a***a
发帖数: 434 | 1 花$110多块
卖摩托车配件的，难道他自己不能搞吗？ |
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d*****1
发帖数: 8618 | 3 这不显然吗
为什么版上大神还从恶霸上买打包工具?
这就和为什么麦当劳不自己养牛一个道理 |
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l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 4 人家花这个时间去找便宜一二十块的第二不值得，不如直接在医院买方便。 |
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x*****i
发帖数: 4035 | 7 if your company offers COBRA, you may want to read this:
http://www.shrm.org/templatestools/hrqa/pages/howdoescobraapply
excerpt:
For those who have ‘underspent’ accounts, COBRA must be offered, but it
may be terminated at the end of the plan year in which the qualifying event
occurs. COBRA coverage does not need to be offered to QBs who have ‘
overspent’ their accounts at the time of the qualifying event.
Employees who elect COBRA continuation coverage may only make after-tax
contributions to t... 阅读全帖 |
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y****r
发帖数: 3036 | 8 没有rogers，gb也就是7-8wins
没有brees，saints也就是7-8wins
没有eli，giants也就是7-8wins
没有big ben，steelers也就是7-8wins
这些都是假设，来个真的，没有peyton的colts，变成了倒数第一
就跟赢了球被人夸一样，输了球，尤其是这样输了球被骂也是应该的，这对QBs再公平
不过
何况昨天的int，grounding都基本上是QB一人之过，和选秀没什么关系。
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c******n
发帖数: 5697 | 9 看看真正的运动球迷是什么水平，有多专业
我觉得fisher 's exact test用的很对
【 以下文字转载自 Football 讨论区 】
发信人: tank (T-90), 信区: Football
标 题: Re: 拍子的Offensive Line 有多烂？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Dec 6 22:48:21 2012, 美东)
看大家讨论拍子和统计，我老潜水员任不住冒个泡。
我拍子鼻子饭，统计faculty。老看人用MC的 11－5 贬低鼻子，忘了鼻子用相同的配置
是16－0。这是什么意思呢？如果我们把这个结果放在下面的 2x2 table：
W L
鼻子 16 0
MC 11 5
用 Fisher's exact test 检测 H0: 鼻子=MC, 结果是p=0.04338，reject at 5%
type I error.
Comparing Manning and Tebow (assuming PM gets 13-3 this season):
W L
PM 13 ... 阅读全帖 |
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s******s
发帖数: 508 | 10 The most significant stats in this game for QBs is the INT column.
Too-old-Favre lost a step.
Childress勾栏有点保守，根以前港人的烤娃类似。这种事后诸葛亮人人都会说，
如果4th down, go for it或AP跑三四次, 没成功，丫更要被骂死。要在AFCN前
搞Running game很不容易的。上次乌鸦的D打盹，让味精人钻了空子。港人和乌鸦的D，都是连续N年的牛X D。防不住跑，在AFCN没法混（See近几年的Blowns)，
港人以前经常到了下半场不传只跑，对手就是知道是跑，也经常防不住，所以
AFCN都要先搞定跑防。尤其是三四的鼻子坦克，OL两个人（center+OG)必须要
搞定，否则很难跑。港人的Hampton虽然老点儿，可也算是贾毛威廉姆斯之后的
Top鼻子之一，Childress估计也有所考虑，不过港人的跑防大牛阿龙史密斯去了
IR, 港人跑防弄成这样，应该算不错了。Childress至少应该让AP跑两次，丫
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M******r
发帖数: 38 | 11 Both of NU lost are against mobile QBs. Blackshirts might have a hard time
containing DR.
17 : 24 UM wins. |
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m****s
发帖数: 8992 | 12 Can't take anything away from Tom
BUT BB will win with other quality QBs and we have all seen that.
BB is the MAN! |
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m*******i
发帖数: 8711 | 13 He is fulfilling his "big time choker" claim, that dated back to his
Tennessee days.
His playoff record is 9-9, much much worse than those great QBs in the
history. |
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U*********r
发帖数: 5610 | 14 It's better to get blown out now than in the playoffs. I think it's a good
wake up call. The Texans teams are not built for coming from behind against
good teams with elite QBs. |
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k******a
发帖数: 2436 | 15 I don't necessarily think that is the case. In pro sports it is hard to
decide a un-drafted young player/rookie's value. It is like pricing a house,
you need to find comparable houses and their sell price. In these
situations the normal thing to do is let the market set the price.
Essentially Lin's value is decided by the highest bid.
Signing Felton is a normal move since Davis and Bibby are not returning.
Since Kidd can only play half of the game, NYK needs 3 PGs.
Just remember Pablo is signed ... 阅读全帖 |
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b****e
发帖数: 1275 | 16 wuwuwuw.. i think this team is pretty weak.. probably
will lose to psu.. and end up 3rd or sth in the big 10 conf
yikes! hope the QBs mature faster |
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R*s
发帖数: 2041 | 17 it's not as simple as u thought.
Let's say QB can earn most pts, like 20 a game, everyone else is 10 a game.
But if you have 10 QBs at the same level, while only a few good RB/WR/TE
out there, then no way u should go for QB first (becoz you can get
a quality one anyway in a later round).
Just an example. It shows that the draft is not based on the pts certain
position player can make, it's based on individual player's value among
the players in the same position. |
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l******o
发帖数: 80 | 18 Good approach. But I would build OL/DL first instead of finding a franchise QB.
They're most stable potitions in ateam in terms of performance and investment
risks. Plus it's virtually impossible to get a veteran franchise level QB
before you have a good OL. Also I wouldn't waste my top draft pick on QB
simply b/c it's too risky. I would use my big money on OT/DE, lock them
into longterm, Sign some proven and solid backup QBs. Fill the rest up with
average players. Use draft picks/free agency a |
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a****r
发帖数: 154 | 19 two of the best traditional QBs there days. (BFL, anybody? hehe)
just IMO,
smartness: it's a wash, they are probably top 2 in today's NFL
arm strength: manning is better, Penning's long ball has more curve
accurancy: both are pretty good. i couldn't decide
coolness: Penning has the edge. still feel Manning has the tendency to force
the issus and get picked under pressure
receiver crop: used to be Manning's edge. probably not any longer. Santana
Moss is becoming an elite WR and Jets have a decent |
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s*****a
发帖数: 3693 | 20 In their first 4 years performance.
Comp. Att. Pct. Yds. TD INT Rat. Playoffs Titlegames
Marino (83-86) 1,249 2,050 60.9% 16,177 142 67 95.2 3-2 0-1
Montana (79-82) 713 1,130 63.1% 8,069 52 32 88.0 2-0 1-0
Unitas (56-59) 611 1,129 54.1% 8,954 84 48 87.2 0-0 2-0
Brady (00-03) 955 1,544 61.9% 10,233 69 38 85.9 4-0 2-0
Manning (98-01) 1,347 2,226 60.5% 16,418 111 81 84.7 0-2 0-0
Staubach (69-72)202 360 56.1% 2,943 18 14 83.4 2-1 1-0
Favre (91-94) 983 1,5 |
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g**p
发帖数: 22 | 21 Peyton Manning's contract in 2004, 98 million, 7 years, 34.5 million signing
bouns, all guaranteed
Michael Vick contract in 2004: 130 million, 10 years, 37 million guaranteed
signing bonus
According to Providence Journal, Brady was ready to accept a deal that will
pay him 60 million for 6 years, with a signing bonus of 24 million.
You can argue whatever you want about those 3 qbs, but to me, Brady kept his
promoise of not asking for full market value.
However, the stupid, greedy Patriots asked t |
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b******l
发帖数: 8 | 22 what made their defense that good is KC and Baltimore's poor offense
performance, especially their
quaterbacks, they were really uncharacteristically awful. we will see how
good colts' defense is this
sunday, packing 8-9 defense players in the box doesn't work if the opponent'
s QB can pass some decent
long balls. in colt's first two playoff games, they just needed to stop the
runs because KC and Balt's QBs
simply could not pass in a horrific manner, that is why they were successful
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C******r
发帖数: 282 | 23 佩顿曼宁之所以能成为佩顿曼宁，one of the best QBs in the history,不是偶然的
，NFL里不缺有加农炮胳膊能扔deep pass的，比如Michael Vick；不缺能传出接不住没
天理的soft touch球的，比如Pennington; 不缺传球精准的，比如Bulger; 不缺能读懂
对方防守的，比如Brady。 但是真正能把这些素质集于一身的，只有大曼宁做得最好 (
well, at least在非big game时) 。大白菜领军的扣子进攻，有N种方式来展开攻击。
包括
1) 如果你man coverage哈里森或safety协防不力，大白菜会毫不犹豫的搞长途奔袭。
即使防哈里森的是象拍子三毛一样的一流角卫也吓不住曼宁。
2) 如果你的二号CB(一般二号CB都列阵于right corner的位置) 水平明显比一号CB菜，
曼宁会特殊照顾Reggie Wayne.
3) 如果你的OLB/Safety是coverage里的弱点，以前大白菜会充分利用slot WR Stokley
. 今年Stokley挂了，TE Dallas Clark继续了这个角色 |
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d**a
发帖数: 98 | 24 Dan: "how many QBs do you think Bucs have to have to get a win?"
Chris:" Probably 8"
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f**e
发帖数: 134 | 25 Between Manning and Sanchez, there are at least a couple of young QBs. So
don't get too high. |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 26 Taking into account what the two QBs've ALREADY accomplished,
this is one of the strongest SU match-up, clearly two top ones in their
absolute prime. |
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B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 28 Ok, off the bat, Favre, Aikman, Elway, Montana, Bradshaw, Manning, Brady,
Baugh, Graham, Unitas -- aren't these 10 conclusively better QBs than
Marino? I got nothing else to say
if you disagree. |
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t********e
发帖数: 143 | 29 I think he is close enough. He already has accuracy record this season. I
also got second best passing yards ever in a single season. 2 rings will
seal it though. He is one of most underrated QBs for sure probably due to
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t********e
发帖数: 143 | 30 I think he is close enough. He already has accuracy record this season. I
also got second best passing yards ever in a single season. 2 rings will
seal it though. He is one of most underrated QBs for sure probably due to
his size. |
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u*h
发帖数: 397 | 31 一声叹息。
colts输了， 我一晚上折腾到4点才睡着， 梦里还尽是football。
今年的colts， PM is at his best,
but the rest of team is not even close to a good team.
教练是菜鸟， 也没啥担当。
防守队员中， 几个主力都伤了。 最后连freeny都伤了。 实在是没人了。
进攻队员， 雷击翁估计是有伤在身， 不在状态。 几个穿给他的球，
都有被INT的可能， 而最后终于被INT了。
两员小将， 虽然表现不错， 但终于还是有些失误。 在这种
打成功率的比赛里， 一点点失误就能改变比赛进程。
最后还是要批评一下大白菜的心理素质。 这场球要是赢了，
大白菜基本上就可以是the best QB ever.
现在， 大白菜还只能是 one of the best QBs
最后再和各位colts fan说一声，今天再发20个白菜包子，
希望能给昨天伤心的各位带来一点点喜悦。 更希望colts 明年再来。 |
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s******m
发帖数: 940 | 32 Drew Brees was actually very good when he was at Purdue, GPA was 3.8 something.
I also remembered someone mentioned in NCAA board several QBs were
academically excellent in colleges.
scholarships,
and |
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s***p
发帖数: 2705 | 33 What's his major, community service? hehe
Of course there're smart guys in the nfl, but i just don't think IQ is a imp
ortant factor for even the QBs.
something. |
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b******d
发帖数: 9694 | 34
Yes
Yes
Yes
No. Your conclusion was based on the past, while my excitement is coming
from the so much fresh blood injected into this team.Stafford is a natural
leader and has both excellent mental and physical toughness. Calvin John
could very well be on his way to be the top 5 receiver in the league with
the addition of Nate Burleson. Ndamukong Suh is gonna kill many QBs in the
league and he will be the symbol of Lions' defense for years to come.
any. |
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h***o
发帖数: 2321 | 35 It does not take long to find the list and estmate the cost.
It takes quite a few years to develop a Qb, so let's look at picks
between 1991 and 2005
Here is what you would get:
HOF level: Payton Manning
probowl level: Drew Bledsoe, Steve McNair, Michael Vick, Carson Palmer, Eli
Manning
so it is about 40% chance, I would not want to gamble with that rate, would
you?
91
Dan McGwire
Todd Marinovich
92
David Klingler
Tommy Maddox
93
Drew Bledsoe
Rick Mirer
94
Heath Shuler
Trent Dilfer
95
Steve |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 36 算法不严谨。还有很多最近的，你default成bust, 不行吧。比如,
where is big ben? philip rivers? how about donovan mcnabb?
aaron rodgers?
结论我是同意的。rookie pay is ridiculous, 烂队年年top 10
pick, 结果大把资金套牢在rookie上，bust一个2个就5年10年不得
翻身了
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o****3
发帖数: 5100 | 40 Not trying to beat a dead horse: but it is hard to evaluate a 1st round
rookie.
You can use your method to check any position of 1st round, that rate will
not be much higher.
I read it somewhere the bust rate of 1st rd dt is worse than qb.
Eli
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 41 coach doesn't worry about hurting someone's feelings. the best player plays.
the only players not happy are the two QBs. even the doubters are rallying
behind favre after the initial skeptism. why? because favre can back it up.
he delivers. jackson? he's a bust. if jackson has as much skill as peyton
manning or tom brady, do you think the coach will kiss BF's ass?
i'm surprised you bring up jackson instead of sage. if anything, sage at
least plays better than jackson. jackson shouldn't even be i |
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H****t
发帖数: 2542 | 42 Dolphins paid such price for Brandon Marshall.
But VJ is not Marshall. We all know that.
VJ is more like Javon Walker, depending on who throws the ball.
Star QBs make them stars. |
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J**e
发帖数: 15008 | 43 qbs make wrs better看来是真理啊 |
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c****g
发帖数: 37081 | 44 一般是D coordinator 根据O的formation喊战术，Peyton 是根据D的formation call
喊战术。Peyton audible后D没时间调整了。主动权永远在Peyton手里，这就是Peyton
on and above all QBs 的原因。没见过john elway，Peyton是俺见过最出类拔萃的QB
。另一个是MV. |
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b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 45 nobody forced you to play football. if you are afraid (and many
WRs are afraid to go across the middle), you don't have to play
football. maybe you should ask your QB to stop putting balls in
a place that put receivers in danger. i think those bad QBs need
to be fined/suspended
jeopardy. |
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z*i
发帖数: 58873 | 46 just became the team’s all-time passing leader in only his third season.
this is quite amazing...for either flacco or raven's previous QBs |
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S***d
发帖数: 1802 | 47 Giants' defense had knocked out 5 QBs in 7 games so far.
Who is next, huh? |
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H****t
发帖数: 2542 | 48 Matt Moore
Jay Cutler
Todd Collins
Shaun Hill
Tony Romo
Holy Fantasy God can't stand this, and put Giants on bye next week.
After that, these QBs could be knocked onto the list:
Hasselbeck
Vick
Kitna (uh-oh)
Garrard
McNabb
Favre
Rodgers |
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l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 49 Alex Smit and David Carr are both #1 pick in the draft.
And they are going to start Troy Smith a 5th round pick. |
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o*******6
发帖数: 6113 | 50 49人的QB够悲剧，两个状元，一个害死人，都没成材。。。
不过以现在的成绩，明年Mallet, Locker, Luck随便选。希望搞来个好QB吧。 |
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