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l******t
发帖数: 660
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来自主题: Programming版 - big data怎么搞定商业报表?
对于99%的传统非互联网公司来说, hadoop没有什么用, 哪有那么多的unstructure
data来处理, 上 mpp才是正道. hadoop现在基本上还是弯曲的internet 公司在用, 然
后就是一堆堆的start up用来骗funding.
c****e
发帖数: 1453
2
来自主题: Programming版 - Python就是爽
"mongodb的缺点很明显,就是要把所有的索引全部读入内存"
不能全部放入内存也可以。会swap out。如果是顺序处理,对性能影响不大。
"这两个在nosql领域把c++写的mongodb干得死去活来"
MongoDB没有比Cassandra先行,现在社区比Cassandra还活跃。NoSQL的发展正在和SQL
融合,原来视为原罪的transaction也在找回自己的位置,特别是in-memory越来越流行
了。 Cassandra攻下noSQL,Java原教旨主义都不敢这么说。 即使Hadoop, 对于大数据
处理,也是一个方面的工具。MPP和Mapreduce都有自己的位置。
z*******3
发帖数: 13709
3
来自主题: Programming版 - Python就是爽
大神果然还是一只下金蛋的母鸡
多说总能看到好东西哈哈
大神您要蛋定,蛋定了之后说话比较有水平,看起来也很high
我说的ui和多线程这个恰恰是我最近一直在琢磨滴
先说ui,ui的主要问题在于,如果你不思考内存的使用
上来就用一种很简单的方式去操作ui,几乎在一瞬间就会挂掉
一个简单的60fps的屏幕刷新,就会有严重的闪烁问题
所以让人不得不去考虑一些很低级的问题,就向您说的
opengl的编程比c还恶心
不过所幸的是,一般工作不需要我去处理ui的问题
我玩ui完全是个人兴趣所致,倒不是说靠这个混饭吃
所以大神您谈ui,我很爱听啊,哈哈
然后ui如果再结合上多线程,乖乖不得了,这个简直就是要人命的玩意
目前貌似没有完美的解决方案,都只能采用一种伪多线程
也就是保证刷新ui的主线程的效率,然后调低其它分支线程优先级的方式操作
大神对此您有什么更好的建议没有?
多线程是脚本语言的软肋,就像其它人说的mpp
你这个不上多线程你怎么办?像您之前说的绕开恐怕不是个好办法
您说对不对?
关于游戏下一个贴在说,这贴先登陆
c****e
发帖数: 1453
4
来自主题: Programming版 - Python就是爽
"mongodb的缺点很明显,就是要把所有的索引全部读入内存"
不能全部放入内存也可以。会swap out。如果是顺序处理,对性能影响不大。
"这两个在nosql领域把c++写的mongodb干得死去活来"
MongoDB没有比Cassandra先行,现在社区比Cassandra还活跃。NoSQL的发展正在和SQL
融合,原来视为原罪的transaction也在找回自己的位置,特别是in-memory越来越流行
了。 Cassandra攻下noSQL,Java原教旨主义都不敢这么说。 即使Hadoop, 对于大数据
处理,也是一个方面的工具。MPP和Mapreduce都有自己的位置。
z*******3
发帖数: 13709
5
来自主题: Programming版 - Python就是爽
大神果然还是一只下金蛋的母鸡
多说总能看到好东西哈哈
大神您要蛋定,蛋定了之后说话比较有水平,看起来也很high
我说的ui和多线程这个恰恰是我最近一直在琢磨滴
先说ui,ui的主要问题在于,如果你不思考内存的使用
上来就用一种很简单的方式去操作ui,几乎在一瞬间就会挂掉
一个简单的60fps的屏幕刷新,就会有严重的闪烁问题
所以让人不得不去考虑一些很低级的问题,就向您说的
opengl的编程比c还恶心
不过所幸的是,一般工作不需要我去处理ui的问题
我玩ui完全是个人兴趣所致,倒不是说靠这个混饭吃
所以大神您谈ui,我很爱听啊,哈哈
然后ui如果再结合上多线程,乖乖不得了,这个简直就是要人命的玩意
目前貌似没有完美的解决方案,都只能采用一种伪多线程
也就是保证刷新ui的主线程的效率,然后调低其它分支线程优先级的方式操作
大神对此您有什么更好的建议没有?
多线程是脚本语言的软肋,就像其它人说的mpp
你这个不上多线程你怎么办?像您之前说的绕开恐怕不是个好办法
您说对不对?
关于游戏下一个贴在说,这贴先登陆
z*******3
发帖数: 13709
6
来自主题: Programming版 - Delphi这个语言是不是已经死了?
我当时就问过了
那mpp呢?
这个问题你回避了
d********g
发帖数: 10550
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来自主题: Programming版 - Delphi这个语言是不是已经死了?
整重型的就是Java爱干的事?架构也要轻,根据需求,异步压queue开worker也行,上
mapreduce也行。我们用Python还没干过这事,举重若轻,不已折磨自己为乐。当然我
们也没有遇到很重型的运算任务,目前cloud的方案都不是MPP,Amazon不活得好好的
c****e
发帖数: 1453
8
来自主题: Programming版 - some thoughts after Cassandra Summit
That's because almost all use scenarios in Netflix don't care about
consistency that much. I bet they won't run the billing pipeline out of
RDBMS. Most likely, they still have to pay premium to Oracle to charge money
in a reliable way.
There are many aspects of big data. It just depends on your application. You
can even have MPP RDBMS.
z****e
发帖数: 54598
9
专业一点就是paradigm了
java就是最接近纯粹oop的impl语言
其他语言有各自的定位
比如haskell是fp之类的等等
那从一个人使用语言的角度出发
越纯粹的paradigm越好
paradigm如果混用,哪怕只有两个
都会造成非常可怕的后果
就是各自表述,互相之间会冲突
例子?
c++和scala都是如此
c++是procedural programming(pp)和oop还有其他p的混杂
c++自己说自己是oop,其实扯淡,无数的人写成了pp
scala则是oop和fp的混杂
fp本身的历史很不堪,就跟小菊花说的那样
fp在oop以前造成了灾难性的后果
所以才有了oop的推广,最初几次oop的尝试都取得了一定的进展并发展到现在
你今天学的四人帮的最常见的design pattern那本书
里面就用smalltalk, c++和java做例子
smalltalk就是oop最初的impl
所以
第一,多个paradigm混杂所带来的后果是灾难性的
其次,某些paradigm本身就很不堪
比如fp
所以oop至少可以说是目前为止,少数得到大多数人接受的paradigm
所以... 阅读全帖
z****e
发帖数: 54598
10
当然说要100%只用一个p,有一定难度
但是尽量保持纯净性
java是这么做的
首先java保证自己是一个oop
其次,通过增加一些相对高级的类库
来添加其他的p
比如aop,你不用aspectj或者spring或者app server的话
是没有办法用的,而你如果主动去download这些东西的话
你应该知道自己在做什么
再比如reflection,也就是mpp
那这个大多数时候,不是常见的功能
而且学习有一定难度,很多人甚至搞不懂为什么要reflection
更谈不上使用,所以通过这种方式有效地控制了低级程序员乱搞
而c++和scala则基本上不存在这种控制
c++如果涉及到一些底层编程的话,那还有另外一种p
那就是imperative programming(ip)就有点汇编那种感觉
总之到底是什么p,弄到最后你也不知道是什么p
p就好比是一只军队的战斗纪律,如果战斗纪律混乱的话
那就意味着战场上士兵会有收到多个命令
肯定会乱,士兵一乱,等着死吧
c****e
发帖数: 1453
11
Postgres also has better query support for json.
Most of the MPP databases are derived from Postgres, as you have pointed out
, greenplum is one of them.
f******2
发帖数: 2455
12
来自主题: Programming版 - 编程版目睹之怪现象。
狭隘了,这个是一些互联网cool kids的定义,传统computer scientis的说法mpp叫
scaleout,smp不算。
scaleout这种说法是最近computer science庸俗话的一种表现
建议郝老师看看这个录像,下次辩论就更听起来高大上了 http://blog.golang.org/concurrency-is-not-parallelism

in
f******2
发帖数: 2455
13
Faint, 一不小心我老逆行了。。。
啥叫 scale out这事儿搞multicore的说我这个叫,你们搞 ilp的不是
搞互联网堆机器的说我们mpp集群叫,说你们搞smp的不叫
多读书少judge人是老祖宗的美德,很多人来美国后就忘了
f********x
发帖数: 99
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Batch is a special case of streaming
Posted on September 15, 2015 by Kostas Tzoumas
In recent blog posts, we introduced what we deem as requirements for systems
to classify as stream processors, and followed up with a detailed
comparison of current approaches to data streaming, including extensive
experiments comparing Apache Flink and Apache Storm.
We are not the only ones to make the point that streaming systems are
reaching a point of maturity which makes older batch systems and
architectures... 阅读全帖
r*****i
发帖数: 117
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来自主题: Biology版 - 某KO小鼠表型分析求助-有图片
thank you for your suggestions.
Differentiation of myeloid progenitor into monocyte/osteoblast/osteoclast
could be influenced. We have litter evidence for it, but not enough.
We found there is more osteoclast in KO mice compared to WT ctl at the same
age. and bone density is less compared to control mice.
As for your suggestion: Meyloid progenitor 分化成monocyte/osteoblast/
osteoclast那一类细胞的分化通路受到影响了么.
How can we check it?
Here is my plan: check MPP, CMP, MEP, GMP and monocyte number for KO and
cont... 阅读全帖
z*t
发帖数: 863
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来自主题: Biology版 - 某KO小鼠表型分析求助-有图片
不仅要做cmp/mep/gmp lt-hsc/st-hsc/mpp staining,还要有完整的lineage analysis:
erythroid: ter119/cd71, myeloid: Gr1, mac1, B cell lineage: CD19, B220 T
cell lineage: CD4,CD8。这些外周血、骨髓,spleen都做一下.对于block of
differentiation,主要还是FACS和giemsa-wright stain来确定。
还有为了排除microenvironment的影响,还要把KO mice的bm移植给wt mice。至于
osteoclast,最近认为lymphnoid progenitor会呆在osteoblast旁边,并受cxcl12调控
。去年的ASH也有人在osteoblast overexpress beta-catenin可以导致leukemia的

same
M****7
发帖数: 13407
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来自主题: Business版 - CMU的MSPPM~~
MSPPM很少给至少TUITION WAIVER及以上的奖的, 我听过的几个基本都是一个QUARTER/
SEMESTER给个几千$的, 所以假设你是基本全自费来念书的, 没身份的老中. 念个PP方
面的没啥很大的意思.
public policy方面进consulting最好的学校基本就是Princeton的MPA和Kennedy
School@Harvard, 不过Harvard这几年没啥WE, 没身份的老中学生的placement也不怎么
样了, 原因是扩招了太多, 我知道的几个反正在美国是没找到工作, 回国怎么样不了解
. Princeton的几个都爱找国际组织. MPP@Berkeley几个没WE的老中在美国找的工作还
算可以, IPS@Stanford没WE没身份的老中学生的placement不怎么样. 具体的HEIZ就不
是很了解, 你最好去HEIZ问问以前的老中学生.
a****a
发帖数: 389
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来自主题: Chemistry版 - anything similar with MPP from Agilent
Agilent has "mass profiler professional", to analyze groups of data and tell
the differences, or even do some identification after that. Does anyone
know that if Waters has similar software do to the job?
Thank you very much!
mn
发帖数: 46
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Thanks.
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in the way that analytical software is developed and deployed. SAS is
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T******Q
发帖数: 207
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A Call for Establishing "Public Affairs" Forum
Dear all:
We, Masters of Public Affairs and Professors of Public Administration /
Public Policy, are seeking your support and endorsement to start a new forum
(chapter) for Public Administration and Public Policy (or collectively
named "public affairs" ). As you may know that MPA/MPP/MPAff. program is
counterpart in public sector of MBA program and has a history of over 70
years. The combination of political science, management science, and
economic
d***e
发帖数: 415
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来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - 请教Kzeng师哥!
Yes! :)
我要学MPP,学校要求有political science的基本常识,可是在本科时好像还真没有系统
学过(I'm not from your department)。sign……
IR和PS应该不一样吧 :)呵呵,真无知啊,我!

know
so
c*******s
发帖数: 163
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来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - 有没有学公共行政学的
If you want to work for some internatinoal organizations, then pursuing a MPP
might help, but it really depends on your interests. For example, social
policy or economic policy? Do you want to be an egg-head or be a practitioner?
If you want to be a politian in China, then you should probably go back to
find a job in the government as opposed to pursue a different field, IMHO.







c********y
发帖数: 98
23
来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - Re: policy analyst 究竟是怎样的角色?
In the US, policy analysts (often MPPs) can be found at all levels of
governments and all sorts of government departments. This is not true in China
of course. But Chinese governments do have policy research offices (zhengce
yanjiu shi) from municipal level on, although I'm not sure how (or if) they
do real policy analysis. Chinese ministries have research arms as well.
As for political scientiests-->policy analysts, it seems in the US they are
mostly housed in think tanks, and often times they
x*****y
发帖数: 9
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来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - MPA/MPP career
Masters in Public Administration/Policy 毕业后一般都在哪工作? 能否给点建议? 多
谢!
w***t
发帖数: 404
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来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - MPA/MPP career
westernford 最有发言权. 暂时请看精华区的"案例分析", 里面有前面人的讨论.

s*******s
发帖数: 28
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来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - 读MPA好找工作吗?
这个坑这么久了还有人提上来讨论啊?回头翻我在版上贴过的招聘广告,一般都是要
MPA/MPP背景。那个广告是招北京的职位,但美国总部要求也差不多,有中国人做一样
level的position。
v*******d
发帖数: 1
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国内本科学的public affair management,想申请美国的公共管理学院的master,主要
考虑以上三个专业:international relation,international affairs,public policy
(social policy)。Ir和ia两个专业我一直分不大清楚,IR一般是在政治学院下我知道
而比较奇怪的是有的学校ia在公共管理学院下,有的在政治学院下
哪个专业更好找工作一些呢?...我不想读phd...还有一个专业叫internaional
develpment,学的都是做ngo的东西,这个专业怎么样呢?有没有了解的人~
另外
看了很多关于mpa、mpp就业问题的帖子后被打击的心凉了一大截...
事实真的是这样的么...mpa的国际学生找不到工作云云
期待各位解答~
T******Q
发帖数: 207
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来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - A Call for Establishing "Public Affairs" Forum
A Call for Establishing "Public Affairs" Forum
Dear all:
We, Masters of Public Affairs and Professors of Public Administration /
Public Policy, are seeking your support and endorsement to start a new forum
(chapter) for Public Administration and Public Policy (or collectively
named "public affairs" ). As you may know that MPA/MPP/MPAff. program is
counterpart in public sector of MBA program and has a history of over 70
years. The combination of political science, management science, and
economic
j********e
发帖数: 1
29
来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - 政治学graduate school之后的就业前景
我念的PhD,但是对同学院的MPA和MPP有点了解,中国人读这两个很多,也比较好申请
,一般不大可能有奖学金,而且找起intern来,很多州里和联邦政府都要US citizen,
不是很方便,就业的时候也会是一个软肋。当然如果是学术和研究性质的intern一般限
制比较少,但是机会也相对少,至少我们同学中情况是这样
不知道自己做不做的了学术的话,就先读个poli sci或者PA的MA,然后再做进一步打算
,要说的是从Poli Sci转PA或者PP都还是比较容易的,反过来我就不是很了解了
g*********m
发帖数: 434
30
来自主题: PoliticalScience版 - 转载:MPP申请总结(北大未名)
What a long article....
f*******n
发帖数: 588
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【 以下文字转载自 PoliticalScience 讨论区 】
【 原文由 complexity 所发表 】
In the US, policy analysts (often MPPs) can be found at all levels of
governments and all sorts of government departments. This is not true in China
of course. But Chinese governments do have policy research offices (zhengce
yanjiu shi) from municipal level on, although I'm not sure how (or if) they
do real policy analysis. Chinese ministries have research arms as well.
As for political scientiests-->policy analysts, it seems in the US they
T******Q
发帖数: 207
32
A Call for Establishing "Public Affairs" Forum
Dear all:
We, Masters of Public Affairs and Professors of Public Administration /
Public Policy, are seeking your support and endorsement to start a new forum
(chapter) for Public Administration and Public Policy (or collectively
named "public affairs" ). As you may know that MPA/MPP/MPAff. program is
counterpart in public sector of MBA program and has a history of over 70
years. The combination of political science, management science, and
economic
o****o
发帖数: 8077
33
【 以下文字转载自 Computation 讨论区 】
发信人: mn (照澜院院士), 信区: Computation
标 题: High Performance Computing software engineer wanted @ Cary NC
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Jan 13 15:30:27 2012, 美东)
If you're interested in working for SAS, #1 best place to work. PM me.
Thanks.
===
Job Description
Software Developer-11003071
Description
Join the world's leading statistical software company and make a difference
in the way that analytical software is developed and deployed. SAS is
expanding its software for high-performa... 阅读全帖
S******y
发帖数: 1123
34
> 2) distributed application service architecture
==> Massively Parallel Processing (MPP), Hadoop
> 3) computational large-scale linear, nonlinear and mixed-integer
programming
==> large-scale optimization
Just my guesses :-)
Good luck!
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optimization,
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T******Q
发帖数: 207
35
A Call for Establishing "Public Affairs" Forum
Dear all:
We, Masters of Public Affairs and Professors of Public Administration /
Public Policy, are seeking your support and endorsement to start a new forum
(chapter) for Public Administration and Public Policy (or collectively
named "public affairs" ). As you may know that MPA/MPP/MPAff. program is
counterpart in public sector of MBA program and has a history of over 70
years. The combination of political science, management science, and
economic
T******Q
发帖数: 207
36
A Call for Establishing "Public Affairs" Forum
Dear all:
We, Masters of Public Affairs and Professors of Public Administration /
Public Policy, are seeking your support and endorsement to start a new forum
(chapter) for Public Administration and Public Policy (or collectively
named "public affairs" ). As you may know that MPA/MPP/MPAff. program is
counterpart in public sector of MBA program and has a history of over 70
years. The combination of political science, management science, and
economic
T******Q
发帖数: 207
37
The Master of Public Policy (M.P.P.), one of several public policy degrees,
is a master's level professional degree that provides training in policy
analysis and program evaluation at public policy schools. The MPP program
places a focus on the systematic analysis of issues related to public policy
and the decision processes associated with them. This includes training in
the role of economic and political factors in public decision-making and
policy formulation; microeconomic analysis of policy
T******Q
发帖数: 207
38
A Call for Establishing "Public Affairs" Forum
Dear all:
We, Masters of Public Affairs and Professors of Public Administration /
Public Policy, are seeking your support and endorsement to start a new forum
(chapter) for Public Administration and Public Policy (or collectively
named "public affairs" ). As you may know that MPA/MPP/MPAff. program is
counterpart in public sector of MBA program and has a history of over 70
years. The combination of political science, management science, and
economic
k***g
发帖数: 7244
39
通常会有人在 政治学 (politicalscience)版问关于 MPA/MPP/MIA 的问题。

Policy
P*********t
发帖数: 4451
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来自主题: _FifthAve版 - 10年等的就是你
MPP, MZX
w*******y
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http://oldnavy.gap.com/browse/mpp.do?promoid=194238&promorefid=194238&promotype=mup
20% off Coupon:
ONSAVE20
Here's the ... 阅读全帖
w*******y
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ThinkPad EDGE 14 - Super-compact laptop
Plus FREE shipping - Ships within 12 business days

List Price: $1,259.00
Sale: $618.24
With eCoupon: [FINALFOUR] $556.42
Intel Core i5-480M Processor (2.66GHz, 3MB L3, 1066MHz FSB)
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
14.0" HD (1366x768) Vibrant View, Midnight Black Smooth
Integrated Mobile Intel 5 Series GFX Chipsets
4 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
UltraNav without fingerprint reader
500 GB Hard Di... 阅读全帖
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Link:
http://shoplenovo.i2.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/mpp/StdAffini
Processor1
Intel Core i3-2310M Processor (2.10GHz, 3MB L3)
Operating system12
Genuine Windows 7 Home Premium 64
Display type
14.0" W HD (1366x768), AntiGlare, Midnight Black
Total memory
4 GB PC3-10600 DDR3 SDRAM 1333MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)
Hard Drive4
500 GB Hard Disk Drive, 7200rpm
w*******y
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I think this may be a pricing mistake as they included the monitor for free
in this build where they do not normally do this. Dont call and ask....Buy
now before its too late.
Link:
http://configure.us.dell.com/dellstore/config.aspx?oc=dxdwmn3&c
or this link
Link:
http://www.dell.com/us/eep/p/popular-desktop-deals
If the link doesnt work, go to the dell.com homepage and click down to
Student/Employee Purchase Program, then click employee, then desktop deals,
then finally the XPS8300 desktop wit... 阅读全帖
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Thanks.
set as following for my first questions.
Physical Interfaces--〉PHONE-->OutboundCallRoute
{([1-9]x?*(Mpli)):pp},{(<#:>):li},{911:sp2},{**0:aa},{***:aa2},{(<**1:>(Msp1
)):sp1}, {(<**2:>(Msp2)):sp2},{(<**8:>(Mli)):li},{(<**9:>(Mpp)):pp},{(Mpli):
pli}
Service Providers-->ITSP Profile A General-->DigitMap
(1xxxxxxxxxx|<1520>[2-9]xxxxxx|<1>[2-9]xxxxxxxxx|<0:**201186>1[02-9]xx.| <0:
**201186>[2-9]xx.|011xx.|<00:011>xx.|xx.|(Mipd)|[^*]@@.)
And it works great.
f*********e
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来自主题: _voip版 - obi设置请教
个人感觉这个dialplan有点不必要的过于复杂化了。
不知道为什么这么搞。
实际上我感觉只要一个模式,服务,in/out就足够了。比如:
010xxxxxxxxx{li,out}|**9xxxxxxxx{mpp,out}......简单明了。
现在又要搞digimap,又要搞plan。太乱了。
y******g
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好文章!
a. 如果国内obi110接了市话,是不是如下改法可以直接用市话拨打而不需要国外的
nonoh?
----------------
1. 国内的obi盒子:
…………
Physical Interfaces --> PHONE --> OutboundCallRoute -->
{**0:aa},{***:aa2},{(<**9:>(Mpp)):pp},{(<2*>(Mloc)):li},{(<2*>(Mchn)):pp},{(
<2*>(Mna)):pp}
b. 你的国外obi设置似乎不能区分北美11位号码和国内市话手机?
---------------------
Map1: -- 北美
Label --> na
DigitMap --> ([2-9]xxxxxxxxx|1[2-9]xxxxxxxxx)
Label --> loc
DigitMap --> (<01186abc>[1-9]xxxxxx|<01186>1[2-9]xxxxxxxxx)
y******g
发帖数: 120
48
好文章!
a. 如果国内obi110接了市话,是不是如下改法可以直接用市话拨打而不需要国外的
nonoh?
----------------
1. 国内的obi盒子:
…………
Physical Interfaces --> PHONE --> OutboundCallRoute -->
{**0:aa},{***:aa2},{(<**9:>(Mpp)):pp},{(<2*>(Mloc)):li},{(<2*>(Mchn)):pp},{(
<2*>(Mna)):pp}
b. 你的国外obi设置似乎不能区分北美11位号码和国内市话手机?
---------------------
Map1: -- 北美
Label --> na
DigitMap --> ([2-9]xxxxxxxxx|1[2-9]xxxxxxxxx)
Label --> loc
DigitMap --> (<01186abc>[1-9]xxxxxx|<01186>1[2-9]xxxxxxxxx)
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