n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: nile (nile), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 清华投毒案——诊断骗局之鱼目混珠
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 27 11:09:53 2016, 美东)
朱令案最具传奇色彩的一页就是互联网远程诊断。这个过程是贝志诚主导并且全程操作
的。也正是因为通过远程诊断促成朱令的生命得以延续，贝志城为他自己戴上了网络救
命第一人的光环。
贝志城4月10日发出求救信。到4月28日整整两周。收到的反馈邮件有称3000份，有称
1500份。有称通过关键词滤过严肃的回复有280到300份。根据The First Large-Scale
International Telemedicine Trial to China: ZHU Ling's Case，世界各地有84名医
生在上述时间窗口内作出了铊中毒的正确诊断。按280到300份回复的基数统计，作出铊
中毒诊断在所有回复邮件中占30%。
关于远程诊断，互联网上传出很多质疑的声音。邮件的总数究竟是3000份还是1500份。
所谓关键词滤过在当时的技术条件... 阅读全帖 |
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l*********m
发帖数: 16971 | 2 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: RX2 (meiyou), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 给薛李公司同事，人事部，或其他相关人员的邮件
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed May 1 01:06:41 2013, 美东)
版权没有，随便转发
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Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing this letter to ask for your help. An innocent girl, Ling Zhu,
is suffering in China and her life may terminate at any time. Millions of
Chinese are seeking truth and justice by bringing the suspect /suspects to
the court for trial. Please take some time to read the following story and
make y... 阅读全帖 |
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l********u
发帖数: 910 | 3 很搞笑
一会儿说求救信是贝写的、一会儿说他不知道用thallium作关键词
大哥，他能写那个信的话、还看不懂回信吗?
Thallium这个词我怀疑他刚开始确实不懂。（大部分人都不知为何物啦）但这词后面都
有个poisoning的词。联系上下文就知道是指中毒了。而且若干封信都有这玩意，两下
就应该引起注意，拿本牛津字典来查查thallium到底是啥了。
况且他们发信的时候，已经有循中毒思考过，也有不少回信问及heavy metal
poisoning, 虽未必个个直指thallium，但poisoning是首要考虑。
这时候看到频繁有人说一个生僻的东西，肯定很容易引起注意。
问题是小贝咋知道要用 Thallium 来当关键字？另外，你这个命令得不出建议是铊中毒
的 email 的数量。两个原因：一封 email 里有可能 Thallium 出现在多行........ |
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R*2
发帖数: 225 | 4 版权没有，随便转发
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Dear Sir or Madam,
I am writing this letter to ask for your help. An innocent girl, Ling Zhu,
is suffering in China and her life may terminate at any time. Millions of
Chinese are seeking truth and justice by bringing the suspect /suspects to
the court for trial. Please take some time to read the following story and
make your own judgments.
About 18 years ago, Ling Zhu, then a college junior, a scholar, a swimmer
and a guqin soloist suffered unknown linge... 阅读全帖 |
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t******n
发帖数: 2939 | 5 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
lovesunny123 (lovesunny123) 于 (Wed May 1 00:18:52 2013, 美东) 提到:
竟然上了孙鉈水军名单了，可见这个名单不是很准确了。不排除里面有带任务了，反正
我不是。
zl遭投毒疑案凶手只有公安知道。他们不公布，大家叫破嗓子也没用。还是团结起来给
公安施压更有效。
很多网上的言论都是转了好几手的。来源不明。大家看到的都得打个折扣。
至于94年中国是否能分别鉈中毒和老鼠药中毒我不知道。但是美国不行。也许美国医疗
比较差吧当时，或者老鼠药案例不多。
参见下面这个真实案例。http://www.tcma.org.tw/127
1991年在美國賓州的赫希城附近發生了一件駭人聽聞的可能謀殺案。1個32歲的白
人Robert Curley一年來覺得身體不適，一天早上突然有劇烈的胸部痛，而被送到急診
室。除了胸痛他漸覺手麻、腳麻。當時他被認為是急性心肌梗塞，但所有檢查沒有顯示
是心臟病，隨即發生神智不清、吞嚥困難、胡言亂語、類似精神錯亂，而住入加護病房
治療。在... 阅读全帖 |
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t******n
发帖数: 2939 | 6 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
mitbbs250 (mitbbs250) 于 (Fri May 3 12:49:07 2013, 美东) 提到:
对不住大家了,我英文很烂,但是Dr. Robert A. Fink能看懂,并且回信了.洗地党和三八
说是追求者下毒,看看你引用的那个网页的原作者是怎么说的,这个Dr参与了朱令的诊断
与治疗.
征求了人家的同意,信可以make public,大家自己看吧.
Subject: Thallium poisoning
> I am one of millions of Chinese netizen who care about the cruel
> 'Thallium poisoning' murder attempt happened to Zhu Ling 19 years ago.
> I would like to know if you are the author of the following post named
> 'THALLIUM POISONING - CHI... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 7 朱令案最具传奇色彩的一页就是互联网远程诊断。这个过程是贝志诚主导并且全程操作
的。也正是因为通过远程诊断促成朱令的生命得以延续，贝志城为他自己戴上了网络救
命第一人的光环。
贝志城4月10日发出求救信。到4月28日整整两周。收到的反馈邮件有称3000份，有称
1500份。有称通过关键词滤过严肃的回复有280到300份。根据The First Large-Scale
International Telemedicine Trial to China: ZHU Ling's Case，世界各地有84名医
生在上述时间窗口内作出了铊中毒的正确诊断。按280到300份回复的基数统计，作出铊
中毒诊断在所有回复邮件中占30%。
关于远程诊断，互联网上传出很多质疑的声音。邮件的总数究竟是3000份还是1500份。
所谓关键词滤过在当时的技术条件下是如何操作的。30%的正确诊断率是如何计算的。
回顾一下当时事件发生的具体过程，这些质疑都不是问题的关键。
根据东方时空《朱令的十二年》电视文献片，贝志诚的求助信息发出不到十分钟就收到
的第一封邮件，两个星期内收到3000封邮件。他发动同学把邮件全部译成中... 阅读全帖 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 8 You don't know about the PKU case?
My understanding is that the murderer developed special
attachment to the victim (a special kind of strong love
to his roommate:)), and grow angry when the other party
did not reciprocate.
Did he get his thallium salt from TH? apparently not.
So how could one say there is only one source of thallium
in Beijing that could have poisoned Zhu? Thallium salt has
a long shelf life, the bottle in PKU was there too when
Zhu was poisoned.
Excuse my bad memory, my impre... 阅读全帖 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 9 You don't know about the PKU case?
My understanding is that the murderer developed special
attachment to the victim (a special kind of strong love
to his roommate:)), and grow angry when the other party
did not reciprocate.
Did he get his thallium salt from TH? apparently not.
So how could one say there is only one source of thallium
in Beijing that could have poisoned Zhu? Thallium salt has
a long shelf life, the bottle in PKU was there too when
Zhu was poisoned.
Excuse my bad memory, my impre... 阅读全帖 |
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d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 10 你丫整一文盲，biological half life是指人体内代谢的速度，这Thallium的代谢速度
怎么测的？用Thallium-201做tracer,这是nuclear medicine里很常见的测试。
我为什么要提这个？因为Thallium的updake有无数现成的文献，你找到update的数据就
可以建立体内的decay模型，这decay不是你说的同位素decay,由此找出摄入数量，摄入
时间。
比如计算的摄入数量是100g,但清华的Thallium只丢了20g,那显然不是清华丢的
Thallium了。
你的明白？ |
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i*****s
发帖数: 4596 | 11 Woman who poisoned, killed husband denied parole
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Joann Curley won't be released from prison in time to mark the 20th
anniversary this September of one of th... 阅读全帖 |
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w****y
发帖数: 2501 | 12 我认识个搞text mining的人，找他分析一下，看看thallium是不是足够显著
--更新--
我的目的不是去查找Thallium这个词，而是看Thallium相比别的信息关键字是不是显著
？提到Thallium的邮件语气如何？是猜测还是肯定？如果这1500封邮件里有另一种解释，
或者几种，被更多的人提到，而且口气又比较确定的话，那么小贝能在短时间内认定是
Thallium中毒，而且一直坚持下去，就需要别的解释了。 |
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l********u
发帖数: 910 | 13 肯定不是一上来就统一词频
应该是大致看了，发现thallium poisoning提的挺频繁，但又不知thallium为何物。后
来弄清楚了是某化学物了，就想这么多信看也看不完，不如写两行script统计下。
他这说的30%有很多情况，有些reply的也可能算入。不得而知了。但84封，是直接有诊
断为thallium中毒的。
了解过那些一手资料，就知贝无可疑之处啦。那些人纯故意混淆视听的了。
问题是小贝咋知道要用 Thallium 来当关键字？另外，你这个命令得不出建议是铊中毒
的 email 的数量。两个原因：一封 email 里有可能 Thallium 出现在多行........ |
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a****2
发帖数: 3735 | 14 【向美国国土安全部DHS举报孙维用假身份申请移民】-----
举报地址：http://www.ice.gov/exec/forms/hsi-tips/tips.asp
步骤：
1. 在II.Violator Information里面选other, 在下面框中写“Disguise Identity/
Identity fraud”
在The This complaint involves a下面选择中间的：individual
2. 在The information about the individual下面写：First name：Shiyan；Last
name：Sun
4. Have you previously submitted this information to any law enforcement or
government agency?
选NO
5. 简述孙维的违法行为：Please provide a summary of the criminal activity：
Shiyan sun AKA Wei sun, jasmine sun h... 阅读全帖 |
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w*****3
发帖数: 910 | 15 我的解读
******* link1 ******
http://www.popyard.com/cgi-mod/post.cgi?forum=8&num=16046&r=0
******引文1**********
@@ Dec. 1995, U.S. Medicine published an article regarding the work of Dr.
Steve Cunnion, a U.S. Navy physician who participated in ZHU Ling's Internet
diagnosis.
The article mentioned "ZHU Ling, it seems, was the victim of a murder
attempt, linked at this point to a jilted suitor. According to the home page
chronology, her parents in mid may reported the case as a "possible
deliberate mur... 阅读全帖 |
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m*******0
发帖数: 348 | 16 对不住大家了,我英文很烂,但是Dr. Robert A. Fink能看懂,并且回信了.洗地党和三八
说是追求者下毒,看看你引用的那个网页的原作者是怎么说的,这个Dr参与了朱令的诊断
与治疗.
征求了人家的同意,信可以make public,大家自己看吧.
Subject: Thallium poisoning
> I am one of millions of Chinese netizen who care about the cruel
> 'Thallium poisoning' murder attempt happened to Zhu Ling 19 years ago.
> I would like to know if you are the author of the following post named
> 'THALLIUM POISONING - CHINA (ZHU LING CASE) (4)' which can be accessed
> from http://www.promedmail.org/direct.php?id=19960120.01... 阅读全帖 |
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k****s
发帖数: 7334 | 17 先说一下,下面是我转来的哈
还有,就是,了解我的人,都知道我是标题党
对不住大家了,我英文很烂,但是Dr. Robert A. Fink能看懂,并且回信了.洗地党和三八
说是追求者下毒,看看你引用的那个网页的原作者是怎么说的,这个Dr参与了朱令的诊断
与治疗.
征求了人家的同意,信可以make public,大家自己看吧.
Subject: Thallium poisoning
> I am one of millions of Chinese netizen who care about the cruel
> 'Thallium poisoning' murder attempt happened to Zhu Ling 19 years ago.
> I would like to know if you are the author of the following post named
> 'THALLIUM POISONING - CHINA (ZHU LING CASE) (4)' which can be accessed
> from http://www.prome... 阅读全帖 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 18 I am just a bystander on my way to buy soy sauce:)
I simply could not jump to the same conclusion as you guys.
Every textbook says thallium poison is the result of
either attempted murder or suicide, but here people
jump directly to murder. What if both sisters suffer
adolescent depression and committed suicide?
College kids have the highest suicide rate.
There have been many thallium poisoning cases in
China AFTER Zhu Ling's case. Supposely the regulation
for thallium has been much tighter. Did... 阅读全帖 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 19 Hehe. On the contrary, I know exactly the mechanism of Thallium poisoning.
It mimics K+ and got absorbed through the K+ uptake pathway, but inhibits
cys-proteins due to its high affinity for sulfur.
Young man, you must have just heard about this story. I heard about it
right after the incident. There have been many discussions on line
again and again. At first, I was as angry as you about this evil woman Sun
Wei.
However, as more information was out, I, and many others at the time, took
a second... 阅读全帖 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 20 I am just a bystander on my way to buy soy sauce:)
I simply could not jump to the same conclusion as you guys.
Every textbook says thallium poison is the result of
either attempted murder or suicide, but here people
jump directly to murder. What if both sisters suffer
adolescent depression and committed suicide?
College kids have the highest suicide rate.
There have been many thallium poisoning cases in
China AFTER Zhu Ling's case. Supposely the regulation
for thallium has been much tighter. Did... 阅读全帖 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 21 Hehe. On the contrary, I know exactly the mechanism of Thallium poisoning.
It mimics K+ and got absorbed through the K+ uptake pathway, but inhibits
cys-proteins due to its high affinity for sulfur.
Young man, you must have just heard about this story. I heard about it
right after the incident. There have been many discussions on line
again and again. At first, I was as angry as you about this evil woman Sun
Wei.
However, as more information was out, I, and many others at the time, took
a second... 阅读全帖 |
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T**********e
发帖数: 29576 | 22
你这简直太多概念混乱.
decay指不稳定同位素衰变为稳定同位素.
TI的毒性是化学性细胞毒性,和同位素如何衰变没关系.
任何毒物都会有个体内代谢速度,但是会在头发指甲沉集,这部分不会随时间改变因而成
为法医检定的重要依据.
Part of the reason for thallium's high toxicity is that, when present in
aqueous solution as the univalent thallium(I) ion (Tl+), it exhibits some
similarities with essential alkali metal cations, particularly potassium (
due to similar atomic radii). It can thus enter the body via potassium
uptake pathways.[3] Other aspects of thallium's chemistry differ strongly
from that of the al... 阅读全帖 |
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c***d
发帖数: 756 | 23 狗了你读得懂么？Fe4III[FeII(CN)6]3是不溶于水的普鲁士蓝，
KFe3III[FeII(CN)6]3, K2Fe2III[FeII(CN)6]3是可溶于水的普鲁士蓝。
All of these names refer to the blue colored complex of ferric-
hexacyanoferrate(II) (Fig. 1.) with the empirical formula of Fe4III[FeII(CN)
6]3 (Monona, 1994). There are a number of related hexacyanoferrate compounds
, inaccurately called PB, such as potassium hexacyanoferrate KFe3III[FeII(CN
)6]3, K2Fe2III[FeII(CN)6]3 and ammonium hexacyanoferrate NH4Fe3III[FeII(CN)6
]3 (Beck, 1987). The potassium form o... 阅读全帖 |
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 24
Can you prove the Thallium in Zhulin's body was the same Thallium in Sun's
lab?
Are there evidence that suggest Sun did take some Thallium?
Are there evidence that suggest Sun knew about the poisoning before everyone
else did?
If there are such evidence, then it establishes a solid link between Sun and
the Thallium poison. This talk about "video tape" is just a pathetic
attempt to confuse what hard evidence means. |
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O****L
发帖数: 3353 | 25 有关“铊杀”案最新发展
http://seagullreference.blogspot.com/2011/02/insider-faulted-ho
Tuesday, February 15, 2011
Insider Faulted Hospital on Thallium Death
A person with information posted online about details of Wang Xiaoye's death
. The Princeton Medical Hospital failed to take the patient's allegation of
poisoning seriously, and subsequent delay in diagnose and obtaining
treatment caused the patient's life.
1) Wang talked to the Hospital regarding possible poisoning by chemist wife
in the middle of a b... 阅读全帖 |
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O**n
发帖数: 649 | 26 Monroe woman charged with husband’s murder
MONROE — A township woman was charged Tuesday with the murder of her
husband, who died after being poisoned, Middlesex County Prosecutor Bruce J.
Kaplan and Monroe Township Police Chief John J. Kraivec said.
Tianle Li, 40, was charged in the Jan. 26 death of Xiaoye Wang, a 39-year-
old computer software engineer who lived with his wife at 26 Stanley Drive
in the township. Li was charged following an investigation by Sgt. Jason
Grosser of the Monroe Town... 阅读全帖 |
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O****L
发帖数: 3353 | 27 有关“铊杀”案最新发展
http://seagullreference.blogspot.com/2011/02/insider-faulted-ho
Tuesday, February 15, 2011
Insider Faulted Hospital on Thallium Death
A person with information posted online about details of Wang Xiaoye's death
. The Princeton Medical Hospital failed to take the patient's allegation of
poisoning seriously, and subsequent delay in diagnose and obtaining
treatment caused the patient's life.
1) Wang talked to the Hospital regarding possible poisoning by chemist wife
in the middle of a b... 阅读全帖 |
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r*******t
发帖数: 8550 | 28 MONROE — A township woman was charged Tuesday with the murder of her
husband, who died after being poisoned, Middlesex County Prosecutor Bruce J.
Kaplan and Monroe Township Police Chief John J. Kraivec said.
Tianle Li, 40, was charged in the Jan. 26 death of Xiaoye Wang, a 39-year-
old computer software engineer who lived with his wife at 26 Stanley Drive
in the township. Li was charged following an investigation by Sgt. Jason
Grosser of the Monroe Township Police Department and Investigator Jef... 阅读全帖 |
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J********i
发帖数: 50662 | 29 http://ebs.gmnews.com/news/2011-02-10/Breaking_News
MONROE — A township woman was charged Tuesday with the murder of her husban
d, who died after being poisoned, Middlesex County Prosecutor Bruce J. Kapla
n and Monroe Township Police Chief John J. Kraivec said.
Tianle Li, 40, was charged in the Jan. 26 death of Xiaoye Wang, a 39-year-ol
d computer software engineer who lived with his wife at 26 Stanley Drive in
the township. Li was charged following an investigation by Sgt. Jason Grosse
r of the... 阅读全帖 |
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 30 Other notable cases
.............
In 1995 Zhu Ling was the victim of an unsolved thallium poisoning in
Beijing, China. In 1994, Zhu Ling was a sophomore in Class Wuhua2 (Physical
Chemistry) at Tsinghua University in Beijing. She began to show strange and
debilitating symptoms at the end of 1994, when she reported experiencing
acute stomach pain, along with extensive hair loss. Ultimately she was
diagnosed on Usenet with poisoning by thallium. To this day, speculation on
poisoner's identit... 阅读全帖 |
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w********r
发帖数: 14958 | 31 In 1995 Zhu Ling was the victim of an unsolved thallium poisoning in Beijing
, China. In 1994, Zhu Ling was a sophomore in Class Wuhua2 (Physical
Chemistry) at Tsinghua University in Beijing. She began to show strange and
debilitating symptoms at the end of 1994, when she reported experiencing
acute stomach pain, along with extensive hair loss. Ultimately she was
diagnosed on Usenet with poisoning by thallium. To this day, speculation on
poisoner's identity is still discussed by many Chinese exp... 阅读全帖 |
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n****c
发帖数: 78 | 32 好吧，铊溶液。
这里是一片用醋酸铊做体外神经－肌肉萎缩实验的文章。作者报道1mM到5uM的醋酸铊溶
液在体外处理大鼠神经－隔肌40分钟，即可导致细胞不可逆性功能丧失，
醋酸铊分子量263.43g/mole, 1mM到5uM相当于300mg/L到1.3mg/L。4磅暖水瓶容量1.8L
(google到的），那么2.4mg到540mg的量都可能导致症状出现。如果不是加在暖水瓶而
是喝水杯子的话，所需质量应该更少。
醋酸铊溶于水。鉴于下面所引文章可以用到1mM的工作浓度，按照一般实验室的经验，
储液浓度应该在100到1000倍，即100mM到1000mM，相当于30g/L到300g/L。这样，从
1000mM溶液取8uL到1.8mL，就能使暖瓶中醋酸铊的量达到2.4mg到540mg；从100mM液取
80uL到18mL，可以达到同样效果。
所以，使用铊盐溶液，同样可以达成目的。
Arch Toxicol. 1984 Mar;55(1):55-8.
The action of thallium acetate on neuromuscular transmission in the rat
p... 阅读全帖 |
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m*s
发帖数: 6855 | 34 "这里是一片用醋酸铊做体外神经－肌肉萎缩实验的文章。作者报道1mM到5uM的醋酸铊溶
－－－引用的试验是直接作用隔肌，把表层细胞浸泡在铊溶液了。而且又不知道隔肌的
厚薄，样品如何处理的。这样的实验室试验和人体铊中毒的实际情形差别也许比较大？
这儿是网上的东西，也不知道对不对。
http://baike.baidu.com/view/1725.htm
...所以，如果从体外对投与201Tl的患者进行放射线测量，能够映出保持了钠、钾、
ATP酶活性的心肌细胞的图像。这样201Tl作为诊查心肌梗死患者心肌细胞活性的放射性
医药品之一，已经被广泛用于临床。
另外，因为201Tl能够被癌吸收，也用于做癌的图像诊断。
而且，以为临床的铊的投药为痕迹量（低于100μg/g)，所以不产生毒性作用。[1] （
日）桜井 弘．元素新发现：科学出版社，2006年
这儿100ug/g 实际是100ug/Kg （刊误）
致命剂量按照临床量的1000倍算的话：100ug/kg X 1000=100mg/kg； 体重50kg, 致命
量是100mg/kg=5g/50kg。 如果按照10000倍算的话,是50g/5... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7918 | 35 http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113116/zhu-ling-attempted-mu
The 20-Year-Old Crime That's Blowing Up on Chinese Social Media
BY EMILY PARKER
On May 4, the popular Chinese actress Yao Chen posted the following message
to her 45 million followers on the microblogging site Sina Weibo: “Nineteen
years ago, the young Zhu Ling was poisoned. Nineteen years later, this name
has again been poisoned.”
Yao Chen is referring to a nearly two-decades old attempted murder mystery.
The case has again become ... 阅读全帖 |
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n*******r
发帖数: 258 | 36 Fang ChewShit is misleading people with fake scientific facts.
1. Tl2SO4 is soluble in water.
2. TlCl is colorless
3. TlCl will not precepitate out if you are mixing low concentration of
Tl2SO4 solution with a low concentration of NaCl. For contact lense brine
solution, it is perfectly compatible with low concentration of Tl2SO4.
Some source:
Thallium Chloride crystals are grown by sealed-ampoule Stockbarger technique.
Thallium salts are toxic, and Thallium Chloride has enough solubility to
requ... 阅读全帖 |
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n**e
发帖数: 2026 | 37 根据央视《朱令十二年》电视记录片，朱令最终在4月28日通过铊检测作出铊中毒的诊
断。这个过程完全是贝志城鼎力推动而完成的。而贝志城之所以先后通过两次分别通过
朱令的父亲和母亲寻求铊中毒检测，根据的是国外专家回复的电子邮件诊断为铊中毒。
贝：十号发了那是个周一，周三我就给朱令他爸爸打电话说，我看到提问里还有说是铊
中毒。
贝志城：很多医生很激烈地发表意见，说一定要作这个化验，因为她的症状太像铊中
毒了。
朱令父亲：贝志城给我打了个电话，说有人觉得是不是就是铊中毒。
朱令母亲：他（贝志城）说，阿姨你是怎么了，这么多人都说是铊中毒，你为什么就
不去化验。
尼罗河与多位直接参与朱令远程诊断的美国医师通过电邮电话和传真讨论过当时诊断铊
中毒的情况。他们中有人还保存有当时的电邮文件。在贝志城和他的同伴们得到这些邮
件的同时，这些邮件也传给了在美国热心帮助朱令的医生们，而且这些医生们相互之间
也通过电子邮件交换看法。根据他们的回忆，当时提出了很多很多可能的诊断，而且相
当大的一部分是愚蠢的想法。提供诊断意见的邮件如潮水一般涌来，我们几乎被这些冗
长的邮件淹没，根本不要指望看到“铊中毒”从各种其他鉴别... 阅读全帖 |
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t******n
发帖数: 2939 | 38 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
haole99 (haole) 于 (Wed May 1 23:11:06 2013, 美东) 提到:
老鼠药在中国投毒的例子很多了。google老鼠药中毒，除了朱令，中国未见其它说吃老
鼠药导致铊中毒。更未见用普鲁士蓝治疗老鼠药中毒。google老鼠药，除了朱令，未见
中文网站有说铊鼠药广泛应用的文章。
这些证据表明铊鼠药是有，但绝对不是主流。是比较罕见的。
说朱令老鼠药导致铊中毒的，可以歇一歇了。
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haole99 (haole) 于 (Wed May 1 23:16:55 2013, 美东) 提到:
中国有谁见过老鼠药中毒用普鲁士蓝解毒的？有几例吃老鼠药导致铊中毒的案例？
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b0 (b0) 于 (Wed May 1 23:18:42 2013, 美东) 提到:
硫酸铊确实曾经广泛用作老鼠药。你说为什么以前没有铊中... 阅读全帖 |
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t******n
发帖数: 2939 | 39 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
gondar (赏金猎人) 于 (Fri May 3 13:43:25 2013, 美东) 提到:
受不了一帮洗地党还在这分析来分析去的，分析出来一万种可能加起来的概率也超不过
百分之一。
你们直接说是外星人干的多好啊，你看朱令无疑中发现了外星人在搞什么阴谋，于是外
星人就下毒整死了朱令，因为是外星人，所以没有留下任何线索，所以最后就成了无头
悬案。洗地党们来看看，这个分析是不是比你们的分析更靠谱
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Dear Xun,
I am indeed one of the doctors who assisted in the diagnosis and treatment
of Zhu Ling. I also visited Beijing in October, 1998 and spent time with
Zhu Ling and her family.
The source of the thallium was,... 阅读全帖 |
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t******n
发帖数: 2939 | 40 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
bxtgui (bxtgui) 于 (Thu Jun 6 08:49:50 2013, 美东) 提到:
请看方舟子博士是怎样给“朱令案唯一嫌疑人”孙维当辩护人的？
(2013-06-06 00:10:35)
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请看方舟子博士是怎样给“朱令案唯一嫌疑人”孙维当辩护人的？
姚有为
我首先做四个声明：1、我是应朱令的一个大学同班同学的恳切请求写此文的。我们的
国度是一个神奇的国度，没有最神奇，只有更神奇，所以每时每刻网民的眼球都会同时
被N个热点事件吸引，朱令事件就是当前热点的事件之一。在网上输入“朱令事件”检
索，能找到很多帖子，其中百度百科的“朱令事件”中介绍的比较详细。我写此文主要
是为了满足朱玲同学的请求，也算是对朱令及其家人的一个声援。朱令案惨绝人寰，但
真相至今石沉大海，没有真相的社会任何人都没有安全感，声援朱令也是声援自己。最
接近真... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 451 | 41 这两个新闻不知道为什么被删掉了。可能怕引起恐慌。
Search results for: monroe man death by thallium | Straightly News
australian flood facts (1),pictures of scheneker family (1),monroe man death
by thallium (1),monroe man death thallium (2),Xiaoye Wang (1),hosni mubarak
...
Toxic substance eyed in man's death in Monroe Twp. - News12
Jan 28, 2011... toxic metal called Thallium, which is suspected in the man's
death. ... Hazmat team investigates Monroe Township home after man's death
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m**d
发帖数: 21441 | 42 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: blood001 (血池子), 信区: Military
标 题: “朱令铊中毒事件”大事年谱 非常清楚 （转载） (转载)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 12 20:53:12 2013, 美东)
发信人: blood001 (血池子), 信区: NewJersey
标 题: “朱令铊中毒事件”大事年谱 非常清楚 （转载）
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 12 20:52:35 2013, 美东)
朱令铊中毒事件”大事年谱
（1973年11月－－2006年4月）
1973年11月24日 朱令（随母姓）出生在北京, 户口本上全名朱令令，因为习惯问题，
一般都称她为朱令。家里有一姐姐吴今（随父姓）。父亲吴承之是上海人，今年66岁，
1959年考入中国科技大学地球物理系，退休前曾任国家地震局高级工程师；母亲朱明新
是吴承之的同班同学，今年65岁，退休前是中国远洋运输总公司高级工程师。
注：网上的一种说法是，朱令家同样具有“高干背景”。对此，朱明新提到一个表弟跟
她开玩笑说，“大舅舅是 高干的尾... 阅读全帖 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 43 For me, there is no solid evidence against anyone.
The basic fact is that 朱令离奇“铊”中, and it is not
clear which 铊 salt was used, and who did it.
Based on statistics from previous cases all over the world,
it is more likely a homocide (70%). However,
considering Zhu's sister died of unnatural causes at
similar age, suicide is a formal possibility (30%).
People of close contact to Zhu are suspects. These
include her roommates, boyfriend, social contacts
(i.e. players in the orchestra), even parents.... 阅读全帖 |
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n*******r
发帖数: 444 | 44 Did he get his thallium salt from TH? apparently not.
So how could one say there is only one source of thallium
in Beijing that could have poisoned Zhu? Thallium salt has
a long shelf life, the bottle in PKU was there too when
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 45 For me, there is no solid evidence against anyone.
The basic fact is that 朱令离奇“铊”中, and it is not
clear which 铊 salt was used, and who did it.
Based on statistics from previous cases all over the world,
it is more likely a homocide (70%). However,
considering Zhu's sister died of unnatural causes at
similar age, suicide is a formal possibility (30%).
People of close contact to Zhu are suspects. These
include her roommates, boyfriend, social contacts
(i.e. players in the orchestra), even parents.... 阅读全帖 |
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n*******r
发帖数: 444 | 46 Did he get his thallium salt from TH? apparently not.
So how could one say there is only one source of thallium
in Beijing that could have poisoned Zhu? Thallium salt has
a long shelf life, the bottle in PKU was there too when
Zhu was poisoned.
------您还真是大瞎一个呀。拜托您仔细读一下前面同学回帖好不好：
“你是想说是THU以外的人下的毒？ 朱令案应该是第一起有轰动效应的，在这之前一般人
都不会知道铊盐无色无味，管理不严。所以下毒的应该也是学化学的；能够两次投毒，
并且朱令的宿舍无故失窃，丢的又是洗漱用品等不值钱的东西，
身边的人有很大嫌疑，而孙又是这些人里能直接接触到Tl的，她被列为犯罪嫌疑人是很
自然的。令人愤怒的至今没有一份公开的调查审讯报告for whatever fucking reason.”
I did not force ... 阅读全帖 |
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b******1
发帖数: 1116 | 47 【 以下文字转载自 NewJersey 讨论区 】
发信人: blood001 (血池子), 信区: NewJersey
标 题: “朱令铊中毒事件”大事年谱 非常清楚 （转载）
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Apr 12 20:52:35 2013, 美东)
朱令铊中毒事件”大事年谱
（1973年11月－－2006年4月）
1973年11月24日 朱令（随母姓）出生在北京, 户口本上全名朱令令，因为习惯问题，
一般都称她为朱令。家里有一姐姐吴今（随父姓）。父亲吴承之是上海人，今年66岁，
1959年考入中国科技大学地球物理系，退休前曾任国家地震局高级工程师；母亲朱明新
是吴承之的同班同学，今年65岁，退休前是中国远洋运输总公司高级工程师。
注：网上的一种说法是，朱令家同样具有“高干背景”。对此，朱明新提到一个表弟跟
她开玩笑说，“大舅舅是 高干的尾巴”：“我父亲朱启明曾经参加过一二九运动，‘
文革’前在北京市委工作，‘文革’后平反，在北京市高级人民法院当顾问，没多久就
离休，2001 年去世。母亲退休前是北京一所中学的校长。”
注：据朱家亲友回忆：“姐姐吴今以前的名字是叫... 阅读全帖 |
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b***o
发帖数: 1862 | 48 96年1月份之前就知道谁是嫌疑人了
Published Date: 1996-01-20 23:50:00
Subject: PROMED: Thallium poisoning - China (Zhu Ling case)
A recent article appeared in "U. S. Medicine" regarding the
work of Dr. Steve Cunnion, a U. S. Navy physician, which states
that a report has been made to the Bureau of Public Security in
China, alleging that Zhu Ling's thallium poisoning was the result
of an attempted murder. It was further alleged that the
perpetrator was a jilted suitor and that the source of the thallium
was *not... 阅读全帖 |
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c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 49 你这个逻辑站不住脚啊。美国的Robert Curley铊中毒案，投毒发生在1991年，但是美
国早在1972年就禁止用铊做鼠药了。如果你是检察官，估计就把真凶Joann Curley放走
了。
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Joann Curley poisoned her husband with thallium, a toxic metallic element
used in the manufacture of electronic components and specialized glass.
Until 1972, thallium could be found in rat poisons. The Curleys had only
been married about two months before it started finding its way into the
thermoses of tea Robert took to work.
In August 1991, Robert Curley began to feel ill. By Sep... 阅读全帖 |
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d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 50 网传的2次投毒来自毛发，指甲的测量，但血液，尿液的数据又不支持2次投毒。
Thallium是nuclear medicine里应用非常广泛的biomarker, 有无数文献，Thallium的
biological half life大概是10天，实际多少甚至可以用thallium-202测试，我看陈的
文章的血液分析基本符合biological half life的数据。
毛发，指甲的uptake比较复杂，比如指甲每2个月才张1mm, 这几天内怎么测量？突然跳
高估计是测量误差。 |
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