Y***u 发帖数: 412 | 1 美国之音中文网 Chinese
自1942年以来一直是您可靠的新闻和信息来源
关于美国之音 | 联络我们 | 繁體 | 简体
2010年 12月 12日最新报道巴以对美国中东政策反应不一 维基揭密创始人引发分歧
和争议 瑞典警方称斯德哥尔摩爆炸为恐怖行动 中国将“耐心”推进两韩问题六方会
谈 伊拉克两起自杀式爆炸炸死至少13人
选择语言 Afan Oromo Albanian Amharic Armenian Azerbaijani Azeri Bangla
Bosnian Burmese Cantonese Chinese Creole Croatian Dari English Worldwide
French Georgian Greek Hausa Indonesian Khmer Khmer (English) Kinyarwanda
Kirundi Korean Kurdi Kurdish Lao Learning English Macedonian Mandarin
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Y***u 发帖数: 412 | 2 美国之音中文网 Chinese
自1942年以来一直是您可靠的新闻和信息来源
关于美国之音 | 联络我们 | 繁體 | 简体
2010年 12月 12日最新报道巴以对美国中东政策反应不一 维基揭密创始人引发分歧
和争议 瑞典警方称斯德哥尔摩爆炸为恐怖行动 中国将“耐心”推进两韩问题六方会
谈 伊拉克两起自杀式爆炸炸死至少13人
选择语言 Afan Oromo Albanian Amharic Armenian Azerbaijani Azeri Bangla
Bosnian Burmese Cantonese Chinese Creole Croatian Dari English Worldwide
French Georgian Greek Hausa Indonesian Khmer Khmer (English) Kinyarwanda
Kirundi Korean Kurdi Kurdish Lao Learning English Macedonian Mandarin
Ndebele Pashto Pashto - Deewa Persian Portugue... 阅读全帖 |
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f***e 发帖数: 5443 | 4 n the case of Tibet, the charity is the Tibet Fund, an organization backed
partially by the U.S. State Department and which works with Tibet’s
government in exile, the Central Tibetan Administration, that raises money
for health care and education for Tibetan refugees.
这些钱是捐给藏独的 |
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f***e 发帖数: 5443 | 5 In the case of Tibet, the charity is the Tibet Fund, an organization backed
partially by the U.S. State Department and which works with Tibet’s
government in exile, the Central Tibetan Administration, that raises money
for health care and education for Tibetan refugees.
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xt 发帖数: 17532 | 6 Tenzing (Dharamsala)
4 hrs ago (05:54 PM)
Dalai Lama nephew did it for getting world attention
of the Tibetan cause in India since Dalai Lama is now
under heavy scrutiny from India Intelligence who may
anytime label him on espionage with Karmapa. In fact,
Dalai Lama must have accumulated much much more money
than Karmapa. When things get pressurized, Dalai Lama
is all set to give up and be tried together with Karmapa
before India deport them back to Tibet. All Tibetans
in Dharamsala have already... 阅读全帖 |
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g**1 发帖数: 10330 | 7 Dalai Lama says he'll give up political role
(AP) – 35 minutes ago
DHARMSALA, India (AP) — The Dalai Lama said Thursday that he will give
up his political role in Tibet's government-in-exile, shifting that
power to an elected representative.
The Tibetan spiritual leader, speaking on the anniversary of the 1959
Tibetan uprising against Chinese control, said the time has come "to
devolve my formal authority to the elected leader."
He has long insisted that he wants the exile government, based in t... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******8 发帖数: 12734 | 8 【 以下文字转载自 Military2 讨论区 】
发信人: story9988 (小小故事人), 信区: Military2
标 题: Re: 坏事传千里,上了yahoo了
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jul 18 11:02:43 2011, 美东)
still there
Four dead in police station clash in China's Xinjiang
At least four people including a police officer were killed when a crowd
attacked a police station in China's restive Xinjiang region on Monday, the
official Xinhua news agency reported.
The attackers, who were apparently from the region's mainly Muslim Uighur
minority, set fire to the building in ... 阅读全帖 |
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TN 发帖数: 1870 | 9 How free are the Chinese people? How free to worship as they please? To
learn the truth from the media? To hear the truth from the Communist Party
and the government? How can people with a grievance negotiate with the state
?
Tibetan Buddhism has long been feared as a rallying point and cover for
Tibetan independence. Worship is permitted on the Party's strict terms --
neither government employees nor students are allowed to practice. A study
in contrasts, official Catholicism -- administered no... 阅读全帖 |
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m***o 发帖数: 995 | 10 维基解密上千线人身份被公布
综合国外媒体9月2日报道,沉寂了半年多的维基解密网站日前因公布约13.4万份美
国国务院外交电报而再次成为世人关注的焦点。与以往不同的是,这次公布的电报均未
经编辑,众多秘密消息源的姓名全部遭曝光。此举不仅令美国和澳大利亚的官方大为担
忧,而且也让一贯支持维基解密的《纽约时报》等五家大媒体联手对该网站发起抵制。
涉及亚洲敏感国家
2010年年底,维基解密网站曾向《纽约时报》以及其他一些媒体提供了251287份美
国250多个驻外大使馆和领事馆与美国国务院互发的秘密电报,这些媒体在进行公开报
道时,删除了被认为可能遭到报复的消息源的人名。不过由于电报数量巨大,当时只公
开了不到一半。
近日,维基解密网站提出要原封不动地公开所有电报内容,被合作媒体拒绝,于是
从8月30日开始,维基解密在短短几天内就在其网站公开了约13.4万份未经处理的电报
。这批电报所涉及的大多是位于亚洲、与美国关系不睦的国家,其中关于阿富汗的有2
万份,关于巴基斯坦的1.3万份,关于伊朗的3万份,还有少量涉及中国的内容。
这些电报大多是美国驻各国大使、参赞、武官等外交官发给美国国务院的所在国... 阅读全帖 |
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m**********n 发帖数: 27535 | 12 Many Tibetans resent Beijing's heavy-handed rule and large-scale migration
of China's ethnic Han majority to the Himalayan region. While China claims
Tibet has been under its rule for centuries, many Tibetans say the region
was functionally independent for most of that time.
http://news.yahoo.com/china-again-close-tibet-during-sensitive- |
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O*******d 发帖数: 20343 | 14 AP的Gillian Wong做了如下报道。
BEIJING, China - Chinese authorities are responding to an intensified wave
of Tibetan self-immolation protests against Chinese rule by clamping down
even harder — criminalizing the suicides, arresting protesters' friends and
even confiscating thousands of satellite TV dishes.
http://news.yahoo.com/tibetan-burnings-increase-china-seizes-re
上边的报道关键词是criminalizing the suicides。
看新华网对国内政策的报道。 根本没有说自杀本身是犯罪。
新华网兰州1月15日电 近日,甘肃警方成功侦破境外达赖集团“藏青会”骨干成员组织
策划,境内不法分子蛊惑、煽动的有组织有预谋自焚杀人案,该案造... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****u 发帖数: 17243 | 15 BEIJING -- Three Tibetans have died after setting themselves on fire to prot
est Chinese rule in a western region where authorities have imposed a heavy
security presence, exiled Buddhist monks and reports said Thursday.
More than 100 Tibetans have self-immolated since 2011 to protest Chinese pol
icies in the region and call for the return of their beloved spiritual leade
r, the Dalai Lama, from exile.
Two of the three latest protesters were monks at a monastery in Ruo'ergai co
unty of Aba prefe... 阅读全帖 |
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o****y 发帖数: 26355 | 16 Tibetans can not invade China.
China should be afraid Russian more.
Even in a democratic China, Tibetan will benefit greatly from be part of
China.
Chinese will still give them financial aids. |
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m********3 发帖数: 3280 | 17 美国白宫于21日发布的有关奥巴马总统与第十四世达赖喇嘛尊者会见的声明。
关于奥巴马总统与第十四世达赖喇嘛尊者会见的声明
2014年2月21日
今天上午奥巴马总统在白宫会见了第十四世达赖喇嘛尊者。总统重申了他对保持西藏独
特的宗教、文化和语言传统以及保护中华人民共和国境内藏人的人权的大力支持。
总统赞扬了达赖喇嘛对和平与非暴力的承诺,并表示支持尊者的中间路线。总统强调他
鼓励中国政府与达赖喇嘛通过对话以解决长期存在的分歧,并认为一个有结果的会谈对
中国和藏人都是有利的。
在此背景下,总统重申美国承认西藏是中国领土的一部分以及美国不支持西藏独立的立
场。达赖喇嘛说他没有寻求西藏独立并希望中国政府能够重启与他的代表的对话。总统
和达赖喇嘛都认为美中两国保持积极和建设性的关系很重要。
(注:该声明译者为前哥大学生陈闯创)
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 21, 2014
Readout of the President’s Meeting with His Holiness the XIV Dalai Lama
The President met this mor... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****9 发帖数: 6768 | 18 A11 Unmarried Amerasian son or daughter of a U.S. citizen born in Cambodia,
Korea, Laos, Thailand, or Vietnam. Sec. 203(a)(1) of the INA and 204(g) as
added by PL-97-359 (Oct. 22, 1982)- ((entered with IV))
A12 Child of an alien classified as A11 or A16. Sec. 203(d) of the INA and
204(g) as added by PL-97-359 (Oct. 22, 1982) – ((entered with IV))
A16 Unmarried Amerasian son or daughter of a U.S. citizen born in Cambodia,
Korea, Laos, Thailand, or Vietnam. Sec. 203(a)(1) of the INA and 204(g) as
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l**a 发帖数: 5175 | 19 I do not agree.
I agree they can keep their own culture that is what they wished for.
I think we chinese are far, far away from them in race.
I do not agree mix with them.
I agree withdraw chinese from Tibet if they wish for.
I do not agree with their independence.
I agree they have to claim they are part of china,
They Tibetans handle their own issue.
China should have confidence, it will be they tibetan ask us, not we chinese
Go to order them.
Why do we have no confidence in handling minoritie... 阅读全帖 |
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b********n 发帖数: 38600 | 20 http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/politics/140904/does-th
Look at that face. You're suddenly a bit more serene, a bit more contented
than you were a minute ago, aren't you? Maybe you're remembering the year —
was it 2002? 2003? — when you gave every single one of your friends and
family a copy of "The Art of Happiness" for Christmas.
On the other hand, if you're the president, prime minister, or foreign
secretary of any country in the world, then this face is giving you serious
angina righ... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********r 发帖数: 42116 | 21 http://news.yahoo.com/dalai-lama-says-no-successor-215550161.ht
The Dalai Lama has told a German newspaper that he should be the last
Tibetan spiritual leader, ending a centuries-old religious tradition from
his Himalayan homeland.
"We had a Dalai Lama for almost five centuries. The 14th Dalai Lama now is
very popular. Let us then finish with a popular Dalai Lama," he said.
"If a weak Dalai Lama comes along, then it will just disgrace the Dalai Lama
," he added with a laugh, according to a trans... 阅读全帖 |
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t**e 发帖数: 2379 | 22 1904 - Tibet and Great Britain sign a treaty in Lhasa, ending a brief period
of military aggression during which the Dalai Lama flees to China. Great
Britain's interest is in securing trade rights and it overcomes Tibetan
resistance with force. China is not involved in the treaty negotiation.
April 27, 1906 - Great Britain and China sign a treaty recognizing China's
dominion of Tibet; the treaty is negotiated without any Tibetan
participation.
这写的跟英国出卖了西藏一样。事实是,英国1904年签了个无效的treaty,1906年重签
。即便清朝快... 阅读全帖 |
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w*********o 发帖数: 3030 | 23 It's hard to say if the glory he have had is at the expense of ordinary
Tibetans (or Tibetan Chinese) or not. |
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x****o 发帖数: 21566 | 24 色达喇荣五明佛学院位于四川省甘孜藏族自治州色达县境内,距离县城东南方向约20公
里,海拔3700米。色达喇荣五明佛学院属藏传佛教宁玛派,由晋美彭措堪布于1980年创
办。1993年被美国《世界报》称为“世界上最大的佛学院”
http://www.tchrd.org/china-issues-demolition-order-on-worlds-largest-religious-town-in-tibet/
Chinese authorities have announced the destruction of thousands of monastic
dwellings and expulsion of monks, nuns and lay practitioners at Serthar
Larung Gar Buddhist Institute, the famed Tibetan Buddhist religious
encampment located in Serthar (Ch: Seda) County in Kardze (Ch: Ganzi)
Tibetan ... 阅读全帖 |
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d******a 发帖数: 32122 | 25
我估计是按照这个粗细程度,还是不够细,很多都给归并了。
Btw,你祖先可能是苗瑶
O3 (M122) Typical of populations of East Asia, Southeast Asia, and
culturally Austronesian regions of Oceania, with a moderate distribution in
Central Asia
O3*
O3a (M324)
O3a*
O3a1 (M121, DYS257)
O3a2 (M164)
O3a3 (LINE1, M159) Found at low to moderate frequency throughout
East Asia and Southeast Asia, especially among Hmong-Mien peoples and Han
Chinese
O3a4 (M7) Typical of Hmong-Mien peoples
O3a... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****u 发帖数: 17243 | 27 还有完全屏蔽了Tibetan这个词。
比如藏羚羊,本来常用Tibetan antelope,但片子里用了chiru.
这还不算什么,青藏高原被翻译成了青海高原 |
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b****a 发帖数: 4465 | 28 (法新社新德里15日电) 警方今天表示,一名在印度的西藏学生昨天高喊「自由」后
引火自焚,伤势严重。
这名学生在北方省(Uttar Pradesh)圣城瓦拉纳西(Varanasi)的中央大学西藏研究
院(Central University for Tibetan Studies)自焚。
不过,印度警方说,他们调查发现,这名20岁学生最近考试不及格,也可能是自焚行动
的原因。
「国际支援西藏运动」(International Campaignfor Tibet)确认这名学生名叫丹增
曲英(Tenzin Choeying),并引述于瓦拉纳西的活动组织「西藏青年大会」(Tibetan
Youth Congress)主席奇美南加(Chime Namgyal)说,丹增曲英自焚前高喊「刘晓波
永生,胜利归于西藏」。 |
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d*****u 发帖数: 17243 | 30 苏美尔语(已经破译)跟古汉藏语有一定对应
我用汉语作例子便于阅读,但实际上研究人员用的是proto-sino-tibetan进行对比
比如
女人是mu,汉语 母
骨头kak,汉语 骨(古入声闭音节)
嘴ka,汉语 口
手shu,汉语 手
死gum,汉语 亡
白bar,汉语 白(古闭音节)
黑ngig,汉语 黑(古闭音节)
星shun, 汉语 星,辰
Many parallels between Sumerian and Tibeto-Burman in the basic lexicon (
about a half of the 100-word Swadesh list) confirmed the idea of Sino-
Tibetan origin of Sumerian. J.
Braun’s investigation presented also common cultural lexicon of Sumerian
and Tibeto-
Burman including the words for ‘sheep’, ‘goat’, and ‘copper’ whi... 阅读全帖 |
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t******g 发帖数: 183 | 31 In Stockholm, however, Chief Prosecutor Mats Ericsson said an investigation
was closed on Sept. 7 after concluding that police had done nothing wrong.
"This is very normal (when you have) disorderly behavior," he was quoted as
saying by the Aftonbladet newspaper, one of Sweden's largest.
"Police have the right to remove a person from one place to another," he
said.
Citing a police report, the tabloid said two people were lying on a sofa in
the hotel lobby and refused to leave the premises at abo... 阅读全帖 |
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h***n 发帖数: 1275 | 32 所以有各种面部畸形,看了都恐怖
最恐怖的是那种厉害的地包天,天包地,加上上尖下宽的脸型
这是典型的南岛小黑人和孟-高棉人的混血
sino-tibetan的基因被中国的原住民基因给淹没了
难怪孔子说人心不古世风日下,因为sino-tibetan 的基因慢慢在消失 |
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发帖数: 1 | 34 Tibetan monks traditionally choose the Dalai Lama through a ritualistic
search that can take years, with a wandering party seeking telltale signs
that a young boy is the reincarnation of the last spiritual leader.
The 14th Dalai Lama, who has lived in exile in India since fleeing an
aborted uprising in 1959, has mused of a non-traditional succession that
would throw off China.
He has said he could choose a successor while he is still alive -- possibly
a girl -- or even decide that he was the fin... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1 | 35 不知道
俄国几个登山家不信邪, 登上去之后一年就老了好几十岁
https://www.rbth.com/blogs/tatar_straits/2017/02/24/when-a-russian-doctor-
tried-to-crack-the-mystery-of-the-abode-of-lord-shiva_707558
When a Russian doctor tried to crack the mystery of the abode of Lord Shiva
Dr Ernst Muldashev, a Russian ophthalmologist based in Ufa, came up with a
theory that Mount Kailash in Tibet is actually an ancient manmade pyramid
that is surrounded by smaller pyramids and is linked to pyramids in Giza and
Teotihuacan.
Standing at 6718 m... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******8 发帖数: 12734 | 36 still there
Four dead in police station clash in China's Xinjiang
At least four people including a police officer were killed when a crowd
attacked a police station in China's restive Xinjiang region on Monday, the
official Xinhua news agency reported.
The attackers, who were apparently from the region's mainly Muslim Uighur
minority, set fire to the building in the remote city of Hotan in the far
northwest and took a number of hostages, the report said.
Two of the dead were hostages, one was a ... 阅读全帖 |
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n*t 发帖数: 789 | 37 http://www.kansaspress.ku.edu/concia.html
Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison
April 2002
320 pages, 24 photographs, 9 maps, 6-1/8 x 9-1/4
Modern War Studies
Cloth ISBN 978-0-7006-1159-1, $34.95
Defiance against Chinese oppression has been a defining characteristic of
Tibetan life for more than four decades, symbolized most visibly by the much
revered Dalai Lama. But the story of Tibetan resistance weaves a far richer
tapestry than anyone might have imagined.
Kenneth Conboy and James Morrison revea |
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d****0 发帖数: 263 | 38 What Is Really Behind
The Furore Over Tibet?
By Sharat G. Lin
15 April, 2008
Countercurrents.org
Riots in Tibetan cities and the Olympic torch relay have generated an
immense global furore over China's alleged human rights record in Tibet. The
impression is given that China is using its police and army to violently
enforce a brutal occupation on peaceful Tibetan aspirations for independence
. No doubt there will be some human rights abuses whenever riot police and
troops are brought out in force |
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n*********n 发帖数: 1534 | 39 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: wildThing (东风起兮轰他娘, 安得巨浪兮吞扶桑), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 关于 cultural genocide,如何反击?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 18 16:22:40 2008), 转信
If there is culture genocide, why would China let Tibetans learn their
Languges in specially created Tibetan schools?
Why would China send money to build Temples to house the Monks and feed them
with public fund so that they don't have to work?
Why would TV program see so many monks participating riots at all? Would
they even be any monks le |
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w****a 发帖数: 9 | 40 【 以下文字转载自 ChinaNews 讨论区 】
发信人: wolala (成奎花), 信区: ChinaNews
标 题: 为西藏问题做的power point
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Apr 21 07:45:30 2008)
内容包括:
What does China really mean?
Was Tibet part of China before 1951?
Was Tibet the Shangri-La before 1951?
What happened during 1951-1959
Why Chinese don’t trust Dalai
Why Tibetan in China believe in Dalai?
Does Dalai really belive in religious freedom, peace, and human right?
Dalai and his friends.
Tibet data
Relationship between Tibentan Chinese and no-Tibetan Chines |
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n*********n 发帖数: 1534 | 42 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: aggressive (微尘), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: NED经费去向表
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jul 7 10:50:17 2009, 美东)
China (Tibet)
Gu-Chu-Sum Movement of Tibet
$60,000
To provide support to Tibetan political prisoners and educate Tibetans in
exile about human rights conditions in China. Gu-Chu-Sum will run a school
for former political prisoners, support serving and former political
prisoners in Tibet, sponsor a lecture tour and human rights workshops,
maintain a human rights desk, and p |
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M*V 发帖数: 3205 | 43 BEIJING -- Three Tibetans have died after setting themselves on fire to prot
est Chinese rule in a western region where authorities have imposed a heavy
security presence, exiled Buddhist monks and reports said Thursday.
More than 100 Tibetans have self-immolated since 2011 to protest Chinese pol
icies in the region and call for the return of their beloved spiritual leade
r, the Dalai Lama, from exile.
Two of the three latest protesters were monks at a monastery in Ruo'ergai co
unty of Aba prefe... 阅读全帖 |
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 44 VOA Chinese, Apr 27, 2011.
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news/20110427
-Lobsang-Sangay-elected-prime-minister-of-the-tibetan-government-in-exile-
120786959.html
("获哈佛大学法学博士")
Note: Lobsang Sangay LL.M. '96 S.J.D. '04 named prime minister of the
Tibetan government in exile. Harvard Law School, Apr 27, 2011.
http://www.law.harvard.edu/news/2011/04/27
_lobsang-sangay-certified-as-new-kalon-tripa.html
So he earned SJD (same as Mr Ma Ying-jeou), not JD. |
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l*******0 发帖数: 132 | 46 希拉里支持给达赖喇嘛发勋章,太可恶了。
Democratic Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton released a statement today
calling for an end to the violence.
...."I co-sponsored the Fourteenth Dalai Lama Congressional Gold Medal Act
and
co-sponsored the Tibetan Policy Act of 2001, supporting a dialogue between
the People's Republic of China and the Dalai Lama. I have personally met
with the Dalai Lama. I asked President Jiang Zemin to explain China's
repression of the Tibetans and their religion during his 1997 state vi |
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s*********a 发帖数: 374 | 47 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: viccan (viccan), 信区: Military
标 题: nytimes终于羞羞答答承认去年西藏暴乱不是军队屠杀藏人
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Jan 20 13:38:37 2009)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/world/asia/20tibet.html?ref=asia
he Chinese government is wary of the coming anniversary of the Dalai Lama’s
flight, and there has been talk throughout the Tibetan regions of western
China that the Chinese military presence will be in full force there through
March. The largest uprising of Tibetans in recent years took place l |
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c******c 发帖数: 418 | 48 "Formally" Tibetan and Chinese share the same nationality, but this doesn't
mean we share the same culture. They believe dalai lama is their God and
control their afterlife, do you believe this too? For people with this kind
of belief, do you really think they will believe dalai lama is "trying to
split the country"?
To be honest, I don't really care what the Chinese gov. did in Tibet. The
government can force their own agenda to Tibetans, but just don't pretend
you are saving them "from slavery |
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O*******d 发帖数: 20343 | 49 Not every Tibetan loves Dalai Lama. Tibetan, like Han, is well polarized. |
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m***o 发帖数: 995 | 50 维基解密上千线人身份被公布
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经编辑,众多秘密消息源的姓名全部遭曝光。此举不仅令美国和澳大利亚的官方大为担
忧,而且也让一贯支持维基解密的《纽约时报》等五家大媒体联手对该网站发起抵制。
涉及亚洲敏感国家
2010年年底,维基解密网站曾向《纽约时报》以及其他一些媒体提供了251287份美
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近日,维基解密网站提出要原封不动地公开所有电报内容,被合作媒体拒绝,于是
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