C***Y
发帖数: 1323 | 1 Many people, in regards to Japan's troublemaking on the Diaoyutai Islands,
imagine that America wants to provoke confrontation between Japan and China.
Who doesn't know that the Japanese government wants to strike China as a
display for America? Japanese people are extremely disgusted and
dissatisfied with American long-term occupation, especially the military
bases on Okinawa on which the Japanese government has failed to keep their
promises to the people. The U.S. occupation of Japan has deepe... 阅读全帖 |
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l*****7
发帖数: 8463 | 2 1. 邪恶的日本独裁政府公然违反琉球王国人民的民主自由人权!
2. 强烈支持琉球王国的民主自由人权斗士!!!
3. 强烈支持琉球王国独立!!!
Check out link 1 and 2 below
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Link 1:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/06/world/asia/in-okinawa-talk-of
In Okinawa, Talk of Break From Japan Turns Serious
Ko Sasaki for The New York Times
Chosuke Yara, the head of the Ryukyu Independence Party, last month. “
Independence is an idea whose time has come,” he said.
By MARTIN FACKLER
Published: July 5, 2013
NAHA, Japan — In a win... 阅读全帖 |
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k*******3
发帖数: 918 | 3 In the era of network news said: " the big era is independent of the Chinese
media, based in the community, look the world. Committed to the report
reader cares main topic, loyal and responsible, with a critical eye on
current affairs, pay attention to human rights and religious freedom. Epoch
times does not shy away from controversial social issues, adhere faithfully
report the truth ". The truth?
The big era has been to attack smearing China as the main target, there are
many rumors spread rum... 阅读全帖 |
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k*****i
发帖数: 122 | 4 给感兴趣的。骂人的请绕道。
昨天在看一个youtube video的时候写了下面反驳日本观点的comments。
我基本上是基于一个新西兰的法律硕士论文（http://ir.canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/10092/4085/1/thesis_fulltext.pdf）。
这篇论文的长处在于它用英文从国际法的角度来分析问题，而往往
中国人知道历史的不知道法律，知道法律的不怎么会英文。所以如果
感兴趣，不妨看一看。
youtube的链接就不给了，我的目的是给感兴趣的人提供更多资料，
不是找人打口水仗的。
为方便阅读，简单把几个名词翻译如下
Ryukyu： 琉球
Dowager Empress： 慈禧
Okinawa Prefecture：冲绳县
first Sino-Japanese war：（中日）甲午战争
Why Diaoyu Islands belong to China? Here’s why
1. International Law
1.1) It is true that title by discovery is only an inchoate t... 阅读全帖 |
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 5 -"Do you want Ryukyu"
-"What?"
-"Do you want Ryukyu"
-"I can't hear you"
-"Do you want Ryukyu"
-"Where is Ryukyu"
-"Do you want Ryukyu"
-"Hmmm ...."
-"Do you want mu fucking support!!!!!"
-"Yes, yes, yes" |
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w********9
发帖数: 8613 | 6 连不上。补上相关内容。
“”“”“”“”“”“”“”
During a private dinner with the Chiangs on the evening of November 23,
President Roosevelt asked Chiang China's intentions regarding the Ryukyu
Islands. According to the memorandum written by the Chinese side (Roosevelt'
s special assistant Harry Hopkins was present but did not apparently take
notes), "The President referred to the question of the Ryukyu Islands and
enquired more than once whether China would want the Ryukyus." To this,
Chiang reportedly replied that... 阅读全帖 |
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L******f
发帖数: 5368 | 7 Agreement Between the United States of America and Japan Concerning the
Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands
Washington and Tokyo (simultaneously),
17th June,1971
The United States of America and Japan
Noting that the President of the United States of America and the Prime
Minister of Japan reviewed together on November 19, 20, and 21, 1969 the
status of the Ryukyu Islands the Daito Islands, referred to as "Okinawa" in
the Joint Communique between the President and the Prime Minister issued on
N |
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D*****i
发帖数: 8922 | 8 Any treaty regarding China's land is not valid without China's approval,
period.
Yeah, Ryukyu returned to Japan, and let ALL big powers to decide Ryukyu's
status. |
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 9 真能睁眼说瞎话，罗斯福问了很多次，难道只是试探？怕是不敢相信蒋介石为何支支吾
吾不要硫球吧："The president then referred to the question of Ryukyu islands
and enquired morethan once whether China want the Ryukyu"
即使是美国试探如何，难道蒋介石说我要，美国人还抽他嘴巴子不成？ |
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 10 "The president then referred to the question of Ryukyu islands
and enquired more than once whether China want the Ryukyu"
这是你自己引的文章里的。
对了，当时美国还没打硫球呢。 |
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o**********n
发帖数: 367 | 11 During the years 1945-1950, the United States government was unsure of what
to do with Okinawa. Administrative control of Okinawa Island was the
responsibility of the navy until July 1946, at which time the army took over
(the army had already been in control of the outlying islands). Several
years later, control shifted briefly back to the navy, but quickly returned
to the army, which exercised administrative control until 1972. Also during
these early years, there was little communication or c... 阅读全帖 |
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 12
Completely wrong interpretation. The reason US transfered the island to
Japan was to create a point of conflict between China and Japan. If Ryukyu
become independent, the Diaoyu island will no longer be a problem between
China and Japan. Only a fool would think US would find it strategically
advantageous to make the island part of Ryukyu by force. |
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c*********e
发帖数: 13906 | 13 Worldwide M1+ Earthquakes, Past 7 Days
https://explore.data.gov/Geography-and-Environment/Worldwide-M1-Earthquakes-
Past-7-Days/7tag-iwnu
Src,Eqid,Version,Datetime,Lat,Lon,Magnitude,Depth,NST,Region
nn,00388838,9,"Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:49:45 UTC",36.0628,-116.1913,1
.1,4.90,15,"Central California"
nc,71844125,1,"Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:24:56 UTC",38.8212,-122.7993,1
.3,3.00,26,"Northern California"
hv,60400351,2,"Tuesday, September 18, 2012 10:48:50 UTC",19.0077,-155.4210,2
.9,44... 阅读全帖 |
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l****s
发帖数: 113 | 14 http://www.bullock.cn/blogs/tdtw1/archives/129284.aspx
自钓鱼岛撞船事件以来，最近网上又掀起了一股论证该岛“自古以来就是中国神圣而不
可分割的一部
分”的风潮。这钓鱼岛可能古代的时候还确实是中国的一部分，但是到43年之后还是不
是可就不好说
了。如果你看过台湾热血保钓男马英九在“钓鱼台列屿问题学术研讨会”上的发言《钓
鱼台问题简
析》，就会发现里面有一段看似轻描淡写、实则异常蛋疼的文字：
“二次大战后，罗斯福跟史达林想把琉球交给中国，但是中国觉得琉球当年是日本占领
的，所以希望琉
球独立。结果是先由美军先托管，以后再说。美军托管琉球时发布的第一号命令，就是
划出托管区，
而公布的托管区经纬度地图包含钓鱼台列屿，但是当时中华民国政府却没有反应。为何
会如此？有人
立委质询过后来的外交部政务次长沈剑虹先生，他说是为了区域的安全，所以没有表示
意见。”
不仅是马英九，在另一篇关于“钓鱼台列屿问题学术研讨会”的报导《争钓鱼台，国际
法不利台湾》
中，几位学者都提到问题的关键就在于蒋介石在二战时期主动放弃了琉球群岛的主权，
并且在未来的
二十... 阅读全帖 |
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K*******i
发帖数: 631 | 15 米纸报道：
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/01/world/asia/01japan.html?_r=2&
During the 1945 battle, during which one quarter of the civilian population
was killed, the Japanese Army showed indifference to Okinawa’s defense and
safety. Japanese soldiers used civilians as shields against the Americans,
and persuaded locals that victorious American soldiers would go on a rampage
of killing and raping. With the impending victory of American troops,
civilians committed mass suicide, urged on by fanatical J... 阅读全帖 |
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 17
Are there any claims from Japan that Diaoyu island was actually a part of
Ryukyu, thus not subject to returning to China before report of possible oil
in the region? By Chinese record, there were none. |
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P*******t
发帖数: 332 | 18 If there could be British and American Virgin Islands,there could be Chinese
Ryukyu Islands. |
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m*****n
发帖数: 5245 | 19 美海军学院副教授：钓鱼岛开战威胁华大国地位
大中小2012-08-21 05:17:53
http://national.dwnews.com/news/2012-08-21/58807753.html
【多维新闻】1894年9月，以大清帝国为中心的亚洲秩序因北洋舰队的溃败而在一个下
午之内被颠覆。如今，美国军事学者又撰文分析中日海军谁能打赢一场假想的“钓鱼岛
海战”。文章指出，即便是解放军最终能占据上风，但如果因战争伤了元气，则中国的
世界大国地位也同样会在一个下午之内丧失。
美国海军军事学院（Naval War College）副教授霍尔姆斯博士（James R. Holmes, Ph
.D.）8月20日在《外交政策》杂志网站发文，假设中日之间围绕钓鱼岛发生新的海战，
并分析各方的优势及取胜几率。
霍尔姆斯指出，战争是政治的延续，从政治因素出发，除非是北京铁了心要在外交上孤
立日本，抑或是东京心智失常地用战争政策自我封闭，中日开战的可能性微乎其微。再
加上中日大战定会把美国“套牢”，因此发生军事冲突的几率就更小了。
但撇开政治不谈，霍尔姆斯还是试图从纯军事的视角分析中日之间的海军实... 阅读全帖 |
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m**c
发帖数: 7299 | 20 Senkaku islands dispute is quite simple.
1. Senkaku islands had belonged to no country until January 1895,
when Japan incorporated them.
(暴力夺取,根据二战的条款,无效而且必须归还)
2. China had recognized the Senkaku islands as Japanese territory until the
late 1960s, when a submarine oil field was found around them.
(中国因为红匪做乱,无暇处理,但渔民..........)
3. In 1971, China suddenly started claiming that the Senkaku islands
belong to China for the first time throughout its history.
(之前是美国托管,跟日本无关)
Conclusion:... 阅读全帖 |
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 21 You are try to confusing now. Answer me, which of UK's or ROC's treaty with
Japan said Ryukyu Islands belong to Japan? They signed treaties with Japan,
yes. But that does not mean those treaties must be same as the one US signed
with Japan.
roc |
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C***y
发帖数: 96 | 22 Japan only has administration over Ryukyu/Okinawa,
Its sovereignty is still questionable. |
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c*****2
发帖数: 899 | 23 小列岛--大问题：尖阁列岛／钓鱼岛及其历史地理在中日关系中的重要性
加文•麦考马克 Gavan McCormack*
尖阁列岛开拓纪念日
2010年12月，冲绳石垣市（日本法律将此列岛归属于该市管辖）通过议案宣布将1月14
日定为“尖阁列岛开拓纪念日”，以纪念116年前日本内阁将此列岛划为日本领土的日
子。中国立即表示了抗议。
石垣市的举动可援引自2005年岛根县议会通过“竹岛日”，以纪念日本兼并竹岛100周
年的日子。该岛目前置于韩国的实际控制和管理之下，韩国方面称之为独岛。岛根县的
举动招来了韩国方面的强烈抗议。此次来自中国的抗议不会比韩国温和。为什么这些贫
瘠的、只有濒于灭绝的短尾信天翁栖息的、无人居住的礁石会对这些国家有如此重要性
？这些岛屿到底属于哪个国家？怎样才能解决领土争议？
事件经过
2010年9月7日早上，在此列岛附近海面捕鱼的中国闽进渔5179号渔船两次和日本海岸警
卫队船发生碰撞，日本称之为尖阁列岛，中国和台湾称之为钓鱼岛或钓鱼台（注1）。
此列岛实质上属于日本的管辖，但是中国和台湾均宣称对此拥有对主权。中国船长詹奇
雄拒绝服从日本海岸警卫队船要求其离... 阅读全帖 |
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l********k
发帖数: 14844 | 25 between Tibet and the Chinese government这种说法，好比"Hawii and the US
government", "Ryukyu Islands and the Japanese government"一样 |
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D*****i
发帖数: 8922 | 26 China never said SF Treaty was valid.
China opposed the USA occupied Ryukyu unilaterally in the 1950s.
效。 |
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r*****y
发帖数: 53800 | 27 China never said SF Treaty was valid.
--------------------------------------------
金胖说所有条约都是无效的，所以金胖就可以主张全世界的领土？
China opposed the USA occupied Ryukyu unilaterally in the 1950s.
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50年代中国反对美国占领硫球，要求把硫球归还日本。 |
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D*****i
发帖数: 8922 | 28 There has no official treaty to cut out Ryukyu from Japan yet, but Potsdam
Declaration gave the four big powers the right to do so. It is time for the
big four to work out a treaty now:)
The USA never has a big mouth to say what you said:) |
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D*****i
发帖数: 8922 | 29 The other three's attitude is not clear, but once Ryukyu's status is brought
out on the table, it's going to be Japan's nightmare:) |
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d*****u
发帖数: 17243 | 30 不容易啊
In the Ryukyu Islands, a separate cultural New Year is still celebrated
based on the Chinese lunar calendar. |
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 31 "Do you want Ryukyu?"
为啥蒋介石不要？
ThepresidentthenreferredtothequestionofRyukyuislandsandenquiredmorethanoncew |
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 32 Fact: Asked more than once whether China wanted Ryukyu;
Guess: 表达的是一种探寻。
ThepresidentthenreferredtothequestionofRyukyuislandsandenquiredmorethanoncew
ThepresidentthenreferredtothequestionofRyukyuislandsandenquiredmorethanoncew |
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p******o
发帖数: 9007 | 33 这是弯弯在蒋介石拒收硫球岛问题上的考证。
http://forum.u-car.com.tw/thread.asp?forumid=202803
如果你看過台灣熱血保釣男馬英九在“釣魚台列嶼問題學術研討會”上的發言《釣魚台
問題簡析》，就會發現裡面有一段看似輕描淡寫、實則異常蛋疼的文字：
“二次大戰後，羅斯福跟史達林想把琉球交給中國，但是中國覺得琉球當年是日本占領
的，所以希望琉球獨立。結果是先由美軍先托管，以後再說。美軍托管琉球時發布的第
一號命令，就是劃出托管區，而公布的托管區經緯度地圖包含釣魚台列嶼，但是當時中
華民國政府卻沒有反應。為何會如此？有人立委質詢過後來的外交部政務次長沈劍虹先
生，他說是為了區域的安全，所以沒有表示意見。”
不僅是馬英九，在另一篇關於“釣魚台列嶼問題學術研討會”的報導《爭釣魚台，國際
法不利台灣》中，幾位學者都提到問題的關鍵就在於蔣介石在二戰時期主動放棄了琉球
群島的主權，並且在未來的二十多年裡從來沒有提出過任何異議。大陸這邊同樣有多篇
文章提到，在1943年開羅會議期間，蔣介石曾攜王寵惠與羅斯福單獨談話，席間羅斯福
詢問蔣介石是否想要索回琉球主權，蔣... 阅读全帖 |
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o**y
发帖数: 3065 | 35 请大家到白宫网站投票琉球独立
petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/independence-ryukyu/WTVzDTZX
要开个账号后才可以投票。 |
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s*******l
发帖数: 8210 | 36 别不懂乱说瞎猜了。 旧金山合约由美国领衔，签与1951年9月8日。包括美国和日本在
内的46国签署了本合约。 这一合约是1945年7月美国主导签署《波茨坦公告》结束二次
世界大战后的收尾细则。 其中对日本与相关战时和战后各国的主权，利益，领土，赔
偿等作了相对具体的规定。 涉及到日本领土，赔偿和中国的部分有一下几个具体条款：
第二章：领土
第二条：陈述
第２款：日本放弃对台湾、澎湖的所有权利、名称与要求。
(b) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to Formosa and the Pescadores
.
第６款：日本放弃对南沙群岛，西沙群岛的所有权利、名称与要求。
(f) Japan renounces all right, title and claim to the Spratly Islands and to
the Paracel Islands.
第三条：陈述
日本同意美国对北纬29度以南的西南群岛（包括琉球群岛和大东群岛) 、汝富岩以南各
岛(含小笠原群岛、西之与火山群岛) ，和冲之鸟岛以及南鸟岛等地提交联合国信托管... 阅读全帖 |
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 37
Unless you are an idiot, you would know what "independently discovered"
means. You can't discover an island you already knew from someone else's
map.
Since Japan had just annexed Ryukyu not so long before that, pretty much
without concern over Chinese reaction, it would seem highly laughable to say
they would worry about Chinese reaction over annexing an "ownerless" island
. Only an idiot would think that way.
Only in the mind of an idiot. |
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a******s
发帖数: 285 | 38 一直是琉球群岛吧，冲绳县，这是日本行政区划，只是琉球群岛的一部分。
以后对外要坚持称Ryukyu，而不是Okinawa。
日本人不知道Northeastern China，只知道Manchuria. |
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s********e
发帖数: 11693 | 39 （转）3月8号09:53分,也就是飞机失联后六小时，亚航CEO-Tony Fernandes就发推说飞
机在Naning，但随后不久该推即被删除。之后有网友通过谷歌地图在马六甲海域真的发
现了一个叫Naning的小岛，而岛上居然还有一个不起眼的机场。。。
http://www.ryukyu-china.com/data ... f0rel3j0jzxjwel.jpg |
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b********6
发帖数: 35437 | 40 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Treaty_of_San_Francisco
Japan will concur in any proposal of the United States to the United Nations
to place under its trusteeship system, with the United States as the sole
administering authority, Nansei Shoto south of 29° north latitude (
including the Ryukyu Islands and the Daito Islands), Nanpo Shoto south of
Sofu Gan (including the Bonin Islands, Rosario Island and the Volcano
Islands) and Parece Vela and Marcus Island. Pending the making of such a
proposal a... 阅读全帖 |
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c****x
发帖数: 6601 | 41 好我们来说一下。
1. 是否能用这件事来证明中国人的贪婪和领土野心？是否能用这件事来证明中国共产
党政权在实力扩张后的领土野心？
首先，我们来谈谈国民党的定位。国民党，翻译成 Chinese Nationalist Party，可以
看出是民族主义者政党的意思。二战胜利后，中国最高领袖是怎么对待越南的？
当年罗斯福提出建议把越南纳入中国统治之下，当时的蒋介石拒绝了这件事。一个民族
主义者的政党，清晰明确自己本民族的主权利益边界，没有贪婪扩张领土，反而支持越
南的独立。另外，有关琉球的部分，琉球虽长期为中国属国，在1943年罗斯福询问是否
蒋介石要收琉球，蒋介石认为琉球应该独立。
这能够证明作为一个民族主义为意识形态的中国贪婪么？
Late in the war, with Japan and Nazi Germany nearing defeat, US President
Franklin D. Roosevelt privately decided that the French should not reacquire
their colonial property of Fre... 阅读全帖 |
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o**********e
发帖数: 18403 | 42 Let Hague court arbitrate Ryukyu Independence. |
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x****u
发帖数: 44466 | 43 1972冲绳归还前没有所谓当地政府，是United States Civil Administration of the
Ryukyu Islands这个占领军机构。 |
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y****t
发帖数: 10233 | 44 from the perspective of human nature, this makes sense tho.
Should you have asked chinese people, i would bet even more people would "
wish" alaska/hawaii be independent country out of united states, ryukyu out
of japan, or quebec out of canada.
guess they love dalai lama just as the rest of world love barack hussein
obama.
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发帖数: 5204 | 45 JOC : Tai Bei China
That is best!
Btw, next decade LZ might meet (Ryukyu Ming Dynasty)
that kind of historic book as reference or just (Edo Tokyo Post Qin Dynastry
)
as real world..lol
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发帖数: 8732 | 46 迎接樱花节 www.vcbf.ca
[2009-04-01]
一年一度的樱花节匯演（Cherry Jam Downtown）周二中午，在温哥华市中心布拉德架
空列车站（Burrard Station）附近举行，同时也为2009年温哥华樱花节揭开序幕。数
百个公眾在午餐时间，免费欣赏极富异国情调的文艺表演。图为Yuaikai Ryukyu Taiko
组合，表演传统日本太鼓舞。图文：本报记者陈细木
櫻花節盛放日本風 2009年4月1日
廣 告
【明報專訊】櫻花今年雖來不及在溫哥華櫻花節時開花，令慶祝活動大為失色，但參與
者興致仍高。
溫哥華櫻花節由上月28日至本月24日舉行，安排了一系列活動，鼓勵大家觀賞溫哥華盛
放的櫻花，同時慶祝日本文化。
大會昨日更在溫哥華市中心布勒(Burrard)架空列車站內安排了公開慶祝活動，包括打
太鼓、跳日本舞、空手道表演等，參加者與觀賞者興致很高。該車站旁邊的小公園種滿
櫻花樹，去年這個時候已經滿是櫻花，大異於今年的景致。
溫哥華今年天氣較冷，滿樹櫻花只是含苞，卻未有發放，令慶祝活動大為失色。去年該
活動會有多位政府官員參加，包括溫哥華市長及日本總領事， |
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发帖数: 1817 | 49 有兴趣的童鞋速联系我。 具体的计划 QQ 上 讨论： 私信QQ号
时间：
理想的是 1个月 1次中远程的出境游 火山岛群 类的 + 1个短途国内自驾游（飞到风
景区再租车 最便宜）。
喜欢远离人群的喧嚣，大自然的宁静和造物主的神奇。 散落在太平洋的岛屿众多，星
罗棋布，每个岛屿都玩下来时间，代价太高，从A岛直接“跳”C岛，绕过风景类似的B
岛- 避免去重复类型的岛屿，具有很大的机动性地把一片片岛屿群收集到自己的旅游地
图上 。
驴友可以只选择其中的岛屿，最好是喜欢类似的风景的：海滩+雨林+火山+瀑布
主要枢纽城市： 夏威夷和关岛 同时也会在以下城市转机，根据岛屿而定： San
Francisco, LAX, Tokyo, Auckland, Sydney, 上海，Hong Kong, Manila, Singapore.
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夏威夷群岛： Hawaiʻi(Big island), Maui, Kahoʻolawe, Lānaʻi,
Molokaʻi, Oʻahu, Kauaʻi, Niʻihau.
马里亚纳... 阅读全帖 |
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y*****y
发帖数: 1208 | 50 3 Major treaties in history.
1. The Cairo Declaration, which was the outcome of the Cairo Conference on
November 27, 1943, states "All territories Japan had won from China, such as
Manchuria (Dongbei), Formosa (Taiwan), and the Pescadores (Penghu), shall
be restored to the Republic of China." The Cairo Declaration is signed by US
, UK, and China, and cited in Clause Eight (8) of the Potsdam Declaration,
which is referred by the Japanese Instrument of Surrender.
2. The Potsdam Declaration or the ... 阅读全帖 |
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