K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 1 打到拍框上，球仍然不出界的唯一方法，就是使用box frame （横截面是矩形），
例如BLX90, POG，以及绝大多数thin beam的老拍。
圆边的拍框，mishit后十有八九要乱飞。 |
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v***s
发帖数: 1893 | 2 看成mi-shit
我一半网前mishit都是winner啊，搞得我都怀疑FF的网前神仙球的水分。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 3 右脚是早了些，特别是对driver, 我昨天去练习场试了一下，对topping的mishit改进
了不少 （不是完全的topping, 而是如果我Mishit的话，击在球上部的可能性，想在几
个月前我swing感觉最好时， 我的mishit也多是hit thin, 球依然是直的，就是
trajectory低）。
我不做wiggle.. 不是没个人都做wiggle， 当然也有很多人做。我一般是从球后做2下
preshot routine,然后移到球前就击出去了。
也许可以考虑做做，特别是现在正在练习hinge wrist时。
最后那个，说实话，每人能都是一个节奏，有些时候，特别是tough lie& strong wind
时，人自然都有个tendency， 更何况有时练习也很high时。 KJ Choi 牛逼之处就是在
， 我眼里，无论何时何地，都是一节奏。
不过我常提醒自己的句话是： if you want to hit a good one, hit it easy.. 这对
我在一些tough hole/tough lie 很有用处，这也是我在Roy Kizer #11 （球场上 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 4 要不mishit, 偶必须用oversize. 要2小时不累，偶必须用10.5 oz以下。
现实生活中偶用mid 85, 平均每5-10下mis hit一下，但是由于拍子power
小，又是box beam, mishit出界次数很少，下网次数也可以接受。差不多
每3次mishit一个UE把。同时拉底线很少超过半小时，而且几乎从不一直
暴力拉，所以体力应该也能撑住。 |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 5 when? the days we played toghether? no. i hit your driver which is so much
different from mine. also, the mishit I made were all slice.
i hit straight, or fade if i mishit... lol.. |
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 6 Maybe the days you hit your I5, next time I will videotape your swing as
evidence.
Mishit? I remembered you told me you never mishit. haha.
much |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 7 co-thinking letting driver alone, before getting it straight
assume average 2.5 putts and short chip
20% mishit for long iron/5wood around 200 yard
10% mishit for short iron around 130 yard, 30-50 yard pitch
break 100 at 7445 yard Augusta National!!!
, |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 8 i missed #18 hole "Holy" in previous post, actually in order to break 100 at
PGA event standard course, the level of play has to be higher. here is the
estimate:
bogey on par3, only 4 holes;
15% mishit for shot around 200 yard, long iron, or 5 woods (from rough);
10% mishit for shot around 130, short iron; and 40,50 yard pitch shot;
average 2.5 putt or short chip on par4 and par5;
average 2 putt or short chip on par3;
disclaimer: this is solely study on paper, to find some connection between
our |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 9 golf 七年 不是说可以逐年进步的。那退步是常有的。
应该说时常破白都不容易，看运动技术天赋和追求低分的投入程度。
想想ob 得+2 原地retee, 不能用mulligan.
我最近带新设被 去 early bird 那个aff +2 的back nine.
<40F, fairway 都是霜冻， 果岭都是露水， 没flag, 蒙则果岭中心打。
9 洞 driver 就有4 OB( 有一两个有可能算lateral hazard, 没看清是white/red 界标), 有几个GIR +1 close to pin, 露水沾球， 3putts.
没积分，心想没flag, 有这condition, 没必要. 不知道这种想法导致mental 松懈。
积分的话估计100+。 就是想赶快走完3200吗后上班。结果 1：20 - 1：30 结束。
iron 确实进步，得益于好的iron set， 3/4/5 iron全用上了， 还是比较随意的打击(
最多一个rehersal swing), iron mishit 就1-2 个。可能是iron play 最好的course
play in te... 阅读全帖 |
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w********u
发帖数: 1865 | 10 这个拍震不是来自mishit，我用球拍拍球，即使是在sweetspot上也会感觉到拍震，但
是会小很多。不过击球的时候影响倒不大，很少会mishit，控制还是很舒服的。
much.
you |
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s*********4
发帖数: 3362 | 11
正好问一下，mishit.我是半西方式握拍。
有时比赛中，当特别想发力击球就会mishit,打到拍框上。
怎么改正。
原因应该是拍面太封闭了吧。 |
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 12 拍面这玩意其实就是心理作用,88跟90就差2,90跟93就差3,93跟95就差2...我用KPS88基
本上没有mishit,但90 mishit就多了,可能跟打法有关,用90时拼命想刷topspin,用88时
拼命想kill...
至于重量,88与90的确差不少,我现在拿回90,简直就觉得是拿10 oz的拍子一样.你这在
店里挥根本不准,最好打场1.5小时的match就知道了... |
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 13 话说昨天德国那小子打得确实烂。fed自己打的其实也不咋样。
mishit无数，只不过不少mishit也进场了，所以没算ue。
而且昨天fed球打得都好高啊。。。不知道是不是想跟nadal学。。。 |
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 14 我就是觉得自己的control还不够呀，即使上71 lb还是拍拍出界 :(
对我来说，PS85打得最准，mishit最少，什么KPS88,K90,即使APDG都有不少mishit... |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 15 他看出了老三的overhead最大毛病是动作太夸张，像发球，导致没时间挥拍。
偶回去对墙试了一下，好象这个也是偶最大毛病。把持拍手抬高后，偶的mishit
率从67%暴跌到了33%.
当然，正式比赛又是另一回事，偶的mishit率还接近100%，下次有机会试试新动作。 |
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 16 早期就不说了，回来打网球是2009年下半年，现在一打三年多。
1 K6.1 95 18X20 各种sync gut 12.2oz 6个月
作为初学者（球感和初学者差不多）经常mishit off center球，没有得网球肘，网球
腕，主要是用这个拍子和syn gut的线。作为初学者，相比其他初学者，击球速度很快
，平击多（曾经多年前学过写正手平击），上璇少，动作比较协调，full swing。打上
的很多winner。发球平击发球，对于初学者动作比较标准，偶尔感觉不错时候能ace 3.
0-3.5的女油条，不过DF太多太多。不会网前技术，也没有觉得需要。
这个拍子好处是有很好的球feed back，作为新手，我打完球就基本能知道球落在哪里
，出不出界等等。控制也很好。同时重拍子迫使我不用手腕和用全身力，full swing，
所以比较容易做出符合规范的动作。最后就是能很好地吸收mishit的震荡，没有带来运
动伤害。（我球友很多是男性，一直面对力量pace比较大的来球）
2 K tour pro 16X19 pro hurricane tour 17 3，4个月 11.8oz
换这个... 阅读全帖 |
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 17 早期就不说了，回来打网球是2009年下半年，现在一打三年多。
1 K6.1 95 18X20 各种sync gut 12.2oz 6个月
作为初学者（球感和初学者差不多）经常mishit off center球，没有得网球肘，网球
腕，主要是用这个拍子和syn gut的线。作为初学者，相比其他初学者，击球速度很快
，平击多（曾经多年前学过写正手平击），上璇少，动作比较协调，full swing。打上
的很多winner。发球平击发球，对于初学者动作比较标准，偶尔感觉不错时候能ace 3.
0-3.5的女油条，不过DF太多太多。不会网前技术，也没有觉得需要。
这个拍子好处是有很好的球feed back，作为新手，我打完球就基本能知道球落在哪里
，出不出界等等。控制也很好。同时重拍子迫使我不用手腕和用全身力，full swing，
所以比较容易做出符合规范的动作。最后就是能很好地吸收mishit的震荡，没有带来运
动伤害。（我球友很多是男性，一直面对力量pace比较大的来球）
2 K tour pro 16X19 pro hurricane tour 17 3，4个月 11.8oz
换这个... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 18 你的问题一向是方向+落点控制不行。而打老头这两点最关键，所以你和他打
就是一个很糟糕的matchup.
你的回球非常predictable，这个正是老头喜欢的。打用大力拍的老头，靠
球速或者topspin overpower是非常累的，远比dropshot + lob，或者连续
左右调动累得多。你要充分利用你跑得比他快的优势，来弥补技术上的劣势。
要培养variety，让他找不到节奏，并且也没法预判。你的不少mishit都
直接winner了；要争取让这些成为非mishit，而是intentional的shots. |
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 19 不知道为什么，那种相对平的高球(坠落角度小于45度，有点像moonball)我overhead特
别容易mishit或打在拍框上， 相对比较垂直的高球(大于45度角坠落)我只要步伐勤快
一般不会mishit 。不知道这是什么技术原因？ |
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l******a
发帖数: 3803 | 20 Seriously, I kind of feel zero is queen and mishit is king. |
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b*****z
发帖数: 757 | 21 这个zymax62奇怪得很，有时候刚上没多久一个mishit就断，有时候一两个月到处都起
毛了也不断。
不过细线确实是爽。耐用性也还凑合了。 |
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W*N
发帖数: 1354 | 22 that is very true, good shuttles will not last long if u mishit. |
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d**********i
发帖数: 365 | 23 Be cautious man..... try not push yourself too much or you will get hurt.
Also try to play in a patient manner in games for every hit.Not only because
in this way you reduce the risk getting hurt also because it is not
necessary that you can win the points by harder hit or highly difficult
skill. but on the contrary the harder you play the easier your commit a
fault or a mishit that will directly lead to a lost of a rally.
articular |
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i***e
发帖数: 127 | 24 我去年从他们网站上买的就是绿色的球标，你们不说，我倒没注意，才发现他们网上的
是黄色的球标。我买的和这个哥们贴的一样 ： http://badminton.rayvinly.com/youhe-s100-review/
我的感受：
1.球头不错，没有变形的情况，没有减速的情况，这是我主要的原因现在不用黑航空
2.毛片还可以，感觉有点硬，没有黑航空的有韧性，相对容易断，尤其是mishit的情况
下，不过总的来说还很耐打，基本一个双打game没问题。
3.球速偏快，和yonex的快还不太一样，这个是感觉比较重，yy的是比较轻，还快。我
上次买的是76的，我在湾区。拉后场什么的还可以，就是接杀，平抽。比较容易出界。
我刚买了一箱75的，明天试试看。
总的来说，性价比算是不错的了。可惜了黑航空，非要换个破三拼的球头，浪费了那么
多好的鹅毛：） |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 25 by the way, there is nothing wrong with the flat plane. just keep in mind
the upper body turn needs more time for the flat plane, just cooridnate it
with your hip rotation. otherwise, u'll push/slice balls if u mishit.
my |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 26 for the 2nd paragraph of your statement, i would say it's what I understood
in the 2 years ago..i even taught some friends that they could break 90s by
just swinging by hip rotation, with upbody/arm following.
now I would say, it won't make the swing consistent either. the typical
mishit would be push , push slice.
look closely some swing motion of tour players, focus on the contact moment,
and look at the right forearm muscle, you'll see , it does need the power
from forearm to hit further, and |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 27 i5, it's back to last Oct, sometimes around that?
i dont' think i hit draw when i used ur mp-33. yah, i never mishit, when
using my driver. lol.. |
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j******e
发帖数: 1424 | 28 本来想买MP60，后来上了一套8成新的MP30
一趟range下来， 我就不想再碰打了2年的 X-18ps了
个人感觉mizuno mp30打得远10-15yard； 打到sweetspot的感觉很甜蜜
mishit有点儿harsh。外观上看起来callaway 好看多了 （callaway 感觉太胖）
MP30比MP60打起来差别不大， 飞的稍低，关键是价格便宜很多 ：）
周末上course看看实战效果 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 29 you talking about hitting 200 yards using 6iron or less?
using woods, 200 yards is no a problem. however, for beginners (at least me)
, percentage of woods mishit is quite high.
for a while, i asked the same question, and tried hard for 200 yards. now i
feel pain in right elbow . I thought chipping or pitching is okay, but pain
does not go away. Remove golf bag from my car, shutdown playing or practice
entirely.
Here are some articles I found
sergio garcia long iron
http://www.golf.com/golf/ |
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 30 got it.
but, actually, i have a question about those intentionally draw (or fade)
say you align your body, and set up for a draw, what if you miss hit?
i mean, would it be totally get your ball out of bounce?
or, at the level of worrying draw or fade, ppl no longer worry about mishit?
type |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 31 no. at the competition level, it's like 0.001% chance they will mishit it.
Even for me, I only mis-hit once almost in the past 2 years. the mis-hit I
mean here is like I totally topped the ball, and the ball didn't get up to
the air at all.
Like us, pros didn't hit their sweet-spot all the time either.
so here is how I understand his concept.
1) fade-style setup (stance)
2) draw-style swing path
the 2 leads to a shallow attack angle.
here is a story my friend Brian told me. He went to several Fl |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 32 to carry 3wood to 240yard (220m) and driver to 262yards(240m)?
went driving range 5:30p after work. started with hitting driver first with
first 10-20 shots. only 1 mishit and limited number of severe slice. then
hit 3-woods on mattress, good. then start hit from the uncut shallow grass
ahead of the mattress, bad shots (fat and short, slice, turf roll) started
to come for both woods and long iron.
land 3iron shot to 200yard flag again a couple of times. feel that have to
commit to each shot, oth |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 33 9*N with 55g adilda arrive today. tested at range. no signicant distance
gain. most in 200-234 yard range. carry to 234 yeard fence if saw clearly
very very few.
aff you are right, even routine 230yard driving is not bad at all. glance
around, didn't see anybody hit longer than me today.
the 15* 3wood is very easy to hit, very very few mishit, and distance is
about same as driver. the trojectory is about right. maybe i will give up
13* and stay with 15*.
hit about 50 shots with 3wood and driv |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 34 store staff called and picked up yesterday. the store staff told me that i get another
90 days guarantee, i was amazed by their service.... hope R9 price drop, so
i can get R9 small head, or tour prefered version in 3 month....
tried several balls at range, left shoulder a bit sour, so didn't use more
force ----------one straight, 4 gentle fade, 1 mishit, 1 slice (thinking hit
it long, guess swing a bit too hard).
feel that Taylormade grip is way better than Callaway clubs... soft and
feely... |
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 35 167..顶风。。别人都用6 iron
我这不是判断错风向了嘛。
之前的第11洞，算是球场最难的，我那顺风顺地势的draw 打的那个美呀（mishit), 用
6 iron再hook出一个208码。
要想增加distance, hook the ball.. |
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p****4
发帖数: 517 | 36 Thanks for the info. I will be working on release recently and have gained
some distance.
For the driver, I do not mishit too much but sometimes, I do slice a little
bit, which caused loss of distance. In the past couple of months, I have
been trying to lower the trajectory of the drive. I tend to hit high and put
too much backspin on the ball.
toe often, heel often) |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 37 "If the middle bottom of the clubhead is on the ground then the lie of the
club is perfect. "
my intuition about "lie" is right. heel on ground will easily leads to
mishit. a bit fat, the the heel hit ground before ball, the club face will
be close shut. leads to block to left or hook to the left.
"If the toe of the club is pointing up in the air and the heel of the club
is on the ground then this means that your current lie is too upright and
needs to be made flatter.
If the heel of the club |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 38 a good player, using max game improvement, can still play well, can't he?
so even he improves his swing, he can still use "game improvement" type equipment.
anybody tried both types ?
TM burner iron is MAX game improvement type (most forgiving),
while MP-5x is for better player (supposedly suitable for working the ball,
but not forgiving if you mishit offer Sweet spot)
golf magazine categoriztion:
better player iron |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 39 now i feel that 3H and 3iron are very mental, because of the burden of
supposed distance.
you are suppose to hit 3H or 3iron the longest (behind FW and driver).
this is a bad idea, often led to over swing or mishit.
from my comparison at range, 3H is a bit shorter than 5 WOOd.
since 5wood is the shorted club among (5w, 3w,driver), so you feel more at
ease, dont you.
for TM burner rescue, i figure you have to get Tour Preferred version.
taylormade superfast reax shaft may be not very good, al |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 40 practice frquently, but reduce the time each session。 这样总时间不变甚至减
少。
pratice as if it is course play
重点两项目：
1)driver
2)around green (pitching, chipping putting
iron, hybrid, fw 少量穿插在driver 中。
一段时间下来， driver mishit 明显减少了, driver 开始打出 极个别的300- 310。
300 -310 driver 的ball flight 还是有些特点， 就是高飞元 还有好的landing
angle, 能滚动20-30 吗。 carry 过260 270 的话， 如果是天空背景， 就是那种打得球从视野消失的光景。球的最高点（apex) 较为居中， 靠落点一些。
driver 的距离稳定真的很难， 或则说每次都打出接近potential 很难。 同时也可以
感觉到short game 的波动。 每次注意力集中程度波动， putting stoke 的不稳定不
确定， 对green... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 41 打golf刚开始特别在乎距离，打多了就淡化了。 一场球稳定的挥杆乐趣跟多， 距离短
一点问题都不大。
长干的距离对大多读amateur 都是个未知数， 如果你把mishit, shank都包括在内的话
。这样我的driver, 0 - 310. 因为稳定性不够好， 我现在拿起driver 都有些紧张。
其实为了多年长时间打， 为了身体的回复，和first tee warm up, 以及fairway 的难度， 需要变换power, 有时轻打求准, 有时80-90% of max out。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 42 it is quite a talent to be so good at long clubs, which most amateurs suck a
lot.
as for short game, i guess yours is not bad considering bridges, callippe
green are very slope, tricky and large. plus play in a hurry sometimes, and
talk to partners sometimes. i woudn't beat myself up for lack of super short games.
when play for money, i guess longer is better. that's why pro all play those
long ass par4 as we play it as par5. for golfers struggle with swing at
times, shorter course is more hel... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 43 是最近 注意到以前太快了。 对short game帮助大。 full swing 也可减少mishit.
如果100 shots 用1:20, 步行 6500 yard 加上 green to next tee 50yard per
hole,
7500 yard, 用 1：30, 2.9mph 的速度， 也就 2:50 a round.
4 some, 100 shots 1:20 + 18*3*0.8min(tee off) + 36*3*0.5min(2 putts) =
1:20+ 0:43 + :54 = 2:57
total = 4:17 a round
4:30+ plus a round 估计主要是等别人 (group one hole before) 花时间。
还是得找人少的时候去打。 我现在就望着 bad weather, off season 的到来。 。。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 44 以前youtube 上看canadian top teacher shawn clement， 觉得他把swing physics
分析的头头是道。
但是就是应用不上。 还是得靠自己的感觉和摸索, 看ball flight 反馈。
还是那些tour player 和某些top teacher 的tips, 有些试一试觉得有帮助。
我tend to over swing, 最近看Top 100 Teacher Brady Riggs demonstrates how
to stop overswings on the tee that can cause mishits.觉得有些帮助。 还有
quiros 说的maintain consistent body tension, 也帮助。 因为overswing 的时
候， at top of back swing, 身体会过于紧张（too much tension)。
有些tip 就不好用， 比如说big shoulder turn for more power.
身体柔韧性不好， 追求big turn容易造成身体过于紧张。反而影响po... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 45 yet to play "ranch". bridges has rating 73.4/141 from blue T.
swing 好些的时候也不是那么可怕。 forced carry 最多200.
i checked my score card again, lost 9 balls. driver OB lost 4 balls at 2
holes( 1 hole drop with partner after 2 OB, 1 hole 3rd tee shot in bound).
driver into lateral hazard 1 ball. iron lost 3 balls ( mishit into hazard
fail to carry). wedge lost 1 ball shank into lateral hazard.
at that time i was not playing for score. otherwise could further reduce
lost ball count.
all in all, play this... 阅读全帖 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 46 在场上打出3wood 240-250那真是职业水平！我的3wood 表现之差，以至于现在包里都
没有3wood。
你的tip 挺管用。 今天我脑子清醒一些。 我的driver 动作有几个error tendancies
，因driver club 长， swing plane flatter, 比较容易陷入。 就范时， 如果脑子不
清醒或有时候只强调一点的时候意识不到， 改不过来。
今天driver打出了一个 ~= 270 meter. 只有一个mishit底肥地滚100 yard. 其他都在
200 以上。
陷入low hook 时候， 经常 150-160.今天一个这样的球都没有。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 47 pro 打球挣钱， 我们打球在破场地还的自己掏钱。
很多时候只是玩玩, 玩还有用得了那么认真？ 哪怕是达到 break 80, single digit
也赢不了city/club championship. 进不了q-school.
有一个pro/amateur 分水岭， pro 那边是良性cycle, am 这边是恶性cycle. 跟人一起
打还好些， 一个人打的时候， 就问， 打的好有怎样？ 的抓紧时间啊， 于是就当作
walking 健身了，没有太多的mishit 就满足了。
不过我还是想有空的时候认真打一两场黑 Tee, 看一下潜力。
我数了一下tiger 的practice swing， 有时候多达 7-8个。zach 就更多一些了。
tiger swing 有人用camera 还烦， 我要是有人拍， 我一点不觉得打扰。
zach 就叫photographer 移动了。 |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 48 you definitely have talent with ball striking. know error is first step, fix
it is another story.
现在觉得driver 都还好对付一些。
3wood mishit 对我来说简直是cancer tumor。
Check your ball flights, you would know where went wrong with your swing. |
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v*****r
发帖数: 2325 | 49 我的3wood快练成了。 最近几次 range session 都比较直，距离也比较满意， 没有
mishit 或offline too much。 木杆的confidence 靠积累高百分比的好球。尽量每次
都一样的routine 和swing thought 和 feeling。
johnny miller GCA practice swing brush grass 用在3wood 上效果好， 帮助明确
swing arc low point, get feel for the ground. 另外一个容易陷入的误区是 想远
距离下意识导致动作变形。
driver 有时候太强调downswing arm connected to chest, 又开始打出fade/slice.
iron 仍然solid, 190 - 200的approach 都觉得比较轻松。
当然range 上比场上容易一些，都是level ground。 场上的难点多一些， 有时候赶时
间， 或碰到slow play 影响性情， 没约人或没入组 一个人打 2-4 小时觉得没劲。
就这样保持了， 期待明年 场上收... 阅读全帖 |
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p****4
发帖数: 517 | 50 今天下班路过ROGER DUNNS，进去试试铁杆。拿了一套710MB的5和8（DS300)，对比我现
在使的AP2(x5.0 FLIGHTED).
每杆各打了七，八球。结果8铁MB比AP2远3-4YARDS.5铁MB比AP2远11-13YARDS。
以前在店里打也有类似结果。思量着是否要弄套MB玩玩。
MB确实难打一些。规范地挥杆我可以找到甜点。想玩控球MISHIT就多了。 |
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