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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 2 这个坑挖得好，有讨论价值。
看过里程碑的录像，他的球路打法在2000分以上的是个另类，主要靠手感，落点
和节奏赢球。反手推挡是强项，正手的动作很严重的吊手腕，在业余中都很不正规。
但赢球是王道，只要他能防住对手并造成对手失误或失常就好。他靠这种赢球的，
确实主要靠大量的训练比赛，当然需要很专注投入的训练，天赋也要有一些。和
高手比赛训练对他这种防守型的当然也很有帮助。
正因为他的打法的另类，所以，他的经验之谈对这里大部分人适用性不大。
像他这种打法的，还见过一个（Ren Wang?)，2400分，原在加州，大概5年前
搬到了纽约的水牛城，也是直板，反手简直是堵墙，正手动作也很别扭，根本
没有什么power loop。跟他打过一次，感觉每局都有机会，但都功亏一篑，
打后还特不服气，觉得发挥不好，应该会赢。实际上，这就是他制服人的手段，
让你看上去打的是上风球，却应失误过多而最后俯首称臣。
不过，Ren到了东部后，参赛的次数和练球的机会和有高手参与的环境和加州差
很多，水平每况愈下，现在大概是不是已跌到了2200。
业余练球的，平时在训练中能正儿八经地以中等质量对拉对攻上10几板的，反映
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j******w
发帖数: 4429 | 3 里程碑的独门暗器其实是他的推挡的变化 这个绝对是
高级战术 挡两下突然减力以下，所以录像里很多人拉空了
其他什么反手block都不是特别可怕的，因为他没有发力变化的
话 对手只要往后一退 压住反手 最多５ ６ 个回合 里程碑就
歇了 会发力变化 很符合２０００ 他的其他打法
再往上就很难了 什么运动都是进攻主动 先进
能两面拉的肯定比左推右攻的先进
弯曲的朋友只要判断里程碑的变化 适时进退 基本上也２０００
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h****a
发帖数: 5058 | 4 还有mikey81那边的Barry。。。
每次跟他打，都打得很接近，都觉得自己有赢的机会。。。
不是没赢过，赢过2次。。。
输了不下8，9次了。。。。。
纯防守，防弧跟反胶倒着打。。。
他这种的，也有缺点，有时候莫名奇妙就输给超低分的人，
但是碰到2100的，也不含糊。。。
偶尔还爆个冷。。。
所以这哥们分数跟过山车一样，
一会2000分，一会1700，
今年去了趟cary，一下又长200分，都过2000了。。。。。
不知道麦克对他的战绩如何？？？ |
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发帖数: 698 | 5 Ren, Yong. He is #1 of PA RR. His rating is still 2399. He can blocked lots
of power shots from 2200-2300 player. I heard that Juncky took lessons from
him. He is really super blocker. |
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W**T
发帖数: 18996 | 7 他最丢脸就是一个日本妞打疯了, 居然一次华体会把他给砍了.
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 8 the very first time i played Yong was in a Chinese tournament, singles,
back to 1996, he entered BEGINNER's category, still 21 points, i lost
him in semi-, and won bronze match, that was my first ever medal in
California.
A few years later, he had been top player in PA TTClub for a long time,
beat Voltair all the time, but was in 2200 level for 10 years.
I heard he had 5-6 year professional training when he was a junior at
Chengdu.
His style is just like Gao Jun's, he can smash forehand very har... 阅读全帖 |
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j*****n
发帖数: 3052 | 9 上次ICC Open，有一个戴眼镜的中年人，好像在进前8的时候输给Lily，每局都是9：11
或者Duece后输的，那是谁啊？ |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 11
disagree, it is a lot easier for penholder to add side spin when
he loops, Ma Lin/Wang Hao/Nyu Cheng min all have powerful forehand
than Boll/Long/Jike
i am talking about forehand, 'cause for men, it is eventually forehand
who can kill! |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 12 it is more tiring for sure, doesn't mean it is less powerful.
look at the men's Olympics single champion, 4 out of 6 are penholders. |
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 13 ZHENG Jiaqi的对手身材高挑苗条的LIU Nai Hui倒是一个真正的乒乓美女。
刘来历如何，是新加入美国的海外乒团吗？
刘美女不拘言笑，但冷静典雅。更令人惊叹的是打法居然是直拍两面攻的始祖庄则栋
老先生的女传人。难得一见。
张的正手太弱，到最后刘就一个劲发反手长球到张的正手，只要张拉起，就被刘反手打
死。
张一直到死都无法破解。
刘的反手发球可以用球拍两面发，很有特色。
smooth to serve but swith to short pimp quickly after serving
with short pimps; using both short pimps and smooth to serve at left side;
At left side, she serves using both FH and BH; Serving at leftside with a BH
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 15 ttlover lost to James N. Little Tian, and myself.. he is a 1600 level
player,
i can immediately tell he had some training when he was young.
His strength is as strong as his weakness, as a single sided penholder
looper,
he is very good at underspin loop.
His weakness is against strong topspin, his stamina and foowork.
Hope he can join a local club and play seriously for a few years, he has a
chance to reach 1800. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 16 as a classical Chinese penholder, (BTW, high toss serves and LPs were both
invented by follow Chinese, instead looping was invented by Japanese)
one needs to develop a sets of skills, ( so called Tao Lu) try
different sets for each point, until one gets a few TaoLu which opponents
have trouble with... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 17 thanks for your feedback.
i was away from playing TT over 1.5 years, just got back recently
to the game ( a few times/week)
i reached over 1900 in 04 US Open as a single (smooth) sided penholder.
last time, played with an old friend Billy Fu, he told me i changed
my playing style from a 1700 aggressive smasher to a constantly
changing pace/speed/spin in the past 10 years.
My game depends on spin variations more than speed.
more on replacement than power.
If i really like to play a powerful game,... 阅读全帖 |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 18 another Hunan ren from LA, a penholder tournament player... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 19 the reason i added LP on my backhand was not due to 步伐和体力.. it is just
one
process for me to really PLAY and enjoy the sports.
I found out i had no way to switch to shakehand or penhold RPB, so why leave
the backhand empty? at least i can return serves better using pips on
backhand. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 20 congrat.s!
i just lost the HK penholder you saw last time in our
club, i led 2:1, had a slow start in 5th game again, 1:5 to change
side.
I caught up to 10:10, save 3 matches points, had one at 12:11,
still lost 12:14.
Who can give me a Baozi to comfort me lah? |
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l********h
发帖数: 130 | 21 Used and in good Condtions. DHS's new product line, very fast. Good for
middle to far distance attacK and backhand loop (Zhi Pai Hen Da).
Total played time is about 25 hours. Small ding at the paddle edge and some
rips on the T05 rubber edge but won't influence playablility at all. Retail
new price would be more than $150 for the combo. Asking for $60 only for SF
bay area (San Jose) pick-up or $60 plus postage for out-of -town purchase.
You are welcome to swing by and test it before you buy. Pl... 阅读全帖 |
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l********h
发帖数: 130 | 22 Price reduced for quick sale. It is a very powerful paddle if you like to
play offence a lot.
some
Retail
SF
You can buy the paddle only for $19. |
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k******r
发帖数: 2243 | 23 有空给俺订一个Yasaka Ma Lin Soft Carbon Penhold (注明80g左右）和1张Renanos
Bright Soft (red, 2.1mm)。俺现在的那个手柄和拍体相连的地方裂掉了。
BTW，还是以前的老价格吗？ |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 24 A lot of resources are for shake-hand. For penholders, the resources are
fewer. |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 25 this is true, as i said before, if u don't have RPL(reverse penholder loop),
add
something to your backhand, even though ur PRL is not bad in pratcice, u
never
use it in real close competition
I played against B. C. with that medium long pips, it is very hard to handle,
guess he just borrowed from u? never saw him use it again after that. |
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j*******d
发帖数: 8834 | 27 david zhuang
比小刘还是高两个档次 |
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j*******d
发帖数: 8834 | 29 NY那边？ 2750左右，现在也应该还有2650-2700左右
搞笑的是，俺有个朋友读PHD时他正好住附近还是怎么地，那时候（很多年前）找不到
人练球，他居然有时候找我朋友练，我朋友才1700 。。。。。。。。。。
问题是我朋友那时候居然不觉得他有多牛X，就觉得比自己强点。@#（@&×￥×@#×#@
×&#@×#×
直到后来N年后在USATT杂志上看到他才知道自己那时候中大奖了。 |
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j*******d
发帖数: 8834 | 32 这就难说了，一是那时候我不认识他，二是他那时候也不打比赛，也不知道自己多少分
。。。。。我说的1700是我认识他的时候 |
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j*******d
发帖数: 8834 | 33 并不是每个人都有把人往回练的天分。。。。。。。 |
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Q**J
发帖数: 23283 | 34 哈哈， 那可能那个时候他更差。。。。
可怜啊， 现在哪里还有这样没有发掘出来的珍珠木。。。 |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 35 看过一个直板双反球手 James Qiao (乔云鹏？）(2600+) 的比赛视频，反面使用率还
算可以，不过还不是用来防守或相持。
还有个NY的日式直板球手，好象是从韩国移民过来的，叫Lee Sang Mook的，2500＋，
正手比较暴，步伐也算可以。 |
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 36 专业中的直拍高手在中国都极少，更何况在美国。
在欧洲最好的直拍高手也就是王建军吧，还是现役的国手呢。
直拍单面拉的最高水平也就只能达到韩国的柳承敏和金泽珠吧。鉴于横拍在近台弧圈
和小球的进步以及远台弧圈的继续加强，柳和金放到现在成绩会大不如前。
说道王建军，他的打法非常潇洒漂亮，横打应用也很有效，只是球路没有马琳王皓那么
全面刁钻成熟。
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 42 the best part of 王建军's game is his footwork, considering his height, he
is
faster than korean players... |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 43 杨世纲 used pips-out, right ?
He is not active at all (meaning, playing games instead of coaching the
students).
I did not see these guys (ZHuang, Yang, etc.) in US open 2011 or LA open
2011. |
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v***v
发帖数: 5504 | 45 看你人没那么老啊:-) 不过是该换了，给你选了一款最新的，不是shakehand,也不是
penhold，是hand_in的，打飞猪就像打他耳光，正手一耳光，反手再一个，估计很过瘾
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 46 same here, just one club for 4 years, lose a few matches a week,
i don't see i can improve at all, but i do see i could enjoy tt
more since i have margin to really "PLAY"
i sometimes become a penholder chopper, sometimes become a fulltime
lp player, sometimes become a lobber, sometimes become a single
sided looper...... |
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 47 talking about LA players: there is a Chinese penhold whom i played in 07
USOPen, i beat him easily 3:0, his coach, a beautiful Chinese young
lady was not happy since her student could not return my serves
even though we were both 1900s players at that time.
i was surprised to see her angry face, felt sorry for my opponent
since she was screaming to him between games.
several months later, he broke 2000 in LA. |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 48 Good article !
没求胜欲 is 心累了.
In the games, you are 没求胜欲 so that you lost the games, but after the
games sometime later, you regret to lose the games.
In the games, you need to think whether you will regret losing or not in the
future. If you believe that you do not regret it. Then just play for fun
and never regret it if lost.
If you believe that you will regret it, then you should not give up and
fight.
Sometime it is that we have no courage to fight hard at some moment or feel
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 49 Penholder can also RPB 拨 or forehand 拨.
It appears to me that 拨 is good for no-spin or a little-spin, it seems to
very spinning top spin is difficult to 拨, ???? |
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U*******1
发帖数: 1565 | 50 Oh, You are just like Wang Hao. That is the reason that your 横打稳定性好.
You have the most potenital among penholders since you do not know推挡, just
like Wang Hao. Do not learn 推挡.
Good point. You are right, if there is no 侧旋, 横打稳定性好.
It is very difficult for me to forget 推挡. When the ball is not very fast,
I sometime can use 横打. If it is very fast, I will automatically use 推挡
without going through my mind/control. |
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