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g*b
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Amy Chua may well be nuts. What kind of a mother hauls her then-7-year-old
daughter's dollhouse out to the car and tells the kid that the dollhouse is
going to be donated to the Salvation Army piece by piece if the daughter
doesn't master a difficult piano composition by the next day? What kind of a
mother informs her daughter that she's "garbage"? And what kind of mother
believes, as Chua tells readers she does, that: "an A- is a bad grade; ...
the only activities your children should be permit... 阅读全帖
T**********e
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http://www.theroot.com/print/70748
Tiger Dating: Should Black Women Care?
By: Keli Goff
Posted: March 19, 2013 at 2:07 PM
Even with acceptance of interracial dating at an all-time high, we're still
asking the question.
A couple of years ago, I turned down an interview opportunity with a major
network for the first, but not last, time. The reason was the topic. The
producer wanted to know if I, as a black woman, was willing to weigh in on
the fact that the Tiger Woods scandal that was then unfold... 阅读全帖
c**i
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来自主题: Parenting版 - Tiger Mother
Continued under P.S. They are responses, reactions about the new book.
(Also, I fixed two URls in my original postings.)
(2)
(a) In Defense of the Guilty, Ambivalent, Preoccupied Western Mom; Ayelet
Waldman on the virtues of letting kids quit, have sleepovers and find their
own way. Wall Street Journal, Jan 14, 2011.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405
2748703333504576080422577800488.html
My comment:
(i) The online photo shows the face of the writer is all smooth, but the
photo in the pri... 阅读全帖
X*********r
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tiger woods前段时间到处泄漏,造成身价大跌。复出后表现大不如前,但是有越来越
好的迹象。前两天在us open上还拿了个第四,算不错了。bp呢,前段时间也是漏油漏
到一塌糊涂,勉强赌上后就没有疯狂下跌了。另外这两者之间还有另外一个相似之处,
就是tiger woods的经纪和李娟儿大牛。两者每天都在不遗余力地pump各自的主儿。当
然咯,tiger woods的经纪赚到盘满钵满,李娟儿呢?以后或许有机会吧
d*****t
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发信人: arnold (快乐的阿诺), 信区: Baseball
标 题: 咆哮吧,老虎们!---写在Detroit Tigers锁定2006季后赛席位之际(1
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Sep 26 14:49:35 2006)
作为一个长期潜水的老虎迷,在这样一个令人振奋的时刻,我有些不吐不快的感觉.写此
小文,向在前线奋战的老虎们致敬!
12年的输球记录,19年的季后赛干旱(写到这里才感到码字的艰辛,确切的说,是码汉字的
艰辛),说棒球在Detroit死气沉沉并不为过.3年前,Tigers更是险些打破Mets保持的120
场的大联盟输球记录,以119场创下美联记录.球队老板Mike Ilitch(拥有Little Caesar
,同时也是Red Wings老板)痛定思痛,于2004年初重金签下前一年世界冠军Marlins的功
臣,捕手及未来名人堂成员Pudge Rodriguez.
在这里说一点题外话,Ilitch这些年来在Detroit颇遭一些棒球迷的非议,原因不外乎他
在Red Wings上大把花钱,而在Tigers上稍显吝啬.当然,Red Wings也不负
A*f
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来自主题: NewYork版 - [通知] Golf 版举办投票:Tiger
【 以下文字转载自 Golf 讨论区 】
发信人: deliver (自动发信系统), 信区: Golf
标 题: [通知] Golf 版举办投票:Tiger
发信站: BBS 未名空间站自动发信系统 (Fri Dec 4 14:28:37 2009)
【此篇文章是由自动发信系统所张贴】
⊙ 投票开启于:Fri Dec 4 14:25:01 2009 类别:单选
⊙ 主题:Tiger
⊙ 票选题目描述:
Are you supporting Tiger from now on?
【选项如下】
(1) Definitely, I like him even more;
(2) Yes, no change
(3) Less likely
(4) No, not support him as before
d*****r
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⊙ 博彩发售于:2011-10-10 01:41:54 类别:单选
⊙ 博彩名称:ALCS Game 2: Tigers at Rangers
⊙ 依赖基金:BBFund
⊙ 发行价格:10 伪币
⊙ 博彩描述:
Max Scherzer (15-9) vs. Derek Holland (16-5)
Please note that this is a runline, which means if the number of runs that Rangers score - 1.5 > the number of runs that Tigers score, those who bet on Rangers win. and vice versa.
选项如下】:
(1) Tigers (赔率:1:1.75)
(2) Rangers - 1.5 run (赔率:1:1.75)
⊙ 链接地址:
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_fundlottery_list.php?fid=109
d*****r
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⊙ 博彩发售于:2011-10-10 23:55:07 类别:单选
⊙ 博彩名称:ALCS game 3: Rangers at Tigers
⊙ 依赖基金:BBFund
⊙ 发行价格:10 伪币
⊙ 博彩描述:
This is still a run difference bet.
Texas Rangers at Detroit Tigers
Colby Lewis (14-10) vs. Doug Fister (11-13) 8:05 pm EDT
选项如下】:
(1) Tigers (赔率:1:1.75)
(2) Rangers - 1.5 run (赔率:1:1.75)
⊙ 链接地址:
http://www.mitbbs.com/mitbbs_fundlottery_list.php?fid=109
d*****r
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⊙ 博彩开启于:Wed Oct 1 23:58:14 2014 类别:单选
⊙ 主题:ALDS Tigers VS Orioles
⊙ 博彩题目描述:
ALDS Tigers VS Orioles
【选项如下】
(1) Tigers
(2) Orioles
d*****r
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⊙ 博彩开启于:Mon Oct 6 22:57:16 2014 类别:多选
⊙ 主题:ALDS Tigers VS Orioles
⊙ 博彩题目描述:
ALDS Tigers VS Orioles
【打对勾者正确选项】
(1) Tigers
√(2) Orioles
x****g
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来自主题: Fishing版 - 参赛贴抛砖引玉 - tiger trout
没有倒刺溜鱼难呀!
还真是的, 我的crappie就跑的很少,除非开始就没有set hook。
我这里crappie还是少,特别大的更少。
就是最近tiger trout失手太多,对自己溜鱼没有信心。
发现tiger trout力气很大,14"的就扑腾的很厉害,就别说17"以上的了。
原来tiger trout是brown trout和brook trout杂交的产物,就像
骡子比马和驴子力气都大似的。

keep
B*****e
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来自主题: Football版 - follow tiger woods hole by hole
The list of raunchy phrases for this situation is endlss:
Tiger's Wood
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Falice
Tag Her Good!
Iron Wood
In the Rough
Daddysack
Wood She?
Back Nine Adventure
Master Blaster
When 18 holes Aren't Enough
Green Jackets, Black Balls
Nine Girls, Tin Cup
Tiger's PGA Whore
Trimming the Rough
The Ride-Her Cup
Pebble Breach
Steel Shaft, Titanium Head
Taking It One Hole At A Time
The Back Door Open
Stroke for Stroke
The Whoresome Foursome
Whore in One
Skins Game
The Clitish Open
Par 69
E********t
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来自主题: Golf版 - That's my tiger
Heartedly hope it is so.
Tiger being Tiger is because he's the best. Won't blame his missing 90% of
fairway, we all know that geniuses act in a totally different way
Grab a major this year, that's all my wish with crossed fingers with him. He
deserves at least one.
Go Tiger

That
many
have
than
skills--
that
E********t
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来自主题: Golf版 - That's my tiger
Definitely is the case as you described to Vijay, at least I don't care about
him:)
Talent is gained through several ways, Vijay is trained so hard that he is
supposed to deserve a spot on the edge of Tiger Watch. But that's it. Vijay
can never catch Tiger. Not to mention 41 vs. 28(?), Tiger is aiming at
Nicolson.
God (or whatever really matters) help his swing, even Kirk Tripplet. Maybe
O'Meara is the right person. That is so really the thing that matters. You can
hit one hundred out-of-human-t
b***y
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来自主题: Golf版 - That's my tiger
I miss the old Tiger so much, when he made everybody else on the golf course
like a fool! But I am not sure that old Tiger can come back or not.
BTW, what is up with Nicolson?! Why is Tiger atiming at him? I assume it
should be Nicklaus instead?

about
can
c********x
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来自主题: Golf版 - Is Tiger back?
Well, I do not think people have been picky on Tiger. Considering his
Tiger Slam 5 years ago, he experienced a major slump in the past several
years. Therefore, any question/doubt is pretty much justified.
As of Tiger, you always want to question why he wanted to make the swing
changes in the first place. IMHO, it is a reflection of his ego. He wanted
to convince both himself and others that he made the right decision. If you
watched him play five or six years ago, you would have realized that h
s*******w
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来自主题: Golf版 - Tiger wins WGC-Amex!
tiger was tough to beat, but really felt bad for jd, such a pity to miss a two
footer in a playoff. also during regulation play, he missed a very short put
on 17 to fall into a tie with tiger. just not his day. hope to see more of jd
vs. tiger in the future.
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - Tiger's pressure
I guess there are not too many people who can play as ususal when playing with
Tiger Woods.
Garcia 4 over so far.....He is embrassing himself.
My friend said, when China No.1 Zhang Lianwu played with Tiger last year at
the HSBC championship, he was even afraid of having eye contacts with Tiger
Woods.
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - Tiger's pressure
Among those players who are younger than Tiger Woods, I believe Adam Scott
gets better chance than Seigo Garcia.
Adam Scott has the perfect swing, tho his short game is not as good as Tiger's
.
Tiger is unreal, truly. Listen to his swing speed and ball contact sound......

with
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - love to see tiger walking
sigh..
it seems to me that Tiger dominates the field will never happen.
The reporter asked Tiger, compared 1997's you and now, what could you shot
at the back 9 of the 1st round? Tiger said, probably 70.
I thought it's on the other way around. he could play better using his 1997'
s swing.
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - Nick Faldo and Tiger Woods.
Nick Faldo, 3 times The Open champions, is the TV commentator of Golf
Channel this year, paring with Kelly to host the weekdays PGA tournament
broadcasting.
You guys might not know He is kind of enemy of Tiger Woods 'coz he had some
bad comments about Tiger Woods.
Here is a video taking about that.
By the way, in Faldo's era, his story with "white shark" Greg Norman is like
Tiger Woods vs Phil, a little bit..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-beFq_EXtg8
ET
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exactly...
However, just nobody would like to admit Tiger is not beatable seriously,
until they were pairing with Tiger.
Also, Tiger is a kind of person who is..Which word should I say? If someone
has said something bad/negative about him, he seems look that party as his
enemy..
He is not a fun person.

Saturday
.
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - Tiger's secret
文章出现在2008年第一期golf digest上,
http://www.golfdigest.com/magazine/2008/01/tigersecrets
看了让我唏嘘不已,文中对Tiger Woods golf swing的描述和我现在理解的非常相似,
比如taller stance, upright swing plane, swing in front of the body, 同时,对
Tiger woods在去年各个时期swing的变化的描述和我当时的感觉也相当接近, 比如,
提到的他squat too much, weight on the behind foot after the downswing......
Haney讲的不少我也很赞同,比如golf swing is a feel. 不仅是full swing, 还有
putting stroke. Butch Harman对Adam Scott的推球技术也说过Adam太依赖technical
了,他该有更多的feel在里面。
另外就是练习的效率。说Tiger在本赛季后半程再也没在比赛后去练习场,然后他赢
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - Tiger Woods ' daughter - Sam Woods..
【 以下文字转载自 LosAngeles 讨论区 】
发信人: ET (Go on. Be a Tiger.), 信区: LosAngeles
标 题: Tiger Woods ' daughter - Sam Woods..
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jan 24 01:15:15 2008)
much better looking than Tiger..
Sweet..
ET
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【 以下文字转载自 LosAngeles 讨论区 】
发信人: ET (Go on. Be a Tiger.), 信区: LosAngeles
标 题: Tiger Woods , -6 today, -18 through 3 rounds
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Jan 26 22:55:10 2008), 站内
Tiger Woods另外一个统治golf的黄金时期又到了。
简直不可思议!
ET
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不出意外的赢了,后9洞接连3洞的bogey似乎也显示着他当时的心不在焉,小鸟球的结
尾为本论比赛画上漂亮的句号。
我想不是所有的人都明白我在说什么,或我说的意味着什么。
每位在PGA tour的球员都有很好的挥杆动作,有些人比Tiger Woods击得远,有人比他
推球推得好,或有人在某个星期里偏偏状态很好,但没有人能像tiger woods一样持续
稳定的赢。过去没有,将来也不会有 - 如果这项运动不换成机器人来打得话。
在golf这项“体育”运动中,技巧(计术)和球员的心理同样的重要,这区别与其它很多
运动。比如网球,你不需要最好,你只需要比你的对手好就能赢得比赛;足球,篮球这
些集体运动更没可比性;
高尔夫里和球员竞技有来自对手的压力,但很少,我也是最近才明白这个道理。比如我
和几个职业一起打球时我最初很在乎我打得不够好,后来我明白他们根本不关心我打得
这么样,他们只希望他们打出最好的成绩。 这里说的就是,除了要比同组的人打出更
好的成绩外,还要比同场地的近100人打出更好的成绩。
Tiger Woods的伟大之处,只是说对这项运动, 是他的专注, 这是他远超过其他对手
的地方,
P*******a
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赞好文!
昨天tiger连续3个bogey,没有压力,就是没有动力。纵观这4天,俺虽远不如ET你了解
技术,但tiger的稳定性真是超强。单论每一天每一轮,他通常都不是那个单轮最佳杆数
的选手,但是他可以每天保持着前进而稳健的步伐,而不是今天-7,明天就来了个+3。
期待今天tiger的表现
P*******a
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来自主题: Golf版 - Tiger Survives
Baddeley好强阿,Tiger 9-12洞连续4个birdie,也没甩开。
按照累计计算,tiger今天18洞达完,好像都-8了,结果还是平手。最后19洞,两人又b
irdie,20洞tiger才birdie胜出
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - Tiger Survives
actually, he shot great.. great.. better than Tiger.
unfortunately, he didn't grasp the several chances..
in the meantime, that's why Tiger is Tiger.
t*****n
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I guess it is pretty serious injury. "stress fractures"!! Those words made my
two sad days this year. First is Yao and now Tiger, tiger's knee is probably
not as bad as Yao's foot. But definitely career-threatening. wondering if
he will be the same tiger again.

rest
of
2008
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - shame on tiger's cadie
I am not only watching this forum. I've been idolizing Tiger Woods for years
. Like I said, if he didn't do something about it, there is no respect from
me to him anymore. So I care.
sure, I can't claim i am with the majority. Well, from online discussion I'
ve read, I am pretty sure I am talking about the majority.
in the meantime, you don't think Steve is too selfish regarding this matter.
He is nothing, if he doesn't carry bag for Tiger. He is taking advantage of
Tiger, gets his word out of t
ET
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they just highlighted his best #.
just watched the game, see how many players, when pairing with Tiger, hit th
e same tee-shot distance as Tiger.
Tiger's driver gave him too much trouble. it's the reason he uses 3-wood a l
ot. well, you can say he tries to use different way to manage his course pla
y.
he is always playing out of the trouble. like hit 3-wood to be short of fair
way bunker. (normally, it's about 260-280 yards from tee). other guys just o
mit the bunker, and go over it.

now
d***t
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来自主题: Golf版 - tiger's swing
another question, kind of related - when would you make a swing change?
Tiger had swing change a couple times, even he was at his peak performance..
.why did he do that? hmm...maybe that's why tiger is tiger.
v*****r
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last time played callippe preseve and entered my score at oobgolf.com
found this guy had best score at Callippe
he also played at harding park
http://www.oobgolf.com/golfers/score.php?id=659886
he scored 75. seems like he is rigid score keeper...
no 450+ yard long par4, no 220+ long par3
slope is only 125, quite some short par4 which tiger could reach in one... i
figure tiger woiuld birdie almost every hole, do you agree?
guess tiger could score 55 or something on course like this, 330 par4 to
A*f
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来自主题: Golf版 - this is a good year for Tiger?
anyone knows tiger's yersteday round stats?
i feel like Tiger made most of GIR, while kenny perry was struggling, and go
up and down, try to save. kenny perry made tons of miracle save until he
run out of luck. while, tiger made most of GIR, but he was very conservative
, didnt give him any chance for birdie. i got the same feeling when i
watched at PGA championship.
yes, he missed few putts here and there, but he just didnt get himself
enough chance. there are many 140-180 approaching shots for
A*f
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yeah,
all the signs are that tiger will start at bayhill as season opening for him.
it is Palmer's backyard, and rumors said that tiger has been there since.
also, it is familiar course for him, which can easy some pressure off,
perfect to tune up for masters.
expect tiger to announce join bayhill pretty soon.
t*******5
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两人其实互看不爽
看drama喽
之前调侃tiger纯粹是无聊找茬
俺最fan Phil,但是tiger还是打得很好的
对于啥都不懂的门外汉,人就任tiger
这就好像买电脑时只看cpu平率一样无聊
虽然那两人互看不爽,但估计两人也互相承认是最能威胁自己的选手
看drama,希望两人发挥都好,两天都一起。明天倒数第二出发,周日倒数第一出发
俺这周末就不出去泡小妞了,专心看比赛 lol
ET
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来自主题: Golf版 - tiger yah..
that's fine.
some people do think in that way, including me.
i used to be a fan of him. now i appreciate more humble guys like Steve Stri
ker, and some guys who are really fun to watch, like ..i don't know.
still, Tiger is the one who makes so many young people to pick up the golf c
lubs, also, he is the one who make you think impossible is nothing (in some
way, and to some extend).
Nick Faldo commments Tiger's apperance at the Champions dinner, like "Tiger
is much more humble and real. He was l
t*******5
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来自主题: Golf版 - tiger will "evaluate things"...
人这是心理问题,俺都说了
他的老婆是给全天下男人的警告
娶村姑=自杀
村姑只能玩,玩完了给她水里放颗plan b
人tiger本身其实很可怜的,被经济人逼着做假人
回到家里还有个sb村姑母老虎,那人要是没tiger,就是一不能再普通的白ws女
想离婚,经纪人不同意
悲剧啊
俺虽然爱调侃tiger,但还是希望他能恢复状态。要不Phil没对手,不好玩了

sky
v*****r
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golf.com reported that he is analyzing his swing using video... and tiger
praised about techology...
at this point, tiger woods himself is the greatest swing instructor...
if tiger indeed needs a swing coach, he should hire a good looking lady
instructor... or a LPGA player ____ fill in a name here...
w*******d
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来自主题: Golf版 - phil 极度需要 tiger阿
没错,前几个月tiger没出来phil一塌糊涂,tiger一复出phil马上就牛逼了。难道他们
俩有难言之隐!?
大圣保佑tiger千万不要miss cut啊!

v***s
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来自主题: Golf版 - Tiger: you need make the DAMN cut!
Go Tiger! We all pray for you, not for Tiger at all. I can't believe Tiger
needed two stokes to get out of one bunker yesterday. The last time I needed
two shots for a bunker save was five months ago. LOL.
A*f
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来自主题: Golf版 - 看tiger 打球
nah, 250 was almost his good/best shot for 3woods
it is much harder to expect "avg" 250 from 3woods.
I know pros can do it.
This year, Frys open, on Sunday, I follow Ernie after Tiger was done early.
Almost the whole crowd were rooting for Ernie as well. He was 2 shots from
the lead, on #16 par3, he hit a great tee shot and landed on green, maybe 20
feet from hole, but he missed the birdie putt so badly.
then #17 was a drivable par4, it was listed as 290 from tee. the same hole,
I watched Tiger,... 阅读全帖
b**j
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which tigers? lsu or clemson or.. mizzou tigers? or.. memphis tigers? hehe

game
host
wh
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来自主题: Rock版 - Survivor - Eye Of The Tiger
有人熟悉这个乐队吗?刚刚听到这支歌,初听声音以为是air supply,挺喜欢的。
Eye Of The Tiger
Risin' up
back on the street
did my time took my chances
went the distance
now i'm back on my feet
just a man and and his will to survive
so many times
it happens too fast
you trade your passion for glory
don't lose your grip on the dreams of the past
you must fight just to keep them alive
Chorus
It's the eye of the tiger
it's the thrill of the fight
risin' up to the challenge of our rival
and the last known survivor stalks his prey in t... 阅读全帖
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来自主题: Girl版 - Fisher Tiger (转载)
【 以下文字转载自 Dreamer 讨论区 】
发信人: Dreamer (不要问我从哪里来), 信区: Dreamer
标 题: Fisher Tiger
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri May 4 17:09:49 2012, 美东)
他生前,一直努力压抑仇恨。他领导了奴隶独立运动,人们把他奉为英雄。他没有告诉
别人他曾经做过奴隶,他压抑自己报复杀人的冲动,只为了反抗暴行而反抗。他知道乙
姬王妃所倡导的和平谅解才是正道,但他做不到。
和乙姬王妃一样,甘地出生富裕,在英国考了律师执照。他之所以能倡导非暴力不合作
运动,与这不无关系。He wasn't wronged, personally. 乙姬王妃同样出身高贵。这
并没有折损于他们的伟大。我只是说,没有过个人创伤的人,他们更容易持和平、宽容
的立场。
Fisher Tiger 做不到。他领导武装反抗,但一直禁止杀人。反抗是为了反抗对方的暴
行,但杀人却是把自己降得和对方一样。这是他的底线。但是,他不想杀人吗?他死于
失血过多,临死前他本可以输人类的血,但他不愿意。他太恨人类了,他宁愿死。
但他做到了。他没有传播仇恨,他... 阅读全帖
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说,tigers赢的话,6个月以上成年猫免费领养
During the entire month of JULY all adult cats over 6 months old will be
FREE to caring homes when the Tigers win! And, if by chance they lose, the
adoption fee will equal the number of runs the Tigers score.
昨晚赢了,今天真兑现承诺来了!!!!!
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来自主题: Literature版 - Tiger Mother
I just added the following under P.S. They are responses, reactions about
the new book. (Also, I fixed two URls in my original postings, Thanks for
tolerance of boardmasters here.)
(2)
(a) In Defense of the Guilty, Ambivalent, Preoccupied Western Mom; Ayelet
Waldman on the virtues of letting kids quit, have sleepovers and find their
own way. Wall Street Journal, Jan 14, 2011.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405
2748703333504576080422577800488.html
My comment:
(i) The online photo shows th... 阅读全帖
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Can Buddhism Cure Tiger Woods' Sex Addiction?
http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/ask_the_answer_bitch/b168025_can_buddhism_cure_tiger_woods_sex.html
I just heard Tiger's press conference and am impressed. But how does he
think Buddhism can cure his sex addiction?
—ForNay, via the Answer B!tch inbox
Well, he didn't exactly say that. What yesterday's very deflated version of
Tiger Woods did say about his religion—and what it means—is this...
During Woods's closely controlled speech—can't call it a pr
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