s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 1 坦率地说，我觉得AT和JJ真的很难在对手得range里
flop 3-bet得range基本上就是非常强得牌+强draw牌，如果他是AT,JJ，他平call你的
raise得可能性很大。
为什么他AT，JJ应该平call你的raise呢？（假设你的flop raise有semibluff和纯
bluff）
因为AT,JJ这里repop allin没有任何意义，只打跑了比AT,JJ小的bluff，你肯定不会用
bluff的牌来call吧，而你call他repop的range只有强draw牌和比他AT,JJ强很多的牌。
因此这里他拿AT，JJ repop的概率非常非常小。
再看他的range，因为他会repop KsJs，所以他应该会repop很多强draw牌，强draw牌
落后你不会很多，因为你这里不是AA，强draw牌可能还多了一些out。这里
即使他没有AA，KK，他也可能有2pair和set的组合，这样的牌是领先你非常多的。
总结一下，用overpair call这样的flop 3bet，基本上就是你和他做一个flip或者
你大大落后。数字分析我也给你写上了，打牌的时候是来不及算，... 阅读全帖 |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 2 thanks a lot for the input.
I guess there are merit for both shoving and smooth calling. But one
thing is sure. we are not folding on the turn no matter what turn card comes
out. We have a set and there are already so much money in compared to our
stack. The smooth calling is to trap not for pot control. My image was
very loose for that game, I think shoving there can creditably rep a draw and
she may call with an overpair with such good pot odds. For thinking
villian, the smooth... 阅读全帖 |
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M********g
发帖数: 717 | 3 Since you said she overplayed her cards a bit, her probable overpair would
be scared by your possible 2 pair, which is quite in your loose range.
Shove is easier. Call needs more 4th and 5th street manipulation to extract
value if the board is scary.
But in turn less than 1/4 of the card is so scary, less than 1/2 is not
blank. You can put her in at the turn high percentage of the time.
comes
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c******q
发帖数: 456 | 4 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讲一把牌 Here is my guess,
First of all, nobody has a full house
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BB: a overpair (like QQ/KK). AA is less likely.
EP: made flush
MP: had one 9
MP+1: had one 9 as well
BTN: a middle pair (77/88) |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 5 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 讲一把牌 my bad MM LAO SHI, I meant BB had overpair, most likely AA, and MP+1 won the
pot with fullhouse, most likely to me, he had 93, if i were him, i will bet
tiny to collect some more value with position.
the button could have a9(90%) or 33(10%), if he did have a9, then MP+1 could
have 33. It does not matter anyways.
Or most of them are really bad donk/C-stations, then anything could happen,
hehe |
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p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6 np,bro, just my 2 cents
On the flop, leading or check/raising are both fine to me. I slightly
prefer leading half pot there if you have been playing aggro. check/raising
seems too strong to thinking player since you would not normally play
overpair this way. On the turn, against the reg with nit image and hero's
aggro image, I prefer check/raised all in or open shove to get max value.
Slightly prefer open shove.
the pot is already big and he would very likely pay you off with a ... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******s
发帖数: 1175 | 7 good analysis, thanks a lot. I ended up calling his 300 and lost to his 77.
The reason I led out 150 on turn was I was worried about the 77 or other
over pairs and wanted to test out. His image is NIT so I did not put him on
97s/98s or flush draw. When I bet 150 on turn, my plan was if he came on top
I muck。If he has an overpair, he most likely will lay it down and i am
willing to take a call for a two-outter. but when he bets 300 on the river,
I kinda knew i was behind and I still called to be ... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 8 Agree, once he called the flop, it was pot-commit for him.
The only hand that in his range which explains his action and you can also
push him off his hand is 75 (Open ended str draw and he hit 5 on the river).
Any other hand, he will call you river bet, either he has an overpair or top
pair, especially you check the turn.
The best play on the flop? How about just fold and don't make move. It may
look cool if you take down the pot and show them the T2o. But if your goal
of playing poker is to ma... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 9 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 炒股和打牌 最近闲的无聊，去股版潜水比较多。不是去找小道消息，纯粹是冲着股版的娱乐价值去
的。不能不说看看股票的众牛鬼蛇神赢钱时沾沾自喜 BSO，输钱后鬼哭狼嚎的样子，还
是能给单调的生活带来不少乐趣的。
一些随想：
和任何与钱有关系的游戏一样，人们倾向于 BSO 自己的盈利，在输钱的时候大多数选
择木鸡。股市涨的时候活跃的那些 ID，大牛们，在大盘回调时大多都销声匿迹。很多
还能喊亏废了的，其实大多数并没有亏很多，或者是小账户。
炒股和打牌其实是互通的，就我个人来说，4 年的打牌经验给了我炒股很多启发，其中
“纪律”和“耐心”是最关键的两条。
炒股和打牌一样，任何一种 style 都能赢钱。但股版的青蛙和牌桌上的鱼的确有一些
很有趣的共性：
1. 动的太多: 青蛙们恨不得天天 trade，每分钟都 trade。觉得有 cash position 就
是和自己过不去，每天不给券商 commission 就对不起自己开的股票账户，今天还看到
一位在问人家：自己每月“只” trade 8－15 次，是不是开美林的账户用免费的
trade 比较好，而他的本金不过 7000 快。我边看边想“天哪，还每月只... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 10 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 炒股和打牌 最近闲的无聊，去股版潜水比较多。不是去找小道消息，纯粹是冲着股版的娱乐价值去
的。不能不说看看股票的众牛鬼蛇神赢钱时沾沾自喜 BSO，输钱后鬼哭狼嚎的样子，还
是能给单调的生活带来不少乐趣的。
一些随想：
和任何与钱有关系的游戏一样，人们倾向于 BSO 自己的盈利，在输钱的时候大多数选
择木鸡。股市涨的时候活跃的那些 ID，大牛们，在大盘回调时大多都销声匿迹。很多
还能喊亏废了的，其实大多数并没有亏很多，或者是小账户。
炒股和打牌其实是互通的，就我个人来说，4 年的打牌经验给了我炒股很多启发，其中
“纪律”和“耐心”是最关键的两条。
炒股和打牌一样，任何一种 style 都能赢钱。但股版的青蛙和牌桌上的鱼的确有一些
很有趣的共性：
1. 动的太多: 青蛙们恨不得天天 trade，每分钟都 trade。觉得有 cash position 就
是和自己过不去，每天不给券商 commission 就对不起自己开的股票账户，今天还看到
一位在问人家：自己每月“只” trade 8－15 次，是不是开美林的账户用免费的
trade 比较好，而他的本金不过 7000 快。我边看边想“天哪，还每月只... 阅读全帖 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 11 my guess, co jj/99, OR overplay overpair
btn, bottom set+ OR straight flush draw on the flop
mp could be tptk or nut flush draw or flush draw with a pair, basically mp
is 打酱油 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 12 Don't see that happening in NL 1/2 game. Those plays are just too fancy for
live small stake players, even for those regulars to make. They don't have
that kind of read and they usually don't have the guts to make big stone
cold bluff.
Especially those tight old farts. It will be a terrible play on NL 1/2 table
anyway. Do you think most of NL 1/2 fish are capable to laydown JJs on
44478 board?
I will think the old guy have a hand. How strong is the hand depends on that
players caliber.
77, 88, ... 阅读全帖 |
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T********n
发帖数: 528 | 13 响应老大东部版聚之邀，LP和我礼拜四早早的从San Diego飞到费城。
虽然遗憾的没见到老大，可是和众东部版友们见面，打牌，吃饭，交流，真的感觉此行
不虚。帮主（熊熊）门下盛名之下无虚士。大家都是对打牌有一定的理解，热情，控制
。希望下次再见到更多新旧朋友。
在此报告一下这次我俩的Trip Report，希望可以让更多人愿意参加下一次的小或大版
聚。 （Vegas gogogo!)
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礼拜四 11/22
从礼拜二就已经进入度假模式了。去Commerce住一晚。ran bad。把上个礼拜赢的全部
输掉了。555.因为chase loss所以礼拜三很晚才回到家。睡2-3个小时。急急忙忙的整
理行李。LP说又不是去相亲。快快快,有带ID就好！
本来计划飞机上睡觉。可是最近迷上open face Chinese（2-3年前在东欧开始流行的一
种 Chinese Poker variant，大概上个月开始在LA热起来）。大部分可以用来睡的时间
用来教LP玩。看来我这个贪睡文该改成贪吃文或贪玩文才比较符合最近的第一优先。
到了费城到达旅馆发现Parx比想象中大啊。赶快去熟悉环境。去了Mai... 阅读全帖 |
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p******a
发帖数: 975 | 14 I think an important question is that what hands they limp-call preflop. Do
they only play small pocket pairs like this, or they play everything in this
way.
Hand one
Does he limp-call with AK? It is not very common for someone to play AK in
this way.
I would fold this hand, since his range is mainly set, straight draw, and
overpairs that beat you. Of course, if he has been doing that repeatedly and
you are sure he was on tilt, then shove is also an option.
Hand two
Does he raise flop with flush... 阅读全帖 |
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j*******g
发帖数: 331 | 15 我在chicago horseshoe有一手牌，跟你的情况差不多，这个完全没办法，这种很弱的
flop有人有个overpair就会打得很aggresive. 我当时是在bb limp in with 22, one
tight player and btn limped in as well. flop 7 5 2 rainbow. 我先bet 25，
tight player called, 这时候btn raise 75，我tank了半天fold了，tight player
went all in with around 120, btn called. 后面的turn跟river都没什么帮助，
tight player show jj，btn show A7。 我觉得bottom set early position 最好还是
check在行动。如果在late position，任何人有top pair大部分都会bet，这时候可以
在make a move, 像这种小概率的牌没办法再多想，跪了就跪了。
call
The |
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b***k
发帖数: 622 | 16 有没有一个有效的方法对付这种跟听牌的player？我曾经观察一些长期稳
定盈利的赢家，我发现他们时常bet 3-4倍的pot，刚开始我以为他们是bluff，但是后
来我回想起自己的这种经历，他们是不是知道玩1/2的喜欢chase，所以bet比较大来避
免这种情况，尤其是只有top pair或者overpair这种不是非常强的牌的时候。 |
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c*********6
发帖数: 103 | 17 live tournament, level 3, 75/150
我之前的player都fold了，我在MP made a call with 6s 6d
cutoff called, button raised to 550, I and cutoff called.
So the pot size is 1875
My stack is 3175, cutoff is around 6500, button is around 9000
button和cutoff属于风格稳健的选手。
flop: 3s 4s 7h
I checked, cutoff想了半分钟bet 600, button 想了也有一会儿just called
我当时分析他俩可能都是两张高牌，或者cutoff是高牌，button在看flush。因为
cutoff的bet像是试探性的，而button也只是call，如果他有overpair是不是至少也应
该mini-raise一下，毕竟是flush draw, straight draw的牌面吧？
然后我在这里shove了，第一我觉得他俩都是两张高牌，我可能是best... 阅读全帖 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 18 I think you guys all have a misconception of flop bet size .
Flop bet $100 or $70 doesn't mean anything. Low stake live poker have a
different bet size structure than online game. For example, online preflop
raise usually is 3-4bb, and yet in the live poker, you often see people
raise 5-7bb preflop, in a action table, sometimes ppl even 9bb-10bb preflop,
creating a pot which is very big already, even before the flop.
In OP's case, from online player's perspective, he only bet 1/3 of the flop,
se... 阅读全帖 |
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d******u
发帖数: 142 | 19 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请教一手牌 5/10 有效筹码3,000
limped to me in late position and I have 2 red Qs. Raise to 50 and get 4
callers. Flop SJ S6 D4. Continue bet 175. All folded to the guy in mid
position who raised to 475.
The guy is a solid player and able to make creative moves. I really don't
know how to handle this type of situation. Seems either I commit myself to a
big pot with overpair or fold right away. But if I always fold at this spot
, is it +EV over long run? How shall I mix the play with premium hands then? |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 20 哥turn上的约2分之一的2nd barrel，主要是想从draw的hands里再挤点value，并且
keep哥的牌的range，如果villain的牌力比哥强，但又够不上monster，哥就能够至少
争取到river免费showdown。
可实际情况是villain，再turn上c/r 3x。
哥陷入第一次长考，首先，对手不是完全不靠谱，且当时那个session的早些时候，有
过大的bluff。所以对哥来讲，他的这个c/r实际上可能有的落后于哥的牌是，straight
draw／flush draw／combo draw（straight＋flush＋some pair），领先于哥的牌是
，非常少量的set，非常少量的顺子，非常少量的overpair，6x，q4，34，少量的q3.哥
比了一下，两方差不多，且哥又有位置，且哥还有3到4张几乎是绝对的outer，另外一
个原因，tag image的哥还没有真正show出strength，彼此都是深筹的情况下，没有位
置的对手river应该比哥更难抉择。更重要的，哥为了不丢老中的脸，于是就平跟了。
如果river不是张6，哥也不会把这... 阅读全帖 |
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t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 21 靠一对9赢了一个550的pot， 3小时就赢了这一把像样的。
我utg，raise 7, 3 caller。 flop 237,two hearts， fish at mp donkey bet 20,
reg at sb raise to 50, bb called. i tanked and called. fish called. turn
diamond 5, reg checked and bb checked. i shoved 155 and was all in. fish
and reg folded. bb tanked for 5 mintes and called. river spade 2. bb
mucked.
mp是条鱼， 喜欢乱bet， sb经常靠raise来隔离鱼， bb中规中矩。 一般情况下我
overpair也不敢打这么狠，不过一是因为99是两天来最大牌，而是因为鱼和reg明显没
什么credit， 我唯一担心的是bb。 不过bb在turn示弱， 我就果断all in了。
最后输了一些回去，up 250 收工。 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 22 我现在打牌基本上像白开水，没什么上上下下的，打得比较稳，所以也没什么好讲的。
周末 Foxwoods 给了一个房间, 所以就去了玩了两天。头一天玩了几个小时 2/5，没什
么大 pot ，比较 standard, 用什么牌赢的都忘了，结果 up 600- 走人。
晚上吃完 buffet，想去 poker room 再玩会儿时间，赢钱了就怕把钱输回去，就打 1/
2 算了，1/2 的人水平比较次，波动也比较小，赢不了大钱也不会输大钱。
一路上碰到几个白妞，穿着曝露，一看就是去开 party。看到赌场里白妞去开 party
的时候大把，不过要么脸长的像猪，要么身材像猪。今天看到的几个倒是要身材有身材
，要脸蛋有脸蛋。旁边男的却都是老黑。哥咽下口水，f**k, 这辈子泡漂亮白妞就算了
，哥是只能拿好人卡，当好男人了。等哥下辈子投胎当风流男，要当瓜瓜，宗瑞，冠希
，要泡好多好多妞，白妞，亚妞，棕妞，好多好多好多好多。。。
题扯远了。下面是一些当晚的经历：
1. 桌上要么是 nit, 要么是极 loose。坐我左边白老头是 loose 中的 loose，我给他
搞了一把 call 我 $12 A... 阅读全帖 |
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m******1
发帖数: 715 | 23 With a deep stack (150BB or more), OR did not want to commit whole stack on
Tptk or overpair. If he had a shorter stack, it could be a different story
for his decision making. |
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m****9
发帖数: 492 | 24 高手高手，我的想法：
Preflop: Check shove with KK in SB的例子能看出Calling range比较强。看check
shove说明post-flop打的还是挺猛的，恐怕不愿意fold大牌，这种对手我觉得bet for
value比较合适。从这单个例子我倒是没看出passive，我看到的是slow play with
monster。
Flop上，这么wet的flop bet $40 out of $100可以是bet for information，也可以是
hold a monster and beg for a raise。Bet for information的可能比较大，如果是
set/straight按照他的风格应该是check-shove的路线。
Turn上的check确实看出passive了，并且show了weakness。Call $95 bet out of $180
也看得出他已经有打算用手上的牌call down了。Bet $95 to repre a flush is a
great move，学习了。
在已经show了weak... 阅读全帖 |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 25 I don't like your 4bet sizing pre. You are giving him too good a price to
set mining against you. Make 2-3BB more than a pot size raise would be good.
Once he called, you really want to see a rag flop and hate to see J,Q,or A
on the flop. Check min raising is typically very strong. He could possibly
be doing this with QQ and he would probably never stake off if you click
back. If you really don't believe him, you can call and hope he check the
turn.
I'm not saying b/f KK on this flop is good. I... 阅读全帖 |
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R******p
发帖数: 35 | 26 I still believe check min raising in ring game is usually very very strong.
I have heard this from a lot of training videos, and it has been proved by
my own experience. It's like limp reraise in live poker.
About the 4bet sizing, I think playing deep is a big concern here. Even we
are in position I still like a much larger size, because position is not
that important in a 4 bet pot.
1. I think if you 4 bet larger, you have a bigger chance to stake off QQ on
a J high flop, considering not many p... 阅读全帖 |
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p****0
发帖数: 611 | 27 呵呵，被D神看出来了。 哥的位子是BTN, hold 6c2c. UTG是个比较loose的young guy
, local city football team player. 一般会call his draw if it's cheap. 哥Flop
raise 是想把他吓唬走。 他的snap call然我觉得他是flush w/ pair or overpair.
所以Turn 我就直接shove 了。 后来他亮牌后我倒吸一口冷气。 这牌，再怎么也是
good EV call 啊？
看来有时我还是能得到别人的respection.
bluff |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 28 "Hero is pretty sure BTN didn't have straight, set, or two pair. Hero put
him on over pair. "
Villain never jam on turn with monster? Villain has narrow range even on BTN
? Villain overplay his overpair no matter who he against?
please explain |
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a**o
发帖数: 730 | 29 来自主题: TexasHoldem版 - 请教一手牌 thanks for the help. I think my biggest problem now is I do not know when/
how to quit. For example, if I had overpair and someone all in after I
raised, I did the hero call all the times and lost. Is there any tips on
this or any suggestion of book/video? thanks. |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 30 建议楼主带本小说书去打这样的tourney，30bb到100bb只玩QQ＋，AKo，pre flop 4到
5bb open／get in。对上donk玩家，flop2/3大cbet任何A和K的牌面或者是overpair on
low board，从turn开始straight forward，算好顶对以上牌力到river正好get in。
没牌的时候就看看书吧
20bb以下，可以开始直接推了，省事儿，自己心里定个方案，比如3bet shove的range
，你身后几个哥们儿会拿什么牌接你的在不同短筹情况下的open shove，和那个range
持平，或者保守点，再提两个level。
基本上无脑进钱圈啊 呵呵 就是无聊点
那这样看来的话，你aqs和88，那两手牌，怎么都是call shove。还是那句话，虽然说
，你可以fold然后等待更好的机会来double up，但是，你open的size太大，让你的
call的odds变得非常好了，这里如果fold，反而是亏了ev。
即使不幸遇上对手的top range（事实上，这个发生的％已经很小了），你仍然会有相
当大的％suckout。关... 阅读全帖 |
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c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 31 不是一个情况。那个文章里是说的TPTK headsup。这属于比较decent的牌弃了有点可惜
。而且headsup一被turn raise就扔TPTK以及overpair。这肯定是不行的。属于一个
leak。
这里第一手是一个多人锅+weak ace。遇到任何抵抗直接扔了。没啥可惜的。遇到抵抗
就扔weak ace不是leak。长期这样打没问题。 |
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a**o
发帖数: 730 | 32 我怎么觉得如果是$1-2 live, headsup一被turn raise就扔TPTK以及overpair是对的呢
？ live game, 这种情况基本都是2对以上。这个可能是leak,但是如果真被人抓了就走
人或者换桌好了，总比输光了筹码强。这样对吗？ |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 33 这里不是OVERPAIR,是FULL HOUSE。JJ在这里99%是NUTS，反正我无法想象能FOLD。。。
我也不会SHOVE，你拿着NUTS去SHOVE别人BLUFF干吗？ CHECK CALL ON TURN AND RIVER
IS THE BEST CHOICE. 或者RIVER LEAD OUT BET TINY也是个不错的选择。RIVER无论
出来A,K,OR Q，SNAP CALL HIS SHOVE,被SUCK OUT就
认了。
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j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 34 我可能会fold
sb overbet flop，估计是overpair或者set了，也有比较小的可能是straight
你call，后面还俩，估计没人会call，只会fold或者raise。你不会舒服。my 2 cents。
125 |
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T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 35 If in a HU situation, I am be more inclined to just shove.
Calling is probably the worst based on the odds I post above. Remember if I
hit my draw, it will be either a four card straight or flush on the board, I
might not get paid off depends on what quality of player SB is. If he hold
an overpair on the board, he simply can't continue if any of my draw hits,
and if he hold 2 pair or set, then it is not 100% I can win his whole stack
because the board is just too dangerous. |
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D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 36 Two common mistakes in holdem
try to fold out opponents overpair
try to fold your own bottom set |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 37 I would not try to make overpair fold without any read. If u wanna take down
the pot whatsoever, I guess the best line is check flop
, raise turn, shove river.
KK,
took
bet? |
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t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 38 effectively a pot size shove on river? will overpair fold?
down |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 39 Most villians I have seen won't fold overpair here.
KK,
took
bet? |
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n***a
发帖数: 274 | 40
仔细想了想这确实是个leak。原因是you can already play very profitably when
you know you have villain's overpair beat, so you don't have to bluff to
balance this line. 这个缺少乐其它大部分的bluff 哪怕被call也能起到balance
range作用的implied EV。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 41 100bb情况下，如果是3bet pot,碰到这种flop,不管是min raise还是raise很大，100%
不可能放的。如果是single raise pot, 除非你知道对手是nit, 否则也放不掉。
就这首牌来说，如果你觉得他可能是draw或者比你小的overpair,要么1. flop call
his raise, turn shove ALL-IN. 要么2. flop 3bet and call shove. 这时候慢打会
碰到action-kill card,损失很多value。当然他turn size的确很大，此时需要精确的
read。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 42 imo，3 handed,hero形象狂野，再加上对手aggressive，从统计上来讲100bb可以
commit overpair了。这里如果是我的话，我得问自己这个aggressive的对手，到底有
多aggressive了，从牌面/牌局上看的话，一般的abc的打法，这里我会在turn上跪（虽
然很不情愿）。所以，碰到这种情况，如果没有hud，我想我大概去poker rating网站
查下对手id吧，如果是大赢家或者大输家的话，call了turn我就会call river，一般玩
家，我就turn上跪了吧多半。 |
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q****8
发帖数: 3281 | 43 100bb情况下，如果是3bet pot,碰到这种flop,不管是min raise还是raise很大，100%
不可能放的。如果是single raise pot, 除非你知道对手是nit, 否则也放不掉。
就这首牌来说，如果你觉得他可能是draw或者比你小的overpair,要么1. flop call
his raise, turn shove ALL-IN. 要么2. flop 3bet and call shove. 这时候慢打会
碰到action-kill card,损失很多value。当然他turn size的确很大，此时需要精确的
read。 |
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d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 44 imo，3 handed,hero形象狂野，再加上对手aggressive，从统计上来讲100bb可以
commit overpair了。这里如果是我的话，我得问自己这个aggressive的对手，到底有
多aggressive了，从牌面/牌局上看的话，一般的abc的打法，这里我会在turn上跪（虽
然很不情愿）。所以，碰到这种情况，如果没有hud，我想我大概去poker rating网站
查下对手id吧，如果是大赢家或者大输家的话，call了turn我就会call river，一般玩
家，我就turn上跪了吧多半。 |
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j*******g
发帖数: 331 | 45 NL我遇到的cooler， bad beat太多了 Ahigh flash输给straight flush，set输给top2
， top2/set
被river runner runner straight
就这手牌top 2 vs Overpair 就这个人的打法 我还会这么打 这个人确实有点tilt 跟
nit是要换一换打法
你这也不叫set 只能算trips
full |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 46 打micro不能用你那种方法。
我在5dimes赢钱就靠ABC。打的fancy反而赢不了钱。
因为micro donk太多。在5dimes我开始怎么都打不赢。后来发觉bluff越多，输的越多
。老老实实等好牌，才一打一个准。
基本上水平越高，越容易fold，就可以打的越loose。
越向下，对手越不容易fold，就越要打的紧。
打micro我在button都不raise，基本上就是fold，fold。拿到overpair或两对以上直接
朝大打，那些鱼就像螃蟹一样咬着不松口。
现场那是因为每个州才几个赌场。比如康州就两赌场，整个州的赌徒，加上邻近没赌场
的州的人也过来。（NY的赌徒就占康州foxwood很大部分）。
兵源太多。而一个赌场的poker桌才几十台。 |
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s*****s
发帖数: 1130 | 47 If he is a decent player, limp call UTG with 74 is very unlikely. It looks
like either combo draw or slow played overpair |
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y*******3
发帖数: 26 | 48 对哈 他不可能是set 4和7 脑袋糊掉了
现在想想他应该是overpair
回想起来觉得打的确实有些问题 我的allin 比我差的牌都会fold
比我好的牌AA KK肯定会call QQ JJ call的概率应该也很大
不过问题来了 我这个button preflop raise flop 击中顶对顶踢脚 还有个Blackdoor
flush draw 他这么一raise我就fold那也的确是很难啊...
looks |
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w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 49 他是check raise.作check raise的牌一般是大于顶对。
特别是在live poker，拿check raise来做bluff的情况很少。
lz前面说了这个对手是L&G，所以他如果拿到overpair，就是JJ+，不太可能会在
preflop limp。即使limp也可能3bet lz。
combo draw有可能，但是按L&G的打法，combo draw更可能是做semi bluff而不是做
check raise。
所以最可能是拿47。 |
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s*****c
发帖数: 25 | 50 "但是看UTG的表情如果我没有击中set他应该是赢的"。你确定吗？大部分人打对了但结
果出来不好也会有失望或者不甘的表情。此处Strong drawing hand在flop也是领先于
你的。比如5c6c,LAG是完全可以在utg limp/call，然后flop也可以当成成手打（类似
的suited connector还有 34/78/89/JQ/QK）。另外当然还有slow play的overpair或者
set之类（在flop你无法排除set的可能）
。bottom two pair的可能其实反而比较少，因为limp call 74s 也太浪了一点。
这把牌关键在于你用一个TPTK在对方check raise情况下打了这么一个pot，你的几乎是
落后于对方的大部分range。刚开始pot75+，有位置bet 50感觉也可以，但人家
reraise150就基本应该秒fold了。。。（you are getting about 1 to 3，而且turn很
可能
会有一个更大的bet)。筹码深度不够最好fold(要是200bb+ call flop看看也可以)，
SPR一低人家肯定跟... 阅读全帖 |
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