b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 1 老龙同学对自己有点信心好不好？Fantasy spingold 我都差点选你们了呐。。。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 3 Spingold决赛进入了加时赛，8副牌决定胜负。你拿到如下一手悲催的牌：
93
982
J9874
652
无对有，你（坐东）首家PASS，整个叫牌过程：
E S W N
P 1H 1S 2C
P 2S P 3NT
P 4C P 4H
P 6C AP
现在由你首攻。你攻什么？
已经知道答案的朋友请稍安勿躁，留点时间先给其他网友解答。这里对错不是关键，一
副牌不说明什么问题，主要是思路。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 4 嗯。前面一副牌实际情况如下：
南家持牌：A7 / AQT73 / A65 / K43
北家持牌：QT54 / J4 / K2 / AQJ97
同伴持有SK和HK，首攻黑桃才能击宕定约。实战中东家首攻D7，遭到很多非议。我是认
为，人家既然能进Spingold决赛，肯定不会不知道首攻同伴花色的道理，他必然有自己
的想法。只要同伴和队友能够体谅，旁人怎么看的根本不重要。
第二副牌，同伴的牌是：AQJ8 / QT / AJ84 / A43
北家：KT4 / A87432 / QT7 / 8
南家：963 / KJ5 / 53 / KJT76
首攻将牌是正常的，也是实战的选择。庄家首轮手里吃住之后，立刻打一张梅花到C10
，建立CK垫去一张黑桃，做成3H加倍定约。这个牌属于典型的“手术成功，病人死亡”
的例子。理论上3H加倍是正确的，4D至少宕二（有局）。但是首攻一错就摸走了。
最后，我在BBO刚打完一副牌，也是首攻选择决定了定约成败。就用这副牌来收尾吧。
双有，你坐东持有：JT974 / JT76 / T / QJ3
轮到你发牌，你当然PASS，叫牌过程：
E S W N
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C*****9
发帖数: 147 | 5 孙子曰：故兵无常势，水无常形。能因敌变化而取胜者，谓之神。
桥牌教科书写着: 通常不要加倍对方主动叫的正常定约。在Spingold半决赛中加倍
一个正常定约更不可能是因为对手水平差，如果同伴做了这样一个加倍，你就需要
因敌变化，想清楚Why。
上周的Spingold半决赛中，
1)
E S W N
2N P 3N X
(all pass)
2)
E S W N
2N P 3C P
3S P 3N X
(all pass)
你坐南，拿
S T7
H JT652
D 876
C 873
在1)和2)二个叫牌过程，如何首攻? |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 6 男队Spingold打进前16强，后来在Roth Open Swiss获得第四。另外有一支北美的华人
队伍也进了Spingold前16。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 7 再挑个小刺：
“我们很奇怪的是，如果Fisher-Schwartz被确定有罪，那么摩纳哥将是最大的获益者
，2014年欧锦赛、2014年和2015年连续两届Spingold都将是摩纳哥顶替冠军。”
作者大概对这边的赛制了解不够。如果冠军被剥夺资格，并无“顶替”一说，当年冠军
空缺就是。这个规则是合理的，否则所有被F/S淘汰的队都有理由要分一杯羹。
今年的Spingold可能要成为一个笑话。冠亚军决赛居然在两个作弊的队之间进行，最终
可能冠亚军都被剥夺资格。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 8 再挑个小刺：
“我们很奇怪的是，如果Fisher-Schwartz被确定有罪，那么摩纳哥将是最大的获益者
，2014年欧锦赛、2014年和2015年连续两届Spingold都将是摩纳哥顶替冠军。”
作者大概对这边的赛制了解不够。如果冠军被剥夺资格，并无“顶替”一说，当年冠军
空缺就是。这个规则是合理的，否则所有被F/S淘汰的队都有理由要分一杯羹。
今年的Spingold可能要成为一个笑话。冠亚军决赛居然在两个作弊的队之间进行，最终
可能冠亚军都被剥夺资格。 |
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p******3
发帖数: 119 | 9 楼上对桥牌了解甚少,
2006年至今，古力夺得2次LG杯，1次春兰杯，1次富士通杯，1次丰田杯，1次BC卡杯，
李世石1次丰田杯，1次LG杯，2次三星杯，1次BC卡杯，2次亚洲杯，孔杰目前手握三星
杯、LG杯、富士通杯、亚洲杯（2连霸）,五年来三人的冠军奖金分别是：古力约132万
美元，李世石约126万美元，孔杰约63.2万美元。李世石的奖金交税后全收入个人腰包
，古力和孔杰的奖金只有小部分归于个人，大部分“敬献”给了体育总局和中国棋院，
个人平均每年有多少你自己算好了.
桥牌中,仅举二例,叶氏杯,单冠军奖金就有11万USD,卡文迪许邀请赛,Fisher/Schwarz获
得了20500欧元的冠军奖金，只占奖池的27%，这样的小比赛一年多如牛毛,更不要说范
德比，Spingold，Reisinger，GNT等四大冠军赛了,职业牌手只要有Client出钱请你，
你就是Pro了,能成为Pro,就意味着一周七天，一年52周,可以天天打比赛。你说说顶级
牌手一年会有多少收入? |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 10 猛然想起, 我的牌友和朋友喬治-多肯斯(George Dawkins)夫婦離世
已經一年多了.
這一年多來, 我幾乎沒有打過什麼比賽. 偶而坐到牌桌上, 也常常覺
得意興蕭然.
我99年搬到 Austin 工作, 因為工作繁忙, 一點儿也找不出時間打牌
. 99年的北美夏
季大賽就在100哩外的SAN Antonio, 但我也沒時間去. 后來有幾個朋
友去打, 我周
末開車去擠著總算打了一天的 Spingold, 稍稍過了癮.
那一年的秋季大賽在 Boston, 我從前在 Boston 呆過, 認識不少朋
友, 這才跑去打了
七天, 那七天真是神仙般的日子, 我的朋友們住在 New Hampshire,
每天開車要一個
多小時到賽場. 我們因此每天總要到夜裡兩點多再回到他們家. 然後
我們把冰箱裡
的食物一邊一掃而空, 一邊討論打過的每一副牌. National 上總有
很多很有意思的
牌.有很多牌本來毫無意思, 但假如碰上的是赫赫有名的人比如葛羅
素也突然變得有意思
起來; 如果碰到一天大家都打的好, 聊起來就更有意思.
離題了... 這次 Fall National 的后果是, 我 |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 11 On the first day of spingold,
I hold SKx H9xx DAK9xx CAxx
I decided to open 1NT, since I had good controls
and a very decent diamond suit.
Everybody passed.
My LHO led a low spade,
dummy:
Sxxx HAKTx D8x C8xxx
I won by SK on the first trick.
Then I ducked a dia, my LHO won by DJ,
Now she began to cash her long spade suit, wow, she had
6 spades. I discarded two clubs and one heart from dummy,
two clubs, one dia, one heart from hand.
My RHO discarded 3 clubs. and on the last spade, he was squeezed! |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 12 In Spingold, against Bobby Wolff and Dan Morse's team. This is the 4 hands:
Both vul.
N (Ira Chorush)
S AQx
H Axx
D ATxx
C Txx
W (cozofu) E (wimptb)
S J8xxxx S K9
H Kx H JT9xx
D KQJ D xxx
C Qx C 9 |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 13 In the world championship in Montreal, the Rosenblum just finished round
robin. The Chinese national team finished 2nd in group K, after a Polish team.
Another Chinese team (Beijing QiaoXie?) finished last in the group.
In the round of 64 China will face a team from France in which I only
recognize Christian Mari. That French team finished 2nd in the powerful group
D, after USA's Schwarts (Zia's team), and ahead of Russia's Gromov, a team
that I backed up in this year's Spingold (but they disapp |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 14 This hand is from this year's Spingold final. I played this hand on GIB and I
got it wrong.
For whatever reason, you made the same overbid as Michael Moss and bid to 6N
with the following. The only difference, however, is that he made it almost
like double dummy.
North
S Q8
H 84
D J9763
C AKQ9
South
S AT742
H AKQT9
D A
C 82
West led the H3. You play low, and East played the J. Now you are 1 hurdle
over, what next? |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 15 I found this hand at bbo's deal of the week.
The actual lead in the final of spingold was D, the declarer was Allan Graves,
now C hook is the only play.
This Mikchael Moss is Fred Gittlemen's father. |
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f*****x
发帖数: 545 | 16 did you attend the Spingold last year? cool, admire to death【 在 wimptb (一失
足成千古wimp) 的大作中提到: 】
my
there
partners
pairs
team... |
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g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 17 Yesterday at BBO, I saw cozofu & cucu gave Irina and Mrs. Stansby a hard time.
Just my opinion: in this board, I feel wimpb, arrowhits and cozofu are among
top tiers. I am wondering: If you guys compete in events like Spingold, what
position will you get? (Assume you have a team of same level)
And, how far a distance is China from a Bermuda Bowl team? I remember in 90s
(95?), Bermuda Bowl was hosted in Beijing, China was top seed in preliminary,
looked very promising. But then was knocked out by |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 18 It all depends on what seed number we got in Spingold or Vanderbilt. I think
there's a good chance for us to take any seed after 16. But sometimes there
are some really good teams that are underseeded in 16-32. There are some
chances for seed 9-16, but I have a rather pessimistic view against the top 8
seeds. As you can see, I'm not quite modest :-)
Chinese open team has fallen behind significantly in the past few years. I'm
not sure why. After all China has adopted a team trial approach lately |
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g**********y
发帖数: 14569 | 19 Hmm, I think that explaination makes sense -- in general, I feel China is
still a semi-self-enclosed country, not just in bridge. There are more and
more communications to outside world, but far from enough.
If they can send good pairs to North American and compete in Spingold,
Vanderbilt, ... perhaps they will improve faster :)
I got your point of the story. Another interesting aspect is: balancing
yourself is also very important in competition. I remember a story about
Forquet, in his early ye |
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c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 20 On the second day of spingold, you were 56 imps behind a strong
team including famous bobby wolff and kit woosey with 16 more boards to
play. They missed a slam and went down in a couple of hands, so you
feel you may have some chances.
Now you found this holding in the 7th hand:
SA HKxxx DKTxx CT8xx
so you passed at the second seat,
and partner opened 1C at the fourth seat:
p p p 1C
1D x 1S 2C
p ?
since you are behind and you hold pretty good club support,
you really don't need much to make 3nt, |
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c****n
发帖数: 21367 | 21 say... spingold in NYC? |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 23 看到他们的名单了,好象找到了两对队友呢.:)
Good luck to them, and your team for Mini-Spingold I too. |
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a***n
发帖数: 287 | 24 至少这次summer NABC打Spingold的阵容是如此. |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 25 考虑到这个星期可能有些朋友去打全国赛，准备暂停一次，下周继续。
不过既然你提出来了，我就出一道竞猜题吧。猜中得奖。已经知道答案的朋友请不要回
答，那就不叫“猜”了。
故事就发生在两天前的 Spingold 赛场上。手持：
－－ ／ Ａｘｘ ／ ＡＱｘｘ ／ ＡＫＱｘｘｘ
６４副的ＩＭＰ淘汰赛，局况双有，两家ＰＡＳＳ之后，右手方第三家开叫３Ｓ：
１）你会叫什么？
２）你猜一下实战中用了哪个叫品？ |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 26 一开始我也是这么看，而且很震惊这居然发生在spingold赛场，都是会玩桥牌的。
但是再仔细想一想，这个叫品虽然无理，倒也不是完全自杀性的。你要做输赢，就是希
望找到一个非常规的定约，并能胜过“正常”的叫品。在成局水平一个常用的策略就是
有８－９张高花配合的边缘牌力，相对均型，去做３ＮＴ而不是４Ｍ。这里的想法类似
，只是更加富于想象力。６Ｄ只需要同伴有ＤＫ及至少四张方块，６Ｃ其实对同伴要求
更高。当然，这个输赢能够做出来，还是需要不错的ＲＰ，说难听点就是狗屎运。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 27 叫牌竞猜的总体反应看似还不错。全国赛尘埃落定（有没有人看了 spingold 最后两副
？简直比电影还要 dramatic...），本周继续。仍然是周五中午开奖，祝您好运。
1） ＭＰ，双有： ＫＱ５ ／ ６３ ／ Ｔ８７２ ／ ＡＱ９７
Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
１Ｃ １Ｈ ２Ｈ ３Ｈ
Ｐ Ｐ ？
２Ｈ＝limit raise or better
2） ＭＰ，双无： Ｔ５２ ／ ＫＴ ／ ＡＱＪ９７ ／ ＡＪ３
Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
１Ｓ Ｐ ２Ｄ ３Ｈ
４Ｈ Ｐ ？
3） ＭＰ，双有： ＡＱＴ５４ ／ ７ ／ Ａ８７４３ ／ Ａ２
Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
１Ｄ １Ｓ ２Ｈ ２Ｓ
３Ｄ ？
4） ＭＰ，双有： Ａ５ ／ Ｔ７４３ ／ ＱＴ６４３ ／ Ａ４
Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ
１Ｃ Ｐ １Ｄ Ｐ
２Ｃ Ｐ ？
5） ＩＭＰ，双无： ＡＫ３ ／ ６２ ／ ＫＪ９３ ／ Ｊ９４２
Ｅ Ｓ Ｗ Ｎ
２Ｄ Ｐ Ｐ ２Ｓ
Ｐ ？
２Ｄ＝weak 2 in diamonds |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 28 有对无，你坐北拿着：ＡＫＱＴ６ ／ Ｔ８６ ／ ４ ／ ＡＪ９６
叫牌过程：
Ｗ Ｎ Ｅ Ｓ
１Ｃ １Ｓ Ｘ ３Ｓ
Ｘ ４Ｓ ４ＮＴ Ｐ
５Ｃ Ｘ ５Ｄ Ｐ
５Ｈ ＡＰ
简单解释一下叫牌。西家１Ｃ自然叫，东家负加倍，南家３Ｓ为阻击性，西家的加倍显示额外实力，竞争性，理论上黑桃张数不多。东家的４ＮＴ暗示双套，从后面的叫牌来看是方块／红心套。
你首攻ＳＫ，明手东家摊牌：
Ｊ
Ｑ９７３
ＱＪ９８６
８５４
同伴第一墩出Ｓ２，庄家跟Ｓ７。按照你们的风格，这时候的牌张有花色选择的味道。你如何继续防守？ |
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g****o
发帖数: 1284 | 29 庄家像是2-4-3-4牌型。同伴即使H或D上有大牌也会被飞死，所以只能寄希望他有一张C
大牌。
但如果我们自己主动进攻C，庄家是KXXX的话就把定约送成了。
我觉得还是应该保守攻牌，庄家D能吃通的话也只能垫两张C，最后还是得自己动梅花。
显示额外实力，竞争性，理论上黑桃张数不多。东家的４ＮＴ暗示双套，从后面的叫牌
来看是方块／红心套。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 30 有没有什么情况，你必须第二墩要打ＣＡ才能成功？ |
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v*******e
发帖数: 3714 | 31 首先，同伴顶多抓了两点，所以多半是五张黑心。
1) 如果同伴只有四张黑心，庄家几乎必宕。
2) 如果同伴有五张黑心，并且庄家抓了所有剩下大牌点
xx / AKxx / AKx / KQTx
这牌5H必成。
3) 如果庄家是
xx / AKxx / Ax / KQTxx
同伴为什么不首功草花？
4）如果庄家是
xx / AKxx / Axx / KQTx
我没看出做庄成功路线。。
总而言之，回黑心缩减明手进张，大概是我无聊之下的选择。。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 32 因为同伴不想 lead out of turn. |
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j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 33 如果庄家是：xx AKxx AK KQxxx
这种可能貌似很小。。。 |
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v*******e
发帖数: 3714 | 34 那早知道就不double 5C了:)
问题在于，如果同伴不是单张草花，拔A几乎一定要吃亏，送成那种。。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 35 即便庄家是 xx AKxx AK KQxxx，消极防守还是可以打宕，因为你还有ＣＪ，right? |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 36 你不加倍５Ｃ对方一样会叫到５Ｈ。我认为东家在叫４ＮＴ的时候已经准备５Ｃ后叫５
Ｄ了，显示Ｄ＋Ｈ。
从叫牌来看，同伴梅花单张的可能性还是有的，庄家２４２５的强牌，也多半３Ｓ后加
倍（以区分靠牌型为主的４Ｈ叫品）。但即便同伴梅花单张，拔ＣＡ就一定赚么？ |
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v*******e
发帖数: 3714 | 37 我以为double 5C是指示首功。hehe 对这种高水平的比赛我不熟，也许专家想法就是不
一样吧。:) |
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j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 38 right, 我错把D数成5墩了。
那么，找不出非得拔CA才能打宕的情况了，在这个叫牌序列下。 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 39 个人意见：这个加倍有示攻的含义，因为在加倍的时候还不肯定是谁做庄，所以 just
in case 同伴首攻的话，希望攻出梅花。另外也告诉同伴梅花能守住，如果同伴有一定
的防守实力，也可以继续加倍对方的最终定约。 |
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g****o
发帖数: 1284 | 40 呵呵，费了一点劲去找到了牌例。原来这里还有个ethical的问题... |
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a****s
发帖数: 524 | 41 You got to play CA and another club, it can only lose when pd have
empty(no K) doubleton club and maybe diamond King. but it that's the case,
no one can find an excuse for S2 on the first trick.
Partner may well have a shortness for his vulnerable jump...
more importantly, partner did NOT double 5D even
after you doubled 5C，indicating that you are in
grave danger of declarer running the red suits,
(5 trumps + 5 diamond + 1C),
so cash the CA now.
显示额外实力，竞争性，理论上黑桃张数不多。东家的４ＮＴ暗示双套，从后面的叫牌
来看是方块／红心 |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 42 呵呵，早知道这么费劲，直接问我不就行了？:-))
实战中，同伴南家第一墩的Ｓ２有明显迟疑，这样就有一个ＵＩ的问题。如果说Ｓ２是
花色选择的话，那么迟疑就暗示一种不确定。从ethical的角度出发，北家应该忽略同
伴的迟疑，假定同伴确实希望换攻梅花。实战第二墩北家拔ＣＡ，导致庄家做成。庄家
持牌：８７／ＡＫＪ５／ＡＫ３／ＫＴ７２
这副牌结束后，现场的专家评论员一片赞叹声，认为北家体现了highest ethical
value，非常具有sportsmanship．但我在想，北家ethical这当然没错，但信号只是一
种suggestion，并不是command．这副牌不论同伴梅花持牌的情况，都不需要拔ＣＡ，
只需要将牌出手坐等赢墩。用桥牌裁判的术语来说，虽然有ＵＩ，但是ＣＡ不是
logical alternative．说得再明白些，即使同伴恰好有ＣＫ或梅花单张，拔ＣＡ不损
失，用高水准来衡量，这仍然是个错误，因为消极防守更灵活，可以cover more
grounds.
另外，更不理解的是南家迟疑了这么久，到底在想些什么。梅花上持Ｑｘ，让同伴转攻
梅花是非常危险的，尤其你明确知道梅花失张 |
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j*******e
发帖数: 2168 | 43 原来南家迟疑了。。
这是决赛牌例？昨天我还在想，虽然没有非拔CA才能宕的情况，但同伴C很像单张，北
拔ＣＡ也不失为节省体力的一种方法。
看了决赛第三节前面几副。Fred (BBO创始人）跑上来就连着弄砸3副，比分一下子被追
平。第二副（board 34)一个低级错误，被Sontag弄出一个criss-cross squeeze... |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 44 就在决赛第三节。Fred基本上处于脑休状态，可能是体力问题。这副牌他坐南，出牌迟
疑且误导。当然，打了这么多天，犯错是难免的，他们的水平仍然远远高于我们中的任
何人。但是明明是错误，却变成学习的榜样，这就有点夸张了。 |
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w****b
发帖数: 623 | 45 There is no case that you need to cash CA and give pd a ruff to defeat the
contract. Since if that is the case, pd would be able to guard the D and
they cannot take 5 tricks in D. (pd should be 5-2 or 4-2 in majors, so a
stiff C would give pd a 5 or 6 card D). On the other hand you may give away
the contract if your RHO has something like xx AKJx AT KQTxx -- maybe pd is
trying to discourage from leading a D, knowing that you had stiff.
The only case that playing C is a winner is when pd has 4-2- |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 46 Low C wins the case where partner has Kx or Kxx in clubs, but it loses when
partner has stiff club (not the 10). CA actually caters for both cases (but
gives up an extra under-trick when partner holds CK, which is OK since this
is IMP). However, as analyzed before, CA is never going to really gain
regardless of partner's club holding, unless declarer holds 3433 shape, but
the bidding indicates that declarer doesn't have that shape.
Therefore, neither CA nor low C is logical alternative.
away
is |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 47 2-4-3-4 is certainly a possible shape. Also, the key in bridge defense is
not opp's possible misleading bidding, but partner's defensive signals.
There is just no point to assume that partner would make a wrong signal and
trust opp's bidding. This is a good lesson to all the bridge players that in
defense, one gotta be careful with his signals and trust partner's signals.
That's the only way to get out of the maze your opps set.
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 48 I don't get it. Why is CA necessary if declarer holds 2-4-3-4 shape?
Partner told me he has a club card. But that doesn't mean I have to shift to
club blindly.
is not opp's possible misleading bidding, but partner's defensive |
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p***r
发帖数: 20570 | 49 The point is that partner can fully utilize the suit preference here, with
club K or C void, he would always encourage C. With D honor, he should
encourage D by his highest spades. Without D honor or CK, he should give a
card in the middle.
Then from opening leader's point of view, if he has CAJ, partner gives a
middle card, he shouldn't play C because he can usually wait to get two
tricks in C. If he has CK and D honor, he can usually wait to get two tricks
because opener shows some willing to |
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b***y
发帖数: 2804 | 50 Why with stiff C, south cannot encourage club? Partner doesn't have to have
CA for the ruff to materialize. Partner may have HA for example.
I agree that with CQ only, it is wrong to encourage club switch. My guess is
that they had a screw-up in signal definition, one thinks this is suit
preference, the other things it is for spade continuation (meaning NOT to
shift to a club).
In any case I would rather make a defensive "mistake" that ensures beating
the contract in IMPs, than to play for down |
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