p******e
发帖数: 327 | 1 I was at cutoff with 86 called. 5-6 way limp pot
flop 567r. EP bet about $15, one caller, plus me.
turn 9, i made str8. EP bet about $30. the other guy fold. I thought about
reraise, but decided to trap him instead, so called.
river 8, shit! EP bet $80.
i tanked and called...
he didn't have just one 10, he had pocket 10s.
I've seen a few people calling a big bet on river when there was a str8 on
board and all lost, including me.
Conclusion: in low stakes when there's str8 on board and you're fac... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 2 I will fold. looks like MP has higher str8. |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 3 MP is new guy without much info. I fold here. not a big deal to me to fold
flopped nuts str8. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 UTG tables his 45s and gives MP this angry look, "tell me, do you have 89?
tell me, otherwise i'll chase you down all night, no matter where you go!@(#
$*(#@@_##".
everyone is laughing and UTG asks again for MP's remaining stack, shakes his
head for 2 minutes and folds in big disgust. LP (rock) reminds/comforts him
saying it looks like the best result for him is like a chop.
MP is me with indeed 89s, i wonder if i could play any better in this spot
and get a better % he (or anyone in general) wo... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 5 Looks like UTG is not a bad player.
Why raise here? there is 4 cards str8 on board, raise here is too strong. I
will call:
1. show some weakness
2. have LP in
3. have all chips in the middle so people have trouble to fold the river bet.
4. size, as you did, no matter what you do, the raise sizing just does not
look right. |
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p******e
发帖数: 327 | 6 the board has str8 (i.e. 78910j), no flush.
what do you do when you're OOP
and what to do when you act after if he
1. check
2. bet small
3. bet big or over bet |
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 7 if your cards have show down value, try to make it happen. if not, most of
times give up unless you have confident read on him/her and bluff him by
representing the high str8 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 靠，别提了，几个大点的pot全栽了，read全对，结果全错，让同一个reg但是明显在
tilt胡打的给sucked out。
AJs limped UTG, he directly shoved low 50BB or so (he did this a few times
already), another short guy called and was all-in too. i never limp called
with AJs in the spot before but was so natural this time. YES, he got TJo
and the other guy 89o. he sucked me with a T, and the other guy hit river
gutshot str8.
TT 4 bet shoved pre against him, he snap called with 66 (80BB), i rivered
str8 and he hit 4 card flush with 6h, damn. the oth... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 ed miller's small stake poker would help.
but to be honest, no book can really teach you any secret to beat even
amatuer players. it's a game of expr. and analytical skills.
for example, on a 2 flush flop, how likely is your opponent chasing/betting/
calling for a flush draw, or something else? what's his betting size/pattern
in this case? then a "blank" turn card comes, but he suddenly bets big?
what does he mean here? what's his remaining stack size/pot size? could you
be totally wrong and mis... 阅读全帖 |
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 10 如果是这个逻辑，
儿子就应该让gay couple抚养，变成娘娘腔的几率比str8 couple要小。
女儿就应该让les couple抚养，变成男人婆的几率比str8 couple要小。
这个逻辑最大的毛病就在于：家长性别决定小孩性别特征。
如果这是真的，那么str8 couple教育出来的小孩岂不都是不男不女？
人人都知道这个逻辑是可笑的，所以家长的性别对小孩性格并不重要。
至于所谓的性格健全，更加滑稽了。
绝大多数的gay都来自于str8家庭，都从父母那里学到了男女双修的健全性格，
为什么gay就不能把自己学来的健全性格都传授给孩子？
莫非小孩学的时候是健全的，长大结婚以后就把异性那一半的优秀品质全都忘了？哈哈。
事实是：每个人的性格中都拥有男性化和女性化的特征。
同性伴侣的家庭未必就缺少异性的性格榜样。
另外，小孩的模仿学习对象，父母的影响是很有限的。
亲属，朋友，老师，同学，媒体，社会，占了很大一部分。
尤其是上学以后，父母的影响缩小到了很少的部分。
孩子的role model完全可以来自于家庭以外，
同性伴侣的孩子的社会环境又没有什么不同。 |
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b****e
发帖数: 19 | 11 本人学遗传工程的，从科学角度上科普一下同性恋的形成原因。
同性恋不是后天形成的，比如性怪癖，赶时髦等，是不可能把
str8变成gay的。反之，gay也不可能变成str8。
一个人是否是gay/les，一生下来已经由基因决定了。
简单的说，
1) 如果母亲怀孕时，雌性激素分泌正常，那无论怀的男胎女胎，
孩子生下来一般是正常的str8。
2) 如果母亲怀孕时，雌性激素分泌过多，而怀的又是个男孩，
那这个男孩出生后gay的可能性很大。他虽然具有男性性征，
但雌性激素过多，导致了性取向偏女性。
3) 如果母亲怀孕时，雌性激素分泌不足，而怀的又是个女孩，
那这个女孩出生后lesbian的可能性很大。她具有女性性征，
但雌性激素不足，导致了性取向偏男性。
4) 如果母亲怀孕时，雌性激素分泌不足，而怀的又是个男孩，
那这个男孩出生后就是一个男人中的男人。男性特征非常明显。
5) 如果母亲怀孕时，雌性激素分泌过多，而怀的又是个女孩，
那这个女孩出生后就是一个女人中的女人。女性特征非常明显。
药物，身体状况，心情，压力等等，都会导致母亲怀孕时的
雌性激素分... 阅读全帖 |
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 no way str8 on flop, if a flopped str8, he would definitely 5 bet because of
worrying of set will redraw to boat and very possible flush draw, and his
call on flop 4 bet is very strong, i would say str8 flush most likely
of course, we assume villian is good, if he is a donk like me, then anything
could happen, maybe 23o? |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 泛泛而谈不好说。
1)odds还是最基本的，flop上2 cards coming，和turn上只剩一半，情况大不相同。
str8 draw, flush draw, combo draw也不能一概而言，比如str8 draw on a flush
draw board就比较难受，hit了也未必能赢。另一方面，flush draw往往比str8 draw要
显眼，面上3张一色的，很多人都会比较谨慎，所以你hit了可能也不会赢多少；
2)位置很重要很重要很重要，out of position很难受，如果被人看穿，也是1的情况，
不hit花了很多冤枉钱，hit了赢小钱。这种情况下主动bet或者有控制的check raise，
表面上看似多花了一点，总的说来可能还是节省了(比起被动call的话)，而且hit了有
可能让对手pay off。
没有位置最大的问题在于，preflop一般你不会太强，比如拿着TJs，89o这样的牌，你
往往可能是limp，而如果别人raise，你call，flop出来，你有draws，你check call，
容易让别人看穿。
3)range，小draw和大draw... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 14 I'm not saying fold str8 flush draw, but I don't get excited about it. The
best outs are straight, then flush cards.
If I am holding a baby (mid) str8 flush draw, and turn completes flush, I
get even less excited. 33% you take down the small/middle pot right here, 10
% you run into a bigger flush, and 10% someone hangs around and has a good
chance to outdraw you..
If raising war happens on flop, usually the str8 flush draw guy is an
underdog, or coin flip at the best, although it looks like a mo... 阅读全帖 |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 15 Never broke in a limp pot.
Such a fish play, limp UTG, check behind on flop and MIN 3 bet on turn. he
is telling hero " I have a set, I give you a free card to hit your set or 2
pair. please bet on river and I can get more values." He is not ever
thinking that hero will not shove on river unless hero has str8(whether nuts
str8 or not is not important, just shove if make the str8). Even Hero has
set, hero can only call at the most time.
to |
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t****t
发帖数: 95 | 16 Yes, I think it could be a fold given her loose image and the board
texture.
I had exactly similar hand a couple days ago. That hand went like this:
1/2 game 4 to open, I was BB with $100, had 55
MP limped, button raised to 15, I called, MP called
Flop: AT5 rainbow
I checked, MP checked, button bet 30, I flat call, MP called with a
speech "
I'd just call".
Turn: 4, two hearts on the board now
I thought immediately, I could be against str8 already, especially with
the speech MP made. However, i... 阅读全帖 |
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y********k
发帖数: 677 | 17 no...unless you are very butch looking. str8 girls are called str8 for a
reason: b/c they are only into guys. so unless one can pass for a guy i
advise not to pursue str8 girls. |
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y********k
发帖数: 677 | 18 no...unless you are very butch looking. str8 girls are called str8 for a
reason: b/c they are only into guys. so unless one can pass for a guy i
advise not to pursue str8 girls. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 19 Set over set is one of most disater hand,you simly can not fold,
even str8 over str8, or flush orver flush wont let you loose that much
is there any possibility to survive this hand? i guess not
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 20 He(the str8 drawing guy) is making a pot size bet on the turn, representing he has a big
hand, sth like ace high flush draw, and hitting the ace, or 2 pair. He is not calling
with str8 draw.
I think gboro is pretty pretty sick to call that with q 10. He has too many
chips. easily get one card to win.
like
better, especially when you have AXs flash draw, you still have chance to
beat top pair with over pair. |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 21 那个check-raise到6M很serious的，他应该认为对方至少有张Ad，也许外加一对，
我觉得他最多只能call，看river是不是会再来一张方块。不过他这么一allin,
如果对方是J high 而不是Q high（外加str8 flush draw），可能会force
对方fold，咔咔。。（那个str8 flush draw其实挺害人的，基本上没用，但一般
人都不愿意fold这样的draw，特别是open end的话）。
and
full
your
s |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 flush and str8 on river, and you called with a lower str8??? bubble time, he
had next to zero chance bluffing out of position.
his turn check was very suspicious, after 2 big calls...
Table |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 paired board, paired on turn or river? previous action?
yeah, you may have given too much credit for micro stake players.
in general, nut str8 on paired board (no flush) or nut flush, 2x back i
guess. other non-nut str8 or flush, call.
since
>
when |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 24 damn, thought i read wrong and deleted my last reply.
not likely he got a set or 2 pair or str8:
1) set, his flop pot bet is too big, unless he's sure you got a monster PP;
2) 2 pair, his pre-flop limp call is too loose;
3) 78s for str8, like 2.
a small/medium lead out or check raise would worry me more.
his range should include a lot of AxXd hands (X < Q). combo draw with Ad7d?
worst case.
you get close to 2:3 ($23 for $38), i guess it's ok to call.
i'd not flat here, the pot is hard to control |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 sigh, very tough...
when UTG donk shoves, my finger is ready to click "call", he's a fish for
sure. but when button donk re-shoves too to isolate me...
i do put UTG on a good pair, he's too nervous to see this wet flop, typical
inconsistency leak without a plan (preflop and flop).
i do put BTN on flush draw too (too heavy for str8 draw), she (a regular)
wants to push me out so badly. TPTK likely but not for this suicide size if
i do have a big hand too. set? no chance. flopped str8, same as set, |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 26 agree with this one, lol.
KQs is like in the top 15% range of hands, they're much more powerful than
56s because:
1) pair strength, they flop much stronger pairs like TPSK;
2) nuts or 2nd nuts strength, when they draw to flush or str8, much safer
than small SCs;
3) fold equity, it's ok to raise with them with confidence, while 56s is
more like a semi-bluff.
TJs is a unique SC, they make 4 diff. nut str8.
KQs need to be played with caution though, like running into AA/KK/AK/AQ,
like any other han |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 27 turn is easy fold.
Even he is correct, he can not be that ahead on the turn, must be one pair,
plus flush and str8 draw. A ton of outers, plus usually the drawing guy has
advantage, since he knows where he stands.
Usually against a made hand, 2 pair, set, or str8 already.
Should be an easy fold on the turn.
kind |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 turn is easy fold.
Even he is correct, he can not be that ahead on the turn, must be one pair,
plus flush and str8 draw. A ton of outers, plus usually the drawing guy has
advantage, since he knows where he stands.
Usually against a made hand, 2 pair, set, or str8 already.
Should be an easy fold on the turn.
kind |
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g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 29 Raise to ~ 17 and fold to shove. It's pretty thin, but still a full house(I
know I am donk/fish, could not resist the extra thin value...LOL)
Regs will not call you donk shove with str8 for sure, can only get value
from fish. 66? may be, but 66 should be removed from the range because of
the turn actions.
KT/JT looks so possible.
so, given your stack, you shove on river:
1. for Regs, 100% -EV.
2. for fish, still -EV as str8 is the only hand you get more value and we
assume fish will call.
Will y... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 dude, i know it may sound silly, but there're 3 str8 flushes on the flop, i'
d be a little cautious here with 88 boat, which is only 5th nut here.
his mini-raise and call on the flop is very suspicious, leading out smallish
$37 on turn is definitely for value.
but the pot is too big already for your remaining stack, nobody can check/
bet fold a top boat here, with a few beatable hands in his possible calling
range.
but i have a feeling he indeed got a str8 flush, and goes pays off. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 31 呵呵，小苍蝇肉，200块钱而已。
开始运气也很好，或者说对手太错得厉害。
AKs不squeeze，然后donk shoves HUGE on 55x，俺A5.
AJo 3x pre, 然后donk shoves on QJx，俺AQ.
Ad8d 2x，然后small bets on Qd6dx, turn shoves HUGE on 6，俺A6o at BB。
一堆这样的牌，加上大量利用image，steal成功不以huge chip leader进final table
都难。
然后就萎缩了，ATs re-shove AKo，这家伙一直喋牒不休，要“证明”它是最好的
player(这种5块钱的垃圾比赛里面有么？)。
QQ loses to AA。
最后一把你也看见了, 2 nut str8 vs. nut str8，没什么话说，呵呵。 |
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h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 32 这两手的“主要区别”大概是谁主动bet，呵呵。第一手我觉得他是set或str8，AA/KK
可能不敢slow play，anyway I can't beat much and I fold.
第二手我主要是怕big pair，他最后那么凶，我几乎snap call，因为他只能有str8才
会这样bet。
希望没玩错。
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The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
UTG: $25.31
UTG+1: $11.40
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Hero (MP1): $31.20
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SB: $8.58
BB: $116.96
Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP1 with Js Jd
2 folds, UTG+2 calls $0.25, Hero ra... 阅读全帖 |
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S*********e
发帖数: 865 | 33 惨，抓了个大坑出来，flop set 被river set beat。
flop str8 被 river bigger str8 beat。
都是deep stack。 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 34 hand 1, i guess you could check raise on flop, you have a belly buster BUT
any 9/T/K or paired on later streets will kill the action. i.e., most of
time you'll either miss totally, hit but no more value (4 card str8 board),
or got sucked out with non-nut str8, like this one, he could have KT. T is
not your out, A is very weak out since you'll be little causious out of
position for building a bigger pot.
in general, it's not a hand you should expect to win a big pot when you hit,
because board wi... 阅读全帖 |
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y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 35 haha, if live cash game, how much money can they have?
wow.
just sick river!
flop AAA vs str8 draw, standard
turn AAA vs str8, AAA is behind standard
river AAAA vs royal flush, can not say anything
flush! |
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h******n
发帖数: 233 | 36 in real play, I pushed. Villian had KQ. Neither turn or river helped him.
My real question is about str8. When flopped QJ8, hands like T9 will flop a
str8. How much should I worry about that? Especially there was a lot of
action/trap play at flop. |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 37 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 这把也挺搞 1/2NL，loose table.
EP bets $7, a few calls, i got Ac7c in LP, call too.
flop: Jc9c8s
all check to old lady, who bets $15, i call.
suddenly BB check raises to $45, UTG (a rich lady) calls too, old lady folds
.
i know nothing about BB, but rich lady is weak, her $45 call is strong.
i got $150 left and they both cover me, i guess there's nothing else i can
do, i shove.
both instantly call, each has about $200 left.
turn: Tc
both check, huh??
river: 8c
哥心都凉了，操，不会是它吧？
还好，两人居然又check check了，哥很低调的说，i do... 阅读全帖 |
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 38 the plays are better than mine, lol.
i ran pretty lame before my trip to china, yeah, i hit a lot and won quite
some, but on such an up swing, i should have fared better.
1) QJs flopped broadway and raise, guy calls with AJo, and donk shoves $300
on Q turn (Q river too, damn), i tell him he only gets lucky for a chop;
2) KcQc < JJ on 2 clubs flop;
3) AJ on AJJT8 river, old korean LAG dares not to raise me with his lucky TT
on turn;
4) KTs combo < AJo;
5) one card away from mini BBJ, small pot, i... 阅读全帖 |
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D********2
发帖数: 2153 | 39 为啥很难fold,1 card str8就是垃圾,还不是nut str8,还是paired board,也就个bluff
catcher
? |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 40 这里SB是什么牌不重要。AK has nuts flush or str8 draw, 只要成牌，几乎就稳赢啊
。最怕的反而是SB也是flush draw. If TP, two Pair, set, str8, AK has more outs.
As played, the donk bit is more pot control: drawing hand or semi bluffing.
As played, he was on draw. He would be happy take the pot here, if got
called, that's fine, flush draw was not bad, worst case, facing
raise, he is committed and odds is not that bad to put all in.
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y**b
发帖数: 59 | 41 个人认为在four card str8的牌面上是不是应该value bet two pair or set取决于很
多因素，比如位置，玩家人数，对手类型等。
一般我会在有位置，有read，而且是heads up 的时候value bet。但是如果碰上了非常
aggressive的对手，比如像durr那种风格的，多半就check down了。
另一方面，four card str8 和 four card flush 也是很好的bluff机会，在cash game
里尝试过一些，屡试不爽，但是我bluff基本都是在单挑而且有一定的read情况下，不
然很容易就撞枪口了。 |
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x*******0
发帖数: 94 | 42 not instant call but will call for sure
no way to fold your str8 since opp cannot put you on such a garbage hand and
finally hit it and also u had position.
why he can reshove and u could fold? since u checked on the turn seems u
have nothing or very weak hand. river u mini raise could be value bet for
your two pairs ( he may put u have that ) and str8 is the nuts so he took
the chance to fire on u.
almost works. it shows u have very big leak on this game when they make big
bet and if you do not... 阅读全帖 |
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d*******e
发帖数: 4 | 43 湾区男gay, 29. str8 looking and acting. 我自己生活简单，周围gay友不多，自己
也一直抗拒typical gay的生活方式。想认识les朋友，交流一下。真的是做朋友，
hangout那种。不期望维持直人那种关系，也不希望被人冠以好哥们或者好姐妹这种头
衔。简简单单，待人以诚。如果你是20+, str8 looking, 愿意结交朋友, 请站内联系
。thx. |
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c*****y
发帖数: 4016 | 44 我反对meeker/happened/beat，一个大叔控，能给鹊版带来什么生机。
str8已经申请版三了，他帮助征婚的ID顶帖子，非常有意义。我支持str8当版三。 |
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c*******o
发帖数: 27734 | 45 你上访的事情最后怎么解决的？
我反对meeker/happened/beat，一个大叔控，能给鹊版带来什么生机。
str8已经申请版三了，他帮助征婚的ID顶帖子，非常有意义。我支持str8当版三。 |
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