j****y
发帖数: 1714 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 GunsAndGears 讨论区 】
发信人: joyjoy (joy), 信区: GunsAndGears
标 题: 加州绿卡买shotgun被拒
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 16 23:01:09 2013, 美东)
big 5 店小二不看绿卡，要求出示任何州颁发的hunting license 或者 attorney
general 的什么letter.
添的表格有个tricky问题，问如果你非移民签证入的美国，是不是 fall in the
exceptions defined in instructions. 我大概读了 exception,基本是外交官，执法
人员之类。所以回答了no.
店小儿说选了 yes 需要hunting license. 选了 no 需要 attorney general letter.
怎么和这里说的不一样啊？白跑一趟。
换一家 店试试？还是我哪里搞错了？ |
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S******y
发帖数: 1123 | 2 Can you recommend a store?
I am thinking buying a shotgun too this month..
Thanks |
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UD
发帖数: 182 | 3 请问哪里有室外的range for shotgun？并且对非会员开放的?
多谢。 |
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S********g
发帖数: 27 | 5 刚买了一只shotgun,请问Pearland附近有便宜的练枪的地方吗？有教练更好。谢谢。 |
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K****o
发帖数: 2183 | 6 pearland不知道，不过American Shooting Center是可以打shotgun的 |
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G**********e
发帖数: 11693 | 8 家里 shotgun吧，你就咵咵两下那声音贼人听了就不敢行动了，中一枪身上就一大坑，
死定的 |
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k*******n
发帖数: 5546 | 9
先解决优先级高的问题。推荐shotgun, 左轮各一把。见akula帖子。 |
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a******e
发帖数: 36306 | 10 shotgun的这个神话好像在枪版被人嘲笑了很多遍了。。。。 |
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G***G
发帖数: 16778 | 11 suppose you can have one gun, which gun you should buy?
and how much does it cost for training with the gun: shotgun and handgun,
respectively?
Which one is cheaper in training fee, or bullet fee? |
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n****e
发帖数: 6292 | 12 如果你问的是为什么抠一次扳机智能打一发子弹
那是因为你能买到的绝大部分shotgun都不是全自动的 |
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p****s
发帖数: 3153 | 13 ...And he is jealous of pistol offense
Steve Young 'really jealous' of 49ers' pistol formation
By Gregg Rosenthal
San Francisco 49ers offensive coordinator Greg Roman told Around the League
on Thursday that the team doesn't run a "pistol offense." (They just use the
pistol formation.)
No matter what you call it, former 49ers quarterback Steve Young wishes he
played when the concept was around.
"I'm actually really jealous about the pistol. I think it's such a cool
thing," Young told Comcast ... 阅读全帖 |
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m*****y
发帖数: 2424 | 14 Bill Walsh never believed in shotgun formation. He thought having to watch
the ball being snapped and catch it impedes the qb's ability to read defense.
League
the |
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 15 Yes. The bad thing about shotgun is QB has to take the eyes off the defense
to watch the ball being snapped, and the defense could change at the split
of second. Some people don't like that.
defense. |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 17 will play a shotgun tournament.
anyone played before, and chip in what to prepare |
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s*****t
发帖数: 1661 | 19 this is a Russian gun.
Used to be called izh 27 or something.
There are two cheap o/u shotguns in the market, one is this, another is
Turkey gun, Stoeger, a litter expensive, but have more options. The fully
loaded competition model of Stoeger costs a couple of bucks more. Remington
SPR has no such option.
If you trust the factory which made Mosin and AK, just go for the Remington.
I have the single barrel version of IZH, it is cheap and reliable, no fancy
at all and never misfired, except the f |
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s****y
发帖数: 939 | 20 说说为啥想买这支枪，供各位新手，尤其是预算少的新手参考。
1.便宜
这是我这边市场上能看到的最便宜的新枪了。
2.符合我现在的需求
有些朋友买shotgun是想home defence（HD），或者打猎。我只想打打飞碟，没有啥需
要defence的。住个破appartment，来得都是朋友。因此，选个28寸枪管的。target
shooting的枪真正好的都得1千多块。等以后工作了还有兴趣玩得话，再买好的不迟。
那时估计就有home了，把这个枪管锯短了放家里做HD，可以再买个折叠的枪托。
3.升级方便。
这一款和mossberg 500的大部分部件通用，以后真想玩，还是有好多乐趣的，比如自己
买木头做的枪托换上，或者自己买木头做枪托。。。单独买枪管，这支枪比
remington870的同型管都便宜几十块。
其实这个玩shooting也就跟打网球一样。网球初学时总会被选拍子困扰，各种参数
啥的搞得像很神秘的样子了。但是刚来美国时，一个罗马尼亚弟兄拿着walmart的球拍
轻易踩我，尽管我装备着阿加西的镏金L4，而他连最基本的拍子参数和选拍方法都不知
道，甚至不知道手柄还分size |
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f*********n
发帖数: 11154 | 21 到你们当地打飞碟的地方看看，然后和枪手们聊聊，看看谁手上的枪更接近于你的目标
枪；很多不会介意让你用他们的枪打几发体验一下。这种场所大部分的人用12ga。体验
之后你再决定12ga对你来说是不是太猛。不过千万不要选那些做工精美，有一堆花里胡
哨东东的，那些事专门给飞碟设计的枪，你打了以后也体验不了后坐力。
另外子弹的长度和后坐力也有关系。2 3/4"的比3"的要小一些。
12ga和20ga都是很常见的镇宅shotgun口径；大部分人的选择都是根据个人喜好。 |
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l*********g
发帖数: 2 | 22 镇宅shotgun, 20 ga 三寸, 还可以减弱成2.75寸, cylinder choke, 10码散布20寸，
可行吗？我1米7，150磅。当年打过几发56，没太大感觉。 |
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i********1
发帖数: 653 | 23 You could get a semi-auto (such as Baikal MP153, Remington SPR 453, Benelli
SBE I or II) or pump (such as Benelli Nova) 12 Ga shotgun because they can
cycle any round from 2.75 up to 3.5. The recoil is OK for 2.75 (smaller
than type 56) but strong for 3.5 shells. |
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b*****e
发帖数: 819 | 25 你是说一般shotgun的枪托可以拆下来然后换上象handgun那样的把? |
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c**********d
发帖数: 2428 | 26 是的。我是在冬天穿得很厚还加了LIMBSAVER的情况下，打了十五发SLUG，差不多就快
把肩膀废了。不带护耳当然会震，不过真在防卫中用SHOTGUN，谁还顾得上耳朵呀。平
时在靶场觉得枪声震耳，真在打猎时开枪，不带耳罩也不觉得有什么震的，注意力不在
那上面。
对了，REMI的BUMP打SLUG的时候不光是震耳，还震得我贴腮那一边的牙痛。后来买了一
个枪托弹袋，好了不少。 |
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f**k
发帖数: 906 | 27 不知道你居然在这里有一个窝。
前一星期跟同事去打trap。好像很好玩。想买一个便宜的shotgun，可以经常去玩。还
能搞一下home defence啥的。
那个pump的好像很过瘾，卡卡，坏人就吓跑了。不过是不是以后就不好打skeet？还是
半自动的好呢？
还有，同事怂恿我去考个consealed weaper的证。我连手枪都没有，有必要上课吗？
还有啊，你都到哪里打range? |
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s****y
发帖数: 939 | 28 这些天经常搜索军剩的价格，不时看到3年前AK的价格让人惋惜，没有早玩枪。
这几年AK和SKS价格都翻翻儿了。但那款siga shotgun价钱只长了几十块钱。现在觉得
买它比买AK更划得来些。 |
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f********m
发帖数: 8397 | 29 想试试shotgun，看能不能handle,能的话就搞一只看家了。
还有，绿卡如何买枪呢？谢谢 |
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i********9
发帖数: 166 | 30 没得租。一般的射击场也不准练。
目前据知只有chabot枪会能用。
BIG5经常有shotgun onsale的，也不贵。
持绿卡的,给资料店里登记一下, 等十五天的无犯罪记录调查下来就能拥有了 |
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 31 看家的用bird shot比较少吧，小朋友打buck shot还是挺吃力的，不过LZ肯定没问题，
呵呵
shotgun |
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a**j
发帖数: 34 | 32 准备买一个PISTOL GRIP的SHOTGUN用于家防.不知道大家有用过这些的吗?
不知道打2(3/4)蛋会怎么样.
现在好象这些到处缺货.
1. Mossberg 500 Cruiser 12g 20" 8rnd CB PG
2. Mossberg JIC GREEN TUBE 18.5" CRUISER |
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f********4
发帖数: 955 | 33 shotgun 就是choke麻烦。打远打近还要不同的管。你们说买个improved cylinder
的通吃slug，turkey shot， buckshot 可行吗？还是非的买两个管换着打？ |
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s*****t
发帖数: 1661 | 35 20 is small.
there is 16.
almost not. I clean my single barrel shotgun once a year.
The shells are marked by numbers. If you want to shoot doves or clay targets
, use #7 or 6 or 5 or 8. For #7, there is about more than 200 small lead
balls in one shell. |
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c*****a
发帖数: 477 | 36 第一枝shotgun最好是12G,子弹容易买，品种多，相对便宜． |
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n******r
发帖数: 21 | 37 You can also buy additional rifled barrel at less than $150. that is, you
have two barrel, one is bare bore barrel used for birds hunting, rifled
barrel can be used for deer/big animal hunting with slug.
I am about 170 lb and 1.70M high. I have no issues with the 12gauge shotgun.
Mossburg 500 is also very good one. |
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n******r
发帖数: 21 | 38 410 is 0.410 inch caliber. this is the only caliber that uses "inch" not the
gauge.
Remington 870 express is the basic version of Remington 870. As your
dominating is left eye, you may try left-hand. But I don't think you will
have issues with a shotgun, which you don't have to aim in most cases. I
suggest you go to a retail shop and try different configuration to see if
you are comfortable.
It seems like you have a lot of things to learn. Try this link and it will
help you:
http://www.hunter- |
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n******r
发帖数: 21 | 39 According to what you asked here, your instructor didn't talk too much about
shotgun.
My advise to you is: do more homework, and practice, practice, practice. You
will enjoy what you learn. |
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k**********i
发帖数: 8706 | 40 我听到semi auto shotgun的第一反应就是
Franchi SPAS-12 |
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M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | 41 研究了一下前辈们的意见并且做了一些RESEARCH。
前辈们推荐的SHOTGUN都比较侧重TACTICAL，不知是否可以象REMINGTON 870一样一枪双
管就可以打遍天下。短管HOME DEFENSE，长管通过换CHOKE打猎和TRAP SHOOTING。
http://hunting.about.com/od/toppicks/tp/tp_autoshotguns.htm
最后，目光落在了REMINGTON 11-87 SPORTSMAN和REMINGTON SPR453上。前者似乎在江
湖上有一定的声望，后者MADE IN RUSSIAN，巨便宜。
个人喜好TACTICAL STYLE，但也要能兼顾HUNTING和TRAP SHOOTING。
再请前辈们把把关，准备下单了，谢了！ |
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 43 I've read from many places that for HD pump is more reliable than semi. Not sure if gurus here agree or not.
I am looking for a pump shotgun. Most likely will be a Mossberg. Your post got me give semi a second look. That 'canadian shoot baikal' youtube shows it's rugged. |
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N******p
发帖数: 2777 | 44 For HD, can you hold the shotgun at your side, or do you have to put it on y
our shoulder and aim? |
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i********1
发帖数: 653 | 45 我不知道这个video是不是“rigged”or“rugged”，但是我自己的经历是这个MP153/
SPR453是很reliable的，就好象苏联AK一样。Built Like A Tank。Awesome。还有这个
枪在美国是便宜，在加拿大和欧洲价格都在$700+。
这个video是Baikal MP153在意大利被意大利人做torture test。五天里打了50,000发
霰弹。自己看吧。我是做不起这个实验呵呵。
还有这个枪可以打2.75到3.5的所有霰弹，所以cover所有hunting，trap，skeet需要。
home defense？get another one if you believe you will ever need a shotgun
with a 18 inch barrel at that time.
Not sure if gurus here agree or not.
got me give semi a second look. That 'canadian shoot baikal' youtube shows
it's rugged |
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 46 looks like a very good semi-auto shotgun |
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 47 I did some research on Internet. It is a very good shotgun.It comes with
only one barrel (18.5"). Not sure if you can find a longer barrel with
matching sight to make it "一枪双管".
I was locked on Moss 590 but now plan to buy 930 SPX. Just found a local dealer sells it for $600+tax or do ffl
transfer for $20. On gunbroker.com, one seller sells for $520+40shipping
with no tax. Still pondering which way to go..... |
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 49 I saw a video on youtube that pump shotgun jammed as well. When it jams it's
actually harder to get the jammed shell out. With semi, you just pull the
charging handle to release the jam. |
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 50 I saw a video on youtube that pump shotgun jammed as well. When it jams it's
actually harder to get the jammed shell out. With semi, you just pull the
charging handle to release the jam. |
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