N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 1
If you look inside WinRT you'd realize WinRT/Metro = SilverLight 6.
MSFT does not want SL to be a plug-in only solution since it makes no
money that way so they turn it into a mobile-focused platform to power
from Win8 tablets to Win8Phone.
Ignore their talk about HTML5/JS which is simply marketing noise. All
MSFT and Apple ever want is to sell more proprietary Windows and iOS,
more and more and more. They could care less about HTML5 but if they
could lure a few of H5 fanatics into Windows/iOS ... 阅读全帖 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 2
纯放屁。HTML就是一坨, WebOS, HP, Facebook, Zynga, ChromeOS纷纷发
来贺电，连GOOG都受不了放弃JS转攻DART了。WinRT只是给HTML/JS一个API
接口，调用RT写出来的HTML APP到了Win8之外的系统上根本不兼容，还跨
鸟平台？WinRT的核心XAML ENGINE就是SilverLight的ENGINE，都是同一个
TEAM开发的。所以写过SL/WPF的现在上手RT非常快，傻子才抱着HTML不放。 |
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 3 http://www.i-programmer.info/news/83-mobliephone/3717-windows-p
Given WinRT native apps are flavor of the month at Microsoft, it would be a
naive (not native) programmer who didn't realize that this marks the end
game for Silverlight. It has been dumped in Windows 8 and now it is made
legacy on its only niche survival ground - the Windows Phone. WinRT is going
to be the only technology that spans all of Microsoft's platforms - phone,
tablet and (sort of) desktop.
这个是google搜Silverlight on wp8出来的第... 阅读全帖 |
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s****n
发帖数: 8912 | 4 indows RT是Windows家族的一个新成员，也可以称之为Windows on ARM或WOA。该版本
并不零售，仅预装在采用ARM处理器的PC和平板机中。Windows RT包括针对触摸操作优
化的桌面版Word、Excel、PowerPoint和OneNote。新的应用程序可以通过新的Windows
运行时也就是WinRT开发。 |
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T*******a
发帖数: 23033 | 5 我草，又一个没文化的。winrt是win8，win10没有rt。 |
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 6 http://www.javaworld.com/community/?q=node/8300&source=IFWNLE_j
As discriminatory as this is going to sound, this one is for the old-timers.
If you started programming after the turn of the milennium, I don’t know
if you’re going to be able to follow the trend of this post—not out of any
serious deficiency on your part, hardly that. But I think this is something
only the old-timers are going to identify with. (And thus, do I alienate
probably 80% of my readership, but so be it.)
Is it me, or is ... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******h
发帖数: 3219 | 7 【 以下文字转载自 Seattle 讨论区 】
发信人: malloc (malloc), 信区: Seattle
标 题: 美人白头英雄迟暮-微软帝国辉煌不再
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jul 18 22:40:02 2014, 美东)
靴子终于掉到地板上了，这不是微软的第一次裁员也不会是微软最后一次裁员，而且以
后越来越频繁。
MSFT的移动策略全面溃败，现金牛枯竭，
不管Terry承认与否windows phone已经全面失败，市场份额几乎可以忽略不计。
移动平台架构一变再变，让开发者无所适从，健康的ecosystem一直没有建立起来。
相比之下Android平台经常几个月一个小release，一年一个大release。如果抛弃成见
，它的进步你可以看得到。而WP 8.1 的release，做了这么长时间，就做了这个玩意？
现如今，连诺基亚也完蛋了，中国的工厂研发，号称要搬到越南去（然后去印度？）好
吧，衷心祝愿他们开模顺利，下一代产品能够按时上市。做一次以后就知道啥是供应链
，啥是产业集群了。电子产品made in china是有原因的。
在平板上，window... 阅读全帖 |
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p*****t
发帖数: 3824 | 8
on
mirror
winrt
sorry, my mistake on the first response. I mean growth rate, not revenue. PC
is not a "future" market and I am sure Intel is well aware of that.
Transaction cost economics postulates that by integrating vertically, firms
do not need to incur costs related to contracts with other firms for
delivering a product/value added service. Of course it is debatable, but
from Intel perspective, vertical integration is very efficient, and it has
proven so many times in the semi industry, an... 阅读全帖 |
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s******v
发帖数: 4495 | 9 1. the annual growth rate of Intel's server/data center segment is at sub-20
% level. Given the 20% of total revenue, it can only contribute a 4% growth
space. Considering 70%+ of intel revenue is from PC, a market share lose is
vital to intel numbers.
2. Fab or Fabless. Intel's fab was extremely sucessfully in last decades to
compete AMD and other RISC vendors. But in mobile age, the fab is a big
burden for him. I had a series of discussions in pda board, here is the link
.
http://www.mitbbs.co... 阅读全帖 |
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s******v
发帖数: 4495 | 10 ha.. debate can not go anywhere. the point to argue is not right and wrong,
is to know if missing any puzzles.
to me, intel's fate is very bleak.
1. dominant in pc market w/ little growth.
2. high price/margin vs arm's low price/margin; $200 vs $20
3. the only strength is performance, but it is no use to 50% pc users;
4. partners are diversifying, MS has winRT on ARM, A is rumored to use own
ARM.
5. has little competition on high growth mobile market due to its cost
structure.
6. growth on serv... 阅读全帖 |
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h***o
发帖数: 1494 | 11
早晚的事。主要是没人用。现在又搞出了WinRT。 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 12
Joke. Have you ever been to the MIX conferences? SL was always the top
subject until being back-stabbed by Sinofsky. Pushing SL off with WinRT
is gonna piss a lot Enterprise developers off. |
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n*w
发帖数: 3393 | 13 下面这段话是真的吗？
The new Windows API is unmanaged because the leaders in the Windows teams (
and Office team, whose former leader –Sinofsky- is now the president of the
Windows and Windows Live Division) had no part in the design and
distribution of .NET, never promoted it in any way, and its popularity is
actually a threat to their personal careers (imagine: if .NET became an even
bigger success, that could likely put its designers and contributors -like
Scott Guthrie- ahead of people like Steven Sin... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****v
发帖数: 498 | 14 没看懂，Win API有managed 的吗? |
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 15 接着往下看啊
非 managed 更容易用 C++ 调用
managed 的 GC 不方便跟别的语言混用 |
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c**q
发帖数: 94 | 16 肯定会提供managed封装的。没用过PDC build? |
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n*w
发帖数: 3393 | 18 是有了 C# sample。但下面不再是dot net。 |
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n*w
发帖数: 3393 | 19 如果是 .net 里加东西，应该不会引起这么多的阴谋论。 |
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 20 那还有没有 .Net 的中间代码？
比如 C# + XAML 写的，按 x86 编译了能到 ARM 上跑不？
低。
略。 |
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s***o
发帖数: 2191 | 21 good points. but if I remember correctly, JavaScript can only be used with
HTML, not XAML.
低。
略。 |
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r**********g
发帖数: 22734 | 22 isn't this the same in WebOS...
create a
This
to create application and upload to AppStore using the knowledge you are
having. Basically, they are given almost the same power as C# or C++
developers in the new "Metro worl |
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Y*********i
发帖数: 215 | 23 和以前一样任然有.net 中间代码。.net runtime是离不了的，否则C#程序根本无法运
行。 |
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s***o
发帖数: 2191 | 25 well I would predict C# will be good enough for more than 90% of the cases. |
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n*w
发帖数: 3393 | 26 i also have blur memory of this. |
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 27 not for serious programming |
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z***e
发帖数: 5393 | 28 what is "serious" programming?
many websites are using node.js as server side choice and it's javascript. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 29
That's for light-weight business apps. If you really have some serious
middle-tier logic to work on JS will disappoint. |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 30
yeah that 100$ fee is lame. |
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z***e
发帖数: 5393 | 31 so taobao/linkedin sounds like "light-weight" business apps...
MSFTer, open your eyes! |
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 32 那都是 data center 在后面顶着
你叫老邢把本站改成 server side js 试试 |
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z***e
发帖数: 5393 | 33 data center跟你用什么server side language又没太大联系,如果mitbbs用nosql的东
西，当然也就可以考虑用nodejs了。 |
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N********n
发帖数: 8363 | 34
It's not like they built the whole server-side on top of Node.js. JS
has inherent weakness. Even Google themselves as the once the biggest
JS pumper is now trying with Dart to replace JS. You need to keep an
eye on what is going on. |
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z***e
发帖数: 5393 | 35 那当然，本来web就是各种东西混在一起的，显然不可能whole server on top of node
/java/c++/python/whatever.
我只是针对前面说"serious app"不能用js而言。 |
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m****c
发帖数: 252 | 36 你确定？
Windows phone里面确实来了一对Windows的人。但是据我所知，老人可能有的是老人，
good performer就不知道了。win7 release之后, windows team reorg了一把，弄走了
一堆人。其中不少跑到了WP team。就我接触过的几个，不敢恭维。
但是我接触过的几个Windows的DEV，很多都是大牛。
比如，WinRT 主要的一个architect还是多年老 principal.
他是NetBSD的founder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NetBSD
如果 当年微软能够听他的建议，那么ARM这个市场上没Apple google啥事了。
还有一个DEV，Nvidia,Qualcomm, TI 的bring up和tuning主要是他干的。
他现在还是Senior...好多年senior了。
我觉得以后就该搞成profit share的模式。
大家都说Windows这个市场已经成熟了，做老了blabla。事实上，Windows在ARM上在手
机上都还很落后。可以做的事情很多。在企业市场，在cloud市场... 阅读全帖 |
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w*i
发帖数: 970 | 37 这个东西即便是对我爸妈都太低端了。我要么买ipad,要么winRT. |
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Y*********i
发帖数: 215 | 38 Win8 与 Win7 相比最主要的差别是winstore，touch和WinRT API。这两样的影响都需
要一定的时间才能显现出来。另外，我个人觉得win8手机非常不错。如果把苹果手机和
920或者8x放到一起，苹果手机已经不让人有鹤立鸡群的感觉了。win8手机的开始屏幕
优化后信息量大增，一般不需要动态更新的应用比如netflex就用小图标，而天气，图
片，股票等等需要更新的就用大图标。基本上一开机所需要关心的信息就一目了然，不
用再点来点去。从长远看win8前景是不错的。 |
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m****c
发帖数: 252 | 39 靴子终于掉到地板上了，这不是微软的第一次裁员也不会是微软最后一次裁员，而且以
后越来越频繁。
MSFT的移动策略全面溃败，现金牛枯竭，
不管Terry承认与否windows phone已经全面失败，市场份额几乎可以忽略不计。
移动平台架构一变再变，让开发者无所适从，健康的ecosystem一直没有建立起来。
相比之下Android平台经常几个月一个小release，一年一个大release。如果抛弃成见
，它的进步你可以看得到。而WP 8.1 的release，做了这么长时间，就做了这个玩意？
现如今，连诺基亚也完蛋了，中国的工厂研发，号称要搬到越南去（然后去印度？）好
吧，衷心祝愿他们开模顺利，下一代产品能够按时上市。做一次以后就知道啥是供应链
，啥是产业集群了。电子产品made in china是有原因的。
在平板上，windows市场份额在小数点后面，WinRT一败涂地。没啥说的，而且PAD市场
现在已经几乎饱和了。
XBOX One就是“windows phone 7”
Xbox 360 时代把sony打得落花流水，而到了XBOX One时代，XBOX销量也远不如PS4。
很多... 阅读全帖 |
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M********0
发帖数: 1230 | 41 BF趁着打折 入了一个Dell Venue 8Pro 两百出头
几天的体验发现这种win平板有很大的潜力
不像winRT那么鸡肋 又不像SurfacePro那么笨重 可以说是在两者之间相对完美的存在
性能足够强 可以运行传统x86程序 又没有i5系列那么厚重和续航差的缺点
最主要是这么小的平板 可以运行PS和LR 速度也可以接受 这个可以说是其存在的最大
优势
以后出去拍照 可以直接用板子+蓝牙鼠标简单处理照片 当然MBA从性能上是更好的选
择 但是考虑价格和重量 win平板还是很有优势
当然 目前这类的平板屏幕和ipad还有很大的差距
不过还是存在很大潜力的 |
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x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 42 你用用VS2012就知道WinRT多么不靠谱了。 |
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D*****3
发帖数: 2683 | 43 人人都有表达自己观点的权利，如果真觉得比其他好用，处处维护我果也无可厚非吧。
就像PDA版有很多软粉，整天发帖说winRT好用一样。大家都是成年人，有辨别是非的能
力。脑残的是那些喷子们，整天喷别人用的东西不好，倒贴送给他也不要，大多数喷子
都还没用过就开喷
状啊 |
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a****a
发帖数: 67 | 44 [Background]
Here's a email I sent to my friends, they know some Java technologies, but
not deep.
===========
Dear friends:
Here's my experience share with you guys.
How to survive in Microsoft technology ecosystem -
Although C# is 2nd-class citizen of Microsoft technology, but as a common
purpose programming language, there are lots of opportunities. C++ is the
king, for kernel development, but need long time to study.
In actually, C# is just a "Shell" of .NET Framework. All its power is given
... 阅读全帖 |
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G*********e
发帖数: 407 | 45 great!
Background]
Here's a email I sent to my friends, they know some Java technologies, but
not deep.
===========
Dear friends:
Here's my experience share with you guys.
How to survive in Microsoft technology ecosystem -
Although C# is 2nd-class citizen of Microsoft technology, but as a common
purpose programming language, there are lots of opportunities. C++ is the
king, for kernel development, but need long time to study.
In actually, C# is just a "Shell" of .NET Framework. All its power is... 阅读全帖 |
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s***o
发帖数: 2191 | 46 What about Microsoft Sync Framework?
Silverlight is fine for the future, dead or not, you can reuse most of your
code anyway with WinRT. It's not as easy as M$ demonstrated during BUILD
keynote though ( they were cheating...again). The problem is that not every
public machine has SL installed.
I would suggest WPF over SL and Windows Forms for the client side. |
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s***o
发帖数: 2191 | 47 What about Microsoft Sync Framework?
Silverlight is fine for the future, dead or not, you can reuse most of your
code anyway with WinRT. It's not as easy as M$ demonstrated during BUILD
keynote though ( they were cheating...again). The problem is that not every
public machine has SL installed.
I would suggest WPF over SL and Windows Forms for the client side. |
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s***o
发帖数: 2191 | 48 别听大佬乱讲。windows phone 8 都要开始用winRT内核了。
Silverlight is DEAD, but xaml will have a bright future. |
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