M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | 1 可以换BARREL的，兼顾HUNTING和HOME DEFENSE.
整个的费用不要超过1000。
谢了！ |
T******g
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s*****t
发帖数: 1661 | |
k**********i
发帖数: 8706 | 4 我听到semi auto shotgun的第一反应就是
Franchi SPAS-12 |
n******r
发帖数: 21 | |
M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | 6 研究了一下前辈们的意见并且做了一些RESEARCH。
前辈们推荐的SHOTGUN都比较侧重TACTICAL，不知是否可以象REMINGTON 870一样一枪双
管就可以打遍天下。短管HOME DEFENSE，长管通过换CHOKE打猎和TRAP SHOOTING。
http://hunting.about.com/od/toppicks/tp/tp_autoshotguns.htm
最后，目光落在了REMINGTON 11-87 SPORTSMAN和REMINGTON SPR453上。前者似乎在江
湖上有一定的声望，后者MADE IN RUSSIAN，巨便宜。
个人喜好TACTICAL STYLE，但也要能兼顾HUNTING和TRAP SHOOTING。
再请前辈们把把关，准备下单了，谢了！ |
i********1
发帖数: 653 | 7 REMINGTON SPR453
I have the Russian version Baikal MP153. It's cheap & reliable work well in
hunting and trap shooting. I think I paid less than $250 for mine w/ 4
chokes.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70819
pictures
reliability
I wouldn't do that to a Browning or Benelli LOL. |
s*****t
发帖数: 1661 | 8 those Russian Remington are all from IZH, which used to make AKs. |
M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | 9 好！目标锁定在REMINGTON SPR453/Baikal MP153，能省不少。
哪有好的DEAL啊？ |
i********1
发帖数: 653 | 10 还以为你已经看到deal了呢，search吧。
for example only: search Baikal or SPR 453
Russian Baikal are not easy to find but there is still some SPR out there if
you are willing to pay a little more $$.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=131860012
good luck! |
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M*******0
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 12 I've read from many places that for HD pump is more reliable than semi. Not sure if gurus here agree or not.
I am looking for a pump shotgun. Most likely will be a Mossberg. Your post got me give semi a second look. That 'canadian shoot baikal' youtube shows it's rugged. |
N******p
发帖数: 2777 | 13 How many rounds can you fire in 10 seconds with a pump?
Not
【在 n***s 的大作中提到】
: I've read from many places that for HD pump is more reliable than semi. Not sure if gurus here agree or not.
: I am looking for a pump shotgun. Most likely will be a Mossberg. Your post got me give semi a second look. That 'canadian shoot baikal' youtube shows it's rugged.
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 14 5? 6?
【在 N******p 的大作中提到】
: How many rounds can you fire in 10 seconds with a pump?
:
: Not
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N******p
发帖数: 2777 | 15 For HD, can you hold the shotgun at your side, or do you have to put it on y
our shoulder and aim?
【在 n***s 的大作中提到】
: 5? 6?
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 16 I got this from my coworker. He said he started shot gun when he was 5 and
he is 46 and has tons of experience on many kind of guns. He said you always put
shotgun against your shoulder. This way, you can get gun back on target
quicker after first shot. If you hold it at your side, kick back would put
lots of stress on your shooting wrist and could delay the follow up shots.
He also strongly against pistol grip though they look very cool because even
with shotgun, you still need to aim.
y
【在 N******p 的大作中提到】
: For HD, can you hold the shotgun at your side, or do you have to put it on y
: our shoulder and aim?
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N******p
发帖数: 2777 | 17 That makes sense. Thank you.
always put
even
【在 n***s 的大作中提到】
: I got this from my coworker. He said he started shot gun when he was 5 and
: he is 46 and has tons of experience on many kind of guns. He said you always put
: shotgun against your shoulder. This way, you can get gun back on target
: quicker after first shot. If you hold it at your side, kick back would put
: lots of stress on your shooting wrist and could delay the follow up shots.
: He also strongly against pistol grip though they look very cool because even
: with shotgun, you still need to aim.
:
: y
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H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 18 250刀买到这么支半自动的
很值啊
……
我也眼馋了
in
【在 i********1 的大作中提到】
: REMINGTON SPR453
: I have the Russian version Baikal MP153. It's cheap & reliable work well in
: hunting and trap shooting. I think I paid less than $250 for mine w/ 4
: chokes.
: http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=70819
: pictures
: reliability
: I wouldn't do that to a Browning or Benelli LOL.
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i********1
发帖数: 653 | 19 我不知道这个video是不是“rigged”or“rugged”，但是我自己的经历是这个MP153/
SPR453是很reliable的，就好象苏联AK一样。Built Like A Tank。Awesome。还有这个
枪在美国是便宜，在加拿大和欧洲价格都在$700+。
这个video是Baikal MP153在意大利被意大利人做torture test。五天里打了50,000发
霰弹。自己看吧。我是做不起这个实验呵呵。
还有这个枪可以打2.75到3.5的所有霰弹，所以cover所有hunting，trap，skeet需要。
home defense？get another one if you believe you will ever need a shotgun
with a 18 inch barrel at that time.
Not sure if gurus here agree or not.
got me give semi a second look. That 'canadian shoot baikal' youtube shows
it's rugged
【在 n***s 的大作中提到】
: I've read from many places that for HD pump is more reliable than semi. Not sure if gurus here agree or not.
: I am looking for a pump shotgun. Most likely will be a Mossberg. Your post got me give semi a second look. That 'canadian shoot baikal' youtube shows it's rugged.
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T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 20 looks like a very good semi-auto shotgun
【在 i********1 的大作中提到】
: 我不知道这个video是不是“rigged”or“rugged”，但是我自己的经历是这个MP153/
: SPR453是很reliable的，就好象苏联AK一样。Built Like A Tank。Awesome。还有这个
: 枪在美国是便宜，在加拿大和欧洲价格都在$700+。
: 这个video是Baikal MP153在意大利被意大利人做torture test。五天里打了50,000发
: 霰弹。自己看吧。我是做不起这个实验呵呵。
: 还有这个枪可以打2.75到3.5的所有霰弹，所以cover所有hunting，trap，skeet需要。
: home defense？get another one if you believe you will ever need a shotgun
: with a 18 inch barrel at that time.
:
: Not sure if gurus here agree or not.
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H****r
发帖数: 16240 | 21 这个东西有弹筒延长管吗？
【在 i********1 的大作中提到】
: 我不知道这个video是不是“rigged”or“rugged”，但是我自己的经历是这个MP153/
: SPR453是很reliable的，就好象苏联AK一样。Built Like A Tank。Awesome。还有这个
: 枪在美国是便宜，在加拿大和欧洲价格都在$700+。
: 这个video是Baikal MP153在意大利被意大利人做torture test。五天里打了50,000发
: 霰弹。自己看吧。我是做不起这个实验呵呵。
: 还有这个枪可以打2.75到3.5的所有霰弹，所以cover所有hunting，trap，skeet需要。
: home defense？get another one if you believe you will ever need a shotgun
: with a 18 inch barrel at that time.
:
: Not sure if gurus here agree or not.
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i********1
发帖数: 653 | |
M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | 23 LOCAL枪店推荐Mossberg 930 SPX，说是Benelli copy。
看了一下，可以一枪双管打遍天下，而且TACTICAL的装备似乎也很全。
不知这把枪如何？ |
n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 24 I did some research on Internet. It is a very good shotgun.It comes with
only one barrel (18.5"). Not sure if you can find a longer barrel with
matching sight to make it "一枪双管".
I was locked on Moss 590 but now plan to buy 930 SPX. Just found a local dealer sells it for $600+tax or do ffl
transfer for $20. On gunbroker.com, one seller sells for $520+40shipping
with no tax. Still pondering which way to go.....
【在 M*******0 的大作中提到】
: LOCAL枪店推荐Mossberg 930 SPX，说是Benelli copy。
: 看了一下，可以一枪双管打遍天下，而且TACTICAL的装备似乎也很全。
: 不知这把枪如何？
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M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | 25 最后，还是买了这一款：http://rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G85325
dealer sells it for $600+tax or do ffl
【在 n***s 的大作中提到】
: I did some research on Internet. It is a very good shotgun.It comes with
: only one barrel (18.5"). Not sure if you can find a longer barrel with
: matching sight to make it "一枪双管".
: I was locked on Moss 590 but now plan to buy 930 SPX. Just found a local dealer sells it for $600+tax or do ffl
: transfer for $20. On gunbroker.com, one seller sells for $520+40shipping
: with no tax. Still pondering which way to go.....
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 26 Good choice. Are you going to get an extension tube?
【在 M*******0 的大作中提到】
: 最后，还是买了这一款：http://rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=G85325
:
: dealer sells it for $600+tax or do ffl
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M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | |
T******g
发帖数: 21328 | 28 Mossberg的半自动还可以，打猎没问题，但是home defense性命攸关的我不会用
【在 M*******0 的大作中提到】
: LOCAL枪店推荐Mossberg 930 SPX，说是Benelli copy。
: 看了一下，可以一枪双管打遍天下，而且TACTICAL的装备似乎也很全。
: 不知这把枪如何？
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M*******0
发帖数: 1502 | 29 有道理，半自动肯定是没有870用得让人放心。
不过这一款930似乎还说得过去。
http://www.ammoland.com/2009/05/18/mossberg-930-spx-shotgun-receives-golden-bullseye-award/
【在 T******g 的大作中提到】
: Mossberg的半自动还可以，打猎没问题，但是home defense性命攸关的我不会用
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 30 Interesting. They put up 590A1 SPX picture for 930 SPX.
【在 M*******0 的大作中提到】
: 有道理，半自动肯定是没有870用得让人放心。
: 不过这一款930似乎还说得过去。
: http://www.ammoland.com/2009/05/18/mossberg-930-spx-shotgun-receives-golden-bullseye-award/
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 31 I saw a video on youtube that pump shotgun jammed as well. When it jams it's
actually harder to get the jammed shell out. With semi, you just pull the
charging handle to release the jam.
【在 M*******0 的大作中提到】
: 有道理，半自动肯定是没有870用得让人放心。
: 不过这一款930似乎还说得过去。
: http://www.ammoland.com/2009/05/18/mossberg-930-spx-shotgun-receives-golden-bullseye-award/
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n***s
发帖数: 10056 | 32 I saw a video on youtube that pump shotgun jammed as well. When it jams it's
actually harder to get the jammed shell out. With semi, you just pull the
charging handle to release the jam.
【在 M*******0 的大作中提到】
: 有道理，半自动肯定是没有870用得让人放心。
: 不过这一款930似乎还说得过去。
: http://www.ammoland.com/2009/05/18/mossberg-930-spx-shotgun-receives-golden-bullseye-award/
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