本是做软工的基
本功，这话不是我说的，是我在一本讲如何做一个优秀开发者的书上看到的。更何况就
连早就被唱衰的Silverilght到现在还有些公司在用，更不用说WPF了。没必要担心。如
果公司从Silverilght转到Java，对程序员只能是个好事，多学一种不更好吗？省得自
己花时间花钱去补课了。
很多人看到软工比其他工种相对轻松，工资也不低，工作又好找，找机会就攻击软工，
其实挺不实际的。适合做的早晚都能做，不适合做的给个机会也挺痛苦的。我是说真正
担责任做项目的。扯远了。
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B********t
发帖数: 1321 | 9 这个够权威吧？WinRT的开发从架构层面讲的足够清楚了。
http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Build/BUILD2011/PLAT-874T
我跟你一样都不希望微软把.net的地位贬的很低，这本身是和Java的Spring Framework
相媲美的企业级开发平台。Steven Sinofsky对于.NET的厌恶，对于我们开发者来说就
是噩梦。他现在被赶走了，希望情况能有所改观了。其实不仅仅是Silverlight/WPF，
WP7的开发者也肯定是充满了郁闷。从系统架构的角度来说，我们也不能把自己仅仅局
限于微软的技术平台，尤其是微软近年来变得越来越不靠谱的情况下。 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 11
RT is like a special version of .Net runtime with JS interfaces to
attract some JS developers to the RT platform although I doubt any
will come.
Apps written in C# / C++ can be ported back and forth b/t WP8 and
WinRT easily. You cannot do it w/ JS as it's not supported on WP8. |
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 12 也就是说，javascript在winRT上跟C++/C#功能并没有什么不同，c++和C#能做的app，
js一样可以做，包括fast and fluid对吧？
另外有一点需要澄清的是，不是WP8不支持JS，也不是WP8不支持用html5/CSS/javascri
pt为WP8开发app，而是不能为WP8开发WinJS应用程序，也就是不能写Win8风格的JS程序。 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 14
This METRO stuff was SL from day one since Windows Phone 7. In
Win8 they expanded it to support C++ so that more developers,
especially game developers, could bring their apps to WinRT. It
has nothing to do with weakening .Net. You are simply clueless. |
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 15 一直可以用c++/Win32开发桌面，现在又多了一种，HTML/CSS3/JS。.NET的替代品多了一
种。
WinRT包括的是Win32的一个子集。 |
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 16 你得先确定WinRT支持named pipe吧。
你是说android是用java写的？简称“android是java”？这种说法还真怪。不解释的话，
我还真不知道可以这么简称。
Metro是用SilverLight写的吗br /> |
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n*w
发帖数: 3393 | 17 一个强调开发技术的相似性。 silverlight是和winrt，wpf技术上有很多重合。
一个强调作为浏览器的plugin的silverlight前途暗淡。microsoft是有可能不会有
Silverlight 6.0，7.0了。 |
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 18 How does the chart prove me wrong? I said SL is DEAD. And .NET is weakened.
1. I don't see SL in the chart at all. And 0.3% of all websites prove SL is
nothing but on death bed now.
2. .Net comes from the dominant choice, to one of the three choices, that's
weakened. WinRT obviously takes the center stage now, not .Net.
At the end of the day, let's face it. 2012 is the first year in 10+ years
more non-PC are shipped than PC. PC is on fast decline. And WP8 remains a
niche market. You can boast .N... 阅读全帖 |
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r****y
发帖数: 26819 | 19 WinRT就是metro app对应的平台，比win8功能少。 |
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