K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 1 高价收购了Prince Graphite Tour OS (POG的TW版本）。终于明白了什么叫
buttery feeling -- 击中甜点时震动为0，而且OS甜点巨大，elbow friendly
指数顶级。
至今偶试过的各种著名系列拍子中，只有两款有buttery feeling:
1) Prestige Mid
2) POG OS
此外，OS的拍子确实更适合volley, 容错性很高，力量也大。偶对着墙居然可以
打很多回合。。。 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 2 what is POG standing for? Prince Oversize Graphite?
it is a single racket or a group of rackets?
is the famous Precision 770 a POG? thanks! |
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t*******e
发帖数: 53 | 3 If you have one to spare, I would like to buy ... prefer 8/10 or above
condition...and prefer local transaction ( i am in bay area peninsula area )
..If you like to trade for a smaller head size..i have a POG Mid to trade too... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 4
agree, i am using POG too, how much did u spend? where did u get it? |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 5 偶用不了这么多只。One of my favorite rackets.
两只Prince Graphite Tour(TW现在卖的版本），oversize 107, 4 1/2 grip,
unstrung, no cover.
6.5-7.0/10 condition. New bumper guard. New original leather grip
(always used overgrip). Above average scratches. No cracks.
6.5/10 one $45 shipped. 7.0/10 one $50 shipped. Together $88 shipped.
一只Prince Graphite Michael Chang Longbody (28"), oversize 107,
4 5/8 grip. Strung with Prince syn gut 17g. 8.0/10 condition.
One or two paint chips. Grip in good condition. Has a few broken... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 6 is Graphite Pro XB MP also a POG? |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 7 Prince Original Graphite.
Precision is not POG. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 8 不是PS85，也不是Max 200G, 也不是PC600.
是什么涅？
POG Oversize.
看一下都有哪些人用过：
Andre Agassi
Gabriela Sabatini
Vincent Spadea (current pro，不过也该退休了)
Andy Roddick
Micheal Chang
Elena Dementieva
P. Rafter
Paul Annacone
Monica Seles
（以下省略无数不太知名pro）
这些仅仅是POG OS users, 没有算上POG mid或者POG MP LB.
这也是为什么POG是唯一一款还在生产的经典拍子，只有这样的历史才能
卖得动。目前POG的市面价格比PS85低很多，所以给人不是神拍的假象。
但是这其实是Prince一直在生产的结果。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 9 No, mine was not POG. Mine market value is only about $10 each.
The Prince line at the POG era (from most expensive to least
expensive, and most stiff to least stiff)
Boron Graphite
Graphite (POG)
Magnesium Pro
Graphite Composite/Pro (forrest2000 had this one)
Precision Graphite
Pro (aluminum)
Woodie (wood/graphite)
Classic (aluminum)
Only the POG survived the history. |
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m****s
发帖数: 8992 | 10 in Trump states, lots of dems and unregistered(together we call them the "
pissed off group", or POG) vote for Trump.
in Cruz states, only gops are voting for gops. the POG cannot vote for GOP.
so they cannot vote for trump (That's why Cruz wins). They vote for sanders.
because POG is pissed off at (Jeb, Ted, Kasick, ....zeroBama,..all the way
down to Clinton) |
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a*m
发帖数: 6253 | 11 Both are very comfortable to use( POG 93/N61 95) with SHBH. XMO is a DHBH
like micheal chang tho. i think he really likes it, coz he got N95 before,
and switched back to POG.
POG got perfect control, and easier for your arm when swinging, but the
swing weight is not heavy enough to give you solid contact comparing with
N61. I guess that is the feeling of xmo for saying not aggressive enough.
Longbody is a bad design, it brokes the balance, and give me a feeling of "
stuck/pulse" when you make |
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x*o
发帖数: 1037 | 12 I actually own a POG EXO3 100 currently.
It maintains the POG feel with improved feel, especially at net. It is much
more stable than POG OS at net (I did control experiments on them, hehe).
I need to play more with it to make more legit comment :)
Thanks though!
but |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 13 Ok, found the specifics:
It's Prince Magnesium Pro 110. 12.1 oz. Claimed 110 head size, actually
about 103. Head light (not sure how many points). Grip size 4 1/2.
It was made in the same era as the POG, but one level cheaper.
Wood
Aluminum
Magnesium
Graphite
Boron
It feels almost as elbow friendly as the POG. However, the frame tends
to deform over the years, since Magnesium is not as strong as graphite.
Other than that, it should feel quite like the POG.
So for $2 I got:
1) One Prince Magnesiu |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 14 When graphite rackets first came out in around 1980, it was in
110 sq.in, like the POG 110 that Chang used. It's the same 12.5
oz or so as the 90 sq.in version. Therefore I don't think head
size was an issue.
Stiffness, though, is the issue. New rackets have other stuffs
added in to increase the stiffness. 30 years ago the manufacturers
thought people cannot handle too high stiffness and didn't do so
until POG became a superstar. (POG was the most stiff racket at
that time and Prince didn't expe |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 15 应dupont要求，下面是卖得出手的list. 价格不含shipping.
disclaimer:
1) 大部分价格高于进价，原因是这些是挑选过的卖得出手的拍子，也就是
说偶耗费了很多冤枉钱屯了一堆有各种问题的老拍子，本着对买家负责
的原则偶是不会卖那些拍子的。
2) 照片是网上找的。实物照片available upon request.
1. Slazenger Demon, 4 1/2 grip
The most beautiful wood racket in my collection. Condition 8.5/10.
Normal wear in the head. Everything else is pretty new.
No cover. $10. See below for pictures.
2. Pro Kennex Composite Destiny, 4 5/8 grip
Pro Kennex 1988-1990的顶级player拍子系列。
Babolat APD的前身。（Pro Kennex后来把专利卖给了Babolat。）
Condition 7/1... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 16 今天带了两把拍子，POG OS 107 + syn gut, Sting Mid 85 + poly. 好家伙，差别
太显著了。
POG OS力量比较大，但是也不至于太大，各方面感觉很省力，很舒服。
Mid 85基本只能当pusher用。由于上的是poly, 低速弹性特好，随便用一个怪异动作
球就过网了；高速下又弹性特差，所以很难出界。于是就很自然的起到了左右折返跑
的锻炼作用。舒适感上远不如POG。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 17 I believe there is no difference between stiffness and material.
When 80% graphite is mixed with 20% kevlar, it feels the same,
no matter manufactured in 1983 or 2002.
One example would be POG. People have commented that the POG currently
sold on TW feels identical to the 4-stripe POG back in late 1980's.
Once Prince gives the OEM the specifications, it is very easy to
replicate exactly the same specifications (in all aspects). The technology
is not difficult and the cost is not high at all.
The... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 偶自己mid太多了，而且不怎么适应POG mid的string pattern. 有个类似的
拍子基本上打了1个月才能稍微控制点UE.
相反，POG OS基本上是OS中独树一帜的，轻易成为偶的OS首选。同时它比
mid舒适。所以偶听你说POG mid已经是你用过的最舒服的拍子了，就觉得
你是个被PSC摧残不轻的苦命孩子。。。 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 19 POG OS is a good racket, i used a Head midsize as a starter, but
after 3.0 level, i switched to POG OS, mainly due to it is better
for my SHBH, but serve is a little worse than that head midsize,
i hope to reach 4.0 or 4.5 using POG OS... |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 20 有些人等着看器材章，那偶就把它提到第二章吧。
1. 拍子
偶是WS器材派，也就是说WS必须是第一准则。偶决不会为了赢比赛而新
绷线，因为太贵，所以能做的只有从现有的条件下寻求变化。
本赛季偶总共用过5把拍子。面积从大到小排序：
Prince Graphite Tour OS (107), poly at 60 lbs
Prince O3 Tour MP 16x18 (100), customized, poly at 53 lbs
Head LM Radical MP (95), customized, syn gut at 58 lbs
Head Ti.Classic (95), syn gut at unknown tension
Wilson Sting 2 Mid (85), poly at 55 lbs
偶的削球吃球比较浅，所以历来对宽框边不是很适应。这5把比赛拍都是
不大于21.5mm的。这5把拍子面积、力量各异，但是每一把拍子偶都打过
10个小时以上，基本上捡起来就可以适应。所有的拍子偶都调整到了5 pt
HL以上，11.8 oz以上，所以相对切换起来不会有那么大的差异。... 阅读全帖 |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 21 How come your POG OS is 12.8 oz? That's not good for you as 器材派. For any
racquet that I own, if I string it, put overgrip and a rubber band, the
additional weight added will be around 0.6 oz. All POG OS and POG Mid that I
previously owned are between 12.1-12.3 oz.
IMO, it's not difficult to swing a head light 12 oz racquet, because it's
swing weight sometime is even smaller than those head heavy 10-11 oz racquet. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 Because I weighed it at the post office. I weigh almost all my rackets and
measure the balance points too.
The string also makes a different. Poly is heavier than syn gut. For that
POG OS, I happened to use 16g poly, and it's oversize BTW, so close to
38-39 feet.
I have also measured the swing weight of POG OS with some of my other
rackets and posted the numbers on board before. POG OS has the heaviest
SW. When I play, I feel difficulty serving and hitting backhand -- just
too slow.
any
I
racqu... 阅读全帖 |
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d**********8
发帖数: 326 | 23 序，
***吵架虽然有趣，但有害健康***
引诸位回到往日美好的回忆，远离网版现时的江湖纷争。
宁静致远......
仅以此贴献给所有过去的，现在的器材派小伙伴儿们。纪念我们一起走过的那段激情燃
烧的岁月，对网球（拍）的热爱与执著......
断断续续打了快15年网球，用过很多球拍，按时间先后排序：
1. Bonny oversize head heavy racket （~300RMB),第一个，也是最后一个 head
heavy 球拍，陪我度过了开始的学球阶段。跟ex gf 一起时留在她那了，甜蜜的回忆..
....
2. Head Intelligence i.Radical MidPlus,
以上两个球拍陪我经历了2003年北京的非典，不上课，限制出学校，每天尽兴玩，打断
线出去穿线，公车上只有我和另外一个人。此期间，不让出校时还借过学校的强力球拍
，也打的很高兴。^_^
Head Intelligence i.Radical MidPlus 后来同我一起来到美国，度过了初来的兴奋、
寂寞期......
3. Prince Original Graphite (POG) Ove... 阅读全帖 |
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x*o
发帖数: 1037 | 24 上周买的木头牌子周三就到了，直到今天才有机会出去练练
挑了快手柄比较顺手的leather grip就出去了。
木头拍子嘛，拍子沉，拍面小。
上来先发了20个球，感觉出奇的好。拍子沉，反倒整个service motion更顺畅了，发出
来的一发倒也不太慢（我本来发球球速就不快倒是）。成功率比我用POG OS感觉还要好
些。
二发成功率和质量大跌，拍面小，拍弦松，spin不起来，作罢。
正手，很难spin, 于是加强平击，除了减震不行（拍弦顶部和底部都用铁丝做减震器）
，别的感觉倒也还不错。
反手，framing无数... ...
总结：用木头拍子来检验自己hand-eye coordination的能力不错。比如用POG OS打双反
我没啥大问题，但是用木头拍子双反简直惨不忍睹... ... |
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f*********0
发帖数: 886 | 25 买些老拍子，80年代的，纯碳拍，对手腕都很友好。
比如wilson prostaff, prince pog, dunlop blackmax, head prestige pro.
PRINCE POG 现在在TW上还有卖的。重量333克可能对女生来说重了些。
如果买不到老拍子， 就买stiffness 低些的，其实你用的镏金L4 对手腕挺友好的。 |
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 26 Not at all. I tried a bunch of racquets recently, all
are head light (or even for team). I hate a few :P
But of course not with power rough. Some of them I
can serve better, but some really suck for me. Team
is the best one with syn gut, even better than POG OS.
I just restrung my LD's POG, so the string tension
is perfect today :P It did feel better than before.
By the way, I tried k88 as well. It likes my n90, but
slightly heavier. I can not gain much head speed than
team :(
power |
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x*o
发帖数: 1037 | 27 You can try my POG mid if you wanna put a string on. I haven't used them for
ages, hehe.
I think POG mid will give you better backhand feel.
Anyways, I still highly recommend Head Prestige for you and InsideOut. I thi
nk you will like that racquet. |
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d****r
发帖数: 1499 | 28 Prince 的POG还是很经典的，用着比较舒服，而且觉得不容易受伤。还有一把200G感觉
比较就重一些，不够灵巧，Wilson的K90,T90都有机会demo过，感觉好像比我一直用的
POG mid还好一些，更稳。 |
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f*******r
发帖数: 257 | 29 This prince nxg looks very much like POG. Do you have a comparison between
the two? I am using a POG and very much like it... I was thinking of
getting a prestige mid. Why do you give up that one?
Thanks. |
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h*****c
发帖数: 569 | 30 nxg 和 pog的区别也不是很小， e.g. nxg的string pattern更密，拍头更小，重心离
拍头更远... 但我没用过pog，手感方面不好说。
我觉得prestige mid不大适合单反，它好像是7pt head light，
个人感觉不大容易在比较仓促的情况下generate enough head speed。
（但用pretige mid的时候正手感觉非常solid。）
另外，用它打得时间长了手臂还挺累的，不适合多数大龄并且不事力量训练的player，
呵呵
另一个感觉是 prestige的frame貌似相对比较硬。
between |
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f*********0
发帖数: 886 | 31 Try to campare with Wilson Prostaff, K90, or Prince POG. I guess you will
feel the difference.
Wilson Prostaff, K90, or Prince POG provide much more accuracy and excellent
touch when volleying.
At least in my case. |
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 32 haha, you should make another note for POG. Chang did not
use regular POG. |
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r*******n
发帖数: 664 | 33 POG是款好牌子。我的老印球友可是花了百刀以上才求到。本人觉得唯武器论不如好好
把自己form提高：我用门口老头walmart的烂牌PK老头手拿POG时照样不露怯。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 34 Prince Spectrum Comp 90. 产于1986（晚于POG）。
93 sq in.
11.6 oz strung
6 pt HL
stiffness: 63
string pattern: 14x18
Composition: fiberglass, kevlar, silicon carbide ceramic, graphite
和POG mid拍头形状几乎完全一样，但是没有cross bar. 据说同样非常elbow
friendly.
String看着像Prince Syn Gut, 全新，根据拍子上的sticker, 最后一次上线
是在1994年, 60 lbs. Grommet完好。Prince的grommet似乎质量都挺好。
My 2nd $2 racket. 如果偶打着不喜欢应该可以轻易$20以上卖掉。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 35 拿这个拍子比赛，第一盘大比分脆败，第二盘拼死push回了一局tiebreak。感觉根
Radical MP类似，力量太大，出界无数，暂时很难适应。不过打中甜点真是很好
听啊，pongpong的，令对方以为偶拿了把神拍。
由于此拍据说根POG 93很类似，所以偶估计POG的power level还是要比PS6.0高。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 36 Have you tried head light oversize rackets? I asked you before.
Probably not.
There are very few such sticks available now. I only know Head
Radical OS (in the 11oz range) and POG OS (in the 12oz range).
With similar HL specifications, OS rackets are obviously more
forgiving than MP/Mid rackets at the net.
Back in the 1980's, Prince had so many HL oversizes. All of them
felt great. I have the following:
POG (107): 12.2 oz, 5 pt HL.
Magnesium Pro (101): 12.1 oz, 8 pt HL.
Graphite Comp (102): 13.2... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 37 How old is this pic? It's POG, but the color looks so bright,
so it could be EXO3 POG. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 38 so after Pan Bing retired, he switched to POG from Dunlop...
POG is good for seniors... |
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d******x
发帖数: 11837 | 39 比pog还软吗？话说pog是我试过最不镇手的拍子了。好拍子，非常赞。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 40 POG mid is not 90, but 93.
Similarly, POG 110 is not 110, but 107.
The main difference to PSC is still the 14x18 string pattern, which means
higher power and higher spin. I tend to make a lot of UE using Prince
Mid 14x18 pattern.
The only Prince Mid with 16x20 pattern is Prince Diablo Mid. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 41 POG OS has higher historical status than POG Mid.
The OS is more widely used by pros in history. It also feels
better when hitting. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 43 这哥们可是自始至终用的POG OS.
Ferrero用POG mid也只是一会儿。现在早已用上O什么的了... |
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d******x
发帖数: 11837 | 44 老大，不要总鼓吹你的pog os了好不好？pog mid也一样啊。。。 |
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s****t
发帖数: 461 | 46 POG OS 买不到新的了吧，送旧的？ 哈哈
再说， 老领导估计也轮不动POG了。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 47 4-stripe POG is a good POG version.
It swings slightly lighter than the current version sold at TW.
Its static weight is heavier. |
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d*******n
发帖数: 2078 | 48 说的在理。POG 一上手就感觉好一点，主要我确实水平差。
还有一支dunlop 的87的拍子，这支拍子，需要POG帮我找到打的感觉后才能使用。
另外grahite的拍子好看阿，中间多一根梁。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 49 The difference is noticably smaller than when I compare the same string
on two different rackets.
Strings I compared: 16g super sturdy all-poly, vs 16g syn gut. Both on
POG Oversize.
Rackets I compared: POG Oversize, vs O3 Tour, both using that all-poly.
sensation |
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p*****n
发帖数: 294 | 50 这半年从POG,到PDR GT，到 radical lm os/pm 转了一圈，最后还是觉得还是POG最
solid. 不知道你是否会ended up用渔夫。 |
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