m*********r
发帖数: 4692 | 1 看不懂
The Cincinnati Reds have agreed to a three-year, $38 million deal with first
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m*********r
发帖数: 4692 | 2 votto还有three arbitration years, 不签长约的话要价也不能高到哪里去阿。。。 |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 3 But arbitration is based on service years. Votto is
just eligible for arbitration for the first time as
a super 2. He'd be lucky to get 8 million through
arbitration. I think Reds overpaid a few million
dollars to make their MVP happy, which really makes
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 4 nod nod. Even Werth got 126M. hehe
But all considered, Frak is probably a higher profile
player when complared with Votto. |
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m*********r
发帖数: 4692 | 5 votto doesn't want to sigh long term contract, he will leave in 2 years |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 6 Reds need to package Jay Bruce to get a decent righty. It's so ugly
to see him batting behind Votto. |
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 7 yes, this is my point
Votto is very consistent. Reds should try to sign him long term. |
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l*****a
发帖数: 3630 | 8 接上篇。
之前也有版友提到红人队的伤病问题，的确，这确实是红人本赛季崩盘的原因之一。
先说说投手:
先看一下这两年红人队的团队投手数据
ERA FIP
2013 3.38 3.81
2014 3.61 3.97
虽然2014赛季跟2013比略有下滑，但其实相差不多。考虑的2号先发Latos因伤只出赛了
半个赛季，3号先发Bailey也有2个月因伤缺阵，潜力无限的新秀Cingrani更是只投了2
个月，这样的成绩已经很难得了。不过红人本赛季也有一个惊奇，就是临时顶上先发的
Alfredo Simon先发30场，投出3.35ERA，入选明星赛，这应该是赛前没有人能想到的。
当然，Simon本赛季的成绩"水分"较大,FIP是很差的4.32,BABIP则是很低的0.262, 换句
话说，他本赛季的成绩是因为运气好的缘故。
再来看一下打击
wRC+ R/G
2013 97 4.31
2014 83 3.68
红人对2013年的打击水平略低于联盟平均值(联盟平均wRC+ 99-100)，算是中规中矩，
但是2014... 阅读全帖 |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 9 I just realized that Votto is just eligible for arbitration. I
am sure Reds want to sign him something similiar to this, but
Votto probably will shoot for the moon.
Votto clearly is the real deal. I am not so sure about Jay Bruce. |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 11 你个脑残光听人忽悠说特谢拉没有ARod时候被保送多少多少次。你知道丫那OBP
在首发一垒里边是第几档次吗？Adrian Gonzalez,Votto,Morneau之类没人保护的
大棒多了去了，特谢拉也就是给这些人擦鞋的水平，估计你这种脑残根本就没听说过。 |
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m*********r
发帖数: 4692 | 14 前面流感，是不是猪的不知道，现在又是什么中耳炎... |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 15 "padres要价比jays都高很多"--this is completely fair. AG is way better
than Halladay. He is one of the best 1B together with Fielder and Votto,
assuming Pujols is not available.
。估计顶多能换来VM,小做升级。今年红袜能进季后赛就不错了。 |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 20 Reds/Phillies
These two teams will split the major postseason awards in the national
league. Votto is the MVP; Halladay wins CY; and the manager of the year will
be between Dusty Baker and Charlie Manuel. And believe or not, while the
media have been drooling about H2O (Hallday, Hamels, and Oswalt), Reds may
just win this series and send Phillies home. Reds feature the best offense
in the NL, and achieved team batting triple crown (most in average, HR, and
RBI). Reds also rank the first in terms... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********y
发帖数: 590 | 21 作为Reds fan还是给点信心好不好
winning the series is a long shot
but I do think they'll be able to grind one out
话说我在DE的体育商店除了Phillies的球衣别的都买不到
结果上ebay买了件有Votto名字的小号t-shirt
打算明天穿并准备好朋友吐槽（这很多Phillies球迷）
今天到货却发现小到没法穿（估计是女式的）
明天只能穿朋友送的印有Halladay的了（很fan他）
郁闷中…… |
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o******s
发帖数: 416 | 22 NL SILVER SLUGGER WINNERS
The National League winners of the Silver Slugger Awards, with the number
each has won in his career.
POS. PLAYER NO.
C Brian McCann, Braves 4
1B Albert Pujols, Cardinals 6
2B Dan Uggla, Marlins 1
3B Ryan Zimmerman, Nationals 2
SS Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies 1
OF Ryan Braun, Brewers 3
OF Carlos Gonzalez, Rockies 1
OF Matt Holliday, Cardinals 4
P Yovan... 阅读全帖 |
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 23 that's right. too bad (gg+ss)*10 < mvp.
既然普猴摘下了Gold Glove和Silver Slugger，那MVP应该给Votto了吧，不然说不过去
啊。 |
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m*********r
发帖数: 4692 | 24 6年5100或者7年6300
votto估计会去哪里？ |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 25 这有啥看不懂的，窝头太厚道了，要价这么低。开了这个例子，扑猴估计
也不好意思多要了，红人从窝头身上省的小钱都给红鸟大省了。
first |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 26 arbitration稳赢啊，这合同便宜的连海盗都掏得起。 |
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a********l
发帖数: 39524 | 27 pujols的mvp投票仅列第二，我看少拿一些吧。 |
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A**d
发帖数: 13310 | 28 去年Lincecum的arbitration巨人开价就是8m，最后双方都让步了。你还得考虑
现在物价飞涨。 |
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 29 Howard got 8M 10M 15M through arbitration I believe |
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i*********r
发帖数: 5101 | 30 As I just saw the 1-20
1, Pujols
2, Halladay
3, Joe Mauer
4, Miguel Cabrera
5, Felix Hernandez
6, Tim Lincecum
7, A-GON
8, Robinson Cano
9, Ryan Braun
10, Josh Hamilton
11, Mariano Rivera
12, Evan Longoria
13, Hanley Ramirez
14, Troy Tulowitzki
15, Joey Votto
16, Buster Posey
17, Kevin Youkilis
18, Calos Gonzalez
19, C.C. Sabathia
20, Ryan Zimmerman
the next two were peeked from the board
21, A-Rod
22, Carl Crawford
23,...
welcome to fill the rest, I did not watch the rankings from 21 to 100 |
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s****n
发帖数: 4266 | 31 100. Aroldis Chapman
99. Carlos Santana
98. Grady Sizemore
97. Jacoby Ellsbury
96. Jose Valverde
95. Elivs Andrus
94. Tori Hunter
93. Justin Mornerau
92. Vernon Wells
91. Brian Roberts
90. Michael Young
89. Colby Rasmus
88. Yadier Molina
87. Scott Rolen
86. Jason Bay
85. Austin Jackson
84. David Ortiz
83. Vladimir Guerrero
82. Shane Victorino
81. Jay Bruce
80. Curtis Granderson
79. Jose Reyes
78. Justin Upton
77. Nick Markakis
76. Mike Stanton
75. Rafael Soriano
74. Mark Reynolds
73. Dan Haren
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j*****n
发帖数: 3617 | 32 #6 overall，Longoria， Votto or Cano? |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 33 Pujols + Votto. These 2 guys took almost $120 off my $260 budget. |
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n*******e
发帖数: 2213 | 34 分特。你还真buy into the hype. votto贵还是arod贵？ |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 35 We count OBP, instead of AVG. ARod is no match for Votto. |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 36 甭以为臭鱼烂虾堆一起就topdog了。以前养鸡花钱堆人能堆赢也算本事，现在
最烦的是很多该队的扇子和eastcoast media bias睁眼瞎。比如Texeira那个破烂
水平在丫职业生涯任何时候都排不进1B的top5，就因为丫能从左面打加上赶上
那年FA没有真正的大碗找了个人傻钱多的地儿，丫就整日以顶级1B面目没完没了
出现。CC也是类似的情况，价值绝大部分基于那个让人看的想吐的搞笑右外场。
进季后赛靠打线，赢冠军靠投手，这是基本常识。养鸡靠那个垃圾右外轻松骗到
季后赛名额，回头在季后赛被胖揍天经地义。好的左投本来就少，靠着垃圾场地
作弊混进季后赛回头就别哭被好投手收拾了是因为运气。
昨天比赛养鸡堆了6个左打，右打的只有一个擅长hit the other way的季队长
加上第一高工资ARod和捕手。不说顶级的Fielder,Hamilton,Votto,Howard这些人，
就随便举六个左打Lind, LoMo, Ethier, G Jones, Carp,Freeman这么六个人把昨天
打线里那六个overrate, overpaid的左打换了，养鸡的常规赛成绩能有本质区别？... 阅读全帖 |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 38 Where is this rumor from? It doesn't make a lot of sense for Reds.
Their pitching talents are ok, yet the heart of their lineup is
already too weak. |
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 39 MLB gm meeting ah. Shields will help develop some of the young pitchers Reds
have. |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 40 ft. Why don't they spend much less money on a good pitching coach?
This is Shield's career year. Who knows whether he can put better
numbers than Leake or Bailey next year.
Reds |
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k***n
发帖数: 3158 | 42 Reds should learn the lesson of trading away Josh Hamilton |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 43 That trade was at least ok, because both players were strong on
potentials. I don't recall when was the last time 2 teams traded
established players. Generally teams trade to get stars or save
money. What's the point of swapping 2 big name players who already
have deep impacts to the local market? |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 45 Shields is not bound by a long term contract, either. |
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p*****k
发帖数: 497 | 47 本来想发贺电的，进来才发现是谣言，空欢喜一场。
用好的hitter换好的pitcher，10次有9次是错误，何况是用MVP去换。Jocketty不会那
么傻的。 |
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a***n
发帖数: 5665 | 48 en 去年好像当年做这个教义的gm还接受采访，说当时主要是觉得hamilton太玻璃，一
年可能只能打90-100场比赛。 |
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p*****k
发帖数: 497 | 50 这个和去年的MVP评选有相似之处：去年Pujols的stats稍好，但Votto的球队赢了
division。今年是Kemp的stats稍好，但Braun的球队赢了division。 |
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